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February 07, 2012

The Western Logic Of Intervention In Syria

1. China and Russia vetoed the recent western UN Security Council resolution because they feared that the west's intention, despite denials, was regime change in Syria by force.

The west has now decided to disprove their "disgusting" fears wrong by attempting regime change by force in Syria.

2. It is feared that a prolonged internal struggle in Syria could create problems in countries surrounding Syria.

The west must therefore act to intensify and prolong the struggle in Syria by destabilizing countries surrounding Syria.

3. The best way to better human rights in a multi-faith country ruled by a secular plutocracy is to weaponize those backward religious forces that will provide for the most savaging sectarian-dictatorial rule possible.

Posted by b on February 7, 2012 at 19:41 UTC | Permalink

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the Mainstream and even left media tends to ingnore these contradictions, as if they were paid to

Posted by: brian | Feb 7 2012 20:40 utc | 1

The Syrian civil war may well be the brain child of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, who want something in return for losing Iraq to the Shi'a. Libya obviously wasn't enough.

And they know that if they complain enough, Obama will give them more...and more...and more...

The Great Appeaser cannot set limits. So far the only limits have been imposed by Pakistan and by the US military, which was tired of Iraq and glad to be rid of it.

Posted by: JohnH | Feb 7 2012 20:41 utc | 2

I guess Syria is safe. There is this

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/07/us-china-oil-supplies-idUSTRE8161RG20120207

means oil prices will be way up for us, no?

and there is this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9067591/Syria-Turkey-plans-fresh-initiative.html

which sounds slightly different here
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-270688-turkey-plans-new-syria-initiative-after-un-fiasco.html

there is this
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-270766-azeri-and-iranian-gas-supply-failure-fuels-shortage-concerns.html
means Turkey has got a problem, it gets really cold there in winter ...


Posted by: somebody | Feb 7 2012 20:51 utc | 3

oh and there is also this
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/0,1518,813881,00.html

it is time western politicians stop to talk about human rights ...

Posted by: somebody | Feb 7 2012 20:52 utc | 4

Does anybody remember how Turkey attacked Kurds when the sought freedom.

Posted by: boindub | Feb 7 2012 21:06 utc | 5

yeah, I guess Syria will ask for Öcalan to be returned ...

Teheran Times is rubbing it in ..

http://tehrantimes.com/economy-and-business/95198-turkey-is-highly-dependent-on-irans-energy

Posted by: somebody | Feb 7 2012 21:35 utc | 6

what makes you think that the forces of opposition are necessarily "backwards religious force"? People who seem to know the situation better than you claim that there is a fairly broad nationalist consensus in the opposition schooled by a number of people who have spent many years in prison endeavoring to liberalize Syrian politics and civil society. Google "Riad Turk."

Oh fuck it. for you the Syrian opposition are dumbass Arabs. It fits in well with your general narrative that anybody who even accidentally acts in remote correspondence with what you seem to believe are "Empire" interests, are basically dumbass Arabs.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 8 2012 2:07 utc | 7

sort of interesting how Iraq's resistance was, according to you, secularizing pan-tribal nationalist insurgency that was deviously transmogrified by insidious US military genius into sectarian pre-modern tribal grouping barbarism.

And for you now, the Syrian insurgency is "backward religious forces" whose inuring stupidity is organized once again by the genius of US military planning and State Department propagandizing.

For you, stupid Arabs all around.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 8 2012 2:53 utc | 8

No, stupid US, or was Egypt planned this way?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_New_Beginning

The German wall fell, when Gorbachev made it clear, that he would no longer support its leadership, what do you think happens when the leader of an empire visits a client state, talks about democracy and does not mention the ruling dictator who governs in his name?

What would have happened had Obama made this speech in Riyad?

No, no I understand the clever plan was to get new friends by being likable, that is not real life though. People are realistic, they try to find out where the power is.

The US leaves a power vacuum in the Middle East different interests try to fill.

Posted by: somebody | Feb 8 2012 10:07 utc | 9

...and, and this is the best part; the resulting instability will justify our further intervention. It's like a great reset button. Smash the country and give it to Hoyle. If you don't like the results, smash again.

