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April 2, 2011
Spot The Contradiction

Is the inherent contradiction in the paragraph of a WaPo piece intended or is just a display of the stupidity of the author?

Eight years after the American invasion put Iraq on a path to a more modern, democratic society, people here are increasingly resorting to the ancient process of tribal negotiations — called fasels, and conducted by tribal leaders or sheiks — to demand compensation for alleged injustices.

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there’s enormous confusion; under our current dominating Occidentalist ideology, democracy is conceived as a universal key to the solution of all political and institutional problems
we forgot our own european history, where in most cases the building of a strong, sovereign state preceded the formation (and “invention”) of the nation, and democracy came last, and each step was marked by wars against “external” and “internal” enemies and identities; Saddam Hussein was precisely on that path, building a strong modern non-sectarian state:

The problem is partly a result of Iraq’s weak legal system and the lack of official grievance processes, non-issues during Saddam Hussein’s autocratic rule, when a tyrannical order prevailed and malpractice complaints were handled through the courts.

“Tyrannical order”, but with modern civil laws and courts, then; by these standards, Europe has suffered at the hand of tyrants for almost all its history, since “democracy” as we conceive it today is quite a recent conquest for the continent (lets say end of XIX century/beginning of the XX, better still let’s say after WW II)! Instead, in our history books, we celebrate many of these tyrants as “founding fathers” (or ancestors)
Imposing a “democracy”, where everybody (except real patriots, of course, dubbed “terrorists”) can participate in an abstract “political process” breaks the system and generates chaos instead of progress; besides the fact that democracy makes sense only in a context of sovereignty, certainly not under foreign occupation
All this is obvious, even if unconsciously: the west has always favored, in practice, religious fundamentalists over modern nationalists, those that would like to imitate us, but we will never allow them to

Posted by: claudio | Apr 2 2011 11:51 utc | 1

Modernity and Democracy are trade names for NWO clientage.

Posted by: rjj | Apr 2 2011 13:23 utc | 2

The smug and deceitful tone of the article is revolting. To call the Hobbesian gang rule that he has been imposed upon Iraq, while the people have been forced to concentrate on the sordid business of feeding themselves in a country bombed and terrorised back to the stone age, ‘democracy’ indicates the contempt that these moral mediocrities have for rule by the people.
The ultimate obscenity is that the Washington Post has been entertaining its readers and its advertisers by promoting the killings of millions of Iraqis and other Arabs: it is how it makes money. Cannibalism is an innocent pastime in comparison with the way the Washington Post feeds its shareholders and writers.
If there is to be any justice in the world these cynical promoters of wars om the weak and the defenceless will be hauled before a tribunal to answer for their crimes. In any case the name of the newspaper is already a stench in the nostrils, a byword for all that is corrupt in journalism and thought, and a source of the poison which is killing freedom and honesty.
There is no better introduction to the self serving and vicious culture of the city on the Potomac than its largest newspaper.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 2 2011 13:28 utc | 3

rjj, those that believe in NWO are optimists; the only real horizon in our post-political era is that of NWD (New World Disorder), where nobody is really in command
Also, NWD is much easier to achieve, doesn’t need conspiracies, just let things happen and criminalize possible solutions (higher taxes and redistributive policy, for example, or respect for sovereignty);
of course, this will lead to disaster in the long term, but Fukushima is just the latest reminder of what big private interests think of the long term

Posted by: claudio | Apr 2 2011 13:33 utc | 4

This is a usage quibble. In The Official WaPo Usage and Style Manual “path to a more modern, democratic society” is one of the glosses for failed state.

Posted by: rjj | Apr 2 2011 13:55 utc | 5

Claudio, I probably have said NWO serfdom. Clientage is pre-serfdom.

Posted by: rjj | Apr 2 2011 14:01 utc | 6

…should have said…

Posted by: rjj | Apr 2 2011 14:02 utc | 7

Besides what other commentators have said, – I’d add when access to justice is low, or really more or less barred, alternatives must be turned to – what we see as well is a divide between two very different conceptions of ‘law’ and justice.
The first, which is current, for example in Switzerland, is that the legislative apparatus, the courts, the treatment of criminals, or even civil litigants, exist to maintain law and order, deal with violators in one way or another, but not in first place to compensate victims or repair relations in any way. The victim(s), in fact have no (or very little) say, the State, that is the ‘people’ or ‘the community’ acts for them.
The second -while naturally resting on a fulcrum of custom, tradition, law and usually some authority that mediates, decides and orders – is geared to exactly the opposite: to exacting satisfactory revenge and compensation, and repairing relations. In short, it is the victim’s position that hold’s first place, contrary to here, where the violator is center stage.
No system is pure of course, and in the US, for ex. victims play a larger role.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 2 2011 14:07 utc | 8

In civil cases lawyers get most of the wergeld.
Insurers profit by providing it (liability insurance).
There are few incentives for mediation and none for repair of relations.

