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March 25, 2011
Open Thread, March 25

Whatever’s on your mind …

Comments

Can I live tax free like GE? I’m sure they get ‘zero’ government help.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?_r=1&hp

Posted by: Jack | Mar 25 2011 15:42 utc | 1

Good news. the zionist have lost one: Opposition topples Canada’s Conservative government, triggering election

The opposition parties held the Conservative government in contempt of Parliament in a 156-145 vote for failing to disclose the full financial details of his tougher crime legislation, corporate tax cuts and plans to purchase stealth fighter jets.

Let’s hope that the opposition finally gets its ducks in a row to end Harper for ever and all.

Posted by: b | Mar 25 2011 19:32 utc | 2

It occurred to me recently that there aren’t very many charismatic political figures who have a devoted following.
The US has Sarah Palin and Ron Paul, but they don’t really have mass appeal. I suppose that Obama still has a following, but I’m pretty sure that it’s lost a lot of its breadth and depth. (Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are in a different category.)
Elsewhere, there are Hassan Nasrallah and Hugo Chavez. Also, Nelson Mandela and Fidel Castro, but they’re from an earlier era. (Am I missing some?)
I think that the common thread may be that for a politician to inspire significant loyal support, s/he must be seen as opposing the status quo/powers-that-be.

Posted by: Watson | Mar 25 2011 20:26 utc | 3

GEE, wonder why nobody ever calls the GE 3.2 BILLION “tax benefit” an “entitlement”. Because that’s what it is.

Posted by: anna missed | Mar 25 2011 20:33 utc | 4

watson, i have a special fondness for evo morales as a man he seems equal parts toughness & fragility & he has always been under great pressure & has shown exemplarity

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 25 2011 20:56 utc | 5

sorry watson, but you have to add Silvio Berlusconi and Umberto Bossi to the list; they too are seen by many as opposing the politically-correct, hypocritical, elitist establishment (imagine a country where Sarah Palin has won the elections)
not so sorry to add also Putin
maybe Gheddafi, he might not be so inspiring in his old age, but he waged many battles throughout his life, he probably has many enemies but also many friends, who knows?

Posted by: claudio | Mar 25 2011 21:50 utc | 6

My dear Watson! You are leaving out the most important statesman of our time! The iconic LULA of Brasil!!!
(read the linked article. it is a fabulous piece)

Posted by: Maracatu | Mar 25 2011 22:56 utc | 7

I wonder about this sometimes: in the last 100 years or so, what government has been really good for its own people. What is the best example of good governance?

Posted by: Joseph | Mar 25 2011 23:17 utc | 8

Amidst the near overload of info on Fukushima, I’m noticing a slow drip of slander against the IAEA… “incompetence” and “negligence” and such. Is this more prep for the Iran Job?

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Mar 25 2011 23:48 utc | 9

Joseph
Even as I am most partial to the South American populist left wave of presidents, I think Putin’s presidency in Russia has to fit your bill. He pulled Russia out of abjection to gang-ruled chaos. Early on, he told the gangsters, the oligarch billionaires, they could keep their ill-gotten gains as long as they stayed out of politics and out of media. He stayed true to his word. The only ones who run afoul of him are the ones who cross his line in the sand. I could not have been that prudent, but I think it was wise of him. I cannot stress enough how bad it was in Russia in the ’90s. Putin worked miracles. Yes, the artificially inflated oil and gas bubble made it possible, but he took full advantage of it, and made life radically better for everyone in Russia… if still needing improvement in many places.
I think he and Medvedev are doing a decent job in this global monetary fleecing, too. I am, of course, unsure if they can or will hold this course, but it seems to me they have been trying to build a modern economy without letting the rich take everything from the rest, that what gets reported here as anti-democratic is really anti-fascistic, and meant to arc toward the best interests of all. They seem to want to hold the line against the sociopathic Western elite, rather than push it back. All their global geopolitical moves have been in favor of upholding popular regimes and stopping the advances of fascism.
I think, actually, the PTB agree with me on this, because they have not stopped lacing all media reports on Putin with negative propaganda. The best governments are usually the ones targeted for destruction. I mean, that means their people have the most to steal. So, actually, you can use that as a gauge for which governments need closer scrutiny. The worse our media make them sound, the better they probably are… at least as far as their own people are concerned.

