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November 2, 2011
Germany And The Euro Crisis

After the wall in Berlin collapsed, Germany paid a lot to integrate its east. It took 10+ years, up to the mid 2000nds, and cost West Germany some €1.5 trillion. Despite higher taxes, a "solidarity surtax" of first 7.5% and now still 5.5% of the regular income tax, Germany had to borrow from the outside and ran a deficit higher than allowed under Euro rules. It also had to cope with relative high unemployment.

The government tried to correct this by preventing wage growth and by lowering social welfare payments. These "structural reforms" worked as intended but went too far and had negative side effects.

Consumption in Germany stagnated but competitiveness of its products on the world markets increased and unemployment decreased. The current account deficit (table in German) of some €30-40 billion per year in the 1990s turned into a current account surplus of some €120 billion per year. The "structural reforms" as implemented had been pressed too far.

Germany's regained super competitiveness and surplus, created by suppressing wages, also made it a big lender to other countries who used the borrowed money to buy German goods.

In normal foreign trade relations between independent countries the one borrowing the money will, over time, devalue its currency and thereby increase its competitiveness and decrease its current account deficit. (The not-so-nice and thereby seldomly taken alternative is to default.)

But the countries in Europe that opted into the Euro do not have the ability to devalue their currency. The only way they could have stayed competitive with Germany would have been to also implement some Germany-like "structural reforms". But to do so is, understandably, quite unpopular and their government's did not have the "East Germany integration" argument the German government made to its people. Instead they continued to borrow money from Germany to buy German goods.

Which brings us to the current situation of financial instabilities in the Euro zone. Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal all have rather lax attitudes to paying taxes. Crisis or not – those will have to be fixed.

Their people enjoyed the Euro as it brought them higher incomes. They bought houses and goods on cheep credit throughout the last decade and ran high current account deficits financed by the German current account surplus.

The imbalance between a German current account surplus and current account deficits in other European countries will now have to change.

(The recent financial crisis and recession during which the states took some private debt onto their balance sheet only is not the original fault here but exacerbated this situation. The general problem within the Euro zone would be the same without it and would have led, though likely with a few years delay, to the same situation that we see right now.)

Unfortunately the current German government does not get it. Merkel wants to keep German wages down, its competitiveness high and she wants to keep a high current account surplus. At the same time she does not want to finance other countries deficits.

This can obviously not work.

The easiest way to solve this whole dilemma is for Germany to lower consumption taxes and to let wages increase. This would lead to less German competitiveness and over time to balanced current accounts. Germans would make more vacations in the southern Euro countries and would buy more goods from them. But Merkel's neoliberal instincts and the German finance and industry lobbies are against this. They only care for short term profits, not for a long term balanced development.

This position will blow up into Merkel's face. She has forgotten the "Paradox of debtors prison". Putting debtors into jail takes away their ability to make an income and to pay down their debt. Putting Greece through austerity programs does the same. Greece will simply be unable to pay its debt and will default.

With Italy, Spain and Portugal to follow such defaults and the following depressions in those countries will damage Germany, and the profitability of its companies, much more than higher wages for its workers and a bit less competitiveness would do.

Unfortunately it currently seems unlikely that such insight will reach the German officialdom before the whole issue blows up.

Comments

The general problem within the Euro zone would be the same without it and would have led, though likely with a few years delay, to the same situation that we see right now
We need a socio-economic arrangement that recognizes that most of us won’t be able to have a decent life unless all of us can have a decent life.

