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July 29, 2011
Open Thread – July 29
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from past thread, this song I found. only can invite all you and b to : Posted by: an idiot | Jul 29 2011 17:58 utc | 1 I thought this was interesting: Are things heating in Turkey too? Or is just the same/usual conflict between the old regime (the ‘secular’ army) and the new regime (the ‘islamist’ government). What are the chances of a military coup? Has the military lower ranks changed enough to avoid such danger? Posted by: ThePaper | Jul 29 2011 19:23 utc | 3 oh the irony… Posted by: somebody | Jul 29 2011 19:42 utc | 4 I have a question for everyone. Posted by: joseph | Jul 29 2011 20:07 utc | 5 For all you fellow Riders on this Crazy Storm….a flashback to yesterday is today is tomorrow. Posted by: Morocco Bama | Jul 29 2011 20:24 utc | 6 But Joseph, it’s not enough to say it’s all about the oil. Further elaboration is necessary. All about the oil in what way? Peak Oilists believe it is because we are running out and Iraq is a desperate maneuver to squat on the last drops. Maybe, but I’m more inclined to believe that in an increasingly globalized world, the threats to the Plutocracy from non-aligned forces must be managed. Peak Oil, or not, the flow of Oil must be tightly controlled…..now, more than ever, therefore, the Plutocrats, intertwined with, yet some distinction from, the Military Industrial Complex, must use said MIC to secure and control the spice, because they who control the spice, control the world. Posted by: Morocco Bama | Jul 29 2011 20:31 utc | 7 How much is the oil in the region really worth and how could the USA recoup its “investment”??? Posted by: Morocco Bama | Jul 29 2011 20:40 utc | 8 My, oh my, Miss American Pie….
Of course, it’s to be taken with a grain of salt, but so too, should any official version that is proffered by the Mainstream Propaganda Press. Posted by: Morocco Bama | Jul 29 2011 20:51 utc | 9 By the “USA” of course we mean its ruling class. Which makes one wonder about them: so long as they keep the American people happy, and it doesn’t take much to do that, they are in a very good position to employ the state, the military etc, to assist in their domination of the world. Including middle eastern oil reserves. Posted by: bevin | Jul 29 2011 21:06 utc | 10 By the “USA” of course we mean its ruling class. Which makes one wonder about them: so long as they keep the American people happy, and it doesn’t take much to do that, they are in a very good position to employ the state, the military etc, to assist in their domination of the world. Including middle eastern oil reserves. Posted by: bevin | Jul 29 2011 21:06 utc | 11 First the links: Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Jul 29 2011 23:31 utc | 12 As jaded and cynical as I am, I still had a hard time believing this until I Googled it. I’m not sure it is authentic or can be taken at face value. But on the other hand, my extreme dislike for Bill Gates and his Monsanto partnership projects, I guess whatever the motives they wouldn’t tax my credulity.
Posted by: juannie | Jul 30 2011 0:44 utc | 13
also see, Control theory
In a closed society where everybody’s guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 30 2011 1:48 utc | 14 here’s a peak oil song for you guys, from the ramshackle women album… Posted by: groundresonance | Jul 30 2011 3:05 utc | 15 Joseph, what would happen if the US would not try to dominate the region, but keep their soldiers at home? Posted by: somebody | Jul 30 2011 4:08 utc | 16
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 30 2011 6:19 utc | 17 @ Uncle $cam… Posted by: groundresonance | Jul 30 2011 10:31 utc | 18 i spose i should spell it out… Posted by: groundresonance | Jul 30 2011 11:01 utc | 19
Posted by: groundresonance | Jul 30 2011 11:40 utc | 20 The long-term legacy of 9/11
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 30 2011 13:21 utc | 21 Joseph@5: How much is the oil in the region really worth and how could the USA recoup its “investment”??? Posted by: ben | Jul 30 2011 14:19 utc | 22 Crisis in the Horn of Africa [http://reliefweb.int/node/438039%5D Posted by: Kim Sky | Jul 30 2011 17:45 utc | 23 What would happen if the USA brought all its soldiers home to its own land and reduced its military to reflect only defence? (paraphrased another’s question) Posted by: joseph | Jul 30 2011 20:45 utc | 24 @kim sky – i’ve been covering that at africacomments.org if you or anyone is interested Posted by: b real | Jul 30 2011 22:09 utc | 25 the personnel of Anders Breivik’s manifesto did exist: Posted by: somebody | Jul 30 2011 23:05 utc | 26 Japanese government killing its own people in Fukushima
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 31 2011 15:14 utc | 27 New Japan Law ‘Cleanses’ Bad Nuclear News
The energy Kings (Bush/Cheney gang included) know, you can just change the law, to better reflect your actions. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 31 2011 15:21 utc | 28 b, Posted by: ebuzzmiller | Aug 1 2011 13:54 utc | 30 @ebuzzmiller – Hi – no I was not aware of that. I feel somewhat honored though. No, I did not notice the specifics. I should have copied down the screen info. They did have a comment screen for an explanation as to why the visitor (me) would want to access the site. I’ll be in austin later this month and will try to access it from that Courtyard Marriott. Will keep you posted. Posted by: ebuzzmiller | Aug 1 2011 19:44 utc | 32 b wonders “…who’s list the Marriott is using…?”
Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 1 2011 20:01 utc | 33 it’s getting harder and harder to take this US clown factory seriously. Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 1 2011 20:09 utc | 34 here’s annie lennox “whiter shade of pale“. Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 1 2011 21:23 utc | 35 I thought Annie Lennox was better than that. It was awful. Posted by: alexno | Aug 1 2011 22:06 utc | 36 the druids will probably wind up kicking your asses. Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 1 2011 22:46 utc | 38 i’m gonna say one thing here before i pass out… Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 2 2011 0:19 utc | 39 Groundresonance, Posted by: Cynthia | Aug 2 2011 13:53 utc | 41 The Chinese high speed train crash is snowballing into an interesting situation of public and media defiance of government control of information. There hasn’t been a hell of a lot of coverage in the English speaking press, however it is covered very well in Japan and seems to yield interesting titbits on a daily basis. Unlike previous stories of corruption/failure, this one is not local but rather goes to the national government. So it may be significant, although no one seems to have taken great notice outside Asia. the original must not have given me goosebumps, which is how i judged music until 1974, when a girl asked why i didnt write songs… after that, i started paying attention to the words. Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 2 2011 14:49 utc | 43 Unkle $cam, #21: After a cursory look at the Vanity Fair article I see the basic and unquestioned assumptions are al-Qaeda and Arabs are likely responsible. That is the underlying assumption from the get-go. Posted by: Jake | Aug 2 2011 14:51 utc | 44 Even the ‘rebels’, apart from being completely useless as a fighting force, now admit they don’t have popular support inside ‘pro-Gaddafi’ territory. Conclusion from their western backed killers? More bombing and killing is required until the Libyans decide to overthrow Gaddafi and accept a puppet government.
Posted by: ThePaper | Aug 2 2011 15:24 utc | 45 Groundresonance, apparently Gary Brooker’s voice doesn’t give you goosebumps like it does me — I being a woman may have something to do with this. To me, his voice is a hauntingly powerful mix between Jack Bruce’s of the legendary Cream and Gregg Allman’s of the greatest southern rock band of all time, The Allman Brothers: Posted by: Cynthia | Aug 2 2011 16:44 utc | 46 @ThePaper – I would translate that convoluted citation this way: “they had been told that there were rebels inside Zlitan that would rise and help them; but then they discovered that the residents of Zitlan clearly support Col Gaddafi” Posted by: claudio | Aug 2 2011 16:47 utc | 47 This story from the Guardian has received a lot of play on the net. It would be interesting to analyze it more closely, including “wondering” about both its content and its “popularity”. It has the virtue of supplying a name and “biography” for the major Iranian antagonist of the U.S.’s designs in “post-war” Iraq, but there’s something decidedly “fishy” here. Wikipedia (which I distrust for such matters) has a bit more information, and again tosses in the alleged link to suppression of the “rebellion in Syria”. There’s also this “official denial” of a meeting between U.S. General Odierno, Ambassador Christopher Hill, and Suleimani. Of course, the classical rule is to never believe anything until it has been officially denied, but the question of Suleimani’s new-found mediatic magnetism remains open. Sources less obviously hooked up to the mighty Wurlitzer would be of interest. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Aug 3 2011 17:38 utc | 48 A HREF=”http://www.zdnet.com/blog/violetblue/how-the-new-protecting-children-bill-puts-you-at-risk/590?tag=nl.e539″>How the new ‘Protecting Children’ bill puts you at risk: “The bill is mislabeled,” said Rep. John Conyers, “.. is not protecting children from Internet pornography. It’s creating a database for everybody in this country for a lot of other purposes. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 4 2011 1:37 utc | 49 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 4 2011 1:40 utc | 50 This Economic Graph Gallery from Calculated Risk provides a lot of up-to-date U.S. economic data. (See the second link for a list and discussion of available charts.) Does anyone have an analogous site for European (or Asian) data? Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Aug 4 2011 4:56 utc | 51 meanwhile, no war criminals allowed in the US. Posted by: ran | Aug 5 2011 0:46 utc | 52 cynthia Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 5 2011 1:48 utc | 53 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 5 2011 13:11 utc | 54 the railroad man Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 7 2011 3:22 utc | 56 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 7 2011 11:11 utc | 57 The Asia markets will open in a few hours, and we will probably see some sort of reaction the the great S&P downgrade. While assessing the fall-out, this speech by James Galbraith could be of interest. There are other interesting posts at the same Naked Capitalism site. It’s hard to believe that anything good (for most of us) is on the horizon, but since hedgies might make more money on a counter-intuitive market move, and since it is mid-August (when light volume traditionally makes market manipulation easiest), I will have no difficulty in maintaining my long term aversion to “taking a fling”. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Aug 7 2011 14:59 utc | 58 Not surprisingly, Iraqis seem much more competent in opposing corruption in Iraq than their Western tutors. Probably because their hearts are in it, and they recognize that Iraq would be a rich country if only … Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Aug 8 2011 9:54 utc | 59 a reminder about what’s happening with the global economy… Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 8 2011 13:38 utc | 61 it’s just that decent security to protect the nest is gonna get more and more expensive as demand rises as the situation deteriorates… Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 8 2011 15:00 utc | 62 ATOL, cited here in another thread, also offers Spengler’s analysis of recent market turmoil . It seems less abrasive than his usual condescending comments, but perhaps that’s just because he takes aim at the hedgies who certainly will find precious little support based on human warmth and affection. His views are, as usual, crisply stated. Whether or not they will prove to be correct remains to be seen. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Aug 8 2011 19:37 utc | 63 i wonder if annie listened to “little bird” enough to realize it’s a suicide song. Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 9 2011 1:33 utc | 64 This ITAR-TASS report on the slow moving Victor Bout pre-trial maneuvering is interesting for the “teaser” it contains regarding two Russian pro-Bout (potential) witnesses. Under what seems to me to be a “pro-forma” defense of Bout, it appears that the Russian arms lobby has decided to sacrifice a pawn in the interests of broader aims. Conversely, the U.S. arms merchants and their magical media machine will depict this as a check-mate for the “king” of arms traffickers. Bout may well be innocent in the legal sense (and probably has a strong case regarding the quality of the “evidence” being used against him), but it’s clear that the “prosecution” is not going to allow Bout to have any opportunity to counter the Hollywood style media campaign against him. For an exhaustive collection of counter-information one need only consult Richard Chichakli’s site, which, understandably, is mainly focused on exculpating Chichakli from the broad tar-brush strokes accusing him of “complicity” with Bout. In particular, at the bottom of the page on Chichakli’s site linked to above
with links to very interesting documents, discussed in a video also available on the site. Chichakli’s presentation seems to merit consideration, or a rebuttal, but to my knowledge it has been left in obscurity. Chichakli, again understandably, has no desire to find himself in the slammer like his friend (and alleged co-conspirator) Bout, so although a formal and fair legal adjudication of the merits of his position would be far preferable, the evolution of the Bout proceedings up to now lead to the conclusion that the only forums where such matters will be discussed openly and without vitiating restraints of secrecy and “national security” are internet sites like MOA. The use of secret evidence available to defense attorneys only via in camera proceeedings and denied to public attention would render the Bout (or a future Chichakli) trial even more suspect and subject to criticism as show trials rather than a serious attempt to clarify the facts of the case. One is left with the impression that Bout and Chichakli realized that the logistical requirements of coalition forces after Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Aug 9 2011 8:15 utc | 66 spot oil prices, as of this posting, from bloomberg (you have to google each quote, for instance: bloomberg crude spot brent) Posted by: groundresonance | Aug 11 2011 18:35 utc | 68 the terrible community of financial <>capitalism> terrorism emphasis added…
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 12 2011 4:39 utc | 69 Should have read, ‘the terrible community of financial Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 12 2011 4:40 utc | 70 More documentation (albeit subject to possible refutation in the relevant legal proceedings) on the cozy and corrupt cohabitation between the Sinaloa drug cartel and the U.S. government.
Only an inveterate conspiracy theorist would take the next small step and conclude that this collusion was aimed at controlling rivals to the shadowy gang of drug lords clustered around the U.S. security agencies, or, in other words, to rationalize the market and create a near monopoly. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Aug 12 2011 9:08 utc | 71 Talked to a U.S. soldier home on leave from Afghanistan, said he spent a lot of the time in the bush guarding poppy fields… As the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks approaches, and in the midst of the August hard news doldrums, we have a new limited hangout regarding the cover-up. Of course, this should be placed into context with a favorite right-wing analogue, namely the Tony Shaefer Able Danger story. There is a great deal of “missing information” but it should be clear that these “conspiracy theorists” are anything but looney figures from the fringe of American society. Perhaps not coincidentally, the story seems somewhat similar to the question of Roosevelt’s hypothetical prior knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attacks: even after 70 years there seems to be no uncontested documentation that FDR knew of the exact place of the Japanese attack (although the time frame was clear), but there is ample documentation that Pearl Harbor came within the context of an explicit desire to provoke Japan into attacking the U.S. in order to allow the U.S. to enter the war on Britain’s side. Similarly, we have, as yet, no “smoking gun” about the explicit decisions and agencies “enabling” the 9/11 attacks, but ample documentation that a decision to go to war in Iraq was on various agendas well before September 2011. In this regard one might cite Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neil’s comments,the infamous PNAC document, and the longstanding Yinon plan to make the Mideast safe for Israel. Googling any of these last three will provide confirmation of the existence of such documents, although I’m sure MOA readers require no such reminders. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Aug 12 2011 15:57 utc | 73 |
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