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May 2, 2011
Consequences: War On Pakistan

Missing in most current “western” news accounts of “Osama’s is dead” is that a helicopter was shut down and crashed during the operation (or was this a diversion?) and that the place of the event is only a short walk away from the Pakistani Military Academy in Abbottabad. And what about Umar Patek, “an al-Qaida-linked Indonesian militant,” who was captured in Abbottabad in late January? Also missing is analysis how this event relates to the botched attempt to assassinate Gaddafi a day earlier. Keep in mind that both operations were ordered by the same man in the White House.

One might believes that Osama Bin Laden was killed yesterday or, as I do, that he died years ago. One might believe that the U.S. killed him or the Pakistanis as Xinhua claims. The information we have is incomplete. It all does not really matter because most people on all sides will believe what the PTB and media are telling them. We need to keep that in mind if we want to understand the likely reactions to this event.

Shortly before the announcement the U.S. put its people in Afghanistan into unprecedented lock-down mode:

The ISAF (International Security Assistance Force) has taken an unusual step by issuing a warning to all internationals, alerting of coordinated “spectacular attacks”, kidnapping of internationals, suicide bombings, and all manner of general mayhem to kick off Sunday, 1 May. To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time ISAF has ever distributed a written warning to internationals at large, it’s also the first time ISAF has used social media to reach out to the general public.

The UN has sent all their internationals scurrying to seek shelter in local PRT’s and declared “WHITE CITY” countrywide. This means emergency road movements only. Afghan security forces (ANSF) are out in force all over the country. Our local workers are now clearly spooked, but oddly none of them seem to know of any specific threat.

It is there that the U.S. expects an immediate response but it as several other governments also issued a general terror and travel warning.

But any immediate response is most likely to come in Pakistan. The Pakistani Taliban are in revenge mode:

“Now Pakistani rulers, President Zardari and the army will be our first targets. America will be our second target,” Ehsanullah Ehsan, a spokesman for Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), or Taliban Movement of Pakistan, told Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location.

Asia Times Online contacts in the North Waziristan tribal area […] all confirmed an immediate and fierce retaliation against Pakistan and the breaking up of all ceasefire agreements with the Pakistan military.

The recent events will be perceived as another loss of Pakistani sovereignty and incite more anti-American feelings there and more hate for the Pakistani government cooperation with the United States.

A significant Pakistani Taliban campaign against its government can easily bring the country to the brink and keep it there for a while until saner powers in its military manage to pull it back. Any interference from outside, especially a continuation of the drone campaign, will make the situation worse and should be avoided. Unfortunately the U.S. is unlikely to be patient and will try to do something when it perceives a destabilizing and untrustworthy Pakistan. The result may be a war on Pakistan form the inside as well as the outside.

Attacks against fuel tankers supplying U.S. forces in Afghanistan through Pakistan will again be news even when, as the last three days provide, those attacks never really stopped.

It is unlikely that there will be a significant change of the situation in Afghanistan. “Al-Qaida” hasn’t played any role there for a quite long time. This summer Obama will remove a few thousand troops as planned but he will otherwise continue the campaign without much change of pace. If he would try to pull back from Afghanistan without more political cover the Republicans would immediately again call him “weak on defense issues.” The Afghan Taliban will also continue their attrition campaign as planned though events in Pakistan may make the northern NATO supply lines an even more juicy strategic target.

Other countries and the “al-Qaida affiliates” there are currently absorbed with local issues. The compromise solution in Yemen with Saleh stepping down failed and makes a civil war there more likely. AQ in the Mediterranean is busy fighting against Gaddafi and the Moroccan king. As the U.S. moves out AQ in Iraq will be looking for a fresh fight with the government there and may also get busy with Syria.

The “west” is therefore unlikely to feel an immediate backlash from Osama’s (perceived) death. The blow-back that will come will be indirect as the consequence of a further destabilizing Pakistan.

Comments

I agree with most of this, actually. Except for the unverifiable horseshit about his death years ago. Also, nobody really likes the Taliban, and in any case, the Taliban are hardly a threat to Punjabi elites, given the enormous factiousness of the Pashto- speaking peoples. What Pakistan has is a class problem, primarily.
However, for the record, let’s be perfectly clear about the role of Osama in fukUS. When Osama bin Laden bankrolled the notorious Khalid Sheik Mohammed to bring down the twin towers, Osama bin Laden was happily real enough for our friend b, who delighted in the outcome. If Osama bin Laden were still killing Americans with incontestable regularity, Osama bin Laden would no doubt retain his respectable status as the knight-errant in the battle against “empire.”