Posted by: Watson | Nov 2 2011 19:36 utc | 1

In my opinion this is a German centric analysis of the crisis based on the usual generalizations on whole ‘countries’ and regions (bad lazy southerners vs good hard working northerners).
For example the Spanish government didn’t borrow a single centime from Germany as it was running budget surpluses up to the 2008 banking crisis when the credit markets become frozen and the same time the ECB started raising its lending rate to reduce inflation in Germany (high inflation in other parts of the Euro zone was ignored for years as Germany needed low lending rates to fuel their surplus economy, the ECB mandate clearly benefiting only the German economy). Both events produced the burst of the large real state bubble and the budget surplus obviously became a deficit due to reduced taxes incomes, unemployment and anti-cyclic expending (at the start of the crisis all governments being a ‘keynessian’ rather than ‘aust(e)rian’).
The cheap credit went not to the government but to private banks and people for real state investment. And that cheap credit was a direct product of pro-German ECB policies. I don’t know how any country, even if the government was interested on doing so (which none was), even more with the limited economic sovereign in the EU zone, could have stopped that flow of cheap credit. The credit obviously found a way to flow, in each country, to someplace where to go to waste: real state, government malinvesting, ‘creative’ finance, …
Obviously now that every government has to become an ‘aust(e)rian’ and apply even more crude neoliberal policies forced from the ECB, Germany and its proxies taxes can’t no longer effectively levied and reducing the deficit becomes an almost impossible task as GDP (the economy) is destroyed faster than you can increase the income or reduce the expenses.
The problem is and continues to be a single one: a system that was designed for and by Germany, and those lesser powers that dance around it. A system that has been reiteratively gamed by Germany and France to their own benefit. And now Germany still pretends against all odds to have the cake and eat it by recovering make its banks whole from ‘bad credits’ (at the expense of getting out of the crisis) while imposing their ‘austerity’ religion on the backward lazy southerners.

Posted by: ThePaper | Nov 2 2011 20:52 utc | 2

Nice piece. Aber “von jemandem borgen” heisst “borrow” nicht lend.

Posted by: davidly | Nov 2 2011 21:47 utc | 3

B, your English is nearly always fabulous. But on occasion here you write “lend” when I think you mean “borrow”

Posted by: Helena | Nov 2 2011 21:59 utc | 4

ok, let’s use “loan” then :-))
basically you cannot have one currency and 23 different economic policies, so either Euro countries unify their economies, trade unions, pensions, child benefits, social security, taxes, labor laws, health services, bonds, loans, government investments etc. or this is not going to work.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 2 2011 22:16 utc | 5

@1, we need to define what a decent life really means in very concrete, identifiable terms, not some vague, abstract notion.
Does a decent life mean moderate Western Materialism? If so, that is not possible for 7 billion people.
It’s really what’s at play here in regards to the Eurozone Bubble bursting and many other Bubbles bursting across the globe. These things can’t be re-inflated….at least not for any length of time. The resources are not there for infinite growth, and the current globalized economic system is based off of growth, so it is not equipped to confront the implications of a permanently contracting worldwide economy.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 2 2011 22:30 utc | 6

As an Irish guy I’m impressed that Papandreou actually grew a spine?
Ok so the deal was that Greece would implement another round of crippling Austerity and in return the bankers would take a 50% haircut on their bad investments. This austerity though is killing Greece, which has already cut spending to the bone. Read yesterday that some government employees have seen their wages drop 60% with a further 30,000 nurses, doctors, police laid off. The state run railway has been virtually sold off to a Chinese company and unemployment is hitting 17% (42% for 18-25 year olds). So what exactly is left to cut?
Papandreou by putting it up to a popular vote is ensuring that the deal is not accepted. Then Greece will default and burn the bankers for 100% of the Investment, probably get kicked out of EU but that will allow them to devalue their currency and get their house in order. Honestly should have been done back in 2009 and saved 3 years of pointless pain. Ireland should have done it as well.
On Europe itself. Wow what a clusterf_ck. The European Union is obviously serving the interests of banks as are leaders like Cameron and Sarkozy (who played hardball with Merkel because of Societe Generale being on the hook for loads of that Greek debt).
But here is the rub. Any person interested in foreign policy knows that for Europe to have any effect on Geo-politics it needs to be a united entity. In a world where Europe is surronded by huge states like Russia, China, India, US, the only option we have is to merge in which case we could be as influential as any of them. Divided we are to small to compete against these giants. But on Economic policy the EU has shown itself to be merely interested in the banks and an anti-democratic system at that (I still remember voting No to the Lisbon Treaty and then the EU ordering Ireland to vote a second time when the No vote won).
Europe needs to be united but not this current system.

