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November 19, 2011

Sensible Police Tactics Against Occupiers


"Lt. John Pike of UC Davis defends himself against an ongoing attack by radical left wing students camouflaged with hoods."

Or whatever the media will make out of this ...

But as one can see at the end of the video the occupiers are winning this match.

Posted by b on November 19, 2011 at 9:47 UTC | Permalink


Note to OWS participants.
Your video camera is your friend. Don't leave home without it.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 19 2011 12:20 utc | 1

@1, wrong....absolutely wrong. The video camera, i.e. the i-phone, is not your friend, it is part of your shackles.

I have a different take on the "Revolution Will Not Be Televised" theme. Any REAL Revolution, or more importantly, any REAL Evolution, cannot be televised because the entanglement of "televising" in and of itself, must be part and parcel of what must be rejected and jettisoned.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 19 2011 14:26 utc | 2

The $40 SD cam in the glove box can't make phone calls but it can (and has) come in handy as a credible witness. In a tight spot, the cam could be sacrificed and the SD card concealed.
Post-Mavi Marmara, the IOF's supremacist thugs seem to have traded Schadenfreude for SD inspired caution.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 19 2011 15:01 utc | 3

I am really astonished that the people around in that video haven't hit back at the police. I can not imagine any demonstration in Germany, and I have been at quite a few, where such behavior by the police would not be immediately punished with a riot.

Then again, the demonstrators clearly won the moral battle here. A riot would not have served that purpose.

BTW: There is another huge battle over Tahrir right now. Seems like the people there do not like their revolution to be stolen by the military and elite.

Posted by: b | Nov 19 2011 17:23 utc | 4

I am really astonished that the people around in that video haven't hit back at the police.

With due respect, b, if they hit back they would no longer qualify as non-violent protesters. That's what makes n-vp so effing difficult - and heroic in a quietly persistent way.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 19 2011 18:15 utc | 5

I've been to #Occupy protests in Oz twice so far. I don't go to protest. I'm in my dotage and prefer not to be beaten or manhandled. I go there to encourage and thank them for putting themselves in harm's way on behalf of people they're unlikely to ever meet.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 19 2011 18:35 utc | 6

Well, Morocco, yes.... However it all hinges on what a movement like OWS and it’s offshoots or joiners can achieve, in the eyes of various beholders. My posts if a bit confused at times, all go in the direction of fighting and acting, at least somewhat, or almost entirely, within the frame of the present system, e.g. I mentioned a Third Party, setting up own TV station, etc. Because I don’t see OWS and co. as a revolutionary force of any kind whatsoever - not in aims, demands, in ideology, in cohesion, in strategy, in potential, etc. Therefore, the best that can be done is accept at least part of the present arrangements, while refusing or transforming others. Old story.

Second, no matter what, whatever channels can be used for communication or propaganda, should be so, self-imposed handicaps are absurd. The only exception is maintaining secrecy, but to do that you need knowledge of all the rest...and need to exploit the existing in a new way or invent something different.

The Tea Party has thrown the Repubs in disarray and pushed the agenda in confused directions to the ‘right’: of course it is not comparable as they have powerful support from behind the scenes. Which is another reason for taking over power where one can.

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 19 2011 19:45 utc | 7

here is a link to contact the UC Davis police office:

please give them your feedback - especially those of you outside the USA... I imagine getting grief from foreigners might make them realize that they are being watched closely.

Posted by: Susan | Nov 19 2011 23:39 utc | 8

Fotos statt Vopos.

That's some graffiti I remember being on the Berlin Wall, near the Brandenburg Gate, back in the day. I have the picture somewhere.

Yes, the camera is a good friend.

Posted by: nobodee | Nov 20 2011 0:53 utc | 9

noch etwas...

Davis Faculty Association wants the chancellor of UC Davis to resign.

This is the post on their blog.

Posted by: nobodee | Nov 20 2011 1:01 utc | 10

BTW: There is another huge battle over Tahrir right now.

here's a good new video fresh, just posted about an hr ago.

Posted by: annie | Nov 20 2011 3:15 utc | 11

the UC davis thing has gone viral. nyt posted the video.

i was impressed at the powerful unification of the students yelling them down.

Posted by: annie | Nov 20 2011 3:17 utc | 12

YouTube Video Prompts Calls for UC Davis Chancellor’s Resignation

Vid and story...