Posted by: slothrop | May 2 2011 16:07 utc | 1

War On Pakistan?
Sure, why not, what’s another war at this point? As Bush said, “Bring It On!”

Posted by: Morocco Bama | May 2 2011 16:16 utc | 2

@slothrop – When Osama bin Laden bankrolled the notorious Khalid Sheik Mohammed to bring down the twin towers, Osama bin Laden was happily real enough for our friend b, who delighted in the outcome.
Such a comment proves that you are nuts.

Posted by: b | May 2 2011 16:22 utc | 3

Third link on tanker attacks — On Sunday 14 tankers torched and 3 police officials killed. Whole lotta petrol going up in flames.
BTW, Bernhard, do you know when the post about the warnings to internationals in Afghanistan was put up? No time stamp. The first comment is timed at 20:10, 5/1, but no time zone mentioned.
Just curious as to how far in advance the warning went out. The Reuters article is dated 4/29, Friday.
I wonder if Obama wanted a big twofer weekend: Take out Ghadaffi and then take out OBL. News reports I heard said the US found out in August about OBL probably being in that compound. Long time before the “take out” attack….
My money is on our never knowing just what happened and when. How convenient to buy OBL at sea. To homor the 24 hour burial requirement for Muslims. Riiiiight. (Bobby Ghosh of Time Magazine was on WNYC this morning (NYC public radio) and said Saudi Arabie refused to take the body, along with other nations — so the US had no other choice. Really, Bobby?)

Posted by: jawbone | May 2 2011 16:30 utc | 4

I apologize. I went too far.

Posted by: slothrop | May 2 2011 16:39 utc | 5

no, that is not missing, that is pointed out very pointedly
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bin-laden-found-near-pakistans-sandhurst-2277871.html
I guess dirty linen will come out now.

Posted by: somebody | May 2 2011 16:56 utc | 6

I think they killed the actor that has been playing bin Laden in all the terribly convenient videos that were made after the real bin Laden died.

Posted by: Joseph | May 2 2011 17:40 utc | 7

So, I guess all this begs the question…What’s going to change? Not much, would be my best guess. Is the US going to stop killing folks around the globe at the behest of their sociopathic Randian overlords? Time reveals all, but again, I doubt it. With Ayn Rand’s minions fully in charge of US government and media, nothing will change. I hope for US, and the rest of humanity, I’m wrong.

Posted by: ben | May 2 2011 18:08 utc | 8

ben, in this Randian dystopia, Atlas didn’t shrug, he said fuck it, and got rid of the monkey on his back. The world is now free-falling into an Abyss of Rand’s creation.
What has transpired is the exact inverse of Rand’s novel, Atlas Shrugged, as described below, but with the same resulting implications:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged

The book explores a dystopian United States where leading innovators, ranging from industrialists to artists, refuse to be exploited by society. The protagonist, Dagny Taggart, sees society collapse around her as the government increasingly asserts control over all industry (including Taggart Transcontinental, the once mighty transcontinental railroad for which she serves as the Vice President of Operations), while society’s most productive citizens, led by the mysterious John Galt, progressively disappear. Galt describes the strike as “stopping the motor of the world” by withdrawing the “minds” that drive society’s growth and productivity. In their efforts, these people “of the mind” hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where people are slaves to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society.

It is the authority of any kind, be it Corporatist, or Communist, or any form, that has prevented Humanity from evolving and achieving its true potential. And, it’s the profit motive and its demands for growth and productivity that are collapsing the Eco System and all that it sustains. Like the characters in that twisted novel, I have withdrawn my support of this System. My hope is that others will do the same. I know a few here have already indicated they have…but we need more…..many more…the World over.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | May 2 2011 18:27 utc | 9

What I am very curios about is why the U.S. decided to dump Osama’s body so fast and in a way that leaves no trail. They said they ditched him into the sea within one day as it would fit “muslim custom”. That was obvious bullshit: Islamic scholars criticize bin Laden’s sea burial