Posted by: rjj | Apr 2 2011 15:25 utc | 9

This is entirely predictable, and a sign that the U.S. delusions (or myopic intentions) about the occupation, modernity, and democracy are all alive and well, and doing quite nicely thank you.
Of course weakened/broken/evicerated government institutions lead to the fallback positions of tribalism, because what else is there that fulfill the functional needs of people?
This is not a bug, but a feature.

Posted by: anna missed | Apr 2 2011 18:03 utc | 10

Should probably add the obvious, in that the same pattern is being repeated here in the “homeland” – on every social, political, economic, and cultural front – back to the future comrades!

Posted by: anna missed | Apr 2 2011 18:12 utc | 11

they are not contradictions. they are lies. crude & vicious lies. empires have always acted as if the other does not exist except as an element of physical forces, less important than land, & what lies on top or underneath it
u s imperialism posses plans that are in & of themselves prurient, pornographic, perverse. an element of perversity is its vulgarity, its thoughtlessness, its lack of any sort of vision that exist outside either short term of moyen term demands of occupation, plunder & pillage
all imperialisms have tried to decimate the cultures they seek to conquer but only u s imperialism has sought the brutal rape of those cultures, not only of the those occupied cultures but also those of vassal states who are in real terms, occupied. that is in the most fundamental sense they are inextricably tied to capital’s demands which determine that, for example – those occupied cultures posses neither sovereignty nor what would be called an independent polity. the appereil of ‘educarion/culture’ as althusser noted is of primary importance. in our time, moreso. in english speaking cultures it has destroyed communities, effaced institutions & forms of resistance & is relentless in its attack of both the individual & society – have created a kind of mad max world of complete absence of hope. large & small owns all over the english speaking world are frightening, exceptionally frightening in their lawlessness, that is, its subordination to dominant culture but in the quotidian reality – a hobbesian viciousness. to be poor & homeless in sheffield, cardiff, roubaeix, detroit, whyalla, motherwell is a world most of the living world, even the so called third world would be in fear of
imperialism creates a world where an independent individual is torn between somnambulism & funambalism – away from eros towaards the death instinct

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 2 2011 19:12 utc | 12

this reminds me of something a troll wrote in helena’s comment section the other day.

Turkey and now Iraq are great examples of representative democracies, the one Turkish/Islamic, the other Arab/Islamic, both with sizeable Kurdish minorities. More importantly, both their systems are parliamentary, not presidential, with significant legislative brakes on executive power being enshrined in their constitutions. Both their parliaments are elected by proportional representation. The parliamentary model + PR encourages the maturation and growth of political parties. Turkey and Iraq are the models the rest of the region should be following.

naturally helena and other posters set him straight but he had his defenders too and i wondered if this was going to be a theme in our media. just kind of pretending that alls said and done and iraq is on the road to recovery when it’s anything but.

Posted by: annie | Apr 2 2011 19:43 utc | 13

no, annie they regard the murder of a million people, of the destruction of a culture & the creation of a dysfunctional state as quite, quite, normal
the term, the great satan, i imagine now, did not just fall from the skies

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 2 2011 19:58 utc | 14

it is not at all strange then, that there is not one living irakien artist of calibre, not one intellectual of stature that supports what has been done to their country. they are living. the others are dead. we will never know the detail of what u s imperialism took from this people

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 2 2011 20:45 utc | 15

it’s grotesque – you destroy the state, society collapses, the survivors strive to get along in some way or another, and the Washington Post poses an ethnologist’s eye on the crime scene
it’s dissociation in its purest form

Posted by: claudio | Apr 2 2011 21:07 utc | 16

yes, really
they fuck a country into the ground, put it back to the stone age as they proudly declared, u s imperialism cried out to us that it would create the new realities on the ground
then they fill that country full of psychopathic mercenaries, create a constitution under the occupation that is not worth the paper it is written on except for bleeding the country dry
the only light i see are the enormous demonstrations, including in kirkuk – all of which have not been reported even by the media of the left – that form their part of the arab revolts – who are demanding the departure of the americans & their mercenaries, an end to corruption, a beginning of social services that they had under saddam & recently you have even had the ‘secularisation’ of the sadrist – the artificiality of the imperialist construct falling apart but before it does we know absolutely that there will be more blood