Posted by: scottindallas | Feb 8 2012 13:48 utc | 10

I just read about 'dead babies in incubators' in Homs. Which basically confirms all 'un-confirmed information' is pure unsubstantiated propaganda. Do they use it as a kind of signature? Propaganda and Disinformation Corp, since 1991 spreading pro-imperialist lies. Or something in that style.

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 8 2012 14:10 utc | 11

Please,the brainchild of the Saudis and Qatari's?Nah,it's strait from Tel Aviv,with muscle supplied by the idiots in Washington,a collection of ivy league poisonous toads.

Posted by: dahoit | Feb 8 2012 15:07 utc | 12

Way to go for the twofer, slobthrob: not only is b a conspiratorialist, he's also something of a bigot. BTW, I don't think you want to use "inure" the way you do.

Posted by: yes_but | Feb 8 2012 16:14 utc | 13

Interesting - though I can not second-source it yet.

This piece's dateline is 06/07/2011:

Zionists Chair Syrian Opposition Meeting in France

Key Zionist philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy; former French Minister of Foreign Affairs, and major advocate of the war against Iraq Bernard Kouchner; member of the youth movement in the Israeli right wing Likud party Frederick Ansel; and former Knesset member and Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak’s advisor Alex Goldfarb who was not questioned by anyone for claiming to be a Syrian opposition member and spokesman of “Democratic change in Syria” assembly; were basic participants in the Syrian opposition conference in Saint-Germain in France.
...
representative of the so called “Salvation Front” headed by former Syrian vice-president Abdul Halim Khaddam, Ashraf Al-Moqdad called for “urgent assistance of Western countries,” and defended the participation of racist Zionist figures saying: “We are ready to meet with anyone in order to stop the bloodshed in Syria. The Syrian regime had conducted negotiations with Israel directly and indirectly. Then why can't we meet with French officials who want to help the Syrian people? "

For his part, Zionist Journalist Bernard Henri-Levy called in a statement the Security Council to refer the Syrian regime to the international tribunal. While Bernard Kouchner went further by saying that the international community should intervene militarily in Syria.

"We went to Libya, and we feel great injustice for leaving the Syrians alone," he said, calling on "Arab spring" countries to end diplomatic relations with Syria.

So when was this regime change planned?

Posted by: b | Feb 8 2012 17:30 utc | 14

Local NYC metro area TV news last night reported that gas prices in the US are expected to go up sharply in the next 60 days and settle around $4.00/US gallon for the summer driving season. However, in large cities such as NYC, LA, and one I've forgotten, the price will probably get up to around $5.00/US gal.

This is not a good thing for Obama's reelection.

They guy does not seem to see very far ahead -- or else he's really lusting for a war with his very own name attached to it. Maybe he thinks being an "active war" president will lead to his reelection.

Uh, no, BO.

Posted by: jawbone | Feb 8 2012 17:42 utc | 15

The following post is rated: CD(TM) for 'critical discernment': Remember, CRITICAL DISCERNMENT IS REQUIRED. Assumptions and beliefs questioned Knowledge and awareness are recommended....

Beware of MEMRI...

But,

Fmr. Russian Joint Chiefs of Staff General Leonid Ivashov: Russia Is Ready to Use Military Power to Defend Iran and Syria

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 8 2012 17:57 utc | 16

b, 13..here is more about that conference.

The Conference, "solidarity with Syria" held yesterday evening in the cinema «San Germán», in the Latin quarter in Paris upon the invitation of the magazine «Rule of the game»» La règle du jeu, directed by French writer Bernard-Henri levy, attracted , a big crowd. The most effective part was the impressive testinomies written by a group of Deraa children and youth about operations of oppression and youth typed read by the film star Jane berkane and filmmaker Xavier bovwa of («human beings and God»). Although prominent Syrian opposition figures objected and called for a boycott (see Al-Akhbar number 1452), Henry levy opened the Conference by saying that this is the first gathering of its kind, that brings the Syrian opposition with all various spectrum, though at the end of the Conference, Levy apologized because many Syrian opposition figures attending the meeting, were unable to speak, claiming ... Limited time! The many fallacies Conference ceremony began with a video showing acts of suppression of demonstrators in Syria, and turned into a case against Arab nationalism as the root of dictatorship!, not only criticising the Syrian Baath party, but involving Gamal Abdel Nasser, claiming that unity with Egypt (not coups) eliminated the democracy in Syria, since the requirement of unity of Abdel Nasser had put an end to the parliamentary experience of pluralism in Syria! The same tape compared between repression of demonstrators in Syria with Nazi genocide. The comparison irritated zionist Bernard Shalsha, and the partner of Bernard Henri levy in organizing this Conference and activating it, the later apologized, saying it "you may not compare what is comparable»!. He added: «we regret this tape is not prepared by us , and the Organizing Committee bear on responsibility of what contained therein».

