Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 6, 2011
Trapping The Night Raids

(updated below)

In Afghanistan the U.S. military launches about a dozen kill or capture raids each night.

These are supposed to take out leading Taliban person but, as they are based on dubious intelligence, often go wrong and hit peaceful people or even people associated with the Afghan government. Additional people get killed in the protests against such raids.

There is an obvious strategy to counter such raids or at least to make them more difficult. Traps could be laid that would provoke night raids and allow to hit the raiding force as hard as possible. I have wondered for a while if/when such were happening.

Laying a trap should be easy to do. A tip-off to the Afghan secret service NDS about an imminent Taliban leader meeting, some suspect geo-locatable mobile phone calls from and to Pakistan from a secluded compound and a few cars or motorcycle aggregating at that place at night should be enough to get the military's interest. Then hide, wait for the choppers and take them out.

I suspect that this might well have been such a trap:

Insurgents shot down a NATO Chinook helicopter during an overnight operation in eastern Afghanistan, killing at least 37 people on board, a coalition military official said on Saturday.

Afghan military officials put the death toll at 38, including 31 Americans and seven Afghan commandos.

The helicopter was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade in the Tangi valley of the Wardak Province just west of Kabul, the coalition official said. The Taliban claimed credit for the attack.

A spokesman for the Taliban, Zabiullah Mujahid, said insurgents shot down the helicopter around 11 p.m. Friday as it was launching an operation on a house where the militants were gathering in the Tangi Joyee region of the district of Saidabad in the eastern part of the province. Eight militants were killed in the fight that continued after the helicopter fell, he said.

A few of such incidents, initiated all over the country, might make the U.S. military much more reluctant to launch more raids.

Update (1:00pm) :

As it turns out my hunch was right and this incident was very likely a trap:

The Taliban claimed its fighters had ambushed Western troops after being tipped off to an imminent night raid in the district. The crash site is located in Wardak's Tangi valley, where the insurgents are extremely active.

The Wardak police chief, Gen. Abdul Qayuum Baqizoi, said the American strike was aimed at a meeting of insurgent figures in the district, which is considered a perilous one.

The Taliban statement, from spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid, was unusually specific in some of its details, …

The "meeting of insurgent figures" was likely a trap as described above. The unusual detailed statement from the Taliban, and the fact that they were the first to come out with the news today, shows that the attack was actually planned in advance and the propaganda pre-prepared. The Taliban claim of having been "tipped off" is dubious. It will make U.S. military more suspicious of their Afghan co-fighters and may have been inserted just to create that effect.

But from a propaganda standpoint this will have the biggest effect:

The operators from SEAL Team Six were flown by a crew of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment.

One source says the team was thought to include 22 SEALs, three Air Force air controllers, seven Afghan Army troops, a dog and his handler, and a civilian interpreter, plus the helicopter crew.

The sources thought this was the largest single loss of life ever for SEAL Team Six, known as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group.

It were operators from SEAL Team Six, aka DevGru, that killed Osama Bin Laden.

To now have killed a big number of them is a huge victory for the Taliban and their associated groups.

Comments

And this is new reported today:
NATO choppers kill 9 Afghan civilians

Posted by: Sappho | Aug 6 2011 12:30 utc | 1

I find it a little puzzling that the Afghan resistance is still using RPGs to as A-A weapons. The Russians have excellent MANPADS (shoulder-fired A-A missiles) and Russian youth is being decimated by the increase in opium production which accompanied the US-NATO occupation. One must conclude that Russia feels that the harm caused by the opium flood is outweighed by the strategic upside of the occupation.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 6 2011 13:03 utc | 2

I have been wondering too about when those great MANPADs that were so glorified in the ’80s when we used them on the Russkys were going to start showing up in this lopsided atrocity. Obama better get the heck out of there pronto and go launch a war on Grenada again. Seemed to work for Reagan.

Posted by: Maxcrat | Aug 6 2011 15:03 utc | 3

Obama better get the heck out of there pronto and go launch a war on Grenada again.

Even then it took over 7000 Rangers and Marines to defeat a small number of Cubans and Grenadians. Regaan reaction was

Grenada had to be invaded because it was the world’s largest producer of nutmeg. “You can’t make eggnog without nutmeg,” he remarked.

