Those Peaceful Suicide Bombers In Syria

December 23, 2011

Those Peaceful Suicide Bombers In Syria

Will the media now finally stop with the fairytale of peaceful protests in Syria?

Suicide car bombers struck Damascus on Friday, officials said, killing 40 people, gutting buildings and sending human limbs flying in the bloodiest violence seen in Syria's capital since a revolt against President Bashar al-Assad began nine months ago.

Maybe. At least Reuters has changed the wording to revolt.

As we have written before the peaceful protests involved massive violence against security force at least since mid April while the numbers of killed protesters are made up or from dubious sources.

The U.S. and the Saudis who finance this revolt better wake up now to what their instigation is causing. The blowback from a destabilized Syria would be huge.

Posted by b on December 23, 2011 at 18:52 UTC | Permalink

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yeah, the problem is, it is a reactionary revolt against a police state.
and where the fuck do they get the suicide bombers from.
if your dictator is the most enlightened person, your culture has a problem
German history is full of this shit.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 23 2011 20:23 utc | 1

The propaganda is so obvious. While Syria was signing at the Arab League allowing US/Saudi ‘observers’ their ‘pro-democracy’ fronts in London where producing ever increasing numbers of civilian fatalities to derail the accord. And now it gets ‘alqaedized’. I wonder where the Iraqi section for sectarian war and terrorism of the US military and CIA were relocated …

Posted by: ThePaper | Dec 23 2011 20:41 utc | 2

Interesting report from Tarpley: Link

Guns and Butter
“NATO’s Assault On Syria” with Webster Griffin Tarpley. Foreign journalists trip to Syria; religions and ethnicities; Syrian cities of Damascus, Qara, Homs and its Zahra neighborhood and hospital, Baniyas, Tartus, and Beirut, Lebanon; Russian Naval Base; death squads/snipers/ambushes and kidnapping; Syrian Army; foreign intervention.

Posted by: Biklett | Dec 23 2011 20:48 utc | 3

For a while after Billmon retired his website I used to visit this site… now I wonder whether it’s changed or I’ve changed. I can’t imagine that I’ve changed that much. Is this today’s version of Stalinism? I’m not sure – but it sure is worthless. Sympathies for (and blind belief in) the totalitarian Syrian regime simply because they align against the U.S. and their allies. What crap. I have to wonder what Billmon would make of this.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 24 2011 0:28 utc | 4

I’m not sure – but it sure is worthless.
So you ain’t sure on either?
Sympathies for (and blind belief in) the totalitarian Syrian regime simply because they align against the U.S. and their allies.
So are you saying those suicide attackers were with the U.S. and its allies? And you are not against them?
My view, simply said, Syria and its people are under open attack by U.S./Saudi financed goons of the worst possible kind. Instead of a fairly open, secular society those goons want a harsh Sunni religious dictatorship. There is only little support for that in the Syrian population.
What crap. I have to wonder what Billmon would make of this.
It took Billmon quite a while to find out that Israel’s war on Lebanon was not fun but a totally unjustified escalation. He wrote “sorry” to me and his readership after having recognized that my standpoint on the issue was right.
Billmon was a good writer, but he wasn’t right on every issue.

Posted by: b | Dec 24 2011 1:38 utc | 5

“but he wasn’t right on every issue.” and neither are you b. but props for keeping this site alive and going. i come everyday as a lurker, read all the posts and most of the comments. some i agree with and some i disagree but the quality of the arguments is always strong. thank you for this oasis and may 2012 treat you and yours with all sorts of goodness 🙂