Muslim clerics said Monday that Osama bin Laden’s burial at sea was a violation of Islamic tradition that may further provoke militant calls for revenge attacks against American targets.
Although there appears to be some room for debate over the burial _ as with many issues within the faith _ a wide range of senior Islamic scholars interpreted it as a humiliating disregard for the standard Muslim practice of placing the body in a grave with the head pointed toward the holy city of Mecca.
Sea burials can be allowed, they said, but only in special cases where the death occurred aboard a ship.
Bin Laden’s burial at sea “runs contrary to the principles of Islamic laws, religious values and humanitarian customs,” said Sheik Ahmed al-Tayeb, the grand Imam of Cairo’s al-Azhar mosque, Sunni Islam’s highest seat of learning.

I understand why he was dumped into the sea. It leaves no place to worship him. But why was he dumped so fast? Why no independent identification? Pictures etc? Was it him or just some dummy?

Posted by: b | May 2 2011 18:29 utc | 10

Speaking of dead terrorists, Orlando Bosch died last week in Miami.
His peaceful passing of old age on US soil was proof of Uncle Sam’s pious hypocrisy about terrorism.
Even the NYT obit conceded that Bosch was the mastermind of the 1976 Cubana passenger airline bombing which killed 73 people.

Posted by: Watson | May 2 2011 18:38 utc | 11

Who knows if he was really buried at sea? So far, virtually every facet of this story has the potential to generate conspiracy theories. It’s almost as if the event was designed TO generate conspiracy theories – because the more conspiracy theories generated the more likely the true explanation never sees the light of day.
What we do know, from empirical evidence and experience, and is also likely part of the “plan”, is that “they” ALWAYS lie – so that the truth, should it by chance ever actually emerge, it’s so weakened and diluted that nobody pays any attention to it.

Posted by: anna missed | May 2 2011 18:47 utc | 12

If Slothrop believes in bin Laden’s continued existence in the time period under consideration, he is also aware of the truces bin Laden offered. I believe they amounted to nothing more than the US dismantling the Mideast-Arab-Moslem parts of the Empire’s intrusion and keeping the then unthreatened Nation intact. Nothing that an American conservative but non-neocon nationalist or libertarian couldn’t abide.

Posted by: Ken Hoop | May 2 2011 18:48 utc | 13

Murder, Incorporated
Jeremy Scahill @ The Nation

Posted by: catlady | May 2 2011 18:52 utc | 14

@am – I think they always lie because they always have something to hide; the problem is we practically never know what exactly they are hiding, we can only express judgements on the methods, the results, etc

Posted by: claudio | May 2 2011 18:53 utc | 15

MB @ 9: Yep, thanks for providing the bulk for my posting. I think most people don’t get the Rand influence here in the US on our domestic & foreign policy.

Posted by: ben | May 2 2011 19:01 utc | 16

coupla things bother me about this whole mess. first is the cheering and celebrating of a man’s death. even if he is as bad as most think (and there are plenty who fervently believe him to be a hero as well), his death should be a somber moment and not a massive party such as that after a soccer team wins the world cup. such blood lust scares me, we didn’t used to be like this.
the second is the admission that US troops are operating in Pakistan without cooperation by the Pakistanis themselves….or are the Pakistanis only saying that to somehow shield themselves from the supposed backlash that we are told will come now that OBL has been done in? No one in corporate media has even mentioned this to my knowledge. it could be I suppose that the US public has become used to the idea that the US military goes into any country it wants to and kills whoever they see fit. that is a concept that slothrop would certainly embrace.

Posted by: dan of steele | May 2 2011 19:35 utc | 17

So, I guess all this begs the question…What’s going to change? Not much, would be my best guess. – ben at 8
OBama’s ratings and standing will go up, and soon rapidly sink again. Basically, this an internal US matter. Outside the US, most everyone knows OBL’s death is immaterial, trivial, or a fake PR stunt. EU media, what I heard today was hilarious:
On France Culture (Sark controlled since 5 months before he was elected, they fired a bunch of ppl and told the station to get with the support ISR stuff), one blithe lady went on about how OBL’s killing was a superb triumph because without him, as ah hem, a great speaker, charismatic leader, used modern communications, facebouk no less, was on the internet, had gobs of money, billions of followers! – AlQ would die out. (Total crap.)
The next speaker threw cold water on all that…and was cut off! Then there was nothing but frizzle or dead air. Then someone came on and said Oh if OBL is dead there are always the second and third in command, AlQ will live on and may be made stronger by the death of the patriarch who was past it, he had like? systemic disease, and new blood coming in, more vigorous, and violent, don’t you know.
In short, they had no clue how to spin this event – showing in a 15 min. segment all the contradictions.
b. when I saw the headline OBL killed, i thought, so they blew him to bits, no body to identify.