Posted by: hans | Aug 6 2011 15:23 utc | 4

LAT:

The Taliban claimed its fighters had ambushed Western troops after being tipped off to an imminent night raid in the district.

The Taliban statement, from spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid, was unusually specific in some of its details, and confirmed the “martyrdom” of eight Taliban fighters in what was described as fierce combat prior to the shooting down of the helicopter.

So my hunch was right and this was a trap.

Posted by: b | Aug 6 2011 15:26 utc | 5

Maxcrat and Hoarse
The rather banal reality – as exemplified in both Iraq and Afghanistan – is that the Manpad “threat” has been exaggerated to an excessive degree, and much of the media reportage surrounding it is IO-driven rather than data-driven.
Now it’s pretty clear that Iraq, for example, had had plenty of Manpads back in the 1980’s – but by 2003, after nigh-on 14 years of relentless attrition and inability to re-stock, very few of them were serviceable; this accounts for the relative scarcity of shootdowns due to their use, as opposed to rpg’s or heavy machinge guns, during the peak years of the insurgency.
The reason that the Afghans are using rpg’s rather than Manpads is because they had few, if any, Manpads to begin with. The “stockpiles” that were accumulated during the 1980’s courtesy of the US evaporated during the 1990’s via a combination of CIA buybacks, Iranian and other third-party nation state purchases, serviceability issues; a lack of trained operators who can deploy the few that remain extant in an effective fashion doesn’t help either.

Posted by: dan | Aug 6 2011 15:40 utc | 6

Having served in that other ridiculous conflict in Southeast Asia, why are we using Chinook type Helicopters and packing that many troops???. Have we not learned our lessons……
31 US troops…Such a waste…

Posted by: georgeg | Aug 6 2011 15:57 utc | 7

One night raid too many for the SEAL team that killed Bin Laden:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ap-sources-navy-seals-from-unit-that-killed-bin-laden-among-those-lost-in-helicopter-crash/2011/08/06/gIQAbRTcyI_story.html

Posted by: felix | Aug 6 2011 17:08 utc | 8

With this new information and taking a conspirational approach I wonder if this was a purposeful elimination of witnesses.

Posted by: ThePaper | Aug 6 2011 18:29 utc | 9

My first cynical thought is they’re cleaning up loose ends.
I’ve always thought that that Seal Team 6 OBL story was infowar dissemination, propaganda bullshit. Venerating uniformed special ops types is much better optics(and recruitment driver) rather than some sleazy CIA hit team who don’t want the attention anyhow. But think about it, they had a safehouse a couple of doors down – why go in hot and loud?

Posted by: Roofie | Aug 6 2011 18:31 utc | 10

I wonder if this was a purposeful elimination of witnesses.
I am pretty sure that the SEAL are selected as ideological pure and would do any shit without questioning and still keep their mouth shut.
No. My hunch is that this was trap laid by Haqqani (who’s troops work the area) with the help of the Pakistan security service ISI. A purposeful revenge for the Bin Laden killing.
If they, through their reconnaissance, knew that Seal Team 6 was working the area a trap of an “insurgence meeting” could be easily laid and good fighters put into place.
Whatever. The result is a huge success for the insurgents. There will be poems and songs performed about this victory in Afghanistan a hundred years from now. The international groups will take this as a moral uplift.
What will the U.S. do?
a. fasten the retreat from Afghanistan?
b. blame Pakistan and attack it next year when the Afghanistan logistics have shifted further to the north?
My guess is b. What is yours?

Posted by: b | Aug 6 2011 18:39 utc | 11

my guess is the chinese were giving us a taste of what’s in store for us if we go for a full tilt invasion of pakistan…
you cant tell me that the handwriting isnt so obvious that the chinese have NOT been working 24/7 for years now to develop their own manpads.

Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 6 2011 19:30 utc | 12

and speaking of traps… china spends maybe 200 million on gwadar, floats rumors of pipelines, refineries, gas liquefaction plants and tanker ports at gwadar, and thus lures america into afghanistan and pakistan, where america spends trillions causing enough commotion to prevent chinese access.
pretty good return on your investment.

Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 6 2011 19:38 utc | 13

“b. blame Pakistan and attack it next year when the Afghanistan logistics have shifted further to the north?”
You hit upon my guess that the ISI lent a hand with this. Payback for the Bin Laden raid. In the next few days, if we see yet another round of recriminations between the US and Pakistan, we’ll know you were right.