Posted by: charmicarmicat | Dec 24 2011 2:24 utc | 6

“So you ain’t sure on either?”
I’m not sure if this is Stalinism (but it reminds me of it)… and I’m sure that, whatever it’s called, it’s worthless.
“So are you saying those suicide attackers were with the U.S. and its allies? And you are not against them?”
I’m not saying that the suicide attackers (who have yet to be identified, by the way) are with the U.S. and its allies – that is what you suggest. Not clear at all how the U.S. is somehow behind protests within Syria… doesn’t seem terribly likely. Also not clear how you draw a straight line between protests brutally suppressed and a set of car bombings. These are not the same M.O.
Not clear at all why you are pro-Syrian government – other than it is anti-U.S. government and pro-Hezbollah (the latter of which is a pretty odd thing to be supportive of unless you are: 1) a radical islamist, 2) anti-Israel even if it means supporting horrible people, 3) a communist willing to support any body who is anti-western democracy – even when such allies are worse than the west. This last (and some other comments in other threads by you and others lead me to the thought that Stalinism is alive and well at this site. …which itself is rather bizarre.
“Instead of a fairly open, secular society those goons want a harsh Sunni religious dictatorship.”
An interesting thought. Certainly the U.S. and their allies (and other countries around the world) are not above supporting horrible regimes to suit what they view as their “strategic interests”. Prior to the bombings I don’t see evidence of something that sinister in the opposition… which to this point has seemed rather obvious in its local (Syrian) nature and its democratic aims. But then perhaps you’ve read things I haven’t. It certainly seems easy to believe that there are more than two actors in this… Al Qaeda involvement in the bombings, for example, is not at all hard to imagine… and neither is pro-government forces looking to discredit the protests.
“Billmon was a good writer, but he wasn’t right on every issue.”
Certainly correct. But I didn’t take him as someone who would ever be supportive of a totalitarian regime (such as Syria) or a totalitarian/islamist regime (such as Hezbollah). Being the enemy of my enemy (assuming that’s the logic) is, in my book, wholly inadequate justification.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 24 2011 2:35 utc | 7

…perhaps I’m misreading you regarding Syrian government support… You do seem prepared to believe the government and blame the protestors regarding the revolt (which did start out peacefully – with brutal government crackdown). If you don’t like totalitarian government, I’m not sure what the Syrian government has done to make you trust it despite you not liking it.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 24 2011 3:25 utc | 8

wot happened b? I looked for the capcha you say is there to scroll down to it wasn’t there, the site claimed it had accepted my post but once again it has disappeared.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 24 2011 4:01 utc | 9

THE DESTABILIZATION OF SYRIA AND THE BROADER MIDDLE EAST WAR
What is unfolding in Syria is an armed insurrection supported covertly by foreign powers including the US, Turkey and Israel.
Armed insurgents belonging to Islamist organizations have crossed the border from Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan. The US State Department has confirmed that it is supporting the insurgency.
The United States is to expand contacts with Syrians who are counting on a regime change in the country.
This was stated by U.S. State Department official Victoria Nuland. “We started to expand contacts with the Syrians, those who are calling for change, both inside and outside the country,” she said.
Nuland also repeated that Barack Obama had previously called on Syrian President Bashar Assad to initiate reforms or to step down from power.” (Voice of Russia, June 17, 2011)
The destabilization of Syria and Lebanon as sovereign countries has been on the drawing board of the US-NATO-Israel military alliance for at least ten years.
More here……..http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25312

Posted by: easy e | Dec 24 2011 4:31 utc | 10

yet again . . .
where have all teh posts gone, long time passing.
has the BND ‘captcha’d every one, long time ago.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 24 2011 4:43 utc | 11

not surprising. Thanks for the links. But that shouldn’t mean necessarily that the Syrian government is deserving of support or that it doesn’t deserve to fall. Nor does some limited outside support for revolt mean that the Syrian movement for democratization is somehow invalid. After all, the American’s got help from the French in their revolution… Did that mean that the American Revolution was simply an evil French plot? Such logic would probably invalidate all 20th century revolutions – as they probably all got outside help (usually: U.S., U.S.S.R., China, Cuba… but certainly not limited to them).

Posted by: Roger | Dec 24 2011 4:45 utc | 12

What is disturbing to me is not that U.S. government supports democratization in Syria… or Libya… but that we don’t in Saudi Arabia. The U.S. government has a double standard. “Strategic interests” overrules democracy (where the two are seen as in conflict).

