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July 22, 2011

Bomb In Norway Unlikely From Gaddhafi

Libya is likely to get blamed for this bomb attack in Norway.

Huge bomb blast kills at least two in attack on government office block in Oslo

At least two people have been killed in a massive explosion in Oslo which has shattered the windows of the Norwegian Prime Minister's offices and forced the evacuation of nearby buildings.

Police in Norway say the blast - which happened just after 3.30pm today - was caused by a bomb.

The tangled wreckage of a car was seen outside one building leading to suggestions it could be have been a car bomb - although this has not been confirmed.

The Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg was not in the city at the time and is unharmed, it has been reported.

Norway had send 6 of its F-16 fighter jets to take part in the war on Libya.

On July 7 Gaddhafi has "threatened" that revenge attacks may occur in Europe:

In a speech on Libyan television the Libyan leader said: "Hundreds of Libyans will martyr in Europe. I told you it is eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth. But we will give them a chance to come to their senses."

The conflation of these three items will be used to blame Gaddhafi for the bomb in Oslo.

But that does not make any sense because on June 10th Norway had already announced that it will draw back its fighters:

Norway's government says it will scale down its fighter jet contribution in Libya from six to four planes and withdraw completely from the NATO-led operation by August 1.

If one believes that Gaddhafi's "threat" to Europe was real, one also has to believe the restriction he himself set is real: "... we will give them a chance to come to their senses."

Already before Gaddhafi's "threat" was issued Norway had come to its senses and had announced the soon end of its involvement with the war on Libya.

Gaddhafi isn't dumb. He would not attack a country that has done exactly what he asked for, to end the attacks on Libya.

This attack on a government building came on a public holiday. On other days the number of casualties would have likely been higher. One can follow that maximizing casualties was not the intent.

"Al Qaeda" was earlier seen as a potential suspect for an attack in Oslo.

But there may also be parties able to set off a bomb in Oslo with the intent to get Gaddhafi blamed. If only to counter the fading of enthusiasm for that war. Who do you think are likely suspects with such a motive?

Posted by b on July 22, 2011 at 12:27 PM | Permalink

Comments

My one comment on this news over at Huffington Post didn't get through the moderators (which not surprising since I didn't take the "Those damn Muslims" line that a worrying amount of the commenters are taking).

I said Norway has fighter jets bombing Libya (I didn't know Norway had cancelled them) and that Norway has a battalion of troops occupying Afghanistan. You attack people and they have the right to self defence. Government buildings in Norway are a legitimate military target when it bombs Tripoli.

If Gadaffi did this I can't fault him. If someone was bombing my country I'd consider the offices of that countries Prime Minister a target.

Posted by: Colm O' Toole | Jul 22, 2011 12:44:40 PM | 1

in Utoya island (norway) four people dead for shots of aparent policeman.(CNN,BBC,etc)

Norway announced in January that in September, will recognize Palestine.

Posted by: an idiot | Jul 22, 2011 1:36:38 PM | 2

more about Norway:
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2011/01/20/norway-to-recognise-palestine-if-peace-talks-fail/

Posted by: an idiot | Jul 22, 2011 1:46:26 PM | 3

Oslo explosion came 4 days after Norway FM said that his country will back the Palestinian State Norway backs Palestinian path to UN statehood vote

Posted by: Sappho | Jul 22, 2011 2:14:16 PM | 4

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-13/norway-oil-output-may-drop-6-in-2011-gas-rise-2-5-update1-.html

http://us.mobile.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE7294PU20110310

Thu, Mar 10 11:09 AM EST

By Wojciech Moskwa and Gwladys Fouche

OSLO (Reuters) - Norway's Socialist Left party vowed on Thursday to reject any compromise that could lead to drilling off a pristine Arctic archipelago, setting the stage for talks that risk fracturing the Labour-led cabinet.

The untapped waters around the Lofoten and Versteraalen islands are regarded by the oil industry as the most promising that remain off Norway, the world's No. 5 oil exporter whose output has fallen by a third in the past decade.

But allowing oil and gas activities in the fish-rich and unspoiled region is anathema for Norwegian green movements and political parties including the co-ruling Socialist Left (SV).

Norway is due to decide within weeks whether to order an impact assessment study for drilling off the Lofotens, the first step toward possible drilling in the area that is home to Europe's largest cod stock and unique cold-water reefs.


Posted by: somebody | Jul 22, 2011 2:34:27 PM | 5

neo nazis

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 22, 2011 2:50:32 PM | 6

neo nazis

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 22, 2011 2:50:32 PM | 7

or neo-Vikings....seriously they have them.

Posted by: dh | Jul 22, 2011 2:54:36 PM | 8

anyone aware of the movement of the extreme right in scandinavia could see this as a homegrown action. & whatever murdoch & al jazeera pump out i instinctively think the opposite is the case.