Posted by: Lysander | Aug 6 2011 19:39 utc | 14

Just to comment on some myth in the comments above.
Manpads: Overrated.. Only old ones available on the markets, non functional or meeting today’s countermeasures which mostly disable them. New ones not available as they are traceable to the originator. China has lots of modern one but doesn’t give them away.
China, Gwadar: I wrote about that years ago. The Chinese did some investment but stopped when they found out that the Baluchis were not happy with it. Further investment? Not gonna happen.
Chinooks are old: The latest one the SpecOps got was made in 2003. Those are quite different that the Vietnam era birds with lots of gaddgets to protect them.
Chinooks are too big: Depends on the size of the possible landing zone. One Chinook can fit where two Blackhawks can not fit and deliver more force on the ground.
SEALs are top forces: In promotion yes. in effectivity?

Posted by: b | Aug 6 2011 20:16 utc | 15

b says…

“China, Gwadar: I wrote about that years ago. The Chinese did some investment but stopped when they found out that the Baluchis were not happy with it. Further investment? Not gonna happen.”

you know that, i know that, the chinese know that… but does the israeli american empire know it?
if we’re going for all the marbles, “benevolent global hegemony” including the securing of israel, do you think the chinese would go along with it? …if the neocons have china in their crosshairs, mostly to eliminate a competitor for the remaining oil, isnt it likely that the conflict will escalate slowly, until a nuclear primacy first strike on china becomes inevitable?
do you think this whole caper is nothing but cover for the looting operation, or are there factions of religious or racist fanatics with access to the trigger?
looks to me like those fanatics are gonna have to nuke somebody, sooner or later, just to validate their “nuclear primacy” threat… presumptions of sanity in the people who got is into this are unwarranted.l

Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 6 2011 20:28 utc | 16

All of the Afghan affair is a trap. No surprise that the freedom fighters know how to lay a trap for the invaders and their “air superiority”.
America needs to blow up a hut someplace, declare victory over the whole middle east, and then go the hell home.

Posted by: joseph | Aug 6 2011 20:34 utc | 17

Looks like China have pressed the “go” button

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 6 2011 21:48 utc | 18

Seems to me this just validates that there “really” is an enemy, and keeps the masses from saying, ‘what the hell are we doing over there’? See! we really do have formidable bad guys in the region to fight. See how dangerous they are?
Either way, more exploitative sensationalist crap.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 6 2011 22:54 utc | 19

Dan, and b – with regard to your thoughts on the MANPADs (and, b, I do remember discussing this topic a few years ago here too) – you are saying the remaining ones are old and unreliable or the new ones made by China and perhaps others are traceable to their maker, thus not likely to end up with the Afghan resistance, but it is hard to believe that they couldn’t be produced in a way to obscure or deliberately mislead about their origins. I’m not doubting your word on it, just amazed and mystified why such an allegedly effective weapon for the weak side in an asymmetrical military conflict hasn’t been brought to bear somehow.

Posted by: Maxcrat | Aug 6 2011 23:29 utc | 20

So much conspiratorial bullshit. Some facts. There are currently over 10,000 ‘special forces” on active duty in Afghanistan. The seal/sbs group which cold- bloodedly murdered Osama bin-Laden is made up of several hundred sociopathic killers. None of those who received their richly deserved justice on Friday night, took part in the Osama murders.
It has become plain to see that the Afghan resistance forces (incorrectly labelled Taliban when the fighters comprise a diverse range of beliefs from the spectrum of Afghan ethnic groupings)dominate the territory both urban – assassination of Jan Mohammed Khan and rural – attacks on ied clearance gangs.
Indeed the Khandahar prison break which was from a gaol that amerika had strenthened past amerikan max security standards illustrates how well organised the resistance has become.
This is thanks to no one- Afghans have no desire to swap one foreign oppressor for another – the whole ‘mujahadeen thanks to amerika’ thing was an expensive lesson in whitefella perfidy. Afghans will chase the flabby & pallid putrescence out themselves and end up owing no foreigner so much as a brass razoo.

Posted by: Did | Aug 7 2011 2:46 utc | 21

I’m sorry for the dog who had to die violently in this absurdist bullshit.