Posted by: 99 | Mar 26 2011 1:56 utc | 10

“Good news. the zionist have lost one: Opposition topples Canada’s Conservative government, triggering election
The opposition parties held the Conservative government in contempt of Parliament in a 156-145 vote for failing to disclose the full financial details of his tougher crime legislation, corporate tax cuts and plans to purchase stealth fighter jets.
Let’s hope that the opposition finally gets its ducks in a row to end Harper for ever and all.”
I wish that I could share your happiness B, but the opposition Liberals are as ultra Zionist as the Tories. And the NDP are no better.
Harper is to the right of just about anyone that you can think of, his party is a creation of the Social Credit party which was essentially fascist, and extremely anti-semitic for many years, so one hopes that he has an electoral accident. On the other hand he might win the election which would be terrible, so long as he has been in a minority position he has had to restrain himself. If he gets a majority Canadian politics will start getting very interesting for all the wrong reasons.
And a majority is quite possible, particularly because the Liberals are led by a cabal of Blairites, as are the NDP. Just another country with three neo-liberal parties trying not to look different. In Quebec things are a little brighter, the Bloc Quebecois being the reason why there has not been a Harper majority.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 26 2011 2:22 utc | 11

What’s On Your Mind Fri/Sat, your own words,
your man on the coast
Whatever’s on your mind …
Can I live tax free like GE?
Good news. the zionist have lost one
It occurred to me recently that there aren’t very many charismatic political figures who have a devoted following.
watson, i have a special fondness for evo morales as a man he seems equal parts toughness & fragility & he has always been under great pressure & has shown exemplarity
he waged many battles throughout his life, he probably has many enemies but also many friends
What is the best example of good governance?
The best governments are usually the ones targeted for destruction.
the most important statesman of our time! The iconic LULA of Brasil!!!
the Bloc Quebecois being the reason why there has not been a Harper majority

Posted by: sockpuppet | Mar 26 2011 3:53 utc | 12

sockpuppet: I know you are but what am I?

Posted by: Biklett | Mar 26 2011 5:16 utc | 13

biklett, a Fed I believe, hey, it’s a paycheck

Posted by: sockpuppet | Mar 26 2011 6:03 utc | 14

sockpuppet, I believe, picks his nose and eats the boogers.

Posted by: Biklett | Mar 26 2011 7:39 utc | 15

and Chomsky says sockpuppet has cooties. *5*

Posted by: Biklett | Mar 26 2011 7:47 utc | 16

If Muammar Al Gaddafi behaved paranoid, it was for good reason. It wasn’t long after he reached the age of 27 and led a small group of junior military officers in a bloodless coup d’état against Libyan King Idris on Sep 1 1969, that threats to his power and life emerged, from monarchists, Israeli Mossad, Palestinian disaffections, Saudi security, the National Front for the Salvation of Libya (NFSL), the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition (NCLO), British intelligence, US antagonism and, in 1995, the most serious of all, Al Qaeda-like Libyan Islamic fighting group, known as Al-Jama’a al-Islamiyyah al-Muqatilah bi-Libya. The Colonel reacted brutally, by either expelling or killing those he feared were against him.

Fascinating reading Dan Lieberman wrote in CounterCurrents on Mar 9 2011: The scramble for Africa is on! winner takes all. So it’s oil, uranium, many rare minerals. Kick the Chinese.

Posted by: hans | Mar 26 2011 10:58 utc | 17

hans, do you have a link? or was it from a book?

Posted by: claudio | Mar 26 2011 11:55 utc | 18

hans, do you have a link? or was it from a book?

Posted by: claudio | Mar 26 2011 11:55 utc | 19

i believe the piece hans is referencing is this

Posted by: lizard | Mar 26 2011 11:57 utc | 20

lizard @ 20: Thanks!

