The Coming Invasion of Libya

April 12, 2011

It seems that a decision has been made to invade Libya. It possibly was the plan all along. The troops to do so are getting lined up as I write and, even more important, the propaganda case for "humanitarian intervention" is getting build.

The plan is to attack Gaddafi's troops in Misurata and thereby cut Libya and the main coastal road in half. Gaddafi will probably be allowed to keep the western part with the capitol Tripoli but he will have to give up all of the eastern parts including the important oil cities Brega and Ras Lanuf. Currently Gaddafi loyals hold these cities but with the supply route cut by an invasion force they would have to surrender soon.

The amphibious assault ship USS Bataan went on "surge" deployment at the end of March from Norfolk. It is likely to be accompanied by the usual cruiser, a submarine and a support ship. The ship carries a marine detachment of some 1900 troops. The British amphibious assault ship HMS Albion left Plymouth on April 7 heading to the Mediterranean along with the frigate HMS Sutherland, soldiers from 40 Commando Royal Marines and a supply ship. The British marines often work together with the Dutch marines. Since 1973 there is a UK/NL Landing Forces within NATO. So I wonder where the Hr.Ms. Johan de Witt and its marine battalion currently is. The French also have good assault capabilities and are likely to join in.

Together those troops make up more than a full mechanized brigade with all the support they could ever need. Having air superiority that is enough to handle any force Gaddafi could put up should he suddenly behave dumb and decide to fight them in the open.

Unlike Gaddafi the rebels rejected the ceasefire the African Union was negotiating. A British and a U.S. envoy were standing next to the rebel leaders when that announcement was made.

The propaganda case gets build around the city of Misurata, which is still partly held by rebels under assault from Gaddafi loyalists. Human Rights Watch, always on the right side, is whining:

Gaddafi loyalists have also targeted a medical clinic in the besieged town, with even women, children and the elderly being murdered.
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HRW quoted Dr. Muhammad el-Fortia, who is employed at Misrata Hospital, who stated that 257 people have been killed and 949 wounded and hospitalized since February 19 in the city. The wounded included 22 women and eight children.

The numbers actually show the opposite of what HRW wants to imply in the first sentences. If only 3% of the wounded are women and children it is certain that there are no intentional attacks on civilians. Out of 1.400 killed in Israel's 2008 war on Gaza at least 300, 20%, were children. That is was indiscriminate killing and attacks on clinics result in. Gaddafi's forces seem to be far more disciplined and are obviously fighting mostly male rebels.

France and Britain claim that NATO is "not doing enough". Well, NATO is doing what the UNSC resolution allows and even a bit more than that. But these insults are just to build pressure on other NATO countries.

The European Union is pressing the United Nations to allow an EUFOR Libya military support mission for "humanitarian aid" to Misurata. So far the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affair rejected such a mission saying there is no need for it.

That is certainly right. Three days ago a Red Cross ship docked in Misurata with medical supplies and earlier a Turkish ship evacuated hundreds of wounded. This was done without military escorts and without problems.

But with some more NGO "reports" and alarming anonymous phone calls to Aljazeerah, Gaddafi's assault on rebels will be propagandized into being an all out war against the population. The UN will get pressed to allow intervention and the first few soldiers will be put on the ground to protect a "humanitarian mission".

Those soldiers will be shot at immediately, it will not matter by whom, and that will require a "rescue mission" which then comes from the amphibious assault ships and their marines battalions. Misurata will get occupied and the coastal road cut. With the help from the CIA and various special operation forces the rebels will then renew their attacks from the eastern city Benghazi towards Brega and Ras Lanuf. With Gaddafi loyals there cut off from resupply the rebels chances to take those cities will be easier than in their first failed attempts.

After that the next step can be taken. The institution of a "western" occupying force under a different label.

Posted by b on April 12, 2011 at 16:22 UTC | Permalink

Comments

Exactly as I called it from day one…..and yet I don’t get paid for my prognostications. Tis a cruel world, indeed. It’s not Rocket Science, there is no secret. It’s a lot like painting by numbers….just connect the dots…and voila, you have a not so pretty picture.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 12 2011 17:00 utc | 1

are you reading a crystal ball, b.?
this is from al Jazeera
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5:32pm
The “Circassians of the Caucasus”, a Russian minority group, is reportedly waiting for a reply from Gaddafi after volunteering to join his army.
Originally from the volatile North Causasus region, a 19th century Tsarist military campaign caused many to flee their homeland, says Reuters, with large diaspora in Syria, Turkey – and Libya. Aslan Beshto, who helped draft this letter, said:
We wanted to pay back our debt to Libya for accepting Circassians who fled to the country during the Russo-Circassian War.
Reuters adds that some 7million Circassians are spread across the world, and about 700,000 remain in the northwest Caucasus. Circassian groups count 30,000 of their kinsmen in Libya, with 20,000 and 10,000 living in the rebel-held towns of Misurata and Benghazi respectively.
#
Timestamp:
5:08pm
NATO has not asked the United States to resume “strike sorties” or to “amplify” its military role in Libya, the Pentagon tells Reuters.”

Posted by: somebody | Apr 12 2011 17:09 utc | 2

We take only the oily parts that we need? That is a pretty good guess. If Gaddafi goes along with being in charge of the part that is left there will be no need for the evil empire to waste as many innocent lives as it usually does. Is Israel giving the green light for this course?

Posted by: Joseph | Apr 12 2011 17:39 utc | 3

A quick search indicates that Libya has over the years built up a stockpile of hundreds of Italian and Russian anti-ship missiles. If these have been dispersed and hidden on mobile launchers, and Libya has some way to detect and track ships off its coast (a few drones or even balloons would do), a sea-based invasion would end in disaster for the attacker. While Sarkozy may be reckless enough to try almost anything I’d be pretty sure that the UK government and the Royal Navy wouldn’t want to risk a repeat of the Suez adventure.

