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January 26, 2012

Soon To Come To A Place Near You: Riots And Suppression

A succinct and appropriate warning by Georg Soros which fits with my own estimates:

As he sees it, the world faces one of the most dangerous periods of modern history—a period of “evil.” Europe is confronting a descent into chaos and conflict. In America he predicts riots on the streets that will lead to a brutal clampdown that will dramatically curtail civil liberties. The global economic system could even collapse altogether.
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“We are facing an extremely difficult time, comparable in many ways to the 1930s, the Great Depression. We are facing now a general retrenchment in the developed world, which threatens to put us in a decade of more stagnation, or worse. The best-case scenario is a deflationary environment. The worst-case scenario is a collapse of the financial system.”

Soros also expresses my fear for Europe. Unfortunately the signs of this happening are piling up:

He’s now convinced that “if you have a disorderly collapse of the euro, you have the danger of a revival of the political conflicts that have torn Europe apart over the centuries—an extreme form of nationalism, which manifests itself in xenophobia, the exclusion of foreigners and ethnic groups. ..."

Soros is not alone in predicting this.

The Global Risk 2012 (pdf) report for the World Economic Forum in Davos is seeing "severe income disparity" and "chronic fiscal imbalances" as the most likely risk factors in the coming 10 years.

But there is still little momentum anywhere to increase taxes on the rich which would help to curtail fiscal imbalances and income disparity. Instead we get talk about more and evermore austerity which will predictably fail to solve any economic problem.

There will be riots and suppression of riots and riots against the suppression. Only after those set up enough pressure genuine reforms will be thought of that will resolve the disparities and imbalances. Throughout the most important issue is to avoid wars which ruling classes traditionally like in such times as they help to divert the attention from their failures.

Posted by b on January 26, 2012 at 18:18 UTC | Permalink

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Soros is not to be trusted, and not because Glenn Beck says so, but because he plays every side and every angle for his own gain. He's behind both Bush and Obama. This article lays it out nicely. Considering that, what's he up to with this latest incantation?

http://anarchitext.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/soros-philanthropist-spook/

This is not a case of narcissistic personality disorder; this is how George Soros exercises the authority of United States hegemony in the world today. Soros foundations and financial machinations are partly responsible for the destruction of socialism in Eastern Europe and the former USSR. He has set his sights on China. He was part of the full court press that dismantled Yugoslavia. Calling himself a philanthropist, billionaire George Soros’ role is to tighten the ideological stranglehold of globalization and the New World Order while promoting his own financial gain. Soros’ commercial and “philanthropic” operations are clandestine, contradictory and coactive. And as far as his economic activities are concerned, by his own admission, he is without conscience; a capitalist who functions with absolute amorality.

Master-builder of the new bribe sector systematically bilking the world He thrusts himself upon world statesmen and they respond. He has been close to Henry Kissinger, Vaclav Havel and Poland’s General Wojciech Jaruzelski.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Jan 26 2012 18:48 utc | 1

Austerity won't solve the economic problem, but it's necessary because the "economic problem" is a permanent decrease (on average) of incomes and standard of living in the industrialized world. It's now the post-industrial world in these places, which is good news for the environment by the way.

The people who want to return to the good old days by going further into debt are on the wrong side of history. They should instead be preparing for the good new days, with fewer toys.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 26 2012 19:11 utc | 2

@2, yes, that's fine and dandy, but that applies to all ships in the receding sea. As it stands, wealth is continuing to concentrate exponentially, so to ask the vast majority to accept austerity whilst the wealthy increase their wealth, is insulting and beyond the pale. In addition, austerity should be a democratic process. The term should be defined and the actions taken to implement it should be accomplished by a one person-one vote system with the spirit of justice and equity for all at its core. It shouldn't be decided by those shitbirds in Davos, or by the Plutocratic Oligarchy in general, nor by Special interest groups to include all form of Lobbying organizations....including Unions.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Jan 26 2012 19:25 utc | 3

@3
There's no asking of the vast majority to accept austerity when a flat or even decreasing economy is a fact which must be accepted.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 26 2012 19:44 utc | 4

Well naturally you have to look at the messanger as well as the message.But I think this is an honest assesment by Soros. Here is a man who spent around 4 billion dollars of his own money on Eastern Europe to turn them from Socialist republics to Capitalist economies only to now 10 years later watch capitalism itself failing and Russia and China rising.