Posted by: Roger | Dec 24 2011 4:57 utc | 13

The US does not support “democratisation” in Syria, Libya or anywhere else. It supports its agents and puppets, assisting them to power. It does so by employing money, assassins, corrupt satraps, such as the Sauds, Hashemites and Qatar, and hired mercenaries. It also uses salafist al qaeda fanatics- hence the suicide bombings.
It was reported a few days ago that al qaeda agents had entered Syria from Lebanon. Clearly the reports were right.
As to the US supporting “horrible regimes” the US is a horrible regime, responsible for millions of deaths, a regime born in genocide and dedicated to enslaving labour; most notably, cocooned since its earliest days in cloying evangelical hypocrisies of the sort thast Obama and Clinton still spew out and readers like Roger lap up and regurgitate, shamelessly.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 24 2011 5:40 utc | 14

Roger, i think you’re completely missing the point. you don’t necessarily have to be “for” one football team if you’re noticing that another team is committing fouls. us/them, good/bad, dem/rep – these are the tools of propaganda. the thing that disturbs you about Saudi Arabia is actually getting closer to the problem. the USG doesn’t really have a problem with dictatorships or oligarchies or theocracies or any other oppressive regime you can think of, as long as that regime does what USG tells them to do. you should likewise be disturbed by the military dictatorship in Egypt we’ve equipped with the finest US-made Abrams tanks and vehicles. i also followed stories on Libya during the NATO assault, and it always struck me as odd that despite a lot of dialogue, none of those frozen Gaddafi assets were able to find their way into the hands of rebels. in fact, the rebels were regarded as a bit of a nuisance, good at doing little more than getting themselves killed, and riding in for an unopposed victory dance once NATO cleared an area.
and there’s one more thing, one very big thing that i just can’t ignore since i became aware of it a few months ago. go google “seven countries in five years”. it’s funny that you don’t hear about it so much now that we’ve changed administrations, but Clark told us which countries they were going to knock over. i think we’ve been doing a pretty good job it, don’t you? sure, five years is way too optimistic, but big projects almost always go way over-budget and fail to meet timetables. this is all planned, it’s got nothing to do with democracy. chances are pretty good that Israel will go absolutely apeshit if anything resembling true democracy gets a foothold in Syria. they’ll do like they did with Egypt and howl about the Muslim Brotherhood or some equivalency.
and i’m guessing that you’ll accept that maybe some new pro-american authoritarian regime in Syria will be just fine, as long as they aren’t “killing their own people” and the threat of terrorism is nipped in the bud. but i’d ask that you consider that perhaps some more pragmatic material concerns are the real reason. after all, why else are we there in the first place and not some equally violent, yet impoverished, region of africa establishing order? it’s because petroleum is as important to maintaining our economy as water is to agriculture. and heck, maybe it’s just got to be that way. maybe those who control the dwindling oil supply will survive while the rest experience famine and disease. but hell if i’m going to sit by and pretend like it’s something other than it is.

Posted by: Proton Soup | Dec 24 2011 6:35 utc | 15

yeah, and after failed state comes invasion
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/britains-new-year-resolution-intervene-in-somalia-6280391.html
or failed state comes after invasion? whatever …
it is a fresh attempt at colonialism by the US, Britain, France and Turkey
Roger, democracy is meaningless without religious tolerance and minority rights. You can fight with Salafis against a dictator, however, after you won, it is very likely that you will have to fight the Salafis. If they have the mosques and the weapons and you got a pen, the outcome is clear. You killed for another dictatorship.
So, should Syrians kill each other for another dictatorship?

Posted by: somebody | Dec 24 2011 7:29 utc | 16

the USA brings people the freedom of the grave and the democracy of death.

Posted by: Susan | Dec 24 2011 7:50 utc | 17

@DiD – I checked – no comments in the spam trap – I do not know what happened to yours. Please keep trying.

Posted by: b | Dec 24 2011 11:16 utc | 18

Debs, is not the only one experiencing captcha problems but also missing posts and other weird quirks, I have written several posts only to have them say they’ve BEEN posted ( got screen captures of them to prove it ) only to have them just not show up, as well as among other things having the preview and post buttons greyed out and not being able to post at all.
Anyway, Happy Holidays Everyone, I’m reminded peace isn’t always shelter from the storm as it Is peace within the storm.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 24 2011 12:12 utc | 19

Just to give credit where it is due, I’d like to point out that Robert Fisk at The Independent has spent many months loudly questioning all this nonsense about “Syrian Army deserters” and a spontaneous uprising against Assad.