Never saw it from this angle, (until now) it is so much more emotional from this view than the other I saw.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 20 2011 3:50 utc | 13

Who's coordinating crackdowns on Occupy Wall Street?

The San Francisco Bay Examiner reports that, although there was rampant speculation about Homeland Security's role in Occupy Wall Street crackdowns across the nation given multiple police force's paramilitary actions, the Feds are not directly involved. Instead, planning has been facilitated by an affiliated non-profit organization called Police Executive Research Forum, aka PERF.
But what exactly is PERF?
here: Our glorious new public/private partnership military industrial police complex

From the comments:

This is reminiscent of the "Association of Chief Police Officers" in England. ACPO was an unaccountable organization (that is, not in a Police Force line management scheme, nor under Parliamentary control) which ran a network of long-standing embedded undercover police acting as embedded agent provocateurs within environmental and other groups, to the extent of having multi year sexual relationships with activists, obviously under false pretences.
( e.g.,2. )

The shadowy unaccountability of PERF seems to mesh with a general strategy of co-ordinating behaviour through third parties in order to provide a veneer of ""plausible deniability for decisions made not in the public interest.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 20 2011 7:24 utc | 14

Perp Walk? the silence is eerie..

Also, Pepper Sprayed Davis Undergrad Speaks Out, Says Chancellor Ignored Her, Hasn’t Reached Out At All

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 20 2011 7:48 utc | 15

Requesting info on Clark Lytle Geduldig & Cranford, an "advocacy group" who apparently feel that:

"It may be easy to dismiss OWS as a ragtag group of protesters but they have demonstrated that they should be treated more like an organized competitor who is very nimble and capable of working the media, coordinating third party support and engaging office holders to do their bidding. To counter that, we have to do the same."

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 20 2011 9:21 utc | 16

Following on Monolycus post above...

6 Burning Questions About the Violent Crackdowns on Occupations Around the Country In the aftermath of a city-by-city crackdown featuring hundreds of arrests and evictions of Occupy encampments, plenty of questions demand answers.

6 Burning Questions About the Violent Crackdowns on Occupations Around the Country
By Lynn Parramore, AlterNet

Occurring without provocation, the Occupy crackdown gives the appearance of an orchestrated effort to thwart an emerging protest movement. Early morning Tuesday, in New York City, hundreds of police officers, many in riot gear, swept down on Zuccotti Park, throwing away private property, restricting press and using aggressive tactics to remove protesters and supporters. Here are some things we’d really like to know.

1. Who convened the mayors call? In an interview with the BBC, Oakland Mayor Jean Quan alluded to her participation in a conference call with leaders of 18 US cities just prior to the raids on encampments across the country. Mayors' associations do exist, but they do not typically organize police interventions or local decision-making in such detail. Given the abuses of the past, such as the notorious COINTELPRO and other intervention programs that the U.S. government organized during the Vietnam protests, the public has a right to know the details of who organized that call.

2. Was there an attempt to control press coverage? New Yorkers awoke to front-page stories and photographs in both the New York Post and the New York Daily News. Coverage by the two papers was supportive of the mayor and the police actions but disparaging toward the protesters. An AlterNet reporter, arriving on the scene at 1:30am, shortly after the raid began, could get nowhere near Zuccotti Park due to police barricades (and was subjected to pepper spray while attempting to report on events). How did the friendly reporters gain their access? Was there advance coordination to allow certain media outlets access and block the rest? Why was press access restricted? Were some reporters' credentials confiscated? How will reports of unwarranted force on the part of police toward the press be addressed?

3. What, if any, was the role of the White House? Who was in charge of following the nationwide Occupy crackdown at the White House? What does President Obama, the man who celebrated the uprisings in Egypt (and who is currently out of the US, in Asia), think about the raids and the encroachments on the civil liberties of peacefully protesting Americans? As a constitutional scholar, what is his view of the restrictions of the press and the arrests of journalists?

4. Was the Department of Homeland Security involved in the raids? Filmmaker Michael Moore tweeted this question, asking if the Department may have given the green-light to the raid. The DHS has been reportedly following Occupy Wall Street Twitter feeds and other social media networks. Did it play any role in the crackdown?

5. What, if any, was the role of the FBI? Suggestions are circulating that the FBI and other federal agencies may have advised local law enforcement agencies on how to conduct the raids and even how to handle press relations. Did this happen? Was there any coordinating of arrests across the country on the part of the FBI?