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Nov 3 2011 0:22 utc | 7

and in return the bankers would take a 50% haircut on their bad investments
Well, that’s the official story, but of course, the devil is in the details. These folks aren’t in the business of taking haircuts…..other people get the haircuts for them, so until we see an objective and independent appraisal of the so-called deal/offer, I’m not believing they’re taking a haircut.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 3 2011 0:56 utc | 8

nice post b, only thing is that in Italy we missed that “higher incomes” bit; must have been distracted – or maybe it’s that old “statistics” trick
anyways, the introduction of the Euro brought in Italy a strong inflation (unreflected in statistics, obviously) and a lowering of the standard of living right at the start
on the Euro-straightjacket: it’s only one of the many aspects of current economic policies: a zero-sum game, where the stronger gets richer, and the promise of greater prosperity for all is constantly receding on the horizon
@Cynthia on another thread, but relevant here, too: debt can’t enslave whole populations; what will happen is that debtors, at a certain point, won’t pay any more; that’s why the Ecb, the Imf etc are getting hysterical on the matter of privatizations: they have to tranform credit in tangible goods (real estate, public utilities, etc) before it’s too late

Posted by: claudio | Nov 3 2011 0:56 utc | 9

The state run railway has been virtually sold off to a Chinese company
Wow! A sign of things to come. I wonder who will buy the White House? Of course, metaphorically speaking, it already has gone to the highest bidder….until a higher one comes along, that is.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 3 2011 0:59 utc | 10

before it’s too late
It is already too late. This is the time between the lighting and the thunder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSep7QJXKlE

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 3 2011 1:08 utc | 11

@MB –

I wonder who will buy the White House? Of course, metaphorically speaking, it already has gone to the highest bidder….

why “metaphorically”? campaign contributions are public …

Posted by: claudio | Nov 3 2011 1:15 utc | 12

@12, I was talking about the physical building itself since you yourself said “they have to transform credit into tangible goods (real estate, public utilities, etc).” The term White house, of course, is metaphor for the U.S. Government, or at least the Executive Branch.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 3 2011 1:53 utc | 13

At Colm in #7. The idea of a Europe as a unified and independent entity is fine and all, but from what I’ve seen so far, the EU has basically been a subsidiary of the United States. Policy independent of the US is hard to find. Even when “old” Europe opposed the Iraq invasion, the US still was able to use European bases.
Also, I’m not sure against whom a united Europe needs to defend. Russia is in no position to invade anyone. Economic dominance is even more far fetched. China is too far away. And at anyrate, since even the smallest European country can build nuclear weapons if they wanted too, wars of domination are out of the question for anyone.
It seems to me that Europe would benefit from open borders and free movement of citizens and free trade within Europe. A currency union is of no benefit, but if you want one, why not adopt a gold standard that cannot be manipulated to the advantage of one country over another?

Posted by: Lysander | Nov 3 2011 2:50 utc | 14

Lysander is right: united Europe is considerably less than its parts, an appendage to the United States without any influence in the world.
But most of what Colm says I agree with: Greece should default in an orderly manner by suspending interest payments, auditing the debt and then settling with creditors.
The 50% haircut proposal treats all debt as equal, which is what banks want. What they are afraid of is the repudiation of odious debt: debt contracted illegally, improperly or for immoral purposes (a war of aggression for example) and debt with kickbacks.
We know that much of the debt, contracted through Goldman Sachs, involved the deliberate deceit of both the Greek people and the EU. To repay such debt is to encourage criminal behaviour. (Which is equally true of paying debt contracted by other govermnments for the Iraq war.)
The same route is also open to the plain people of Ireland: the only problem there being that one suspects that any audit of the debts they are being required to shoulder would reveal shocking detail of tghe deep-seated corruption of Fianna Fail and its dancing partners in the Dail.
As to b’s analysis it is indeed very German-centric and, in my humble opinion, underestimates the extent to which the Greek crisis is simply an excuse to break up the gains of the working class across Europe and going back for a century and a half. It is an assault on the living standards and socio-political power of working people on a par with the fascist movements of the inter war years.
If the troika’s proposals are implemented in Greece, wages in Germany will plummet. It is a triumph for the propagandists of Capitalism that millions of Germans are being tricked into supporting policies which spell their doom, and poverty for their children.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 3 2011 3:18 utc | 15

“Lysander is right: united Europe is considerably less than its parts, an appendage to the United States without any influence in the world.”
Anyone seeking evidence of this should contemplate the person of Catherine Ashley, the EU Foreign “Minister” and the role that Europe now plays in the Palestinian question. Never have Europe’s views been of so little account, never have they been so close to the lunatic policies of the USA.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 3 2011 3:22 utc | 16

A couple of years ago a popular talkback radio host quipped:
“Economists were invented to make astrology look good.”