Posted by: pmr9 | Apr 12 2011 19:06 utc | 4

speaking of the potential for disaster – an oldie but a goodie from tom naylor’s Ghosts of terror wars past? Crime, terror and America’s first clash with the saracen hordes:

There followed a derisory, four year campaign in which the U.S. attempted to impose on Tripoli a naval blockade, only to be profoundly embarassed when the Tripolitan side captured the largest warship in the U.S. Navy along with its 300 man crew. In response, U.S. frigates subjected Tripoli to ruthless and indiscriminate bombardment, a dress rehearsal for what would be visited upon Baghdad and other Iraqi cities two hundred years later. The damage would have been worse if an American plan to sail a ship loaded with explosives deep into the harbor before blowing it up had not been thwarted by Libyan shore defenses. The American crew who died were, of course, lauded as military heros rather than derided as failed suicide bombers.
Nor was this the end of the striking victories. After he was expelled from Tripoli, William Eaton fell back on Cairo where he plotted to replace the Dayi with a pliable, exiled older brother. To put the plan into effect, Eaton led a mixed detachment of mercenaries and Marines across the desert to capture the weakly defended town of Dernah. It had no impact on the course of the military campaign; the conquering force was soon beseigned in turn; and the Dayi, who had never wanted war, soon secured from the U.S. government the peace he had been seeking. The new treaty reduced (but did not eliminate) the subsidies; but it gave the Dayi his recognition as a sovereign power.
However, America’s first foreign contest had an enormous propaganda effect back home, even inspiring the stirring lines in the Marine corps hymn: “…to the shores of Tripoli.” Under the circumstances, it would have been mean-spirited to point out that U.S. forces were largely foreign mercenaries who came in by land and that Dernah was about 800 miles east of Tripoli. While the American population was exhulting in its first great victory over Islamic Terror, Mediterranean states were taking note of what seemed from their perspective an impressive Libyan military performance. For them there was no “shock and awe” from America’s first overseas campaign, while its first “regime change” plot had been an utter failure. The American setback in Tripoli probably ensured that the U.S. would not become a colonial power in North Africa — that honor would go primarily to France, with Spain, Britain and Italy vying for their share. Arguably, America’s subsequent decision to focus its lunge for empire westward, across the Continent, then over the Pacific, grew at least in part out of less-than-inspired results in the Mediterranean; but there is little point in trying to explain that to the Pentagon today.

use the wayback machine to search on http://www.citizensadvocate.net/promotional/10611_2006_9013_OnlinePDF.pdf for a pdf of complete article.

Posted by: b real | Apr 12 2011 19:32 utc | 5

I said on the other thread: Was this the plan all along?
If Ghadafi seems like holding sway in all of this it is assumed he will tear up the Total/Shell/BP concessions; I expect troops on the ground from Sarkozy and Cameroon.
No plan whatsoever. Which you agreed with.
I saw this today from the Guardian today, and thought Cameron was briefing him for something special, Tory payback for backing Blair methinks.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Apr 12 2011 19:46 utc | 6

NATO continues its orwellian mission of killing civilians to save them….
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/12/3189752.htm?section=justin
the EU was supposed to end war..not facilitate armed invasions. The rebels want the EU(NATO) to carpet bomb african cities in order to gain power…This is a new crusade/neocolonial invasion arabs and africans ca both appreciate whats happening beneath the fog of official justifications.
SO when can afriac invade UK or France, aid the besieged scots or bretons in their bid for power? when the peacful protesting scots take town after town with armed might and are repulsed by Her Majesties forces, can they call in air strikes by africans or asian govts to aid their right to rule?

Posted by: brian | Apr 12 2011 21:47 utc | 7

‘France and Britain claim that NATO is “not doing enough”. Well, NATO is doing what the UNSC resolution allows and even a bit more than that. But these insults are just to build pressure on other NATO countries.’
the US re 1973 does NOT allow armed aggression against a member state…period..so please dont act as if it does. These attacks are war crimes, but will the ICC take NATO to court? Or is that reserved for africans?

Posted by: brian | Apr 12 2011 21:49 utc | 8

Taibbi:

“..And at a time when America is borrowing from the Middle East at interest rates of three percent, why did the Fed extend $35 billion in loans to the Arab Banking Corporation of Bahrain at interest rates as low as one quarter of one point?
Even more disturbing, the major stakeholder in the Bahrain bank is none other than the Central Bank of Libya, which owns 59 percent of the operation. In fact, the Bahrain bank just received a special exemption from the U.S. Treasury to prevent its assets from being frozen in accord with economic sanctions. That’s right: Muammar Qaddafi received more than 70 loans from the Federal Reserve,…”

Rolling Stone – The Real Housewives of Wall St.

Posted by: Jeremiah | Apr 12 2011 23:35 utc | 9

hmm, i’m still having a hunch the US is looking to locate africom in libya.

Posted by: annie | Apr 13 2011 0:43 utc | 10

‘That’s right: Muammar Qaddafi received more than 70 loans from the Federal Reserve,…”‘
does this mean Gadaffi IS the Bank of libya? or can we take it this is Taibbis view? How come Libyas(not Gadaffis) holdings abroad have been frozen..and stolen by the very people who have committed the supreme war crime and invaded Libya?
As a commentator on Libya, Taibbi has shot himself in the foot.

Posted by: brian | Apr 13 2011 0:50 utc | 11

annie, I think that is certainly one barnacle that will attach itself to this latest whale of a military adventure. There are many more barnacles along for the ride ready to feed off the spoils of this host. Concomitant exploitations…..why limit yourself to one or two, when you can exploit to your heart’s delight.
All Aboard!!
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/r_jddfaYM8Y/0.jpg

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 13 2011 0:59 utc | 12

b real
many articles which couldnt be found in google’s cache can be retrieved from wayback…..provided we have the original link.
but seems that it doesnt work well with tinyurl.
moroco [1]
my 6 sense told me the libyan uprising was another cia caper,
as borned out by more evidence coming out everyday
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/libya-rebels-had-nato-weapons-from-day-1-brand-new-in-the-box/
brian confirmed my hunch when he linked to the rebels cia background
while u were claiming that uncle sham ramroded that special clause in the un resolution specificaly to protect kadaffi’s *mercenaries*
annie
i answered u in the other thread about that johnnycrory article