Posted by: Johnboy | Dec 24 2011 13:10 utc | 20

Yeah,sure,we want democracy in Syria, a nation bordering the wacko racist state which would give voice to the absolute hatred engendered by 60 + years of murder and land stealing.
As someone pointed out,there is no democracy in Iraq,none in Afghanistan,and is on the ropes here in America due to the traitor Zionist MSM support of crummy pols who fellate those criminals,destroy our Constitution and give US poison crumbs and promote idiots like Gingrich,Perry,Romney,and Bachmann.
And isn’t it just disgusting,the temerity of all the world’s actors critiquing such noble efforts as Cast Lead,Fallujah,Libya and every other redrum action by criminals of dubious intellect such as the Shrub,Yahoo and Obomba.(endless)
Calling Dr.Paul!Emergency in the body politic!

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 24 2011 14:31 utc | 21

PS 15@: Good synopsis of the current and ongoing policies adopted by the “New World Order.”

Posted by: ben | Dec 24 2011 16:16 utc | 22

anyone who thinks US/IS is interested in bringing democracy to the ME has got rocks for brains.
i’ve had some comments caught in this ‘trap’ too. they say they’ve been posted and then when i revisit they aren’t around. nothing vital, just thought i would mention.

Posted by: annie | Dec 24 2011 16:20 utc | 23

Sometimes the comments seem to over complicate matters. Roger’s original comment seems to have set such interaction in motion.
It is ludicrous to attach altruistic intent on the meddling we engage in regarding middle eastern affairs. Were our politicians motivated by humane concerns, our foreign policies would be quite different, and universally applied. Further, these pieces of SHIT in Washington DC, our community of so-called “think tanks”, the military and intelligence communities, and the media pundits that cheerlead for them, would not have to feed us a constant line of pure unmittigated horseshit to justify these policies.
Bottom line, if we are fuckin’ with your country, odds are a bunch of you are going to die, starve, get tortured, or live in the excrement left behind by corporate looting. Who, in the middle east, is better off, enjoying more freedom, or better fed, due to the last two decades of American military adventurism, and covert tampering?
Ask a Christian in Iraq when was the last time they could openly, without fear, celebrate the birth of the Christ child.

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Dec 24 2011 16:46 utc | 24

Well, Roger, there is a much easier way to go about the frequent business of exposing b’s little “Arab Spring” game.
When the shit was going down in Egypt, b was massively unconcerned about US involvement in backing the anti-Mubarak opposition since at least 2008. We know this from the Bradley Manning leaks.
We also know that the US employed propaganda resources to assist Syrian “rebels.” we know this from the Bradley Manning leaks as well. On the other hand, we also know that the US is none too eager to see Syria slide into political chaos. Iit was only until July this year that the State Department began to tentatively support the rebellion.
b just fucking picks and chooses evidence to feed his anti-US ideology.

Posted by: slothrop | Dec 24 2011 17:56 utc | 25

And besides, earnest annie was told by a a Syrian expat taxi driver that people love the regime.
Game. Set. Match. Bitches.

Posted by: slothrop | Dec 24 2011 18:01 utc | 26

Roger, you keep saying “totalitarian”. I don’t think it means what you think. Are our bankers and corporadoes not totalitarians in their own right. As for “democracy”, this is comic book talk. Look around, nobody voted for all this agro.

Posted by: ruralito | Dec 24 2011 18:22 utc | 27

Iranian currency plunges to record low
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/21/world/middleeast/currency-plunge-roils-iran-as-further-sanctions-loom.html
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-22/iranians-rush-to-buy-gold-dollars-as-sanctions-tighten-grip.html
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f1c8a4d4-2be0-11e1-b194-00144feabdc0.html

Posted by: Paul | Dec 24 2011 20:16 utc | 28

If the USA establishment were truly interested in spreading democracy, it would have long ago persuaded its kissing cousins in Saudi Arabia to abolish their he-reditary monarchy.
Obama’s top foreign policy achievements in 2011 were preserving the monarchy in Bahrain and the military government in Egypt.

Posted by: Watson | Dec 25 2011 1:16 utc | 29

slothrop @ 25-26: Nice to see you back. Bet you go to the movies and root for the bullies.