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 2 2011 21:22 utc | 17

The crimes of the empire can be listed and listed and listed, the depradations humans suffer as a result of those crimes could evoke an equally lengthy catalog. We will never complete either for the material for both documents continues to grow while we record our discoveries of past crimes.
Eventually Iraq will cure itself. Once people recognise that their privations are universal and documenting the cause of them is less useful than fixing the central issue, which is a community whose shibboleths have become irrelevant to the current circumstances of humans within that community.
The odds of it being the destroyers who provide the commonly subscribed to aphorisms of the ‘new Iraq’, are negligible, for exactly the same reasons that amerikan cliches about freedom and democracy ring hollow for most Iraqis. amerikan culture is irrelevant to a huge chunk of amerikans, what chance then that it could generate anything useful for an ancient and well developed society such as Iraq, which has survived so long by being true to itself?
Nevertheless amerika will leave some indelible marks on Iraq, yet another of the societies it has failed to conquer. The marks amerika leaves behind will be the usual, the obeisance to greed, which will appeal to Iraqi sociopaths just as it has to sociopaths everywhere else amerika has touched, the emphasis on process ahead of outcome will be adopted by those of the Iraqi elite who care little for their rich culture. So parts of Iraqi judicial systems will have justice measured by how well the process adheres to an arcane construct too rigid to be effective working in the specificities that a court case (being an at attempt to resolve the differences between unique individuals) contains.
Murderers will go free because the law enforcement officials completed a form incorrectly, while the innocent will get punished for crimes they didn’t commit because ‘the rules’ deny them use of witnesses. That aspect of amerikan law, the one that liberal amerikans call ‘the constitution’ in revered tones normally reserved for deities, is loved by elites because it provides an out for every rich person who plays it correctly while making justice unattainable for those who are not rich. I mean that is basically the problem which the Wapo reporter has with the alleged ‘sheik’ system. At the moment any old member of a tribe can get justice if a doctor stuffs up. There are insufficient parasites – judges, expert witnesses, a legion of attornies; copping their bite of the cherry.
In the end Iraqis will take the pieces of amerikana they cannot purge from their system, mix that in with the shared values of a 4000 year old society and devise their own system complete with attending jargon, which will enable their society to function fairly & effectively in a world where injustice is the preferred norm.
I back Muqtada al Sadr ( epub pdf) as the human most likely to provide that deliverance. He is still a youngish man and is biding his time while exploring potential solutions. In addition to having the neccessary qualities to make him the preferred solution for old school Iraqis, his intelligence and seemingly innate understanding of amerikan imperialism and its flaws reveals an intelligence capable of melding the customs of pre illegal invasion Iraq, with the realities of post civil war Iraq.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Apr 3 2011 1:01 utc | 18

nguyen”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RLXPrbGA5s”>nguyen van troi

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 3 2011 2:17 utc | 19

nguyen van troi

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 3 2011 2:21 utc | 20

The west has always favored, in practice, religious fundamentalists over modern nationalists; cannibalism is an innocent pastime in comparison,
a world where an independent individual is torn between somnambulism & funambalism, obeisance to greed, which will appeal to sociopaths everywhere else: in civil cases lawyers get the wergel; destruction of a culture & the creation of a dysfunctional state away from eros towards the death instinct.

Posted by: mrmustard | Apr 3 2011 7:01 utc | 21

r’giap #17, i couldn’t agree more.
debs
The marks amerika leaves behind will be the usual, the obeisance to greed, which will appeal to Iraqi sociopaths just as it has to sociopaths everywhere else amerika has touched, the emphasis on process ahead of outcome will be adopted by those of the Iraqi elite who care little for their rich culture.
yep

Posted by: annie | Apr 3 2011 19:51 utc | 22

Speaking of contradictions…..what’s with Goldstone’s op-ed
….”If I knew then what I know now”……

Posted by: georgeg | Apr 3 2011 20:09 utc | 23

@georgeg – I wonder how many pistols they put to Goldstone’s head to make him “retract”.

Posted by: b | Apr 3 2011 20:46 utc | 24

or compromising pictures /videos .. of himself or some relative …

Posted by: claudio | Apr 3 2011 21:55 utc | 25

Gilad Atzmon on Goldstone’s U-turn

Posted by: claudio | Apr 4 2011 18:46 utc | 26