Posted by: denk | Apr 13 2011 3:39 utc | 13

amerikka the outlaw
* The Gulf of Sidra conflicts with Libya in the 1980s occurred whenever the U.S. 6th Fleet established a huge “zone of exclusion” just off the Libyan coast, and threatened any aircraft or ships that approached. In one incident, a hotdog Navy F-14 pilot shot down two Libyan Su-22s which were cruising off the coast. The Navy concocted a phony “dogfight” story in which an old Libyan Su-22 fired first and the Navy pilot became a hero. In 1988, the USS Vincennes shot down a Iranian airline which came within 12 miles of its self declared security zone. For the past ten years, the USA has mocked international law by unilaterally imposing “no-fly zones” over most of Iraq and parts of the Balkans.*
http://www.g2mil.com/May2001.htm

Posted by: denk | Apr 13 2011 4:53 utc | 14

One of the aspects of amerikan culture and its primary function of indoctrination of the masses which I find most interesting but abhorrent, is the way hollywood is onto the latest moves before events have occurred which would make the subject ‘topical’.
Jerry Bruckheimer was the obvious instigator back in the bush years. Bruckheimer’s work became confused when he turned an actual event, the invasion of Iraq into a set for his movie “Jessica maid of Nasiriyah”. It was an action movie using hollywood special effects techniques during an actual firefight (albeit a platoon of marine versus 3 nurses, 2 hospital janitors and an angry Arab). Of course the worst part of that hollywood masterpiece was the huge offense it gave the Iraqi doctors whose hospitals were yet to be ‘collaterally damaged’ into ruins by USuk, and who had taken a lot of effort to give Jessica the same high quality free hospital care that all Iraqis once received (before the invasion).
But that is history now. Hollywood whose efforts to stay ahead of the imperial hi jinks have left the ME far behind (it just didn’t get bums on seats; it turned out no one wanted to see their ‘troops’ murdering and raping for oil). But the call has gone out again, the national psyche has to be readied for what comes next, shooting blackfellas, no not at home on the streets of detroit or LA; back where they belong, in Africa.
So a new movie title Sniper Reloaded has just been released. it sounds like a warezed video game doesn’t it? These vultures will even trade on the names of the crews they call pirates and thieves.
Here is the plot outline “While working with the UN Forces in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Marine Sgt. Brandon Beckett (Chad Michael Collins), son of renowned sniper Thomas Beckett, receives orders to rescue a European farmer trapped in the middle of hostile rebel territory. When he and his men arrive at the farm, a mysterious sniper ambushes them, wounding Beckett and killing everyone else. With the help of his father’s former protégé, sniper instructor Richard Miller (Billy Zane), Beckett must learn to think like a sniper to track down the assassin before the sniper returns to finish the job.”
So many dog whistles. The notion of black snipers links up with the lies about the Libyan government hiring sub Saharan Africans to snipe at the innocent protesters (Those brave protesters who carry missile launchers purely for self defense).
Of course the Congo is the part of Africa that amerika really wants. Has always wanted it, the old cwhiefella owners were belgique, doubtless they were told that was gonna be the cost for kicking the germans outta Belgium a second time no one asked the real owners. Why would they?
The most gob-smacking part is the ‘white farmer’ angle. Not even the pretense of finding a black capitalist who walks and talks like a bourgeois whitefella, which is how these things are usually handled in movies/TV about shooting African americans. It can only mean the message is that there are no worthy africans in the Congo that ‘over there’ only whitefellas matter.
Just on that. Why are all amerikan TV police bosses black? Not that they are real bosses of course, everyone has seen how the magic whitefella hero always knows how to handle the situation better than any promoted by quota black lieutenant.
Ten years ago a movie featuring “the troops” or “our boys n girls” working with the UN would have caused a riot amongst the peeps it was aimed at. The UN was believed to be more interested in invading amerika and installing a communist dictatorship’ than “helping democracy” (pause for vomit).
Yet here we are back to 1960 when amerika ran the UN forces determined to crave the Congo outta the hands of its indigenous inhabitants. It can only mean that some oblamblam backer is having a wet dream about doing just that after the 2012 election.
I always wonder how the mechanism works? Who tells the boys at warners or paramount what they need to churn out next? Is it all done through the MPAA, or do alphabet intelligence agencies have full time agents at the top of all the big studios and networks?

Posted by: Debs is dead | Apr 13 2011 5:35 utc | 15

debs
the amerikkan psyop is a very well oiled machinery
from cia to the msm, the *ngos* n hollywood, everybody chipped in , wittingly or otherwise.
every amerikka concoted *hr* campaign has some celebrities to ensorse it, thus we’ve richard gere, etc for tibet, george clooney , mia farrow for sudan, angela jolie http://tinyurl.com/3t2go7y for libya etc etc
all in all, we’ve what the cia called its *giant wurlitzer*
+we play the world’s like a giant wurlitzer+

Posted by: denk | Apr 13 2011 6:08 utc | 16

Now Libya is fighting with NATO forces from so many days but it gains nothing both sides so many people have died and lot of people are injured with this war so Libya should think of it. No one can gain anything with this war. Only peace talks are the best solution for this problem.

Posted by: prasad | Apr 13 2011 9:48 utc | 17

“Who tells the boys at warners or paramount what they need to churn out next? Is it all done through the MPAA, or do alphabet intelligence agencies have full time agents at the top of all the big studios and networks?”

Debs, your question is founded on the laughable assertion that the heads of these studios are capable of thinking for themselves. They are fully captured – no further monitoring/stationing is necessary.