Posted by: Noirette | May 2 2011 19:55 utc | 18

@MB
you recipe (“withdraw support”), I’m afraid, isn’t particularly effective nowadays; authority dispenses easily with talent and creativity; capitalism, thanks to the dominance of global finance, isn’t tied anymore to national development in any form; wars can’t be really lost anymore, thanks to technological dominance; solidarity has been subordinated to social darwinism; so irresponsibility has become the dominant trait of power in our times;
that said, I agree that a society that dispenses with vital and constructive human forces is ultimately doomed – but the best students are still lured, I think, in the military-industrial complex, where talent and creativity are (obscenely) appreciated, and in the always blooming financial sector, so the decline will be very long unless other actors step in, to avoid being dragged in the Empire’s decline, lawlessness, criminality
there’s also another aspect to consider; maybe we are going towards a society that defies traditional humanistic values, but finds other kinds of cohesion: maybe fear, greed, tribalism, racism can hold together an atomized society? it’s terrible, but I think yes, they can; the XX century has only witnessed a few primitive attempts at this; neoliberism is much more refined

Posted by: claudio | May 2 2011 20:10 utc | 19

@b

Also missing is analysis how this event relates to the botched attempt to assassinate Gaddafi a day earlier. Keep in mind that both operations were ordered by the same man in the White House.

if everything was under control, and synchronism was desired, Obama could simply have called off the strike on OBL after the strike against Gaddafi failed; or you mean to say that OBL was killed because the strike on Gaddafi failed? I’m way too naive for certain calculations, I admit
how can you know if the strike on Gaddafi failed? maybe it was a “test”, in which case how would you judge public opinion’s reaction? so negative as to deter the assassination of Gaddafi? or indifferent enough to be interpreted as a green light? and would Gaddafi really be worth spending that “special electoral bonus” on? I mean, if you believe he was dead long ago, then Obama was in a position to choose the most favorable moment, right? and why didn’t the Republicans play the bonus for McCain, instead of leaving it to Obama?
ok, ok, enough, I’m calm now ..

Posted by: claudio | May 2 2011 20:24 utc | 20

Thx catlady…
So according to Jeremy Scahill our policy is targeted assassination as a staple of US foreign policy.

JSOC: The Black Ops Force That Took Down Bin Laden

So, to rehash,
we created OBL
we created Mujahideen
we created Al-Qaida/Taliban
we created GWOT
we created Targeted assassination (as foreign policy) against anyone or any group on the planet, am I leaving anything out?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 2 2011 20:29 utc | 21

The more I look around the net for credible evidence the less convinced I am he’s dead. Make no mistake, i am not a birther type, if anything my own bias would be fine with his death (since there will be no trial).
I’m just saying so far we have sketchy evidence at best…. and the birthers and truthers will likely ride the sea burial as a conspiracy theory longer than theories spawned in the wake of Kennedy’s assassination.

Posted by: Eureka Springs | May 2 2011 22:12 utc | 22

I found this as a most useful analysis on Pakistan today, even if it was written before OBL’s death (ok, presumed death according to the majority of MoA commentators):
Pakistan stares at Bush’s pledges
By MK Bhadrakumar

Posted by: claudio | May 2 2011 22:37 utc | 23

War Room

President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, along with members of the national security team, receive an update on the mission against Osama bin Laden in the Situation Room of the White House, May 1, 2011. Please note: a classified document seen in this photograph has been obscured. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)
This official White House photograph is being made available only for publication by news organizations and/or for personal use printing by the subject(s) of the photograph. The photograph may not be manipulated in any way and may not be used in commercial or political materials, advertisements, emails, products, promotions that in any way suggests approval or endorsement of the President, the First Family, or the White House.