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 3 2011 4:11 utc | 17

on occasion here you write “lend” when I think you mean “borrow”
Sorry – corrected.
this is a German centric analysis of the crisis based on the usual generalizations on whole ‘countries’ and regions (bad lazy southerners vs good hard working northerners).
It is a German centric analysis because looking at Germany and what happened there in the last 20 years largely explains the current internal Euro imbalance. In case you didn’t notice, Germany IS the big guy in Europe by population size as well as economic capability – like it or not.
The analysis looks at countries because those are the decisive political entities. I did not write “lazy southerners” because they are not lazy. I wrote about tax evasion in the general public which is more a rule/habit in southern Europe than in northern Europe.
the Spanish government didn’t borrow a single centime from Germany as it was running budget
In the current account balance it does not make any difference if the state or private citizens borrow. Spain knew very well that it was running a housing bubble. This could have been stopped by restricting or at least adhering to building permit rules. Instead everyone and her friend build wherever they wanted – permit or not. The Spanish state can not ignore its culpability in that.
Europe needs to be united but not this current system.
Agreed. The Lisbon papers/process were a huge mistake. Under these Europe is neither united nor democratic.
nice post b, only thing is that in Italy we missed that “higher incomes” bit;
The higher incomes did not went to those with low ones. But I am doing a macro analysis in this piece
and on that level the stats say that income (not wages) in the South went up.
the EU has basically been a subsidiary of the United States.
Yep – the U.S. is doing this through certain small states (mostly in the East) who have an overweight influence in Brussels under current EU rules.

Posted by: b | Nov 3 2011 4:19 utc | 18

I do not believe in this Euro/Greece crisis. This crisis is being manufactured by the USA and Britain. My reasoning is this. The hydro carbon in the Aegean and mediterranean sea offshore Cyprus and Lebanon is huge. Currently Greece, Israel, Russia have the all the rights to the hydrocarbons. Lebanon has been cut off. USA wants to replace Russia. Turkey wants a share of the spoils in the Aegean, that’s why it is making noise about Israel and to get at Russia it is backing anti Syrian measures. Yet again the Zionist will have shafted Germany, the NordStream will be not be an energy hub what Germany had hoped for. Remember Israel has no official borders. HezB has said that it will attack platforms in Lebanon coastal waters. This my colleagues is the status why we are seeing the crisis. Far fetched I do not think so. The net worth of all the hydro carbons is put at trillions. Iran is caught, who does it support?
The Prime Minister of Greece is not even a Greek, he is an American of Jewish belief. He is working for the state of Israel and it’s Zionist members.

Posted by: hans | Nov 3 2011 10:38 utc | 19

@b #18 –

the EU has basically been a subsidiary of the United States.
Yep – the U.S. is doing this through certain small states (mostly in the East) who have an overweight influence in Brussels under current EU rules.

without forgetting the Uk’s incredible position of being a “decisor” with competing financial (and geopolitical) interests, not having adhered to the Euro; I think it was De Gaulle who defined it a Us trojan horse in the Eu