Posted by: Jeremiah | Apr 13 2011 10:43 utc | 18

Wrong, denk. I took issue with you claiming the CIA was out to get the Marvelous Mug for the last 40 years. If the CIA, or the Military Indistrial Complex, wanted the Marvelous Mug out of the way, and he wasn’t useful to them in some way, he would have been gone long ago. I still contend that.
I said from Day 1 that there would be a NATO invasion and occupation of Libya. I didn’t want to squabble over the particulars of how those interested parties exploited factions on the ground and fomented unrest.
It’s you that has to answer for your assertion that they have been after the Marvelous Mug all these years, and it’s only now that they appear they may be successful. Your theory makes no sense, whatsoever.
Also, you have to answer for coddling the Marvelous Mug and holding this scum on a pedestal. I don’t buy into the Dualistic choice we are offered as spectators of these world events, that choice being supporting a mad man such as the Marvelous Mug, or supporting the Mad Promethean Beast that is the MIC.
Unlike you, I support neither, because I see them both as different heads of the same monster.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 13 2011 11:17 utc | 19

Does anyone else find denk’s spelling of “America” curious? Is it code of some sort? There was once a poster to ICH (I don’t visit that site any longer because I believe it to be a Mossad honey pot psyops to draw out rabid Jew haters) named Henk who had a very similar pattern to denk here. He appeared incapable of genuine dialogue, and spammed the board with links to tiny urls. He had a following of Jew hating fans who kissed his feet and hands and defended him zealously.
I’m just trying to connect dots once again.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 13 2011 11:24 utc | 20

@ Morrocco
No I don’t find his spelling curious – many people spell it that way especially when they are angry at whatever racist violence the US has recently committed – one thing we can all count on is the occurrence of racist violence by the US Military
drawing a tenuous link to someone else somewhere else seems decidedly unfair of you, given that I’ve seen nothing even remotely resembling ‘Jew-Hate’ from denk so far
the similarity in names proves absolutely nothing – and in this thread alone s/he has linked to numerous sites and not just tinyurl.com
some people like to post long rambling comments, some people prefer short sharp ones – ‘dialogue’ on the net is over-rated – often by those that like to think of themselves as ‘interlectuals’,. I often find that, despite their bloated verbosity, they are the least informative and are essentially just empty-headed fools who like to hear their own voice, mom+pop must have had enough money to pay for education of their little darlings way way way beyond their intellectual capabilities
attacking denk and trying to portray him/her as a ‘Jew-hater’ just because s/he dared to disagree with you is pretty low, IMHO

Posted by: hu bris | Apr 13 2011 12:27 utc | 21

interesting article at ATOL re Libyan Banking

Posted by: bevin | Apr 13 2011 13:02 utc | 22

That’s not convincing, Hu, and it doesn’t address denk’s weak hypothesis about the CIA and his idol worship of the Marvelous Mug.
I agree with slothrop in that the blame tends to be levied on the U.S….or “America,” when in fact, it’s much more complex than that. Saying “America” this and “America” that is scapegoating. It’s a canard. Last time I checked, Corporations are Multi-National, meaning they have no allegiance to any nation state. They use the U.S. military as a division to weild the big stick in their operations, but that doesn’t make them “American” except in appearance only. Anyone who keeps pushing that “America” only line without fail, is only aiding the cause of Corporatism which seeks to set up foils everywhere to take the fall, if it ever comes to that, for their dirty deeds done dirt cheap…..meaning on the backs of clueless taxpayers who would gladly, but unwittingly, vote for and support their own demise. Meanwhile, the real culprits and usual suspects escape out the back door…once again.
Last time I checked, also, MOA is not an aggregator site where only links are deposited. There is incredible insightful commentary and discussion here that can help people think critically and process the bevy of information, and disinformation, with which we are bombarded daily. In that sense, denk appears to be a propagandist handing out leaflets to the naive and bewildered. For what purpose remains to be seen, and is grounds for an exercise in conjecture for which I have no interest.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 13 2011 13:14 utc | 23

In refutation to denk who wants to make it appear that I had this latest excursion all wrong, I found this. I believe that both sides of a conflict are aided and abetted until one or the other, or both, are jettisoned once they have served their purpose, so yes, I stick by my assertion that the U.S. insisted that the wording be exact in the UN Resolution in order to protect the asses of the operatives in the field aiding and abetting both sides of this fabricated altercation.

What giap said @ 98. The ICC is a joke. Criminals prosecuting criminals, is all it it is. Kabuki theater by vermin who are not Kabuki artists. A poor rendition.
Like I said, this is sizing up to be a NATO intervention like the Yugoslavian venture. It’s always about Geopolitical Strategy as it relates to resource control, including extraction and distribution. Libya cannot be allowed to slip to stage #4, which is Uncontrolled Order. It must be #1, or #2.
Posted by: Morocco Bama | Feb 27, 2011 9:09:57 AM | 115

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 13 2011 13:50 utc | 24

No I don’t find his spelling curious – many people spell it that way especially when they are angry at whatever racist violence the US has recently committed
According to that logic, then you and denk also have the same anger towards Morocco.
You spelled it “Morrocco”
denk spelled it “moroco”
In your defense, you at least capitalized it, but then denk capitalized nothing.
So, who would want to foment hate towards the U.S., blaming it for all the ills of the world, and yet also hate a country like Morocco?
It’s a riddle.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 13 2011 14:00 utc | 25

The pentagon censors, via access to military hardware& bases. They review scripts, and if the film makers portray the military in a favorable light, they get access. Just that simple.

Posted by: ben | Apr 13 2011 15:27 utc | 26

Oh,& depending on the script, they will also provide some funding for the movie.

Posted by: ben | Apr 13 2011 15:30 utc | 27

@The Idiot Troll: “So, who would want to foment hate towards the U.S., blaming it for all the ills of the world, and yet also hate a country like Morocco?”
Inventing a moral high-ground for yourself to ascend on your high-horse of pseudo-intellectual-vacuousness, while flinging accusations of Jew-hate and other ‘hate’, is the mark of a troll.
you have descended into rank stupidity – further communication with you is obviously a waste of time as you appear to be attempting to thread-jack this into an argument about ‘Jew-hate’ – in my years on the net I have found that there are only 2 types of people that do this : Zionist Trolls and Pro-US-military-aggression Trolls – which are you?