it is referenced as the “SOS SYRIE” Conference

Posted by: annie | Feb 8 2012 18:34 utc | 17

yes, qatar and s. arabia. not israel nor the israelis dominating the american govt.

more jokes coming.

Posted by: joe anon 1 | Feb 8 2012 18:42 utc | 18

FYI
MSNBC Headlines Story Given to them by A Phony and a Liar:”Rami Abdelrahman” Does Not Exist According to the SOHR

MSNBC is headlining a story this morning about the Syrian government “slaughtering” families in Homs (Group: Militia ‘slaughtered’ 3 families in Syria’s Homs) Their entire story is based on information given to them by a fictitious person inside the fraudulent organization the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR). According to MSNBC, the person who provided the details of this Assad government slaughter is “Rami Abdelrahman” of SOHR. The only problem is that Rami doesn’t exist. He never did exist. And the person writing under his name is a liar and a fraud and is making up bullshit stories. Who says that? The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says that
etc
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/msnbc-headlines-story-given-to-them-by-a-phony-and-a-liarrami-abdelrahman-does-not-exist-according-to-the-sohr/

Posted by: brian | Feb 8 2012 20:34 utc | 19

hmm. b, i posted another link to 13 earlier and it appears to be missing now. not sure what that's about.

Posted by: annie | Feb 8 2012 21:42 utc | 20

http://www.debka.com/article/21718/

Posted by: k_w | Feb 8 2012 22:01 utc | 21

@b, comment 13

There have been a couple of meetings in France with BHL (organised by ?) and figures around him in that timespan. The angry arab and french / spanish media did mention them at the time.

Posted by: Philippe | Feb 8 2012 23:29 utc | 22

b: - "Interesting - though I can not second-source it yet."

Try here - http://plot.vsyria.com/ lots of people named and shamed here -

for example besides the excerable BHL there's also that other great French lover of Zionist aggression Bernard Kouchner

The conference was called the "SOS Syrie" conference as far as I remember, suppossedly under the auspices of something called "Change in Syria for Democracy."

apprently a lovely fellow named Alex Goldfarb, [well-known Syrain name apparently :) a former Israeli Knesset member and assistant of Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak, actually acted as spokesman, in Paris, for "Change in Syria for Democracy."

Goldfarb of all people, an ardent Zionist and no friend of Syria,

Posted by: Hu Bris | Feb 9 2012 0:21 utc | 23

"SOS Syrie" conference. yes, this is what my link said also. by googling that you may have some success. lots of stuff on the 'uprooted palestinian' site.

Posted by: annie | Feb 9 2012 0:44 utc | 24

If Egypt turns into an iranian ally, then Arab Spring is already a large victory for Iran.

http://www.egyptindependent.com/node/630336

Posted by: nikon | Feb 9 2012 3:13 utc | 25

Look what was headed to Syria through Lebanon

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/225422.html

Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:48AM
Lebanon’s security officials say a suspicious cargo containing huge amounts of US dollars, guns, special passports and credit cards have been seized upon arrival in the Lebanese capital, Beirut, from the US and Brazil.

Posted by: Old Man | Feb 9 2012 4:40 utc | 26

I realize this is off topic but somehow it seems to be the best place to pose a question to our host. it is hard to keep up with all the "good" the US is doing in the middle east by bringing democracy to those long suffering people and you can imagine just how badly some might feel if those efforts are not appreciated.

it seems like a few good people with good intentions and a genuine desire to help have been charged with wrong doing by some very ungrateful Egyptian generals.

my question is, what the heck were they doing? also the article mentions both democrats and republicans getting themselves into trouble which should also finally put to rest the idea of having a two party system in the US.