Posted by: Sharkbabe | Aug 7 2011 4:00 utc | 22

when i was young, rich and famous, i would say sometimes that most people are nothing more than talking dogs… it was amazing how many people in the elite circles of porterville california agreed.
meanwhile, what chance does a mexican immigrant have? …or some kid from the rust belt? …or some kid like me, who found out, within six months of college, that it’s all bullshit and the easiest escape was the military?
so, i graduated from the military to the paramilitary, air america, where i was copilot on a mission to take tools, supplies and body bags to a site where a C123 had crashed after having a wing blown off by a strela.
while we were orbiting the site, waiting to land, there was an apparent explosion outside my window, so we wnet to the nearest safe strip, landed and looked for damage… there was none, and our wingman, thai pilots, explained in broken english that the… whatever it was… went past us and exploded at ten thousand feet.
the exhaust of an h34 is on the copilot’s side, and the pilot was flying as we orbited, so the heat was pointed away from the ground, which may have confused the whatever it was.
the point being, the possible threat of manpads in the theater is enough to screw things up, bad.

Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 7 2011 4:41 utc | 23

hmmm.
who wants that war to go on …?
http://counterpunch.org/hallinan08052011.html

Posted by: somebody | Aug 7 2011 4:57 utc | 24

Re b on MANPADS @ 15.
New ones not available as they are traceable to the originator.
This is beyond dispute.
But what makes ‘discovery’ such a (apparently) powerful disincentive for Russia? Everyone knows where RP7s and variants come from, and deployment of MANPADS would oblige all US-NATO aircraft to be fitted with counter-measures. Considering the cost of counter-measures one could expect the M-I Complex to almost welcome an excuse to spend more money.
I’ve done some homework (at wiki) and it seems that RPGs aren’t quite as impractical for A-A duty as I imagined. They have variable fusing which means that, in the hands of skilled operators, several can be used to create a wall of flak in the vicinity of any target.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 7 2011 6:00 utc | 25

want to explain to us why china spent $200 million on gwadar?
want to explain why two new container cranes and new buildings have shown up at gwadar?
want to explain why china should roll over and play dead for israeli america?

Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 7 2011 6:22 utc | 26

Not so special after all, I guess.
Pass the marshmallows.

Posted by: Biklett | Aug 7 2011 6:23 utc | 27

you’d think, once bin laden was “killed”, we’d have some sense of “mission accomplished” in afghanistan.
i guess we have to start wondering, now, what the mission is, dont we? …seeing as how there’s no end in sight after bin laden was “killed”.
dismal motherfuckers

Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 7 2011 6:27 utc | 28

taliban crashes down the us chenook.flv

Video Of Taliban Shooting Down U.S. Helicopter Carrying SEAL Team Six In Afghanistan, 31 Special Forces Killed
Start watching at the 45-second mark. More video and details inside. KABUL, Afghanistan — A military helicopter was shot down in eastern Afghanistan, killing 31 U.S. special operation troops, most…

You may now return to your regularly scheduled, pacified, neutered, emblandishments…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 7 2011 7:21 utc | 29

b, you’re the best

Posted by: annie | Aug 7 2011 9:13 utc | 30

I’ve been seeing all-over the ‘net how SEAL Team Six was killed as a way to keep them quiet about the ‘killing’ of Osama… and Debs, always sober (about these things) reminded me there are more than a handful of members, so I decided to see what Wiki had to say about SEALs.
One of the first things I noticed was the lack of any SEAL team ‘six’; there are SEAL teams 1-5, and 7-10, but ol’ number 6 was changed to United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group (NSWDG)group of folks
They can call a turd anything they want, but it still smells like a turd.
Peace

Posted by: DaveS | Aug 7 2011 13:02 utc | 31

Kind of screwed-up the formatting on that last link… click on ‘group of folks’ for what I wanted to link to. I forgot to add an “>” to the end of the middle link, Duh!

Posted by: DaveS | Aug 7 2011 13:05 utc | 32

On Russia and China
Both have no interest in letting the U.S. go from Afghanistan anytime soon. As longer the U.S. has to fight there, bleeds and loses money, as longer they will enjoy a rather peaceful atmosphere for themselves. If the U.S. would win in Afghanistan, they would probably do more to help the Talibs. But why intervene when everything is working fine for them.
The same reason might explain why the allowed the move on Libya.