Posted by: hu bris | Apr 13 2011 17:47 utc | 28

on the topic:
Somehow, b I do not think Britain and France will invade on their own.
I think the Russian information is correct:
http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/04/13/48893916.html

Posted by: somebody | Apr 13 2011 18:00 utc | 29

Gang-raped for two days, tortured and strangled: Libyan woman finally reveals full horrific details of attack by Gaddafi’s thugs
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1376235/Libya-Iman-al-Obeidi-describes-rape-ordeal-hands-Gaddafis-men.html#ixzz1JQbSFSpb

Posted by: mistah charley, ph.d. | Apr 13 2011 18:12 utc | 30

well mistah charley, that’s a paper i imagined no one reads except tories of thatcher’s vintage. in this as in other matters i don’t believe a single word they say & that is not an ideological posture but just a reasonable regard for the truth

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 13 2011 20:57 utc | 31

I agree it looks like feet on the ground, but I think they would like to avoid it.
Today, in Qatar, they talked about financing the opposition.

Posted by: alexno | Apr 13 2011 21:32 utc | 32

did you know: NATO = uNited nAtions securiTy cOuncil
is the armed wing of the UNSC!

Posted by: brian | Apr 13 2011 21:47 utc | 33

on April 3, longtime analyst Michel Chossudovsky wrote on the Global Research website:
“There are various factions within the Libyan opposition: Royalists, defectors from the Gaddafi regime including the Minister of Justice and more recently the Foreign Minister, Moussa Moussa, members of the Libyan Armed Forces, the National Front for the Salvation of Libya (NFSL) and the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition (NCLO) which acts as an umbrella organization.
“Rarely acknowledged by the Western media, the Libya Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG – Al-Jamaa al-Islamiyyah al-Muqatilah bi Libya), is an integral part of the Libyan Opposition. The LIGF, which is aligned with al-Qaeda, is in the frontline of the armed insurrection.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27877.htm
The TNC is ready to turn Libya into an investors paradise, as they are privateers and free marketers. Libyas People councils will be dissovled under the guise of turning Libya into a ‘democracy’…and this exercise in real democracy will come to an end.
But what did we expect when the euro trash decided to reinvade africa?
yes the ‘rebels’ are no more peaceful humanitarian protestors than

Posted by: brian | Apr 13 2011 21:53 utc | 34

‘Gang-raped for two days, tortured and strangled: Libyan woman finally reveals full horrific details of attack by Gaddafi’s thugs’
so are we to believe Gadaffi ordered this? and that it even took place?
that an excellent eg of a psyops..its goal is to demonise the target at a levekl the popular will cn comprehend. BUT did it happen?
Or are people being seduced by another Incubator baby story also told by a woman?

Posted by: brian | Apr 13 2011 21:59 utc | 35

FYI
http://davidrothscum.blogspot.com/2011/04/anti-gadaffi-rebels-are-libyan-wing-of.html
what fitting companions to our eurotrash
‘humanitarian intervention’? think again
birth defect weapons used in Libya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKcxt7_pzoI
and we know what those did in iraq:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/13/falluja-cancer-children-birth-defects
so who still believes that US/NATO are white knights rescuing the damsal in distress? and not pack rapists?

Posted by: brian | Apr 13 2011 22:11 utc | 36

It should not be forgotten that Libya is a typical Middle Eastern petroleum-producing country. Small population. The oil revenues go direct to the government, and are pocketed by Gaddafi. He has no need of the people, who are only a nuisance.
He can buy anything he wants, and I would think that’s the basis of his defence – his tribe plus what he can buy. I hear though that he may be running out of money. The rebels in Benghazi too, but they will be replenished by the coalition.

Posted by: alexno | Apr 13 2011 22:12 utc | 37

“The oil revenues go direct to the government, and are pocketed by Gaddafi.”
this is not true at all – Libyans have one of the highest levels of homeownership in the region, and the standard of those homes are amongst the highest in the region – they are also a highly educated population with very decent levels of free health care – again probably the highest in the region – how is that paid for if not from the oil revenues?
You or I have no idea how much of that oil revenue ends up in the pockets of the Ghaddaffi family and it’s associates – and any pretense by you or anyone else that you do is just that: a pretense, but I bet percentage wise it’s a damn sight less than any other leader of an Oil producing country in the region
i’m not saying Ghaddaffi is some poor humble man of the people, but the actual evidence shows that what you are claiming is just pure lies spewed out by the pro-war Western Media

Posted by: hu bris | Apr 13 2011 23:03 utc | 38

The Marvelous Mug and his sons know how to spend that oil money…….Let’s Party, Baby!! The bulwark of Socialism in Africa, the front line of defense against Capital Material Excess, sure had a penchant for that Western material decadence. Seems it would have been easy enough to blow that whole party to smithereens with a couple of machine guns if the CIA wanted The Mar Mug gone before now….or some polonium in the free-flowing champagne. They didn’t though. They sat back and watched, playing him and he playing them, but when you dance with the devil long enough….well, we know how it ends.
Somehow, I don’t think we will see any such videos of the Mullahs and Ahmadinejad. They, apparently, understand about dancing with devils…being devils themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVT1m9obxbg

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 13 2011 23:41 utc | 39

If the west really splits Libya in two, then Cyrenaica can become a new Kosovo or a new Somalia, depending on how they manage to uproot patriotic forces or not.
And what happens when the west will show the bill to the rebels? The party will be over – looting of resources, unemployment, prostitution, all the phenomena of third world neolib democracies will plague “Free Libya”, and opposition (“die-hard gaddafists”?) will resume anyways.
So I don’t believe the west can afford to leave Gaddafi in peace in the western part of Libya, where there is too, btw, some oil – after all he is a world criminal, isn’t he? And a rump sovereign Libya will still be subject to sanctions and asset freezes. And it will be so easy to provide a pretext for destroying it – a bomb or two in Misrata or another “free” city will suffice for the west to “resolve” that Gaddafi must be “taken out”, one way or another. That’s way I always thought that at the end we will bomb Gaddafi.
I feel the same anguish as during the invasion of Iraq – watching the cold-blooded destruction of a sovereign state as it unfolds in front of the eyes of the world.
It’s another kind of contamination. Not only Cesium, or Plutonium; growing doses of violence and destruction are metabolized by our organisms. Plus the racism that is infecting western political discourse. If we don’t find a way to react, we will all die poisoned – and go to hell.