Posted by: Ben | Mar 26 2011 14:05 utc | 21

your welcome Ben.
and now, a little ditty i’ve been working on for the last few days. enjoy:
HIS PURPOSE
equinox, super moon
though no song with which to croon
my heart it feels paralyzed
the con has gone system-wide
I read and write the blogs at night
as war engorges parasites
who salivate for Tripoli
with Tomahawk diplomacy
hey Oblamblam what’s the plan?
your weekend war and African tan
won’t absolve your spineless frame
and how you serve their bloody aims
how you do it is quite the trick
with words as slippery as an oil slick
saving civilians the claimed charade
championed by a three-bitch parade
with every missile launched I see
the ugly depth of hypocrisy
bringing truth up to the surface
no secret anymore, his purpose
exposed for those who wish to know
is performance on the stage, the show
meant to dazzle impressionable minds
providing cover for his master’s crimes

Posted by: lizard | Mar 26 2011 14:52 utc | 22

whatever words
worth
here & now
they are these
sullen stones
i carry
everywhere évidence
of longing lost
to teaching
how to dynamite
worlds gone wrong
something sought
back then
fist clenched
& red flag
silence is
so
accurate
cb mars 2011
i was
once
beautiful
thing to behold
banner & fist
now
broken & battered
breathing
in & out
in & out
cb mars 2011
i’m qualified
during snowstorms
to gather
informations
& to set up
traps
hypnotised by landscape
incant epigrams
learnt when
i left
at your door
you keep wolves
howling through night
they dance
in formation
that is
at oncce
terrrifying & ornate
how you discovered
pioneers
in désert
who were lost
before journey began
i am playing
with marionnettes
calling them names
historical & obselete
being broken
by Memory
shipwreck
steams from Harbour
full of slaves
going somewhere else
we’ll detect divination
in our dreams
& that dangerous
practice for people
without a vision
you write tracts
counting cadence
primitive équations
developing doctrine
gettting you through
one more night
& day
same to me
speculating on species
with sorcerer
we shall look
for a heaven
somewhere in Streets
a long way
from a word
elegeic & elemental
cb mars 2011
hoping hurricane
can come
clean this
all away
away
full fathom five
cb mars 2011
days
so dark
don’t know
where
night went
hours went
slowly
centuries passed
quickly
so quickly
waters rose
once so
tender
now
i am rock
where were you
when wedding
went up
in flames
i know i
was running
into scrub
screaming
i’m too afraid
to tell
you i was
drenched
in these
tears of gasoline
cb mars 2011
soon come
soon comes
time
to tell
how wind went
& didn’t come
back to books
bruno burning
& not going
out
how he burned
into me
giordano bruno
can you see
smoke
from where
you are
beside me
don’t go
cb mars 2011

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 26 2011 15:07 utc | 23

I did want to comment on the Malooga, 29 in the previous thread, about Lybia.
link
I hesitate to speak for or about other posters, we have had a lot of ‘broad brush’ posts about the general opinions expressed on the board – actually they are really quite varied (it is true some ppl have been banned, but I haven’t kept a scorecard.)
No plan.
No plan does not of course literally mean no plans. It means fluid, changing, even conflicting plans that require compromise thru negotiation or arm-twisting. It means no long-standing, worked out, consensual plan, such as we saw concerning Afghanistan and Iraq.
I still maintain there wasn’t and is not today, much of a plan. The US and the ‘West’ were, and are still, in purely reactive mode, with confused motives / action aims / readings of the situation / thoughts about outcomes. Their actions are opportunistic and not well controlled.
Then, in fluid and uncertain territory and situations, a lot of imponderables and unknown unknowns (Rummy’s claim to history, to be engraved on his tombstone), tipping points that are hard to predict – unsavory actors, the usual culprits, profiteers, local potentates, and accidental figures either calculatedly grab an opportunity (perhaps one of many for them) or simply find themselves on the spot, leading to all kinds of uninterpretable mayhem.
No tribes.
To me talk of tribes is ridiculous, as I said. There is the Orientalist aspect that Malooga mentions. Briefly put, Tripolitania and Cyrenea (sp), leaving out the rest of the country, are territories that are quite well defined, different in their geography, have very different histories, and different positions, particularly economic, in the Lybia we see on today’s maps. As in many other countries – states, cantons, etc. That is enough to be going on with and should take precedence over whatever ‘tribes’ inhabit these places in any serious analysis, and not so thru ‘political’ correctness.
Democracy promotion
Serves different purposes in different situations. Duh.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 26 2011 16:26 utc | 24

@ 20 NIICCEE!
@ 24; I believe there is a clear plan, but having said that, I’m a a loss to explain it in other than simplistic terms. Posting here I feel like the neanderthals must have felt watching the sun go down. I know it’s setting, but, at a loss to really explain it, like so many folks do at this site, in such detail. I do know that the world elites control almost everything we see and hear, and what passes down to the common folk, isn’t the reality we need.
That’s where the M of A comes in. Thanks all!