The most important quote in the whole thing is this:

"To Soros, the spectacular debunking of the credo of efficient markets—the notion that markets are rational and can regulate themselves to avert disaster—“is comparable to the collapse of Marxism as a political system. "

He saw the fall of Communismm in Eastern Europe and funded the solidarity cammpaigns.Now he is comparing that to the current free market collapse. He is watching the project he has supported in Eastern Europe since 1979 crumbling.

Posted by: Colm O' Toole | Jan 26 2012 19:52 utc | 5

Redistribution, not austerity as the solution. Wealth hyper-accumulation, not debt as the problem.

Bad to see that now the optimistic b seems to agree with my opinion since autumn that the narrow nationalistic 'austere' (for the poor) neo-liberal policies of the EU governments were destroying union and Europe.

Posted by: ThePaper | Jan 26 2012 19:54 utc | 6

Makes sense especially, in a place where, Six million Americans are under correctional supervision—more than were in Stalin’s gulags.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 26 2012 19:55 utc | 7

"There's no asking of the vast majority to accept austerity when a flat or even decreasing economy is a fact which must be accepted...:"

The majority, both of the world population and the US, currently live in poverty. And are getting poorer. Ask them to "give up toys" and you are likely to elicit a blank stare. Millions do not have homes, jobs, medicine, food or hope for the future.

It is they, all across Europe, east and west, throughout North America and in the rest of the world who are being enrolled in carrying the burden of austerity, by working longer, for less, giving up educational aspirations, doing without healthcare and so on, not in order to relieve the planet of its burdens but in order to increase the power of the vampires who drink their blood and eat both their aged and their young.
By all means let us consume less, but let consumption be rationed according to social needs; at the moment the first call on all production is for profit, capital accumulation and the costs of maintaining criminality in power, and those are costs which steadily chew up a bigger part of the social product, while the needs of the poor billions, from the foodstamp families living in huts on backroads in Virginia to the favelas and slums of the Third World, are catered to by Malthus's grim reaper, the obverse on the coin of capitalist development.

So don't worry Don about the 99% of 7 billion joining in the campaign to make do with less, they have been doing their part since day one, it is the filthy rich and their Praetorian Guard we should be putting on a diet, which must begin with slashing "international trade" the mechanism that whisks food off the spoons of the poor into the distended belly of Capital.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 26 2012 20:16 utc | 8

Roubini is also warning that income disparity is reaching 1929 levels, with similar consequences likely. Also worth noting is, that as a result of the 29 crash the United States and most of the European countries immediately imposed Hooveresque austerity programs, which locked in the trajectory toward world wide depression. The PTB must surely know the same thing will happen this time around should the same policy decisions be adopted. I seriously doubt that they really expect a different result from doing the same thing. So why do they do it? Amnesia? Denial? Stupidity? Or unvarnished greed?

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 26 2012 20:16 utc | 9

@9, they do it because they realize this is not like 1929. There is no growth after this. There can only be depopulation. They know it, and they're raking in the chips. They have convinced themselves that those chips will somehow have some meaning and value when they complete their Technological Ark that will transport them away from the cesspool they incubated all these years.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Jan 26 2012 20:41 utc | 10

There's no asking of the vast majority to accept austerity when a flat or even decreasing economy is a fact which must be accepted.

I say we start with Marketing Professors. Since the majority (note, not all) of us have to learn to live with less, and Bevin notes have been living with less,there's really no longer any need for Sales and Marketing Departments....or Corporations, if there ever was. So, no more useless business degrees. We can all become autodidacts and share philosophy whilst picking fruits and berries from a damaged but forgiving Mother Earth. I'd take that over sitting in a cube waiting for the boss to come around the corner, any day.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Jan 26 2012 21:07 utc | 11

Soros used to be Hungarian and shit is happening there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Hungary
This does not apply to Poland, however,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Poland
nor to Germany - East or West
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/11/underestimating-east-germany/7776/

to compare today to the 1920's and 30's is silly, austerity then meant no food, that is unlikely now
http://theintrinsicvalue.com/research/food-inflation-how-much-percentage-of-income-is-spent-on-food

like for my grandfather owning a car meant he was pretty wealthy, today it means nothing.
Being rich or poor mainly is the comparison to next door, from a certain level onwards, so yes riots may come from a sense of exclusion or marginalisation, or having nothing else to do, they won't be sparked by economic data.

usually distributive fights occur when there is something to fight about, so I guess the argument is about who should print the money and pay.