On RPG 7 – they are in stock and used in over 50 countries. Nearly 10 million were build. Even the Afghan puppet army and police is using them. There is no way to trace them back and blame Russia.
But manpads are much less available and less in stock. It would be likely possible to trace them back to the last official owner. Besides, no one likes free manpads around. You never know where those might end up and what plane they might take down. Old manpads would also be quite useless as all modern military aircraft have infrared warning and flare dispensers which defeat old manpads.

On SpecOps in Afghanistan: The U.S. has a total of some 5,500 SpecOps, many o them just support not operatives. There is no way that there would be 10,000 total in Afghanistan. Even 1,000 would be a high number.

Posted by: b | Aug 7 2011 14:09 utc | 33

“There is no way that there would be 10,000 total in Afghanistan. Even 1,000 would be a high number.”
Still, my guess is that support to operational is likely in a ratio of about 10:1. That is just a guess, of course, but is Special Forces not an independent command, with its own hierarchy, camp following etc?

Posted by: bevin | Aug 7 2011 14:49 utc | 34

” If the U.S. would win in Afghanistan…”

not likely, is it? …not in view of the mooj’s success rate down through history.

Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 7 2011 14:51 utc | 35

i guess my point is this… the mooj have already won… they live for this stuff.
meanwhile, the US is trying to make up for their demoralized human weapons by using massive amounts of technology.
i got more faith in hillbillies than i do technology.

Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 7 2011 14:57 utc | 36

Hoarsewhisperer
I’d be surprised if there were any NATO fixed or rotary wing assets that didn’t come equipped with “defensive aide suites” as standard issue – not that they can offer an absolute guarantee of protection against Manpads; lo-tech items like RPG’s or other anti-tank rockets are completely unaffected.
Maxcrat
Why would China, or Russia for that matter, want to sell the Afghan resistance Manpads? It’s not as if they have much in common or share any real objectives with them in the first place, they don’t need the relatively small sums of money that such sales would generate, and seem to be perfectly content with the status quo as is. So, what worthwhile advantage could either of them expect to gain by arming the Afghans with a tactically potent weapon – and why would the Chinese expect to be able to manage outcomes any better than either the Russians did or the Americans have to date?

Posted by: dan | Aug 7 2011 15:04 utc | 37

if chinese national interest was at stake, i dont see why they wouldnt sneak a few manpads to the mooj, for free, just as a shot over the bow of the israeli american empire and its plans for pakistan.
some people put long term gain over immediate profit, hard as that may be to believe.

Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 7 2011 15:11 utc | 38


But manpads are much less available and less in stock. It would be likely possible to trace them back to the last official owner. Besides, no one likes free manpads around. You never know where those might end up and what plane they might take down.

NYT Journo Chivers was rooting around in Libya for the manpads that were taken from the storage dumps.
Manpads going to leak soon
And I like the way it’s framed that Western nations are responsible about arms distribution while the Russkies and Chinese are in it for the money and deal with dictators.

Posted by: shanks | Aug 7 2011 15:30 utc | 39

Re: 33.
Our stars are in more precise alignment than I imagined.
Thanks for taking the time to clarify, b.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 7 2011 15:40 utc | 40

@Sharkbabe: yes. that poor dog didn’t volunteer for this despicable criminal enterprise. I shed not a solitary tear for the humans that did.

Posted by: ran | Aug 7 2011 18:29 utc | 41

Like they say” America the Great Satan” please say it ain,t so I want to believe again

Posted by: Larry | Aug 7 2011 20:04 utc | 42

Take up the White Man’s burden–
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard–
The cry of hosts ye humour

Setting up the narrative for when they have to leave.

Posted by: Maracatu | Aug 8 2011 0:08 utc | 43

Another helicopter has crashed today in Afghanistan, no details yet.

Posted by: ThePaper | Aug 8 2011 10:22 utc | 44

Did a New Taliban Weapon Kill a Chopper Full of Navy SEALs?