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 22, 2011 3:31:10 PM | 9

Israel that's who is behind this.

Posted by: hans | Jul 22, 2011 3:39:31 PM | 10

Soft targets, no real Harry Hole's in Oslo, bank holiday.

“By way of deception, thou shall do war”

Expect planted evidence to come to light very soon.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jul 22, 2011 4:03:44 PM | 11

given that it is clearly an act by the extreme right wing within scandinavian it is the height of irresponsibility for the norwegian govt not to explain the situation given the fact that there have already been anti muslim attacks on people in norway

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 22, 2011 5:00:43 PM | 12

About the time of the Mavi Marmara effort to breach the blockade of Gaza, there was a series of terrorist attacks throughout Turkey, mostly in the East, but also in Taksim Square. The suspects were part of a Kurdish terrorist organization that Israel was known to have close ties with.

The question about an Israeli link to the Oslo bombing is not an idle one.

Posted by: JohnH | Jul 22, 2011 5:06:47 PM | 13

israel is guilty of enough crimes without having to invent them

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 22, 2011 5:23:19 PM | 14

NPR reported that the shooter dressed as policeman was clearly of Norwegian stock and sounded native. He was also seen in the vicinity of the bombing.

So far, no reasons given. It's not clear how many died; I heard 10, but not sure if that was just at the island camp.

Posted by: jawbone | Jul 22, 2011 5:57:09 PM | 15

OT, but Iran has shot down another US drone as it was flying over the Fordu nuclear site. This is in addition to the two shot down awhile ago.

"An unmanned U.S. spy plane flying over the holy city of Qom near the uranium enrichment Fordu site was shot down by the Revolutionary Guards' air defense units," MP Ali Aghazadeh Dafsari was quoted as saying by the Youth Journalists Club, affiliated to Iran's state TV.

"The plane ... was trying to collect information about the site's location ," he said, without giving details. He did not say when the incident happened.

Are there no consequences for a nation invading another's air space?

Posted by: jawbone | Jul 22, 2011 6:01:59 PM | 16

If you were in downtown Oslo and a bomb went off it would make you shit scared if it did not already do serious harm to you.
At this stage I do not know who was behind the blast, but could I put some things in very human perspective?
A. A religion is insulted by way of certain cartoons published ( qualifier – for my part I don’t see justification in killing a person because someone drew an insulting picture of my God). Decency, however, would suggest to me ( albeit I am not a religious person) that I don’t go around the world mocking those with Judeo-Christian or Muslim or Hindu or any other type of religious belief and belief in their God. Free speech in every country has it limits and boundaries. And human decency suggests that one need not insult, incite or provoke hostilities – when we full well know that provocation, by its very nature, can lead to violence.
B. A lot of us in the West simply do not consider the dynamics of A above – but, just blame the Muslims and Islamists or the so-called Al Quiada.
C. A person walking the streets of Tripoli has a right not to be fearful that a bomb will come hurling down on his or her head, home, family or public service facilities relied on and should be able to live in peace. Resolution 1973 permits a no-fly zone. I am not aware that since the passage of the UN resolution there has been any violation of the no-fly zone by the Libyan authorities. Thus, in point of law, one has to question the legality of the bombs being dropped on the Libyan people. Making war by way of what clearly is a war of aggression must be seen as a provocation.
D. It is not improbable that for reason of the perceptions of some people of the Muslim faith there is a feeling that it is Muslims being attacked by the West in Libya. If this is so, at this stage, one is left to speculate whether or not the terrorist attack in Oslo and the shooting of the youngsters is not a soft target retaliatory strike in response to the terror bombings of the US/NATO in Libya.
I do not condone the killing of innocent civilians . The Libyans on the streets of Tripoli are as much human as are the persons walking the streets of Oslo. Bombing either set of persons is in actuality – terrorism. There need to be no political gloss on the observation in the previous sentence. This kind of conduct must be condemned. A leader targeted by Western bombing at the leader’s family’s residence in Triopli. A leader in Oslo having his office targeted and destroyed b y a bomb. A family that loses its child or children in Tripoli – a family that loses a young loved one at a youth camp in Oslo. Can we just simply and honestly term all the attacks – terrorism?
Can we just stop the fucking bombing and killing of innocent people?I

Posted by: Courtenay Barnett | Jul 22, 2011 6:13:00 PM | 17

The latest report I've heard put the Oslo deaths at circa 10 and the camp shooting deaths at up to 30; and an ethnic Norwegian national suspect has been arrested. One wonders whether he'd already have been killed if he'd been Pakistani, Iraqi or Afghan.