Posted by: claudio | Nov 3 2011 11:27 utc | 20

and in return the bankers would take a 50% haircut on their bad investments
Today’s Socialist Worker.
“Apparently the bankers had the kindness to write off 100 billion euros of debt. Yet the stock markets celebrated this so-called “haircut” for the banks by raising bank share prices by up to 15 percent the next day.
The explanation for this apparent contradiction is that the “haircut” deal is heavily biased. Pension funds in Greece that have invested heavily in government bonds will be penalised. But Greek debt to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and European Central Bank (ECB) will not be touched.”
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=26550
I have no idea if this is true. If so, it explains a lot.
The general problem within the Euro zone would be the same without it and would have led, though likely with a few years delay, to the same situation that we see right now
Not certain at all, imho. (Certainly, the whole Euro construction is bizarre and vulnerable on many counts.) But what has happened is that the Finance World (see also The Paper on cheap credit at 2) ran amuck. That did not occur because of the Euro, EuroZone, EU, the dollar, the Republican Party, etc. (Or at any rate such systemic elements can only be seen as contributory causes.) From housing bubbles in the US, Spain, China, to smaller countries with rotten banksters in cahoots with developers, gvmts, like Iceland and Ireland, to sovereign indebted borrowers like Greece, it is all the same phenomenon. And it was all created by people who took specific decisions. Admittedly, the impact might have been less if the EU countries all had their own currencies…as b outlines.

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 3 2011 11:42 utc | 21

I also disagree with this “united Europe” refrain; even divided and conflictual as it is, it is still too powerful
At present, Europe is a cemetery of failed imperial projects, and harborbs an inordate amount of permanent war machines
No wonder that the only unity it seems able to strive for is under Us hegemony, where it acts as a decisive “sub-imperialist” force; without European support, Us world hegemony would crumble in a matter of months, at most; on the other hand, European unity would only make sense if we all decided to allow Germany to lead yet another european attempt at world hegemony, which is fortunately impossible (fortunately because I’m antimperialist, not antigerman!)
If some kind of “Europe” must exist as a political actor on the world stage, a necessary prerequisite is a deep and painful reflection on its history, and the construction of a totally new project; for the time being, I think normal neighbour cooperation is enough; European states are dangerous beasts and we musn’t feed them the kind of food that awakens certain insane instincts they have; see Lybia! A united Europe, in the present historical conditions, would be Libya on steroids

Posted by: claudio | Nov 3 2011 11:48 utc | 22

@21, excellent post.
The first part supports my contention that the Plutocrats have no intention of taking an intentional haircut as I pointed out in #8 above.
The second part is spot on and is the larger picture…..but not the largest. Let’s face it, the debt bubble was inflated because it was the life support of a dying patient with a terminal disease. It no longer suffices because the patient is atrophying and its organs are beginning to fail.
I think many intelligent people get so caught up in the detailed analysis of events, they can’t see the forest but for the trees, and so they remain prisoners to the play-by-play and incapable of connecting dots and seeing the larger picture.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 3 2011 13:10 utc | 23

Then we are screwed. Yes, we are.
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12611732/the-european-bailout-explained

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 3 2011 14:15 utc | 24

no Morocco Bama, it just means countries competing in inflation.
that is what they did in the 1960’s . it is good, it means capitalism can’t continue to accumulate money as they used to, they have to spend – fast.
the European Central Bank has just lowered the credit rate.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 3 2011 15:40 utc | 25

At Colm in #7. The idea of a Europe as a unified and independent entity is fine and all, but from what I’ve seen so far, the EU has basically been a subsidiary of the United States.
Yep Lysander that is the worry. Personally I think that a unified Europe would create a much larger fracture in this relationship though. At the moment the US is able to play off small states against each other within Europe. If we became unified it would be much harder to do this and would foster a more independent foreign policy. A few things to note is 1) The US is in decline so I think as the US Empire retreats Europe will naturally become less dependent on America. 2) Russia is creating a virtual monopoly on European energy I see in the future Europe moving closer to Russia and US influence receding due to decline.
Also, I’m not sure against whom a united Europe needs to defend
I’m not so much talking about defending it from threats than creating as Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov calls it a “multipolar” world. Fact is that Italy or Britain on its own cannot compete against continental-sized nations like the USA or Russia or China or India. On its own we are small countries compared to these mega ones. But together we could remain influential in a multipolar world where there are 5 or 6 world powers all working by consensus. The goal would be instead of having the US as the worlds only superpower doing what it likes, we would have 5 or 6 world powers which dilutes power and stops any one nation acting unilaterally. In that respect Europe should be united.
@ Claudio
European states are dangerous beasts and we musn’t feed them the kind of food that awakens certain insane instincts they have; see Lybia!
Yeah the biggest threat would be that a united Europe would led to another chapter in European imperialism. I would add in the Libyan context that it was sole members like Britain and France that attacked not the EU. If the British and France were closely tied into one Europe they would not have been able to act alone and would have been unlikely to convince the skeptical Germany and other smaller states to allow them to intervene. Europe is very Anti-War even if a few member states aren’t and a multipolar world would also hold back the use of force.