Posted by: claudio | Apr 13 2011 23:48 utc | 40

I know this was posted April 1st, and even though it’s hilarious, it’s no joke. April Fools Day, indeed. They’re shaking hands with the Mug….and he’s shaking their hands. Frankly, I wouldn’t touch any of their bloody, and bloodied, hands. The Mug knows how to dress comfortably, though, doesn’t he? Not like those inside the beltway stiffs….at least not in public. In private, they like to strip down to their skivvies and chase young, nubile boys around…..much like a certain other Order.
http://wonkette.com/442035/recent-gaddafi-fan-lindsey-graham-now-wants-him-dead#more-442035

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 14 2011 0:53 utc | 41

claudio, my physical sentiments exactly. these are barbarous times, this last decade has seen politics just reveal itself as the peurile but poisonous pornography it actually is, deeply antihumanist & at the same time deeply stupid. in this decade we have been witness to how clueless they really are in the short term – & the long term is absolutely apocalyptic, i cannot tell how it will be otherwise unless the human revolts in each continent transform the living realities of people

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 14 2011 0:55 utc | 42

this last decade has seen politics just reveal itself as the peurile but poisonous pornography it actually is, deeply antihumanist & at the same time deeply stupid. in this decade we have been witness to how clueless they really are in the short term – & the long term is absolutely apocalyptic, i cannot tell how it will be otherwise unless the human revolts in each continent transform the living realities of people

couldn’t agree more…
as Wilhelm Reich sd, ‘Hitler was known as a political genius, THAT alone, should tell you what politics is…’
they always plot the long term… that should be discussed jn and of itself.
Steel

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 14 2011 1:44 utc | 43

thank you hu bris
moroco
u aint *connecting any dots* here but doing incredible logical somersaults,
exhibit a
i expose amerikka’s crimes => am *fomenting hatred toward amerikka* [sic] n get this, i’m *anti shimite* lol
exhibit b
i decry amerikkan imperialism => i worship kadaffi
like hu bris says, u smell like a troll baby
there’re so many inanities in ur posts
that i wont even bother to point out here

Posted by: denk | Apr 14 2011 2:27 utc | 44

very interesting: “…the Middle East uprisings appear to have stemmed from a covert operation begun under the Bush administration and continued under Obama’s tenure. (Obama may well have been set up to take the fall for the negative consequences of the event…)
The operation may well be intended to destabilize the Obama administration paving the way for the ascent of the GOP in the U.S. in this respect, it is very much like what has come to be known as the October Surprise.” – attributed to David Emory, broadcaster

Posted by: strangerontheshore | Apr 14 2011 4:02 utc | 45

I can’t agree with the contention that the CIA would have gotten rid of the colonel long ago if he wasn’t a cia asset.
It is foolish to consider the context of amerikan interventions now, in relation pre 2001 amerikan activities.
Not only were amerikans much less gung ho about which trough they stuffed their snouts into, the rest of the world didn’t always fall into line behind amerika until after 911.
plus the amerikans did have a couple of cracks at the colonel which failed in even worse ways then their numerous attempts to assassinate President Castro. Ways that were far too embarrassing to have been deliberate kabuki style failures. When Ronnie reagan the first amerikan president to wear a diaper, authorised an assassination attempt against Ghadaffi he missed, the colonel was out hunting but killed the then Libyan leader’s baby daughter. That left considerable mud on the faces of amerikan ‘covert ops’ for decades.
It was after 911 when Ghadaffi reasoned that unless he bent over for the whitefellas at least a little, Libya would cop a most unpleasant sodomisation from amerika, that Ghadaffi decided to get the english on side.
After years of lies and exaggerations about Libya his chances of hopping straight into the pit with dubya were pretty remote so he selected the oleaginous bliar for a romp.
Ghadaffi did it particularly well too, he got one of his sons, Saif to get matey with the sleazy andy windsor ex-husband of Lady Sarah, Duchess of Used Dollar Bills. “Randy Andy’ as he was once known would have been a straw too many for the colonel himself, the bloke hangs out with the saudi royal family, selling em jet fighters to shoot up their citizens with. This will be why the english have decided they need to kill Ghadaffi, he has sufficient goods on the english to cause em lots of problems.
But it is plain silly to imagine the colonel has been a cia asset all these years, I just don’t understand how amerikans can imagine their intelligence services to be so infallible when the evidence shows; vietnam cuba, iran, nicuaragua, venezuala, iraq & Afghanistan a litany of fuck ups, and not for want of trying.
it has been amerika which has been the leader in forcing its corrupt brand of corporate capitalism on the rest of us. The next worst state, england has only been hard at this (using military force and murder to get their way) for the last decade. Sure the english used to be shockers but they stopped after WW2, when roosevelt and truman told them their time was up, to make way for the new empire, they have only resumed after amerika urged them to and the english politicians calculated that there were now sufficient voters in england who hadn’t experienced the reality of england’s colonial past to persuade the punters that imperialism is “for the good of the invaded”.
The reality is that since ww2 the european powers have been subordinated to amerika. amerika can wage war outside of nato and any arrangement with its members but the other nato states (france has certain exceptions to this chiefly pertaining to is ‘former’ colonies) have to run their adventures past the septic tanks for permission from the bossfella before they can do dick.
Some may remember the fart-assing around that thatcher had to do before she could take on galtieri and argentina when argentina decided to take the Malvinas back. There was much pissing around aleaxander haig and lawrence eagleburger favoured letting the english have a go over the falklands, while tom enders & jeanne kirkpatrick tried to stop the english. Kirkpatrick created a fuss at a UN security council meeting. In the end Haig prevailed upon the drooling prez and kirkpatrick was forced to pull her head in. The machinations are unimportant at this juncture, but when one considers that thatcher and raygun were nearly as close as dubya and the bliar, the fact that amerikan approval wasn’t axiomatic caused ripples in the english establishment when they had to confront exactly how beholden to amerika they are.
amerika is clumsy and incompetent but no one in the “western alliance” can start a fight without amerikan permission, which in effect means that amerika is the bad guy behind every whitefella slaughter of indigenous people, since ww2.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Apr 14 2011 4:17 utc | 46

this should be spread
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2011/04/14/false_pretense_for_war_in_libya/
reality seems to sink in