Posted by: Ben | Mar 26 2011 21:03 utc | 25

Top Bush-era GITMO and Abu Ghraib psychologist is WH’s newest appointment

Today, Dr. James circulated an excited email announcing, “with great pride,” that he has now been selected to serve on the “White House Task Force entitled Enhancing the Psychological Well-Being of The Military Family.” In his new position, he will be meeting at the White House with Michelle Obama and other White House officials on Tuesday.
For his work at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, Dr. James was the subject of two formal ethics complaints in the two states where he is licensed to practice: Louisiana and Ohio. Those complaints — 50 pages long and full of detailed and well-documented allegations — were filed by the International Human Rights Clinic of Harvard Law School’s Human Rights Program, on behalf of veterans, mental health professionals and others. The complaints detailed how James “was the senior psychologist of the Guantánamo BSCT, a small but influential group of mental health professionals whose job it was to advise on and participate in the interrogations, and to help create an environment designed to break down prisoners.” Specifically:
During his tenure at the prison, boys and men were threatened with rape and death for themselves and their family members; sexually, culturally, and religiously humiliated; forced naked; deprived of sleep; subjected to sensory deprivation, over-stimulation, and extreme isolation; short-shackled into stress positions for hours; and physically assaulted. The evidence indicates that abuse of this kind was systemic, that BSCT health professionals played an integral role in its planning and practice. . . .

Theres more to this story at the link, including an update with the White house un-appointing this wolf…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 26 2011 22:12 utc | 26

in this butcher shop, nothing, nothing at all surprises me

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 26 2011 22:30 utc | 27

re, Watson @ 3 – about France.
I do believe that getting into the nitty gritty of politics is necessary. Otherwise, why believe in democracy?
flash transcript
Fukushima. Very hard to appreciate the consequences for now. Remember, its Mother Nature — a severe recall that Nature affects man. I don’t trust the F authorities on what they are saying. The FN was traditionally against ‘nukes’, but that is not of much import now, the situation we are in now – must be carefully examined – particularly our aging nuclear plants, how can they be refurbished or de commissioned (Makes no precise proposition, says it is a complicated problem.)
Yes probably oil. Q was not obedient enough. He is being punished. In contradiction with the UN resolution, which was to protect civil pop. on the ground, we are in an active complicity with armed rebels, and from the start. Sarko immediately recognized them! (mentions an ambassador was appointed?) Masks are falling. The formidable military machine that is NATO is attacking a country of 6 million. The french milit. chiefs disgust me, proud of attacking ppl who can’t defend themselves or respond. France should withdraw, and General Pinocchio (we don’t have Pinochet but Pinocchio) who started all this, under the orders of Gepeto who most likely lives in the White House… (when asked, he says terrorist blowback is a possibility, but the economic aspects are worrisome, should be considered)
Yes 66 % of F ppl were Ok with “protection” .. Personally I’m against any interference, but that’s another matter. But things have changed, it became evident that the bombs and cruise missiles are not protecting but killing, collateral damage…..a *dirty* war.
— Jean-Marie Le Pen ‘diary no 222’ – weekly videos on the National Front Website. TV interview format.
Reviewing Marine Le Pen’s (1) economic program, as it is presented on the web for the public, it corresponds to the advice of economic left-wing bloggers for Greece, Portugal (for ex.): an intelligent monetary policy, the possibility of devaluation, boosting exports – first step exit the EURO.
my comment: The economic program is socialist in the old sense, as its effect would be to make the richer less rich, and the poor not more poor, at the least. It would be a kind of ‘equalizer’, which is indirectly mentioned in the program, in terms of ‘for the ppl’, etc. The terms ‘casse sociale’ – social fractioning, breaking, appear. Marine presents the program in contrast to that of an invented entity, the UMPS, which = the UMP (Sarkozy’s party), plus the PS (socialist party), showing that these two do not differ.
The section on immigration is disgustingly stiff, old National Front stuff, modernised with cooperation with Africa and/or developing countries to keep the ‘blackies’ at home.
One point stood out – they argue that a Nation proud and soldered has no trouble with immigrants. The immigrants find a place, adapt, get jobs, join the mainstream, etc. That will have rung bells in many quarters.
all from:
http://www.frontnational.com/
The FN in France is going to be unstoppable. Le Pen himself made it to one of the two Presidential candidates (facing Chirac) back in 2002. (i am not a FN supporter in any way..)
1. Marine le Pen is the daughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen, and the new head of the National Front. She looks like him, lives like him (divorced with children), acts like him, and is one tough cookie. At the age of 8, she found herself in the street in a night gown, after her home was bombed and totally destroyed. She has endured discrimination and violence that would make most give up.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 28 2011 15:26 utc | 28

the world has lost another good man. RIP Joe Bageant

Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 28 2011 16:17 utc | 29

@DoS
sorry to hear it. he was a wonderful ranteur, up there with Mencken, maybe even on the same shelf with Bierce, Swift, and Clemens. “a pen warmed up in hell”. pbuh.

