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It Ain’t Over …
"The opera ain't over till the fat lady sings" relates to Wagner's Götterdämerung. In Libya the twilight of the gods of war has yet to come.
October 17, 2011: Gaddafi stronghold Bani Walid falls
NTC troops raise flags of Libya's new government after six-week siege, leaving only parts of Sirte defended by loyalists.
January 23, 2012: Qaddafi loyalists seize Bani Walid, clash with NTC forces
Diehard supporters of slain Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi seized control Monday of “the entire city of Bani Walid,” a local official said, prompting the deployment of National Transitional Council forces to regain the town.
@ Pissed off American,
Don’t worry about being a newbie – I go back to this blog as far back as anyone. I can summarize all of Debs posts in one sentence: White people=bad (especially Amerikan white people) vs dark-skinned
people=good. That is all you need to know. Of course if you dig back, you will find exceptions in his posts. Yeah go back far enough and you may even find Debs defending and praising Rupert Murdoch. I remember my short response to that post: “WTF!”
Since Debs has rudely interrupted this thread in another attempt to discredit Ron Paul, I will try to be brief as this discussion is totally off topic.
Debs from his first post, first words, and again totally off topic (Thread Title: From Torturing Terrorists To Killed French Soldiers): “vote Ron Paul? Wake up fools.”
It is typical of Debs (and similar to anna missed in his attacks against Ron Paul), to first categorize people who are totally diverse into a group where all individuals in that group think/act in a specific manner. Here in this group, Deb’s states that all of Dr. Ron Paul’s voters are “fools” as if personal insults help prove a point. I doubt Debs even realizes the full meaning or origin of the word “fool” as the depth of his knowledge probably goes no further than “Wictionary”. Debs may refer to me as a fool, or lump me with the likes of any Ron Paul supporter from David Duke to Walter Williams, or even try to lump me with the Obama deception, but I know my life, I know my thoughts, I know my reasons, and Debs does not.
Here are Debs “2 inescapable facts:”
”1/ Ron Paul is a whore just like alla the rest of the scum inhabiting congress. This is revealed in his failed attempt to gain recognition as an unashamed racist. He published his twisted attacks on unwhites for years, back when more than a few wannabe pols thought that racism was the way to mobilise the right. The fact that he now claims that he never supported racist policies makes his position worse not better cause he has shown us he will use any platform including those he is “vehemently opposed to” (Ron Paul’s words) to get elected.”
No need to comment on the first sentence “Ron Paul is a whore…” The sentence and meaning is just absurd. But then continuing, Debs delves deeply into Paul’s psyche: “He published his twisted attacks on unwhites for years.. thought that racism was the way to mobilise the right.” To use such simplistic dualism, that is ‘right vs. left’, ‘black vs white’, ‘liberal vs. conservative’, and on and on, dualism that we all encounter every day in other political media, is quite disturbing here at MOA, especially when such dualism is used to judge the morals of another. Yet, Debs makes sure to include all for division with utmost contrast – instead of black vs. white, Debs uses ‘unwhite” vs. white’ to encompass all of us into one of two distinct groups. It bothers me to differentiate people and group people as if we lived back thirty or forty years ago. This is 2012, not 1970. Debs simplistic dualism is the epitome of racism. Quite the contrary, to believe that each individual should be treated equally under the law is not “racism”. Maybe that is just too simple for Debs to understand. But I assure you, any other arbitration, no matter how well intentioned, does nothing to further the cause of civil liberties whether it be for race, religion, or gender.
Continuing with Debs second Point:
2/ Everyone including Ron Paul knows that he cannot win the prez beauty contest as a rethug or an indie.
Debs, some of us “Amerikans”, as you typically and insultingly describe us, take voting seriously and do not consider this a “beauty contest”. Sure the odds of Ron Paul winning are slim, but his ideas are growing by leaps and bounds, especially among the youth. These ideas are so powerful they will continue and grow with or without Ron Paul Not everyone lives in the mindset of the past. I’m sorry Debs, your words reveal a mindset of .yesterday. Yes people can change, and to believe what anna missed has said about Ron Paul “that tradition is more important than reason” is to believe a lie. Ron Paul grew up in a racially charged era, and a more unforgiving one in other respects also. Ron Paul, as a doctor, helped blacks when others would not, and helped people in need whether rich or poor. The doctor or hospital bill was not the primary factor for him. And it was quite common for nearly everyone years ago, Ron Paul included, to believe in capitol punishment. Ron Paul changed his position on capitol punishment. I respect Ron Paul for changing his views when reason dictated and forsaking the positions of his former generation, not the least of which is his outspoken criticism regarding U.S. monetary policy. These changes for Ron Paul are a matter of record. They are not opinions or delusions of mine.
Posting this response disturbs me for two reasons: It is another minutia in time and thought, prolonging the racism that has plagued this country for far too long. Also, this response is another minutia of space and thought, degrading an excellent interactive web site. MOA exists because of b’s hard work and we should all respect and strive for high standards here. In short, straying off-topic is not giving the proper respect to b. My apologies to b, if such is the case in his opinion. However, defense of an innocent man is always paramount. Progress towards an ideal often comes in small steps.
Posted by: Rick Happ | Jan 25 2012 8:27 utc | 52
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