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Nov 3 2011 16:10 utc | 26

The world is going to get a crash-course in living frugally, plus an unexpected philosophical tune-up, to cope with it all.
There used to be whole magazines devoted to frugality, and to raising the family accordingly, using things called “hand-me-downs” and sewing machines, because it was ESSENTIAL to know this stuff, and to have a culture that was very well educated in all that stuff.
Then as families became more affluent and credit-cards took over, those sorts of magazines and that practical-culture gradually gave way to fashion, make-up and extravagant foods, and the cult of personality, an over-rated sense of sexual deviance and sensation, plus the torrent of pervasive drivel from mercilessly spoilt and overly-protected wanton idiots who never once got any real-world lessons they really need.
Well, … all that old-fashioned frugality stuff is coming back at us in a big way, and it’s going to get very brutal when people realize they don’t know how to live without being a spendaholic anymore.

Posted by: Cynthia | Nov 3 2011 16:34 utc | 27

@27, I look forward to it. I know of many who will have psychotic episodes as a result, and I will dance with delight when they do….because they deserve to be tormented in a metaphorical hell of their own making.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 3 2011 16:54 utc | 28

So much for the referendum.
http://news.yahoo.com/greek-pm-scraps-referendum-greek-debt-plan-144719929.html

Greece’s prime minister abandoned his explosive plan to put a European rescue deal to popular vote and opened emergency talks Thursday with his opponents, who reversed themselves and agreed to broad austerity measures in exchange for a European bailout.
Prime Minister George Papandreou ignored widespread calls for his resignation and instead invited the opposition to join negotiations on the bailout, telling an emergency Cabinet meeting that early elections would force Greece into leaving the 17-nation euro currency, with disastrous effects for both Greece and other European economies.
Papandreou sparked a global crisis Monday when he announced he would put the latest European deal to cut Greece’s massive debts — an accord that took months of negotiations — to a referendum. The idea horrified other EU nations and Greece’s creditors, triggering turmoil in financial markets as investors fretted over the prospect of Greece being forced into a disorderly default.
Two officials close to Papandreou said Thursday the referendum idea has now been scrapped, after the debt deal won support from the opposition. Papandreou spoke with conservative opposition leader Antonis Samaras in the afternoon, his office said, before a major address to his Socialist party deputies in parliament.

How will the people of Greece react to an acceptance of this plan? And no, when I say Greek people, I’m not referring to the leadership of that country. They are Greek in name only. Their loyalty is only to themselves, not to the Greeks, or Humanity at large.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 3 2011 17:06 utc | 29

So much for the referendum.
Ouch. I have to retract that part last night where I said “I’m impressed that Papandreou actually grew a spine” turns out he is still as spineless as ever. What sort of leader calls a referendum then gets summonded to meet Sarkozy and then returns and says the popular vote is cancelled?

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Nov 3 2011 17:21 utc | 30

@Lysander no. 14
“The idea of a Europe as a unified and independent entity is fine and all, but from what I’ve seen so far, the EU has basically been a subsidiary of the United States. Policy independent of the US is hard to find. Even when “old” Europe opposed the Iraq invasion, the US still was able to use European bases.”
I doubt if the policies of Europe’s elite are effectively different from the policies of the US elite. With Cameron, Sarkozy, and Merkel running the show I don’t think they are.
In some cases, I think European leaders are happy to use the US influence as cover–“well, we don’t really agree with the Americans on this, but they’re our ally and friend, and what are we going to do?” While all along there is little daylight between those leaders and their US counterparts. More show than substance.