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 9 2012 21:15 utc | 27

I have not been able to find a second source as yet, but from reading this Times of India report, if true, it seems like not only is the German Grid struggling to deal with unexpected surges from 'renewables' but in order to do so they have actually been forced to bring back into service several Nuke plants

Freeze forces Germany to restart nuclear reactors

BERLIN: The cold snap gripping Europe has forced Germany, which last year decided to abandon nuclear power, to restart several reactors taken off line, the daily Handelsblatt reports in its Thursday issue.

The cold related surge in electricity demand prompted Germany's network operators to call upon nuclear power plants that had been taken off line but left in reserve as a "preventative measure", a spokeswoman for Tennet, one of the operators, told the newspaper.

In the wake of the devastating earthquake and tsunami in Japan last March, which prompted radiation to leak at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, Germany decided to phase out nuclear power by 2022.

Eight of Germany's 17 reactors have already been switched off and the nine reactors currently on line are due to be turned off between 2015 and 2022.

Five of the eight reactors shut down are serving as reserve generators in case electricity demand cannot be met from other sources.

In December, Germany imported power from neighbouring Austria to stabilise its network

If this is true, how come I have to go to the Times of India to read it?

Posted by: Hu Bris | Feb 9 2012 22:00 utc | 28

damn - wrong thread . . . again! :-D

Posted by: Hu Bris | Feb 9 2012 22:02 utc | 29


Global Research Editor's Note

We bring to the attention of our reader's the Observers Mission Report of the League of Arab States to Syria.

The report acknowledges the existence of "an armed entity" involved in the killings of civilians and police as well as the conduct of terrorist acts, which contributed to triggering actions by government forces.

The Report refers to "armed opposition groups" as well as to the "Free Syrian Army", both of which, according to the AL Mission, are involved in the deliberate killing of innocent civilians:

In some zones, this armed entity reacted by attacking Syrian security forces and citizens, causing the Government to respond with further violence. In the end, innocent citizens pay the price for those actions with life and limb.

"In Homs, Idlib and Hama, the Observer Mission witnessed acts of violence being committed against Government forces and civilians that resulted in several deaths and injuries. Examples of those acts include the bombing of a civilian bus, killing eight persons and injuring others, including women and children, and the bombing of a train carrying diesel oil. In another incident in Homs, a police bus was blown up, killing two police officers. A fuel pipeline and some small bridges were also bombed. "

"Such incidents include the bombing of buildings, trains carrying fuel, vehicles carrying diesel oil and explosions targeting the police, members of the media and fuel pipelines. Some of those attacks have been carried out by the Free Syrian Army and some by other armed opposition groups."

The Mission also underscored to role of media distortion in the coverage of events in Syria as well as the campaign to discredit ithe Mission's findings.

"The Mission noted that many parties falsely reported that explosions or violence had occurred in several locations. When the observers went to those locations, they found that those reports were unfounded.

The Mission also noted that, according to its teams in the field, the media exaggerated the nature of the incidents and the number of persons killed in incidents and protests in certain towns."

The Report also underscored attempts to discredit the Mission and dismiss its findings:

Arab and foreign audiences of certain media organizations have questioned the Mission’s credibility because those organizations use the media to distort the facts. It will be difficult to overcome this problem unless there is political and media support for the Mission and its mandate. It is only natural that some negative incidents should occur as it conducts its activities because such incidents occur as a matter of course in similar missions.

Also of significace were attempts by officials of AL governments to pressure several of the observers into providing "exaggerated accounts of events".

Some observers reneged on their duties and broke the oath they had taken. They made contact with officials from their countries and gave them exaggerated accounts of events. Those officials consequently developed a bleak and unfounded picture of the situation.

Also of significance is the fact that the Mission acknowledged that peaceful protests by unarmed civilians against the government were not the object of government crackdowns:

group team leaders [of the Observation mission] witnessed peaceful demonstrations by both Government supporters and the opposition in several places. None of those demonstrations were disrupted, except for some minor clashes with the Mission and between loyalists and opposition. These have not resulted in fatalities since the last presentation before the Arab Ministerial Committee on the Situation in Syria at its meeting of 8 January 2012.