Posted by: ben | Dec 25 2011 1:22 utc | 30

On the other hand, we also know that the US is none too eager to see Syria slide into political chaos.
the US would like nothing more than for syria to slide into political chaos.
Iit was only until July this year that the State Department began to tentatively support the rebellion.
july? what is this some kind of joke? you’re off your game sloth:
We also know that the US employed propaganda resources to assist Syrian “rebels.” we know this from the Bradley Manning leaks as well.
cough. manning was arrested in May 2010, iow you own statement re july 2011 is completely refuted by the timeline.
b just fucking picks and chooses evidence to feed his anti-US ideology.
lol, coming from the grand master of political subterfuge this is overflowing w/hypocricy! do you also think b busting open the neocon bs wrt nanodiamonds, him being renownedly recognized as the first person to call it, or b first in calling the drone scenario was also just ‘choosing evidence to feed his anti-US ideology’
give us a break sloth!

And besides, earnest annie was told by a a Syrian expat taxi driver that people love the regime.
Game. Set. Match. Bitches.

game match my fucking ass. you’re a joke. you’ve games nothing but master of bloviation.
why don’t you go chew on this. the US wasted millions of dollars and over a decade on mkultra, abducts and tortures people, often at random (which has been confirmed) but would never in a million years target any nutjobs they could brainwash to carry out nefarious bombings..never…becasue like..we’re too normal..unlike the islamists you so abhor..so like when we go into alliance w/ex gitmo guy, someone we previously tortured and confined, it should never assumed we’d actually manipulate anything we learned in torture to our advantage. why? becasue we’re moral sloth..and we do not do that. the upshot is every henious crime in this war on terror, belongs to them. because…we(the US) would never pick and choose.
Game. Set. Match. Bitch.
and a merry christmas all.

Posted by: annie | Dec 25 2011 5:50 utc | 31

Annie, having had successfully managed to get me banned from Mondoweiss, (without explanation from Philip or Adam, despite my repeated queries), do you ever recognize that you silenced someone with the same basic goals and opinions that you have?
Please post the following link on the Ron Paul thread over at Mondo, seeing as how you have seen to it that I am unable to do so.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/grappling-with-ron-pauls-racist-newsletters/250206/

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Dec 25 2011 15:54 utc | 32

Situation in Syria:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gic4olcSYg4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzXvpBiTRhk

Posted by: Paul | Dec 26 2011 0:54 utc | 33

Do you suppose that anyone in the Syria government is reading US Army Field Manual 3-24, Counterinsurgency? This is an insurgency, right? And insurgencies have to be put down, correct? Like in Iraq and Afghanistan?
On second thought perhaps it’s not an insurgency, but a massacre of peaceful protesters or maybe a revolt, ‘cuz Syria is anti-U.S. government and pro-Hezbollah. Makes all the difference.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 26 2011 2:05 utc | 34

(without explanation from Philip or Adam, despite my repeated queries)
poa, if you going to drag this obsession of yours on to yet another site, along with your fantasies about my power to ban people on mondoweiss (a power i do not have, nor ever had) there is nothing i can do about it, but i won’t be responding to this fixation of yours anymore.

Posted by: annie | Dec 26 2011 5:13 utc | 35

@Uncle as among other things having the preview and post buttons greyed out and not being able to post at all.
The “Post” and “Preview” button only light up when something is typed into the comment box. This to prevent empty comments. If you just paste something into the comment box the algorithm doesn’t notice it. Past and add a space or some other letter and you are fine.
(Still looking into the other issue of vanishing comments – never happened to me so I don’t know what it is.)

Posted by: b | Dec 27 2011 15:41 utc | 36

As for the “peaceful protesters” in Homs see this picture. RPG, heavy machine gun, AK’s … very peaceful …

Posted by: b | Dec 27 2011 15:43 utc | 37

Hmmmm, missed this Sibel Edmonds piece. That’ll teach me not to check her site more often.
Edmonds and Pepe Escobar team up on Syria……
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/12/22/back-story-on-syria-sibel-edmonds-journalist-pepe-escobar/

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Dec 28 2011 14:29 utc | 38

“poa, if you going to drag this obsession of yours on to yet another site……blahblahblah…..”
Who’s obsessed? You get your panties in a wad because I call the sluts in DC “sluts”, write a long rant at me about it, and bingo, I can’t post at Mondo anymore. What would you think? ‘Course, the fact that Phil and Adam don’t have the integrity to openly explain to me the reason for my banishment doesn’t exactly cut my imagination out of the equation when I posit as to the reasoning, does it?
The irony, to me, is Phil sniveling about how Daily Kos treated him, then turning around and treating comnmenters at his own blog the exact same way. If you had nothing to do with it, my apologies. But your denials, sans any explanation from the crew at Mondo, ring pretty hollow.