6. Where are the libertarians? In the face of all the clamor about “states' rights,” local government and the Constitution, we want to know where all the libertarians have suddenly gone. It’s enough to drive you to drink an emergency cup of tea.

Lynn Parramore is an AlterNet contributing editor.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 20 2011 9:38 utc | 17

Re: Clark, Lytle & Geduldig from

Interesting note: On the Revolving Door...

Cranford, Jay N III
Clark, Lytle & Geduldig
Former Policy Advisor (Boehner), House Majority Leader

Pryce, Deborah
Clark, Lytle & Geduldig
Former Member, US House of Representatives

Geduldig, Sam K

2011- Clark & Assoc
Revolving Door Personnel: (2) Firm lobbying profile
2007-2011 Clark, Lytle & Geduldig
Revolving Door Personnel: (3) Partner Firm lobbying profile
2001-2003 House Financial Services Committee
Revolving Door Personnel: (54) Director of Coalitions Cong Cmte profile
Blunt, Roy
Revolving Door Personnel: (12) Senior Advisor Member profile
Boehner, John
Revolving Door Personnel: (18) Senior Advisor Member profile
Oxley, Michael G
Revolving Door Personnel: (15) Senior Advisor Member profile
Public Opinion Strategies
Revolving Door Personnel: (1) Research Analyst

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 20 2011 10:20 utc | 18

The motherless bastard...I know who the brave ones are in that photo, and it's not the guy in the police outfit.

A disgrace to his profession...and the OWS people are a credit to the human spirit.


Posted by: don | Nov 20 2011 10:35 utc | 19

The "perp walk" of UC Davis Chancellor Katehi is really amazing.

Congratulations to the students!

Posted by: b | Nov 20 2011 10:36 utc | 20

yes, the students are really good:

"XJ: What do you want from Katehi, and the UC system?

W: I can't speak on behalf of the movement, I can only speak on behalf of myself. But I personally request that Chancellor Katehi and Lt. John Pike resign. We have a petition out there already. I request that a mechanism be set up for the impeachment of chancellors, and a system for democratic election of our chancellors. There is no good reason why students and faculty don't make that decision. Even when a chancellor makes a decision likes this, they feel safe, because they've been appointed by the regents, and the goal of the regents is to make more money. They sit on the boards of big institutions like Bank of America, they are the richest of the 1%, and they're using this institution to fatten their pockets and they're putting students into debt to do that."

Posted by: somebody | Nov 20 2011 11:39 utc | 21

The Arabist made a video at Tahrir and the surrounding streets.

People still fighting police after over 27 hours now. Many middle age people, not just "youth". Police is using much stronger teargas than in January/February.

Rumors of soldiers preparing to come in.

Will the military supreme guys use this to press down even more? Or will they give up their quest for primacy?

Posted by: b | Nov 20 2011 15:14 utc | 22


I was speaking this morning to relatives of mine in Egypt and they are saying the Army is now using Israeli teargas that is resistant to vinegar, etc. Do you know of any countermeasure that can be used. Lidia, a regular commenter on Arnold's site suggested onions. Any info would be much appreciated.

Posted by: Lysander | Nov 20 2011 21:41 utc | 23


Detailed and extensive practical advice hear at 'Occupied Palestine':

Encountering Tear Gas & Pepper Spray | Protection at Protests

10. Onions as Protection Against Tear Gas:

If you don’t have any vinegar or water-soaked bandanas, or may be around someone who doesn’t, carry an onion on you. If gassed, break it in half and sniff it, and get it close to your eyes….it greatly reduces the irritation in the eyes and nasal cavity. I Learned that from a photojournalist in Gaza.

Get each friend to carry an onion in their pocket before you head out...


Posted by: Outraged | Nov 20 2011 22:12 utc | 24

Another practical flyer/guide here:

Note instead of 'Maalox':

Baking soda and water works just as well (as maalox and water) and a $1 boxof soda would probably mix up 4 or 5 gallons of solution, and it is not sticky and probably not near as messy. In fact it could be carried in a water bottle and poured on the face immediately stopping much of the effect. Might try it in a nose spray bottle too.

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 20 2011 22:40 utc | 25

Onions won't repel Apache helicopters, and as you improvise defenses, the weaponry you must defend against will become deadlier, and more sophisticated. Pepper spray is only the beginning. To your adversaries you are little more than gnats.

I see the jackboots that deployed the pepper spray have been placed on "administrative leave". And the Chancellor Katehi has promised an inquiry that will be completed at the end of a month's passage of time. Well, what I saw was an ASSAULT, conducted by jackbooted thugs that had no authority, or right, to assault American citizens engaged in peaceful protest.