Posted by: somebody | Apr 14 2011 5:24 utc | 47

If the Qaddafi government goes down, it will be interesting to watch whether the new central bank joins the BIS, whether the nationalized oil industry gets sold off to investors and whether education and health care continue to be free.
Libya: All About Oil, or All About Banking?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 14 2011 6:02 utc | 48

more realism
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53115_Page2.html

Posted by: somebody | Apr 14 2011 9:49 utc | 49

I can’t agree with the contention that the CIA would have gotten rid of the colonel long ago if he wasn’t a cia asset.
If you’re referring to me, I never said that. I said he was useful to them….meaning unwittingly, on his part, useful. I’m the one being consistent in this matter. Denk wants us to believe that all of a sudden, just now, the CIA, after all these years, is now capable of dethroning him, but they came up empty up until now.
Quite the contrary, in my opinion. They were always quite capable, and if they wanted him gone and replaced, they could have done so long ago, but they chose not to, so you have to ask why. Maybe he wasn’t any kind of threat and the public perception of him, albeit crafted by media propaganda, was, and is, that of Mad Tyrant Terrorist, thus lending a negative face to any form of Socialism in the Arab world and Africa.
Now, he’s not so useful anymore, and it’s time destroy him and replace him with some stooges.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 14 2011 11:34 utc | 50

Here’s some racist rhetoric from denk. If you look closely, his rhetoric is racist in nature, calling people Anglos and Brits and Yanks. My experience with people who categorize people this way is that they are inherently and implicitly racist. Denk’s been careful to veil it at this site, but it’s leaking through. Notice his comment to Noirette on another Libyan thread.

owl
unfortunately i dont belong to ur species 🙁
see u 2moro
Posted by: denk | Feb 25, 2011 12:37:42 PM | 44

Who talks like that? Specifically saying “ur species.”

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 14 2011 11:45 utc | 51

somebody, articles like that make me laugh, not because they’re not true, but because they are true and nobody seems to care or pay any attention. Let’s run with what the article asserts. Alright, evidence is in, what now? Is the U.N. going to apprehend Obama, try him for War Crimes, and throw him in the Hague to serve the same fate as Milosovic? I don’t think so. Is the court of public opinion going to clamor for Obama’s impeachment and the Nobel Peace Prize recalled for Obama’s deceit? I don’t think so.
The article told me what I already know, but it doesn’t go nearly far enough as to the why and the what? The why and the what are the salient features, and yet they are always left out. The why and the what look beyond Obama, behind the curtain, to the true source of this deceit, every deceit and our collective discontent.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 14 2011 12:29 utc | 52

amerika is clumsy and incompetent
Bullshit. I’m so effing tired of this trope. It plays right into the Corporatist playbook and only further supports its mission. “Amerika”, the big lumbering incompetent slob who always gets its way. There is no “Amerika” but in name only. The powerful forces that seek to transform this world into one giant plantation have no allegiance to any Nation/State, and things are going quite well according to plan. To you, chaos, death and destruction, and rightfully so, appear as failure and incompetence, when it is, strategically, an intended success, when it can be contained within limits and boundaries.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 14 2011 12:37 utc | 53

still trolling, eh?

Posted by: hu bris | Apr 14 2011 14:16 utc | 54

The execrable Juan Cole, still pimping for the Amerikkkan Military-Industrial complex he would, in public, claim to be against

“While the action has saved hundreds or thousands of lives, it has not stopped the bombardment of civilians or halted the siege of the two urban areas.”

O’Rly, Juank??
Hundreds of thousands, eh?
Golly gee, better get boots-on-the-ground soon then. If bombing saved ‘hundreds of thousands of lives’ then a full-scale invasion would probably save millions of lives, no?

Posted by: hu bris | Apr 14 2011 14:28 utc | 55

I think there are sock puppets at play. Notice hu bris’ style of caps on, caps off. Now notice Debs style of caps on, caps off. It’s an unconscious signature, like handwriting analysis, that reveals the two are one and the same. If so, and it appears to be, it’s pathetic.
Same thing @45. I know slothrop has mentioned that Debs is Urekismet, so now there are more. What gives?

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 14 2011 14:43 utc | 56

seriously man, you’re a never-ending source of idiocy
you really should give the old surmising a bit of a rest – you totally suck at it

Posted by: hu bris | Apr 14 2011 15:36 utc | 57

@55:
hundreds or thousands, not hundreds of thousands

Posted by: claudio | Apr 14 2011 15:41 utc | 58

DAMN!
foiled agin!
an I woulda gotten away with it too, if’n tweren’t fer you damn meddlin kids!

Posted by: hu bris | Apr 14 2011 16:07 utc | 59

Nice to see that the ‘resident genius’ missed it – though he’ll probably claim he saw it but decided to ignore it, (as if)

Posted by: hu bris | Apr 14 2011 16:09 utc | 60

Notice hu bris’ style of caps on, caps off. Now notice Debs style of caps on, caps off. It’s an unconscious signature, like handwriting analysis, that reveals the two are one and the same. If so, and it appears to be, it’s pathetic.

comedy GOLD!!
It’s a big not-conspiracy- all the disagreeing with the troll is actually just one person- nefarious!!

Posted by: hu bris | Apr 14 2011 16:18 utc | 61

@60, the mistake on the number doesn’t detract from the irrelevance of your post. We all know Juan Cole’s a water boy carrying water for the Plutocracy. What’s the point of announcing it over and over and over and over. A simple mind such as yours is apparently only capable of stating the obvious repeatedly as if to reassure yourself of the superiority of your “species.”