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Dec 28 2011 14:37 utc | 39

Proton Soup said: “Roger, i think you’re completely missing the point. you don’t necessarily have to be “for” one football team if you’re noticing that another team is committing fouls. us/them, good/bad, dem/rep – these are the tools of propaganda. ”
My point exactly. slothrop’s point as well. b makes his pro-Syrian government/anti-Syrian protestors (now rebellion) bias clear in his ease in believing Syrian government reports while disputing reports by anyone else – including the UN. His framing of this as violence on the Security forces rather than by the security forces also shows his bias. Granted that there is violence by the opposition now… frankly it was pretty long in coming… there was quite a long time of peaceful protests broken up by live gun fire, arrests/disappearances, and torture and murder by the government. Somehow the government’s long track record of ruthlessness as well as disinformation doesn’t adversely affect b’s ability to believe any line the Syrian government puts out. This is what I am referring to. b presents it here and elsewhere like a Syrian government apologist – rather than a neutral observer who is willing to be suspicious of a government source of information and who might naturally be more trusting of a relatively neutral source like the UN. I’m not claiming that the current resistance in Syria is peaceful (though I have serious doubts that they were behind the suicide bombings) at this late date… but to pin all blame on them is ridiculous and shows twisted view of things.
somebody said: “Roger, democracy is meaningless without religious tolerance and minority rights.”
agreed
“You can fight with Salafis against a dictator, however, after you won, it is very likely that you will have to fight the Salafis. If they have the mosques and the weapons and you got a pen, the outcome is clear. You killed for another dictatorship.
So, should Syrians kill each other for another dictatorship?”
I have my doubts about how it will go, but it is up to the Syrians. I’m not arguing for or against the wisdom of particular alliances. Sometimes such things work out, sometimes they don’t.
PissedOffAmerican said: “It is ludicrous to attach altruistic intent on the meddling we engage in regarding middle eastern affairs. ”
Agreed. It is also ludicrous to automatically attach evil intent to all such endeavors. Sometimes we do good – perhaps only because it aligns with strategic interest, but good never the less. WWII is an easy example. I would suggest that Kosovo and Somalia and Afghanistan were at least attempts at good – however mismanaged. Iraq (both now and in the past – several times) and blind support of Israel, not so much.
ruralito said: “Roger, you keep saying “totalitarian”. I don’t think it means what you think. Are our bankers and corporadoes not totalitarians in their own right. As for “democracy”, this is comic book talk. Look around, nobody voted for all this agro.”
You present a false dilemma. If I am against the dictatorship of Syria this does not mean that I favor unlimited corporate power in the U.S. Quite a leap you make there. Think of democracy as an ideal that no one has reached… I favor going that direction. I don’t have illusions that the Syrians are going to get completely there this generation (not a secular democracy, no doubt)… nor do I have illusions that the U.S. democracy is close to perfect. It’s not. (and it’s getting worse)
annie said: “why don’t you go chew on this. the US wasted millions of dollars and over a decade on mkultra, abducts and tortures people, often at random (which has been confirmed) but would never in a million years target any nutjobs they could brainwash to carry out nefarious bombings..never…becasue like..we’re too normal..unlike the islamists you so abhor..so like when we go into alliance w/ex gitmo guy, someone we previously tortured and confined, it should never assumed we’d actually manipulate anything we learned in torture to our advantage. why? becasue we’re moral sloth..and we do not do that. the upshot is every henious crime in this war on terror, belongs to them. because…we(the US) would never pick and choose.”
And here it is again… the assumption that to be pro-democracy one must be pro-anyone-who-doesn’t-like-the-U.S…. even to the point of inferring that the U.S. is worse than islamists. Granted that at times U.S. operatives – even the leadership – has done abhorant things including torture and murder… One minor difference, though, might be that the Islamists actually embrace such acts as noble and moral and patriotic. Realize the distinction, by the way, between Islamists and Muslims. Islamists being the murderous fanatics. But alas, like Hezbollah, they are anti-U.S…. and therefore, according to some here, the good guys.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 28 2011 21:29 utc | 40

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