Posted by: somebody | Jan 26 2012 21:13 utc | 12

Also there is 'no alternative' to capitalism. The days of socialism and communism are gone. And most 'proletarians' are more worried about how to get a new iToy than about fighting for their own rights. Until it gets so bad they don't have any other option. And then the only alternative they see to the current system is fascism: extreme right political parties, anti-immigrant bigotry, ultra-nationalism.

Posted by: ThePaper | Jan 26 2012 21:22 utc | 13

Also there is 'no alternative' to capitalism.

Without socialism, capitalism would have died in 2008!

And most 'proletarians' are more worried about how to get a new iToy than about fighting for their own rights.

It's the middle class "the man" should be worried about and it's far larger these days.

BTW, have they stopped teaching about 1848 in European schools, they almost certainly have in British schools.

Posted by: blowback | Jan 26 2012 22:16 utc | 14

The days of socialism and communism are gone.

Yeah, that nice man on TV said so.

Posted by: yes_but | Jan 27 2012 1:07 utc | 15

#10,

They have convinced themselves that those chips will somehow have some meaning and value when they complete their Technological Ark that will transport them away from the cesspool they incubated all these years.

Ahhh, so that's why Newt is promising American space colonies on the moon. That guy Newt is just so darn suave, isn't he.

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 27 2012 1:17 utc | 16

Or one suave fucker as it were.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH8FEZvaiAI

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 27 2012 1:31 utc | 17

George Soros is a member of the Bilderberg Group

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/rothschild15_16.jpg

Posted by: nikon | Jan 27 2012 2:37 utc | 18

As I've posted here before, prudence demands preparation. I have little faith in my vote, or in our government being "representative" of the people's will. However, I will vote, just as a message, even if it goes unheard.

And although a gun owner from childhood, I see little use for my rifles, shotguns, and handguns when going against an army that is the most modern, and most deadly, on the planet. Violent protest against this army will only result in sure death for those that are foolhardy enough to fight a dragon when armed with a toothpick.

So really, the only thing I have any real control over is my own immediate sphere. And I live where I live due to that realization. I KNOW where the elk winter, and I know where they will be in the fall. There IS clean and spring fed streams in my immediate area. I know and trust my neighbors. And there is only one way IN to our community by car, but a myriad of ways to get out, by horse.

Will it all fall apart? Who knows? Am I paranoid? Not at all. Will I find myself prepared if it does collapse? I hope so.

I see it as a beginning, not as an end. Its more comfortable to see it that way, and it makes the sunsets prettier. Besides, I'm having fun looking for a good mule, and share that fun with a woman that appreciates one.

Really, life is good, is it not?

Hey MB, just couldn't resist, couldcha?

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Jan 27 2012 5:11 utc | 19

Former LAPD Chief says they coordinated w/ CIA. Looks like they've worked with most major cities across the nation now

BLOCKQUOTE>Former New York City Police Commissioner and Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton said Tuesday that it was important for local police agencies to exchange and coordinate information with the CIA regarding terrorism.

“In dealing with information intelligence as it relates to terrorism, the CIA has a lot of information that is appropriate for use by American police forces,” he said.

He noted that most terrorists were homegrown, not foreigners

The question is, why does the CIA need to "coordinate" with civilian law enforcement across the nation? I suspect they know what's coming, heck, most of us here have known where this was headed for years now, only we were kooks for suggesting such. They are in the process of setting up a secret police network in conjction w/fusion centers and infraguard/ DHS for domestic enforcement.