The most striking aspect of this story is the West's "outrage" at these "despicable" acts. Coming from people who habitually slaughter unidentified individuals in the above-mentioned places plus Libya, on a daily basis, I find the hypocrisy somewhat North of "breathtaking."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 22, 2011 7:23:33 PM | 18

I think Gaddafi is very blamed for this attack choosing Norway as easy target then he will go to other NATO countries,the time for his revenge came after NATO's bombing his very costly man-made river plant.Gaddafi may get help from Najad regime intelligence agents.

Posted by: Benghazian | Jul 22, 2011 8:22:37 PM | 19

Too bad. the suspect is Norwegian! "Too bad" for like BBC and Guardian, if this turned to be truth they won't have the chance to celebrate its analysis:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/22/oslo-bomb-suspicion-islamist-militants

BBC, of course, is in similar mood. These UK propagandists were one of the leading warmongers in relentless pursuit for the "truth" in Libya.

Now, real bad news for Norwegian families who lost its members in this act of violence. Allegedly between 25-30 is murdered in labor camp.

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/22/labours-summer-camp-turns-deadly/

Posted by: neretva'43 | Jul 22, 2011 8:37:24 PM | 20

r'giap was right

At Least 80 Are Dead in Norway Shooting

Norway suffered dual attacks on Friday when powerful explosions shook the government center here and, shortly after, a gunman stalked youths at an island summer camp for young members of the governing Labor Party. The police arrested a Norwegian in connection with both attacks, which killed at least 87 people and stunned this ordinarily placid nation.
...
After the shooting the police seized a 32-year-old Norwegian man on the island, according to the police and Justice Minister Knut Storberget. He was later identified as Anders Behring Breivik and was characterized by officials as a right-wing extremist.

Posted by: b | Jul 22, 2011 11:28:18 PM | 22

"...was characterized by officials as a right-wing extremist."

...who just happened to shoot a bunch of kids who wanted to boycott israel...

...so the guy who shot the "antisemitic" kids isnt much of a nazi, is he? ...unless nazis have, over the years, become pro-israel.

oh!

Posted by: groundresonance | Jul 22, 2011 11:46:58 PM | 23

since the url failed to post in its entirety, google: norway labor youth israel boycott ...about 1,490,000 results

the norway labor party seems to be prepared to recognize a palestinian state, too... 5.7 million returns for a google search of norway recognize palestine

Posted by: groundresonance | Jul 23, 2011 12:09:15 AM | 24


yep, the media got caught in reporting without knowledge, it is fun to watch

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903461104576462852407423240.html

"Perhaps all this is at work. Or perhaps not: At our first deadline reports indicated that the attacks were the work of a jihadist group. Later in the evening evidence emerged that a suspect in the shooting attack on a youth camp was an ethnic Norwegian with no previously known ties to Islamist groups. Coordinated terrorist attacks are an al Qaeda signature. But copycats with different agendas are surely capable of duplicating its methods.

Whatever the case, the attacks demonstrate that Norway is no more immune than any other country to such atrocities, no matter what its foreign or domestic policies may be. If this does prove to be the work of Islamists, it will be noted that neither Norway's opposition to the war in Iraq nor its considerable financial and political support for the Palestinians spared it from attack."

they really do not like this not being the work of Islamists ...

Posted by: somebody | Jul 23, 2011 12:15:14 AM | 25

Let the Mighty rest those dead kids soul in peace. It is really scorching news to hear a Norwegian slaughtering his own people. What I knew about Norway was that Norway is the most peaceful country ever and I observed being enrolled in one of its Universities that this is dead true. But now I am witnessing that the country is being overtaken by satanic groups. Let God help those humane thinking kindest, and clse to saint Norwegians lead their country for ever!!!!!

Posted by: mr x. | Jul 23, 2011 5:27:36 AM | 26

@24 don't trust the google count

google: norway labor youth israel boycott...about 1,490,000 results


In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 702 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.

the link "search with the omitted results included" gives a total of, or stops at, 1.000

Posted by: c | Jul 23, 2011 5:42:46 AM | 27

as of this posting...

google search for: norway labor youth israel boycott gives About 1,480,000 results...

*shrug*

we can expect massive internet cleanup operations, but so much has already gotten out, it's gonna be tough.

this guys supposedly hobnobbed with radicals from little green footballs, and was an admirer of pam gellar.

and you got to agree that a million and a half google returns is a lot of smoke, which is an indication of a fire someplace, dont you?

Posted by: groundresonance | Jul 23, 2011 5:54:29 AM | 28

i got to admit that, from an israeli standpoint, this operation doesnt make much sense unless the israelis believe they have enough resources to intimidate everyone who reisists zionism... could israelis be that deluded? ...probably not.

so we kinda have to conclude, provisionally, that this operated as a lone wolf and just went tilt...

i cant imagine any sane person walking around that island, like a deranged hunter in a game preserve, shooting kids who have noplace to run...

although given israel's example in operation cast lead...