Posted by: amar | Aug 8 2011 11:14 utc | 45

Press TV reporting ‘2nd crash kills 33 US Afghan force’

Posted by: amar | Aug 8 2011 11:28 utc | 46

Seems to me this just validates that there “really” is an enemy, and keeps the masses from saying, ‘what the hell are we doing over there’? See! we really do have formidable bad guys in the region to fight. See how dangerous they are? – Uncle Scam at 19.
Exactly right.
That the ‘Taliban’ – aka those in Afghanistan who have the courage, will, opportunity, means, and perceive some gains to be made or nothing to lose, do resist, and attack, is unsurprising. Invaders and occupiers are fair game and resistors are hallowed.
In the EU we scrape the barrel of people aged over 90 to find ppl to honor, provided they can now say they were against Adolf and have some inspiring, love-and-courage story to tell.
The US needs spectacle and deaths in its ranks to continue a non-war, the Taliban need some victories to claim local power and privilege…
Meanwhile the people of Afghanistan can starve, die of disease, rot, decompose; become prostitutes, fixers, cheaters, kill each other; weep over their children’s graves.
Who is making money out of all this? Yes?

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 8 2011 14:53 utc | 47

Wired has this story:
Did a New Taliban Weapon Kill a Chopper Full of Navy SEALs?
Ignore the title, because I don’t care just now. But note this quote:

The Rangers called in their “Immediate Reaction Force,” a helicopter-borne mobile reserve that orbits nearby during risky patrols. That day, IRF duty had fallen to the Navy SEALs and their attachments, part of the 10,000-strong Afghanistan-based Joint Special Operations Command task force that, in addition to killing Osama bin Laden in May, also conducts as many as 70 raids per day in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In 2,800 raids between April and July, JSOC captured around 2,900 insurgents and killed more than 800, military sources said. That’s twice as many raids compared to the same period a year ago.
Normally, JSOC commandos ride in tricked-out helicopters — including stealth models — belonging to the Army’s 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment. But this weekend the SEALs hitched a ride in what was apparently a run-of-the-mill Army National Guard chopper.

First of all, this story conflicts with reports that the aviation crew was indeed 160th SOAR. Second, the implication of this story, that SEAL Team 6, the superest badassest of badassest of the badasses are reduced to flying routine patrols. 20 guys in the nation’s most elite squad are reduced to this duty. Either this story is entirely bunk (in which case, what are they covering up?) or else the US is insanely overstretched .
I suspect this weak cover story just goes to prove your original thesis.

Posted by: Bill | Aug 8 2011 17:00 utc | 48

U$ you may be right about this incident galvanizing public opinion, though I fail to see how this smells like anything but ass to even the dimmest of bulbs after a decade of the pentagon lies about “progress” and “winning” that dozens of Seals get blown up real good right outside of Kabul.
The larger point is who gives a shit what the serfs think about about our moronic and ruinous attempt to run the world at drone point? Not the thugs running this country, it has become abundantly clear. I think Cheney said it best: “fuck public opinion”, and I’m sure his acolyte Obombsalot exactly the same way.

Posted by: ran | Aug 9 2011 6:34 utc | 49

Did I say a trap?
U.S. Helo Crashed in Taliban Trap: Afghan Official

The Taliban lured U.S. forces into an elaborate trap to shoot down their helicopter, killing 30 American troops in the deadliest such incident of the war, an Afghan official said Aug. 8.

The senior Afghan government official told AFP on condition of anonymity that Taliban commander Qari Tahir lured U.S. forces to the scene by tipping them off that a Taliban meeting was taking place.
He also said four Pakistanis helped Tahir carry out the strike.
“Now it’s confirmed that the helicopter was shot down and it was a trap that was set by a Taliban commander,” said the official, citing intelligence gathered from the area.
“The Taliban knew which route the helicopter would take,” he added.
“That’s the only route, so they took position on the either side of the valley on mountains and as the helicopter approached, they attacked it with rockets and other modern weapons. It was brought down by multiple shots.”
The official, who spoke anonymously as he was not authorized to discuss the issue, also said President Hamid Karzai’s U.S.-backed government “thinks” the attack was retaliation for the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Posted by: b | Aug 9 2011 12:08 utc | 50

http://my.firedoglake.com/rjhillhouse/2011/08/08/bin-laden-turned-in-by-informant-courier-was-cover-story/

Forget the cover story of waterboarding-leads-to-courier-leads-to bin Laden. Sources in the intelligence community tell me that after years of trying and one bureaucratically insane near-miss in Yemen, the US government killed OBL because a Pakistani intelligence officer came forward to collect the approximately $25 million reward from the State Department’s Rewards for Justice program.
The informant was a walk-in.

Posted by: bokonon | Aug 9 2011 13:07 utc | 51