I’m convinced Jr, President Cheney, Redrum, and team did this in BDSM COSTUMES with hookers (gay and not) party favors, blow and CHILDREN.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 2 2011 22:40 utc | 24

More background on Ayn Rand:
She was a full on Sociopath who hated Altruism.
She considered greed and self interest the highest human motives.
The leading men in the her two most popular books were based on her love for a man who kidnapped, murdered, and dismembered a twelve yr. old girl in ’27. She considered him a “Superman.”
Although she railed against social programs her entire life, she died on Social Security and Medicare.
She spent her entire adult life sucking up to the wealthy, espousing that greed and avarice were virtues instead of liabilities.
Reagan, Greenspan, Paul Ryan & most of the modern Conservative movement idolize this woman, as do most of the mega-corporate elite. And they, in modern day US, run the lions share of our gov. and media.

Posted by: ben | May 2 2011 23:20 utc | 25

Sorry b, for the off topic bs.

Posted by: ben | May 2 2011 23:23 utc | 26

I love off topics (that really aren’t, btw) on MoA; I’m sure b does too – i mean, he opened a bar, not an academy, right (a bar for would-be academics)?
that Rand story is fascinating (in a macabre sense)

Posted by: claudio | May 2 2011 23:52 utc | 27

claudio @ 27: Try the Wallace interview at google on Ayn Rand.
Sorry, can’t seem to link.

Posted by: ben | May 3 2011 1:51 utc | 28

I dunno I read The Fountainhead sometime back in the 80’s when reagan, thatcher were in full flight n the chicago school acolytes had set the country of my birth (although I wasn’t living there at the time) to be a laboratory for swinging a community from social justice driven society to a dog eats dog world of hurt without having to put the human humans into a soccer stadium and shoot em.
I guess I over estimated the insights the book was meant to contain. It struck me as being an exaggerated attempt to literise (or some other verb for ascribing ‘literary’ values) a soap opera. From what I can remember it read like Dynasty (the soapie of the era) with big words and little else.
I just grabbed the epub and have had a flick through to discover my initial impression of ‘Ayn’ (the outre spelling of an otherwise prosaic given name says it all really) was pretty much on the money.
Neoliberals and the suckerfish parasites who linger around their anus like their concepts simple and free of ambiguity. Rand gives them that although I’d have to say that if you could get past the big hair ‘Dynasty’ prolly had more reality to it.
Here’s a link to The Fountainhead epub if anyone wants to check my impressions for themselves.
File name: The Fountainhead – Ayn Rand.epub
File size:843.43 KB

just click the free ‘slower download it’s only 843 KB even at low speed it gets to ya faster than a blink.
Anyone who doesn’t have a ebook reader should suss ‘Calibre’ out the open source ebook manager that co-ordinates ebooks between putas, phones ereaders like kobo or the manufactured in concentration camps ipad. It can also be persuaded to work with those applications that strip the drm from ebooks that peeps pay for to find they are only allowed to use their property on certain restricted and expensive pieces of consumerist garbage.
Latest Calibre link for windows
for linux
for Mac osx (rinses out mouth)

Posted by: Debs is dead | May 3 2011 2:21 utc | 29

Consequences : Libya and Syria out of the news. Not even AJE has created their Daily Blog pages for the two ‘uprisings’. I guess they don’t have the spare hands to fill them even with a few of the latest updates while trying to fill the whole website with empty ‘information’ about the Demised Bogeyman.
Nevertheless the Syria uprising was already dying down through the weekend but we will need to wait at least until the end of the week to this Bogeyman Mania to die down to be sure …

Posted by: ThePaper | May 3 2011 10:42 utc | 30

@DoS – is the admission that US troops are operating in Pakistan without cooperation by the Pakistanis themselves….or are the Pakistanis only saying that to somehow shield themselves from the supposed backlash that we are told will come now that OBL has been done in?
The Pakistanis cooperated in the show. Abbottabad man recounts ‘firing, grenades’ from bin Laden raid

He said the power in town went out a couple of hours before the raid, which was unusual as was the way in which unidentified troops were hustling about prior to the raid. The power was restored 15 minutes after the raid.

“The American government has said that they did not let the Pakistani government know beforehand and that they were going to launch an operation there. But Abbottabad is some distance away from the Afghanistan border where presumably the helicopter would have flown in from. And then to have a whole city without electricity before the operation and foreign helicopters to enter the airspace and to come all the way inside the country and then to leave as well, the Pakistani military operation would have known and were probably part of this operation.”