Posted by: DeAnander | Mar 28 2011 16:42 utc | 30

The only reason why gas prices at the pump are about half what they are in the US compared to what they are in Europe is because gas taxes are much higher in Europe than they are in US. But once the cost of subsidies are priced into the cost of gas here in the US, gas prices here are about the same as they are in Europe, if not more.
So the next time you’re at a gas station filling your tank up with gas, think about all the tens of trillions of tax dollars that we are pouring into the oil industry and its fellow corporate welfare queen, the military-industrial complex, just to give us the illusion that gas is about four dollars a gallon, when in reality it is more like eight dollars a gallon.
Whether our confidence to consume is heightened by owning overpriced stocks or consuming under-priced gas, Ben Bernanke and other neo-liberal economists like to refer to this as having a wealth effect upon us. But once Americans get slapped in the face by the cold, hard reality that our stocks are priced too high and our gas is priced too low, the wealth effect will fall flat on its face!
And hopefully by then, we will have grown a big enough backbone to pick up at a sharp enough pitchfork and pin all the neo-liberals and their beneficiaries to the wall. For all the damage they’ve done to us and our country, taking pleasure in watching them squirm is fully justifiable, IMO.

Posted by: Cynthia | Mar 28 2011 20:00 utc | 31

i hope all is well with you & your boat, deanander

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 28 2011 22:01 utc | 32

RIP Joe Bageant

Shit!!! A major loss to one of freedom’s most efficacious satirical pens.
And a big hello and welcome De. You are someone who I have missed having reference to, especially since I stopped visiting FS. I guess I should just go back there from time to time.
: from somewhere on the road in NY for the night, on the way back to VT for Spring chores, nay pleasures. And only one & one half beers to the wind.
J

Posted by: juannie | Mar 29 2011 3:52 utc | 33

We still have Fred Reed…….JB rest in peace…….

Posted by: georgeg | Mar 29 2011 11:54 utc | 34

Joe Bageant, oh no, it is too sad. RIP. To his family and all his buddies, and to us all, what a loss.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 29 2011 15:08 utc | 35

Joe Bageant died last Saturday.
link“>http://www.joebageant.com/joe/>link

Posted by: anna missed | Mar 30 2011 8:33 utc | 36

This is not, of course, an American blog. Nevertheless, I find this
bit of “Americana” quite worthwhile and still pertinent, including the comments.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Mar 30 2011 12:26 utc | 37

Work around New York Times 20 article limit

Posted by: b | Mar 31 2011 12:51 utc | 38

@b – comment 38:
Just throw out the NYT cookies.

Posted by: Philippe | Mar 31 2011 14:41 utc | 39

I’m using the NYTClean work-around with no problems. I’m keeping the cookies because I sometimes comment there.

Posted by: mistah charley, ph.d. | Mar 31 2011 16:49 utc | 40

I’m using the NYTClean work-around with no problems. I’m keeping the cookies because I sometimes comment there.

Posted by: mistah charley, ph.d. | Mar 31 2011 16:49 utc | 41

Good Lord. Joe Bageant. Never heard of him and he is a local (I grew up in the same landscape/culture close to Winchester). He says what I think.
Here is a long talk if anybody missed it.

Posted by: rjj | Mar 31 2011 17:18 utc | 42

silly little sackshivili loses again

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 1 2011 19:49 utc | 43

hot time in the old town – or white city as they say

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 1 2011 19:52 utc | 44

We used to have an artist (was it biklett?) submit work to this site (or was it Billmon’s Whiskey Bar?). Can we resurrect that practice? I do miss the artwork…it provided a nice balance.

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Apr 1 2011 21:14 utc | 45

anna missed & beq

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 1 2011 21:47 utc | 46