While the Mission does not identify the foreign powers behind "the armed entity", the report dispels the mainstream media lies and fabrications. It largely confirms independent media reports including Global Research's coverage of the armed insurrection since April 2011. See Global Research's Syria Dossier

Michel Chossudovsky, Global Research, February 1, 2012

www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29025

Posted by: brian | Feb 9 2012 23:28 utc | 30

This wont be popular and will probably even be derided as conspiracy, but first hand experience in the country and deep research (only explanation to tie all the anomalies together) is that the Iran vs Israel/US show is a farce. Under the table and off screen, those at the very top are working together, just like US who in actuality built USSR- while staging a Cold War "against" it. (Sutton). Like Savak's Manzur Rafizedeh in US, hunch says the Syrian Ambassador has been made an offer by the west and has taken it. Syrian gov may be on to it tho. MEthinks he made the wrong bargain?

Posted by: blue beam | Feb 10 2012 4:36 utc | 31

I've been wondering if the US is consciously building up the GCC as an alternative rather than a supplement to Israel in the Mideast. Israel, through its ham-handed brutality and avarice has reduced its ability to influence events to the level of a well-organized terrorist or mafia organization. Creating a Muslim states centered alternative gives the US leverage over Israel's darker impulses. The US will certainly use both, but Israel will have fewer chips to play with.

Posted by: Biklett | Feb 10 2012 6:59 utc | 32

Amnesty wages war on Syria: go see their facebook pages such as:
https://www.facebook.com/amnestyusa

Posted by: brian | Feb 10 2012 7:04 utc | 33

Iran is gaining more allies

"Pakistan yesterday warned Britain to help stop the American “Drone Wars” that are slaughtering hundreds of its innocent civilians.

The nuclear power chillingly declared it “has the means” to retaliate unless the carnage ceases.

Pakistan’s High Commissioner to Britain Wajid Shamsul Hasan told The Sun in an exclusive interview that his country’s relations with America are at their lowest ebb.

He said: “Patience is definitely reaching exhaustion levels.” Mr Hasan said Pakistan backs the War on Terror waged by Britain and the US.

But he urged PM David Cameron to condemn US drone attacks on al-Qaeda and Taliban training camps in the north west of his country — dubbing them as “war crimes” and “little more than state executions”.

Tough-talking Mr Hasan also declared Pakistan would have no choice but to support Iran if “aggressive” Israel attacks it"

Posted by: nikon | Feb 10 2012 7:58 utc | 34

Both Egypt and Pakistan are becoming Iranian allies

Posted by: nikon | Feb 10 2012 8:01 utc | 35

"This wont be popular and will probably even be derided as conspiracy, but first hand experience in the country and deep research (only explanation to tie all the anomalies together) is that the Iran vs Israel/US show is a farce. Under the table and off screen, those at the very top are working together..."

@blue beam #30

I've wondered that myself...


dan of steele, good question..

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 10 2012 9:41 utc | 36

@dan of steele:

The IRI has been directly traced to:
* Death squads in Colombia
* direct leadership in all the multiple coups in Haiti
* close ties to the entire leadership of the recent Honduran coup
* close ties to the Cuban exile movement
* direct links with the anti-Chavez terrorists and coup-meisters in Venezuela.

Those are just the first ones i can remember.

I don't know as much about the Democratic sister group, and am curious to hear what sort of history they've got.

Both these groups were created back in the early eighties, specifically to kick off the privatization of the military by "outsourcing" as much of the CIAs work as possible.

From the outset, they have always been about meddling in other nations through destabilization campaigns and regime change. McCain has pretty much always been at the top of the group (he was president as recently as a few years ago).

Obviously, both groups were there to try and guarantee that their people get into the right offices, rather than the wrong (i.e.: islamists, or anti-Israeli military, or pro-Iranian military, or...) ones.

They've gotten nicely burned. It's very satisfying to see, after watching them get off scot free for so many years.

Posted by: china_hand-other | Feb 10 2012 14:08 utc | 37

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/10/powerful-car-bombs-kill-at-least-25-in-syrias-aleppo/

Powerful Car Bombs Kill at least 25 in Syria's Aleppo

Apparently, suicide car bombs which were - if i'm interpreting this correctly - blown up near *government* security stations, killed at least a score of street people (the article isn't entirely clear).

Can't get a much clearer act of terrorism than that.

Posted by: china_hand-other | Feb 10 2012 14:10 utc | 38

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