Now what was the deal behind this cooperation?

Posted by: b | May 3 2011 10:55 utc | 31

Interesting interview with an Abbottabad resident
Interesting isn’t?

Posted by: hans | May 3 2011 11:05 utc | 32

I agree with most of this, actually. Except for the unverifiable horseshit about his death years ago.
Well, unverifiable, of course. But there were many reports, including eye-witness ones (again: ?). OBL was a very sick man, I think there is no doubt about that, you can even note it in the real pre-9/11 videos of him. Surviving on dialysis that long in poor conditions…?
The last time he was seen alive in public and photographed was in the late fall of 01, at his son’s wedding. A French F mag (Marie Claire, iirc) published a lavish photo spread, lovely orientalist glam stuff. They cut Binny out of the pix (or did not include any featuring him) and that created a bit of controversy. 1
Outside the US, in many places, the Bin Laden family is famous and respected, as they are colorful, influential, and wildly rich, and having a super black sheep only adds spice, as most don’t believe Binny, while of hyper conservative and traditionalist frame of mind, and fanatical about it, had anything to do with 9/11. (Nor was he wanted by the FBI for 9/11 btw.) The reason many ppl (like myself) believed he was deceased is that the family seemed to believe it, without ever daring to state it categorically, as it was understood that the US uses him as a sort of semi-fictional propaganda prop.
Anyway, as b implies the truth of the matter is not very relevant.
What is hallucinating is that extra-judicial killing is seemingly completely accepted. (See also Saif Kadhafi)
1 google will turn up pix of Binny at this wedding feast, but they are fakes, and show an inserted personage, the ‘fatty Bin Laden’, who also appears in some post 9/11 videos. He (the real OBL) was present there, though.

Posted by: Noirette | May 3 2011 11:14 utc | 33

Ayn Rand, ha ha. I knew one of her relatives, who foisted Atlas Shrug and The Fountain (as I called them) on me, this person’s life mission appeared to be promoting the famous relative. My reading level in Eng. was good to go for Agatha Christie, whom I loved, as well as some comics. Taught to never write in a book, to treat hardbacks with reverence, 10 years later I sold both of them for a respectable sum, to go and party in Spain.
I couldn’t make sense of them at the time, and have never re-read them. Had a great vacation though.

Posted by: Noirette | May 3 2011 11:37 utc | 34

Re: Interesting interview with an Abbottabad resident on Al Jazeera.
The man, who has lived in Abbottabad all his life and owns property next to the alleged Bin Laden compound, says that the area is “restricted” and that you have to show identification to get in. And that he doesn’t believe Bin Laden could have been living there.
Also I’d like to know what happened to the 22 other people allegedly killed or captured during the raid.

Posted by: Emma | May 3 2011 11:40 utc | 35

Another weird issue: There are pictures of the downed helicopter wreckage I tried to identify. I can’t and even the identification cracks at militaryphotos.net cannot make sense out of them.
The wreckage seems to be either of an unknown secret helicopter type or a decoy.
This whole story stinks.

Posted by: b | May 3 2011 15:38 utc | 36

Weird. The MilitaryPhotos thread was killed while I was reading it.

Posted by: ThePaper | May 3 2011 16:01 utc | 37

I’m not into military HW but that tail looks really weird.

Posted by: ThePaper | May 3 2011 16:02 utc | 38

What,MOA is back?! I’ve been missing this blog, hello again b!

Posted by: bokonon | May 3 2011 16:02 utc | 39

Found another forum linking to the original thread (now deleted or moved somewhere else …).

Posted by: ThePaper | May 3 2011 16:08 utc | 40

The military photos thread is here:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?197635-The-mysterious-helicopter-involved-in-the-Osama-Bin-Laden-raid

Posted by: bokonon | May 3 2011 16:48 utc | 41

White House: Bin Laden not armed during US raid“Carney said bin Laden’s wife “rushed the U.S. assaulter””
I also read somewhere Obomba literally watched the whole thing, wouldn’t that send a normal person over the edge, disrupt their sleep, cause some sibilance of trauma? Or are our leaders expected to deal with the power over life and cold blood murder?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 3 2011 19:40 utc | 42