A lot can happen in one month, which is PRECISELY what the Katehi fascist is banking on. She will not resign, and the two criminals placed on "administrative leave" will simply be reassigned quietly, without their names being divulged, or realizing any serious repercussions for their actions. Its doubtful that any pay will be withheld from them.

THINK. Our ruling body saw this coming, and prepared for it through the legislative process. The Patriot Act. Even as we speak, bills are slithering forward that will seriously undermine our ability to harness the truth online, and spoon it out to the masses.

We think we are witnessing a "revolution"in the making? Wrong. What we have been witnessing, for some time now, is the dismantling of our national tenets and the facade of "representative government". While we were napping, fat and lazy, the criminals in DC harbored global designs and schemes that could never be realized through patriotism, moral policy, national allegiance, or concern for human rights. And the rule of law no longer applies to these elitist and sociopathic monsters now turning the screws in Washington DC. OWS is a feeble irritation to these people, and they will squash you like flies. The only hope for you would be a responsible Fourth Estate. Considering that no such entity exists, your efforts are futile. You are asking the very entity that you are rebelling against to tell your story, to present your greviences, in an unbiased and honest manner. Its not going to happen. You will be soundly demonized, with agent provocateurs placed in your midst to institute increasingly violent actions that can be attributed to the whole of you.

Neda served their designs. You do not. Tristan Anderson, Emily Henochowitz, these are American citizens that are the model of what you can expect fromn the media and the whores in DC that control it.

Pffffft. Just like swatting flies. Thats how much you matter to those that hold the power.

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Nov 20 2011 22:49 utc | 26

Street Medic Wikia (beta), the online resource for street medics that anyone can edit

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 20 2011 23:10 utc | 27

Lastly ...

m4t : Street Medics for Tahrir was created by international street medics in support of the uprisings and revolutions that began in Tunisia and have spread across North Africa and the Middle East. Street medics have provided medical aid to protesters in North America, Europe, and Australia for many years. The purpose of this site is to share information on protest safety, first aid and medical issues with our sisters and brothers in the Arabic-speaking world...

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 20 2011 23:22 utc | 28

This is how the algae in DC feels about you. You think you're going to clean up this scum by holding up signs and pitching tents?

Rep. Joe Walsh: Veterans at ‘Occupy Wall Street’ protests are anti-American

Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) on Saturday blasted the “Occupy Wall Street” movement and suggested it was a ploy to help re-elect Barack Obama in 2012.

“They don’t at all represent America and I think that the president and the White House and the Democrats kind of want to encourage it and now they’re scared because these folks are doing some pretty ugly things and now our Democratic politicians are conflicted,” he continued. “But its an anti-American, well funded left wing effort that may disrupt a lot of things next year, but they are clueless when it comes to what this country is all about and the rest of the country ought to educate them.”

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Nov 21 2011 0:19 utc | 29

This isn't just assault. It's a little torture here.

A little death there...

Wait until the drones, oh ,wait ...

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 21 2011 1:06 utc | 30

Here is the reality of what we are becoming, have become. Walsah has it wrong. It is SCUM like himself, and the traitors to our Constitution and the rule of law, like Levin and McCain, that are the true "anti-americans". You will not stop these slobbering fascists with signs and tents.

There’s been a lot of controversy around two specific sections of Senate Bill S. 1253 “The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)” that was rushed to the Senate floor today. They are sections 1031 and 1032, which are both related to the detention of terror suspects. Section 1031 would apparently give the President the power to order the military to subject United States Citizens and other persons present in the United States to indefinite detention without trial or charge. The standards do not even require an allegation or proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the detained person caused harm to the United States. The minimal standards are mere membership or support of a recognized terrorist group. That means a Christian relief worker could end up in indefinite military detention without charge or trial for giving food or medical assistance to someone who turns out to have been a Taliban member or supporter. The new powers are not limited to threats to the United States either but to unspecific ‘coalition partners’. Section 1032 another very problematic section would put citizens and others detained in the United States under military control.

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Nov 21 2011 1:26 utc | 31

Beat them at their own game: Polish protesters send up ‘Robokopter’ drone to spy on police

Also, for those with the skills and patience and time to build one: A Net Gun could come in handy

Posted by: Juan Moment | Nov 21 2011 2:27 utc | 32

@ 31.
"You will not stop these slobbering fascists with signs and tents."