They already have, through the use of so-called 'fusion' stations in major metro areas, funded through DHS. Dallas' particular hybrid enforcement program goes under the moniker of MOSAIC. It is a domestic spying program.
http://www.dallascityhall.com/committee_briefings/briefings0609/PS_Fusion_Center_061509.pdf
This one goes into a bit more detail.

http://www.dallascityhall.com/committee_briefings/briefings0108/PS_010708_MOSAIC.PDF

Operating through informed conjecture, the outlines detailed in these briefings, combined with a concurrent increase in surveillance equipment going up throughout the city in this timeframe, indicates the information being filtered through MOSAIC is of a wide-spectrum, indiscriminate nature, with the relevant crime analytics being developed through data mining at the fusion center.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 27 2012 9:14 utc | 20

Remember the 18 major/ cities COORDINATION AND mayors crackdown on OWS?

It's become a public and private milieu: Private organizations such as the Association of chief of police officers and non-profit organization called Police Executive Research Forum, aka PERF

The National Lawyers Guild nor the PCJF (Partnership for Civil Justice Fund) got anywhere in the cointelpro environment of today.

see, CIA won't disclose involvement in crackdowns on OWS...

Also see, Chuck Wexler:POLICE New Military Urbanism OWS Excessive Use of Force Paramilitary Policing (Coup d'Etat)

Democracy Now! hosts a discussion on policing and the Occupy Wall Street movement with Chuck Wexler, director of the Police Executive Research Forum, which helped organize calls among police chiefs on how to respond to the Occupy protests, and with Norm Stamper, the former police chief of Seattle, who recently wrote an article for the Nation magazine titled "Paramilitary Policing From Seattle to Occupy Wall Street." "Trust me, the police do not want to be put in this position. Cities need to ask themselves, is there another way to handle this conflict?," Wexler says. Stamper notes, "There are many compassionate, decent, competent police officers who do a terrific job day in and day out. There are others who are 'bad apples.' What both of them have in common is that they 'occupy,' as it were, a system, a structure that itself is rotten. I am talking about the paramilitary bureaucracy." We are also joined by Stephen Graham, author of "Cities Under Siege: The New Military Urbanism," and by by retired New York Supreme Court Judge Karen Smith, who worked as a legal observer Tuesday morning in New York after the police raided the Occupy Wall Street encampment. "I was there to take down the names of people who were arrested... As I'm standing there, an African-American woman goes up to a police officer and says, 'I need to get in. My daughter's there, I want to know if she is OK.' And he said, 'Move on, lady,' and they kept pushing with their sticks, pushing back and she was crying... he throws her to the ground and starts hitting her in the head," says Smith. "I walk over and I say, 'Look, cuff her if she's done something, but you don't need to do that.' He said, 'lady, you want to get arrested?' I said, 'Do you see my hat? I'm here as a legal observer.' He said, 'Do you want to get arrested?' and he pushed me up against the wall."......


P.S. Sorry for the sloppy formatting as I'm posting from my phone.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 27 2012 10:51 utc | 21

no 15 The days of socialism and communism are gone.

Yeah, that nice man on TV said so.

Posted by: yes_but | Jan 26, 2012 8:07:28 PM | 15/BLOCKQUOTE>

it is called synthesis in dialectics ...

Posted by: somebody | Jan 27 2012 10:59 utc | 22

The only hope for humanity is the current global uprising against the horrors of transnational (corporate) capitalism and their coup d'etat of economies everywhere. Let's hope the world can improve upon "reforms" from past convulsions of the capitalist system. If it only tries to put a band-aid on a cancer, the world may erupt in flames.

The corporate global platform has proven to be an utter failure as a force for social, economic or political good: profound inequality in societies throughout the world -- the 1% vs. the 99% everywhere; the ecological crisis; the driving of small farmers off their land to face either enslavement, starvation or suicide; the total stagnation of wage labor simultaneous to historically high corporate profits; seemingly intractable (under present political constraints) unemployment and underemployment in mature industrialized economies designed to keep wages in the toilet and divert productivity gains to the 1%.

The best the elites of the so-called first world can do is respond with austerity for everyone to pay for the hellish greed of the few, and suffer repression for protesting such austerity. And for the ultimate neocon-led, neoliberal-inspired distraction, let's not be blind to this "apoplexy" about Iran of late, which is the Iraq playbook all over again. Although this time, it will not be so easy, and might just engulf the whole world in conflict.

Posted by: Cynthia | Jan 27 2012 11:08 utc | 23

It's become such a morally repugnance, of out of control control...Undercover police had children with activists ethics and a moral compass has gone out the window, not to mention the breaking of laws, high treasonous laws where the :US Army may have used PSYOP against senators

RS:Army Deploys Psy-Ops on U.S. Senators

Oh, and the just House formally redefined "psychological operations" as "military information support operations"...