Posted by: groundresonance | Jul 23, 2011 6:05:06 AM | 29

one of the results

http://www.israelwhat.com/2011/07/02/cpplabor-youth-is-playing-at-war/

israelwhat features regulary in the results
and some uprooted palestinians
for love of palestine
and jewish peace news

Posted by: c | Jul 23, 2011 6:24:45 AM | 30

might makes right, as is demonstrated daily by israelis, and was demonstrated in israel's founding in terror, lies, and injustice.

two wrongs make a right, so if israelis are entitled to bomb the gaza concentration camp, pro-israeli norwegians are entitled to hunt down and massacre kids trapped on an island.

all this makes perfect sense once you've abandoned even the pretense of morals.

Posted by: groundresonance | Jul 23, 2011 6:32:58 AM | 31

google: norway labor youth israel boycott

About 1,500,000 results (0.09 seconds)

Search Results

FIRST!!!!

M of A - Youthcamp Killer May Have Anti-Palestine Motive
www.moonofalabama.org/.../youthcamp-killer-may-have-anti-palestine- ...3 hours ago – OSLO, Norway (AP) — A Norwegian who dressed as a police officer to gun down ... AUF WANT BOYCOTT: Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store was met by demands ... During the second day of Labour Youth League summer camp at Utøya got ... Minister of the deadlock between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. ...

Posted by: c | Jul 23, 2011 6:34:10 AM | 32

I dont think the lot of people who died in the island of Utoya (84?), died of gunshots.
Probably many of them died swimming or not swimming in the waters of the islands.
How many wounded?

Very bad, the news of the gov of Norway.

Posted by: an idiot | Jul 23, 2011 7:26:47 AM | 33

@mr x What I knew about Norway was that Norway is the most peaceful country ever

That country is currently fighting the locals in Afghanistan and bombing Libya. It's Noble Peace Committee has given the price to one of the big killers on this world and earlier to some distinguished war criminals.

I do not see how one can call that peaceful.

Posted by: b | Jul 23, 2011 8:33:58 AM | 34

b,

this guy's status as a farmer, giving him access to urea fertilizer explosive (oklahoma bombing), is interesting...

was his access to explosives a coincidence, or has he been planning a caper like this for years?

CNN is spinning this as Breivik being "a right-wing Christian fundamentalist", with no mention of the norwegian labor party's criticsm of israel, or the labor youth's calls for a boycott of israel... so that "christian fundamentalist" approach is probably about the best they can come up with for the time being...

could be there's other tactics lurking in the wings... but who knows?

Posted by: groundresonance | Jul 23, 2011 8:46:08 AM | 35

my google results for labor youth israel boycott are "About 2,310,000 results (0.17 seconds) "

but my result for " norway labor youth israel boycott " is "About 1,490,000 results (0.10 seconds) ". and the first listing is this:

M of A - Bomb In Norway Unlikely From Gaddhafi www.moonofalabama.org/.../bomb-in-norway-was-not-by-gaddhafi.html 22 hours ago – since the url failed to post in its entirety, google: norway labor youth israel boycott ...about 1490000 results. the norway labor party ...

iow, in the last 22 hrs the search results for " norway labor youth israel boycott " have not budged. how likely is that?

Posted by: annie | Jul 23, 2011 10:43:56 AM | 36

It's quite likely that the Google search results count is a made-up number, it's been tested before and the actual results are often capped at 1,000 I think, or you get to the full set of results and it's much less.

So use that metric cautiously!

Posted by: jonku | Jul 23, 2011 12:49:06 PM | 37

yeah, the google hits dont necessarily mean much, but it depends somewhat on the search terms...

meanwhile, if norway backs down on its support for palestinian statehood, and quits boycotting israeli goods, then what?

can we then assume that the operation was a success, no matter who was the mastermind?

i got to confess to an uneasy feeling about the whole thing... it seems pretty slick for some spur-of-the-moment plot hatched by a lunatic... but it followed the same pattern as 9/11 until the identity of the perp surfaced... "terrorism experts" trotted out by the main media to assign blame before the dust settled...

and, given the way this is working out, it's no wonder chertoff and pinkas waited a couple months before they shipped the happy dancers back to israel... they had to be sure the official story held, and it did.

this time, it didnt.

some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you.

Posted by: groundresonance | Jul 23, 2011 1:04:17 PM | 38

it was a norwegian pilot who murdered the Gadaffi family. the Norway PM when asked refused to say anything.
What do the euros think of the norway bombing? as opposed to their own bombing of Libya? is one the work of a vile terrorist? while the other is sweet humanitarian protection?

Posted by: brian | Jul 24, 2011 6:12:47 PM | 39

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