Walsh's public display of feeble-minded idiocy, in accusing Vets of being anti-American, is encouraging evidence that the right-wing cranks defending the interests of the 1% have lost the plot.

It should strike everyone with a functioning brain as oddly dissonant that right-wingers who not so long ago were demanding unqualified respect and reverence for "our troops" have now stooped to smearing them in the interests of temporary convenience.

If #OWS sticks to the principles off non-violent protest and is successfully and publicly crushed by violence, what rises from the wreckage will make the 1% wish they had listened to the warnings inherent in the message of #OWS.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 21 2011 2:33 utc | 33

Outraged, thanks a lot. I will pass it on. I don't know if they've tried the maalox/water solution.

PissedoffAmerican, you are right about our leaders. The first step, though, is exposing the true nature of the state as the mafia protection racket it is. That it is built on force and the democracy, voting, elections, etc were always the facade that fooled the gullible. Step one is tear down the facade. Then we will see about step two.

Posted by: Lysander | Nov 21 2011 3:08 utc | 34

Posted by: Uncle | Nov 21 2011 4:02 utc | 35

Boo! Tera Tera Tera!

Posted by: Uncle | Nov 21 2011 4:43 utc | 36

@POA #26:

Katehi is 'little people' too. She is cooked. It may be just an empty gesture, like prosecuting B. Madoff or Martha Stewart, but she is done. I'm a bit shocked that you don't see it that way. You seem sharp, but you must know that anyone in public office is disposable.

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Nov 21 2011 5:40 utc | 37

Great idea - Pepper spray art

Posted by: b | Nov 21 2011 10:53 utc | 39

Pepper spray art becomes a new phenomenon:

Not sure I find this funny.

Posted by: b | Nov 21 2011 19:04 utc | 40

"Katehi is 'little people' too. She is cooked"

Well, she sure is equivicating. I'm not so sure she's as "innocent" as you imply. Its not like she didn't have the Berkelely model of what might happen if the jackboots got sent in. The whole pepper spray thing was predictable, and the Badge Bastards shoulda been briefed beforehand about not getting too heavy handed.

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Nov 22 2011 0:34 utc | 41

"I'm not so sure she's as "innocent" as you imply."

Oh, no implication of innocence! She's scum for sure. A tool in the drawer that has been recently bent out of useful shape. Trouble is, her bosses are sitting somewhere muttering among themselves "Damn! That didn't work AGAIN! We better try the SAME thing AGAIN!" They have an endless roll of quarters to keep plugging into this game...madness!

BTW, I do value your posts. It's always good to see another facet of opinion from within the beast. Wish I was viewing from outside, like many happy Moonies here!

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Nov 22 2011 3:40 utc | 42

An ambulance attendant friend tells me that they treat pepper spray victims with Johnson's Baby Shampoo. The pepper spray is "quite greasy" and the shampoo is safe to use on the face and eyes, so they wash the victim's entire face and then rinse with saline solution.

Posted by: jonku | Nov 22 2011 21:22 utc | 43

@ b re: "Not sure I find this funny." (comment #40)

The images by themselves are no "funnier" than any standard photoshop spoof, and given the subject matter, less funny than most of those. What is fucking hilarious is that the act of making the photo iconic in this way trivializes the jackbooted authorities and co-opts the fear they are trying to instill in the public with their heavy-handed acts of aggression and suppression. It makes the police appear buffoonish and lessons the calculated psychological deterrent impact of their presence. I applaude the circulation of this image in each of its permutations unreservedly.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 23 2011 10:37 utc | 44

The best defense against pepper spray is a Masonic ring. Make sure the cop sees it. Moving along.

"The policies they advocate ... range from the silly to the disastrous. They are inconsistent, foolish and hypocritical. Many of them are lazy freeloaders."

"Enlighten us: What will a 'genuine' people's movement look like, if not just like this?...It will avoid the Communist symbolism and focus on the Fed and not capitalism."

More government ops.

Posted by: YRB | Nov 24 2011 20:57 utc | 45

While not as "shocking" as the headline implies (seriously... is any of this actually news to anyone at this point...?), the continued coverage is always welcome.

Besides, a little faux "shock" might be what the doctor ordered here. Most of the abuses I've seen in the past decade or so have been enabled by cynical shrugs of collective shoulders. So, yeah, if it'll help, I'll pretend to be shocked, too.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 27 2011 12:47 utc | 46

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