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 27 2012 11:18 utc | 24

Cynthia, what current Global Uprising? Egypt? Look where that got them/us......the Muslim Brotherhood's slowly, but surely, taking control. What's the U.S. equivalent of that? The next several decades are going to be particularly brutal for women and children. They become the victims of much abuse when things get really tough. If you want to foment an uprising, you better have one hell of a plan with multiple contingencies, and you damn well better consider the power vacuums that always ensue, and those who will use your blood as a stepping stone to their power. As Debs mentioned on the other thread, that's exactly what the Mullahs did in Iran. They used the "left's" hard work and blood sacrifice to catapult themselves to power in the ensuing power vacuum.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Jan 27 2012 11:47 utc | 25

The Library of Congress : SEC. 1086. REDESIGNATION OF PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS AS MILITARY INFORMATION SUPPORT OPERATIONS IN TITLE 10, UNITED STATES CODE, TO CONFORM TO DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE USAGE.

Title 10, United States Code, is amended as follows:

(1) In section 167(j), by striking paragraph (6) and inserting the following new paragraph:

`(6) Military information support operations.'.

(2) Section 2011(d)(1) is amended by striking `psychological operations' and inserting `military information support operations'.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 27 2012 11:48 utc | 26

I've learned so much here in a short time, but I never expected
poetry. Thank you for that, #8 bevin, and thanks to b and nearly everyone else for the very good signal to noise ratio.

Posted by: no6ody | Jan 27 2012 13:20 utc | 27

"As Debs mentioned on the other thread, that's exactly what the Mullahs did in Iran. They used the "left's" hard work and blood sacrifice to catapult themselves to power in the ensuing power vacuum. "

I'm pretty sure US secretly supported the mullahs taking over Iran, because US didn't want a communist Iran in the middle of the cold war. An islamic Iran helped US defeat USSR in afghnistan.

Posted by: nikon | Jan 27 2012 14:44 utc | 28

@28, that's highly plausible. I wouldn't discount it.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Jan 27 2012 14:59 utc | 29

Per 28: It was the whole murder club: US, Britain and Israel. The US actually told the Shah to leave in the months prior - but he really believed that the future of the Iranian people was his obligation. Naive - he bought the myth that came with the mantle, not that he reigned only as they deigned.

Israel was a principal customer for Iranian oil over the following 2 decades. Iran managed to keep an airforce of F4s in operation over that time - with maintenance parts supplied by Israel.

Posted by: Jeremiah Cornelius | Jan 27 2012 15:21 utc | 30

MB @ 1: Good read on Soros, thanks for the link. The globalists distract the sheeple with false battles between left/right, gay/straight, rich/poor, black/white, god/no god, guns/no guns etc. while moving to implement their strategy at global hegemony. No one seems to epitomize such strategy more than Soros. Heather Cottin, the author, seems to have some street cred, but, as always, any article should be taken with a grain of salt. Best article I've read on Soros.

This thread's an excellent read this morning.

Posted by: ben | Jan 27 2012 15:58 utc | 31

He spent four billion of his own money?C'mon,if he spent that money(which he probably stole from US through neolibcon capitalism)you can bet he made billions in profit.This guys psychological trail since WW2, when he helped Hitlers henchmen, leads me to believe he has no soul,and cares only about the dough re mi,a common affliction among our monsters of industry and bankster thievery.And his agenda of a globalized economy is exactly why common Americans are in pain today,but hey,the facts suck,so lets make up some new ones in response,as serial liars do serially,and lets blame the Iranians,it works for Israel,and US sleeple sheeple.

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 27 2012 16:39 utc | 32

ben, when I posted it, I literally thought "at least Ben will appreciate it, so it's worth posting it just for that reason alone."

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Jan 28 2012 14:25 utc | 33

"ben, when I posted it, I literally thought "at least Ben will appreciate it, so it's worth posting it just for that reason alone."

Beats the shit outta humming a swan song, eh, MB?

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Jan 28 2012 15:34 utc | 34

For your amusement, edification or indifference...

psywar

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 28 2012 15:44 utc | 35

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