Posted by: sleepy | Nov 3 2011 17:24 utc | 31

As I understand it, summarily and roughly, the US partly organized, and certainly heavily encouraged, a United Europe.
The excuse was prevention of future strife (where exactly that argument came from in the first place I don’t know, of course), economic development, free trade, etc.
Pragmatically, the US did not want to treat with a bunch of small countries, some of whom might be anti-US, with all the fuss and bother and extra effort that would entail. Tactically, the idea was to create an overlay administration/power, outside of the realm of national European politics, staff it with friendly faces and stooges, turn Europe into a stronger ‘bloc’ that would then have some Imperialist ambitions, hah ha, but would still be subservient to the US. The core of the bloc, or the powerful in it, could be manipulated to support the US and repress dissidents, the recalcitrant, etc. At the same time, it would become top-heavy, disorganized, hapless, stupid, etc.
An analogy would be dealing with say 25 tenants or home-owners individually as opposed to a ‘home association’ agreed to by the inhabitants, headed by an intruder who looks impressive. The inhabitants lose their rights, partly simply because of the extra layer of bureaucracy. They are manipulated by the ‘association’, the ‘committee’ to which they de facto belong, they signed up, and they are given the ring-around and scammed.

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 3 2011 17:35 utc | 32

“What sort of leader calls a referendum then gets summonded to meet Sarkozy and then returns and says the popular vote is cancelled?”
He is not a leader at all. He is the local manager working for the EU, which in turn is run by the big banks. And that is the biggest and strongest argument AGAINST any kind of European Union: It will work in the interests of a small financial elite and the central Eureaucrats on their payroll. I hope the Greeks continue striking and protesting until the government defaults on every last penny of debt. A few years ago, Greece might have offered 20-50 cents on the Euro on its debt in exchange for staying in Europe’s good graces. Now they should offer 1 cent on the Euro and give creditors 24 hours to take it or leave it. I hope they leave it.
Once out of the Euro, Greece should issue it’s new currency and sell bonds. You would be surprised but they will find some takers at manageable interests rates. Argentina did. So did Russia. I would laugh my A$$ off if Iran of China started buying up the new Greek debt.

Posted by: Lysander | Nov 3 2011 17:52 utc | 33

Whoops, thought the austerity run-away train had encountered a bit of a slowdown with Greece balking, but, guess it’s not to be. By the way, anyone know how Iceland is doing since it’s vote against austerity?

Posted by: ben | Nov 3 2011 18:10 utc | 34

on Papandreu: it seems clear now that the threat of the referendum was a tactic used to subdue the right-wing opposition, that first caused the crisis and now was opposing the austerity measures
no, he’s not “the One” 🙂
but still his tactics may backfire (literally) and help protests grow

Posted by: claudio | Nov 3 2011 18:15 utc | 35

As I wrote above “Greece will simply be unable to pay its debt and will default.”
That still holds. Everything else is theater.
The Greece will continue their struggle against the Eurocrats and the banks and they will win. They can be quite fierce when awoken from their generally more relaxed attitude.

Posted by: b | Nov 3 2011 19:39 utc | 36

When I look at photos like this, I feel confident that all of us are in good hands. Don’t you?
http://www.bloomberg.com/image/iN.BkR9nroVw.jpg

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 4 2011 10:25 utc | 37

Germany versus Goldman-Sachs.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/31/is-goldman-sachs-poised-to-takeover-europe/

Goldman Sachs is about to take over Europe, but you wouldn’t know it by reading the papers.
On Tuesday, G-Sax alum, Mario Draghi, will take the helm at the European Central Bank replacing retiring ECB president Jean-Claude Trichet. The appointment has slipped by the media virtually unnoticed even though the ECB is the most powerful institution in the EU and is likely to play a critical role in solving the debt crisis.
Draghi was formally a Managing Director at Goldman. He also served as an advisor to the Bank of Italy in 1990, chairman of the Italian Committee for Privatisations, and was an Executive Director of The World Bank from 1984 to 1990. His bio. affirms his globalist pedigree which makes him the perfect candidate to replace the curmudgeonly Trichet who failed to comply with all of Big Finance’s demands. That’s not likely to be the case with Draghi.
The new ECB chief faces the difficult task of trying to pacify Germany while implementing policies that are opposed by the German political class as well as the German people. It won’t be easy, even for a skilled diplomat like Draghi. But Draghi will move forward with his bank-centric agenda, because it may be the last chance to keep the 17-member monetary union from disintegrating……
….The central bank’s new approach will put the ECB on a collision course with Germany. This is a clash that can no longer be avoided. Draghi’s job is to save the union for the financial elites who benefit from it. Ultimately, their interests will prevail over Germany’s. You can bet on it.
Naturally, no one cares about the public’s interest. The EU’s working people don’t count.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 4 2011 18:14 utc | 38