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 14 2011 17:12 utc | 62

@MB @hu bris
stop attacking each other or get kicked out of here

Posted by: b | Apr 14 2011 17:37 utc | 63

fair enuff – the boss hath spoken

Posted by: hu bris | Apr 14 2011 17:59 utc | 64

no, morocco bama, facts matter, and people I do not like sometimes speak the truth
this banking stuff certainly seems to be an issue
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=201104141329dowjonesdjonline000551&title=world-banks-zoellickhopes-bank-will-have-role-in-libya

Posted by: somebody | Apr 14 2011 18:44 utc | 65

Except, he’s not really speaking the truth, somebody. He knows damn well the World Bank will have a roll in Libya’s future, because the World Bank and the IMF have a roll in the invasion of Libya.
The World Bank and its sibling, the IMF, are helping to pave the way for the Global Plantation to come.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 14 2011 19:10 utc | 66

Actually, just now, I am banking on Gaddafi. He seems to have managed to play off just about anybody against each other, even within NATO and the EU, not to mention BRICS and Africa.
Official western pronouncements defy any logic – political, military or otherwise – now, so that even somebody like Czech Schwarzenberg (who is Austrian Hungarian Old School and the New Europe, not the Old) uses irony
http://praguemonitor.com/2011/04/13/formin-%C4%8Dr-not-going-recognise-libyan-opposition
Successful assassination would make everybody feel better I suppose, however, would be highly counterproductive, they would get his son, they know him, they do not like him.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 14 2011 19:33 utc | 67

the majority of western politicians have already realized that the intervention (in the long term) was a mistake, but this won’t determine an embarrassing retreat of the “international community”, because after all the consequences of the mistake will be paid by Libyans, whereas in the short term Sarkozy, Cameron and Clinton will enhance their chances to win the next elections (plus oil, africom, etc etc etc)

Posted by: claudio | Apr 14 2011 20:23 utc | 68

I’m not sure Africom would want to establish a “Brondsted” in a divided Libya, that is, without a proper invitation by a legitimate government; it might badly misfire; another reason to totally destroy Libya, instead of diving it

Posted by: claudio | Apr 14 2011 20:28 utc | 69

@69: dividing, not diving, of course

Posted by: claudio | Apr 14 2011 20:30 utc | 70

It was not, and is not, a miscalculation on their part. Floating that story is cover, and plausible denial.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Apr 14 2011 21:02 utc | 71

I feel it was a miscalculation; someone said once that the west is prisoner of its own rhetorics, that’s how I see it; of course, various subjects profit from this

Posted by: claudio | Apr 14 2011 21:30 utc | 72

i email Juan Cole posts regularly…early on he simply wrote back: UNSUBSCRIBE
i sugggest that people email Juan cole info that shows his views are baseless.Let him know his lies are not going to pass unchallenged

Posted by: brian | Apr 14 2011 22:16 utc | 73

b
the spat started coz of moroco’s gratuitous accusations such as i’m *antishimite*, just to name one
here’s another one of his nonsense.
moroco
*Here’s some racist rhetoric from denk. If you look closely, his rhetoric is racist in nature, calling people Anglos and Brits and Yanks. My experience with people who categorize people this way is that they are inherently and implicitly racist. Denk’s been careful to veil it at this site, but it’s leaking through. Notice his comment to Noirette on another Libyan thread.
owl
unfortunately i dont belong to ur species 🙁
see u 2moro
Posted by: denk | Feb 25, 2011 12:37:42 PM | 44
Who talks like that? Specifically saying “ur species.”*
apparently moroco is so daft that he cant even appreciate the tougue in cheek
pun of *night owl*
n here the great sherlock holme has exposed another conspiracy
night owl = Noirette
lol
ok signing off
work to do anyway

Posted by: denk | Apr 15 2011 3:08 utc | 74

more on this banking stuff
http://allafrica.com/stories/201104150792.html

Posted by: somebody | Apr 15 2011 14:36 utc | 75

This ~~war~~ show has become a weapons/plane show for potential buyers

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Apr 15 2011 19:59 utc | 76

‘Libyan Rebels’ Create Central Bank, Oil Company
Alex Newman, New American, Mar 30 201
As analysts debate possible motives behind Obama’s UN-backed military intervention in Libya, one angle that has received attention in recent days is the rebels’ seemingly odd decision to establish a new central bank to replace Gadhafi’s state-owned monetary authority, possibly the first time in history that revolutionaries have taken time out from an ongoing life-and-death battle to create such an institution, according to observers.
In a statement released last week, the rebels reported on the results of a meeting held on Mar 19. Among other things, the supposed rag-tag revolutionaries announced the “designation of the Central Bank of Benghazi as a monetary authority competent in monetary policies in Libya and appointment of a Governor to the Central Bank of Libya, with a temporary headquarters in Benghazi.”
The Gadhafi regime’s central bank, unlike the US Federal Reserve, which is owned by private shareholders, was among the few central banks in the world that was entirely state-owned.
At the moment, it is unclear exactly who owns the rebels’ central bank or how it will be governed. The so-called Interim Transitional National Council, the rebels’ self-appointed new government for Libya purporting to be the “sole legitimate representative of Libyan People,” also trumpeted the creation of a new “Libyan Oil Company” based in the rebel stronghold city of Benghazi. The North African nation, of course, has the continent’s largest proven oil reserves. The US government and the UN have both recently announced that the rebels would be free to sell oil under their control, if they do it without Gaddafi’s National Oil Corporation. And the first shipments are set to start next week, according to news reports citing a spokesman for the rebels.
But the creation of a new central bank, even more so than the new national oil regime, left analysts scratching their heads. Robert Wenzel in an analysis for the Economic Policy Journal, noted:

I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising. This suggests we have a bit more than a rag tag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences.

Posted by: hu bris | Apr 15 2011 23:19 utc | 77

a close look at the Libyan rebels’ weapons, a LOT of US and NATO weaponry, no Kalashnikovs for these guys –http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJrteELDLkU&feature=player_embedded
English commentary. Originally made in Russian by Nicholas V Starikov, a well-known investigative journalist and author who lives in Astana, Kazakhstan.

Posted by: hu bris | Apr 16 2011 1:23 utc | 78

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