@38
If that is so, I vote for Goldman-Sachs. But I think Counterpunch is being over-optimistic.
Yes, buying bonds would stop the crisis – heck, even the declaration of unlimited buying of government bonds would stop the crisis without any bonds needed to be bought.
Yes, the ongoing crisis is bad for banks.
But it is also bad for Germany’s industry. There is no sane reason to kill of your customers.
So I have to go with insanity – leading circles in ECB truly believes that the solution to having to little money is to kill of the economy.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Nov 5 2011 12:19 utc | 39

@39, it goes back to Creative Destruction….it appears to be the unwritten rule of the day, whether it be conscious, or unconscious.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 5 2011 13:29 utc | 40

The days of cheap Volkswagens in the U.S. are over…..not that there would be a customer base in the near future…cheap, or not. Maybe it’s time to bring back the inexpensive original Hitlerian Beetle that got killed off in Mexico a few years prior….because pretty soon, that’s all people are going to be able to afford…if that.
http://lubbockonline.com/stories/073103/bus_073103009.shtml

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 5 2011 13:36 utc | 41

Of course, then there’s the issue of the debt from WWII that Germany owes just about everyone…..including Greece. Greece has brought this up recently. It is a source of contention in an inflamed environment.
http://news.helium.com/news/13835-70-billion-german-reparation-debt-owed-to-greece-would-ease-crisis

The Greek government could do much more to ease the current economic crisis by pursuing the 70 billion still owed by Germany in World War II reparation debts. The issue is a talking point amongst Greek citizens who have suffered odious insults in the German press regarding Germany bailing out Greece.
In an interview with Der Spiegel eminent economic historian Albrecht Ritschl, a professor at the London School of Economics, has criticized Germany for their hostilty towards Greece in the current economic
crisis. He points out that Germany’s debt default in the 1930s makes the Greek debt look insignificant in comparison. He warns that German could well face claims from Greece for long overdue war reparations.

When I think about so many Nazis getting away with murder and all that stolen loot, it makes my blood boil. The Nuremberg Trials were a ridiculous farce. There was not proper justice visited upon a substantial portion of the Nazi Party. Take the Gestapo, for example. Those vermin were allowed to become police after the war…..just as many of them were before the rise of the Nazis. Those scum should have been taken out and crushed under steam rollers for their sadistic complicity. Without their complicity, the war would have ended much sooner. Following orders, my ass. Those scum enjoyed their filthy work.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 5 2011 18:45 utc | 42

The ECB and their German finance masters (France finance masters are on a bind because their bet was that the ECB would buy bonds) are really so insane that they can force any EU country to submit to their orders? Insanity or blind hubris.
ECB Issues Ultimatum To Italy, Threatens To Halt Bond Purchases

Mersch said the ECB did not want to become a lender of last resort to help the euro zone solve its debt crisis and said it was concerned that its job could be made more difficult by governments that “don’t meet their responsibilities.”

Fine with me. We can save a few euros by disbanding the ECB, firing its unelected officers and related organizations as there are is no purpose for them (other than to serve their German finance masters).

“Our job is not to remedy the errors of politicians,” he said.

It’s was the ECB who open the cheap money spigot to help Germany get out of economic troubles after the unification.
Germany will be the one nation singled as destroyer of the EU. Some won’t care but the consequences won’t be nice even for the Germans. Or specifically for the Germans.

Posted by: ThePaper | Nov 5 2011 21:13 utc | 43

They can force any EU country that is a member of the euro and has a deficit in the trade balance.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Nov 6 2011 11:40 utc | 44

Test

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Nov 6 2011 14:15 utc | 45