Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 4, 2011
Feb 4 – Live Coverage Of ‘Day of Departure’

Some scenes and thoughts from watching AlJazeera live and other sources. Newest entry on top.

This article gives a good impression on how brutal and systematic the police cracks down on any supporter of the anti-government forces. Note that the army is cooperating with this: `You Will Be Lynched,' Says Egyptian Policeman: First Person – not a good sign for what is coming.

On the other side the demonstrations do not get smaller, in Alexandria they were bigger today than last week, the general fear to protest has been broken, the regime was pressed to give some concessions, the neoliberals are out and the international sentiment has turned from pro-Mubarak to anti-Mubarak.

This whole thing still hangs much in balance.

I get the feeling that the regime continues to gear up for a full crackdown. The bureau of the online site of the Muslim Brotherhood has been attacked by "thugs" and shut down, same with the bureau of AlJazeera in Cairo and security in hotels near the Tahrir is confiscating cameras. Reporters continue to receive threats. State media are in full propaganda and spin mode to set the protesters into a bad light. When the media is chased away, the full power of the state will come down onto the protesters. Being able to defend against that is easier in masses than alone. That now may develop into a main reason to keep the square occupied.

Tahrir square still pretty full even though some are leaving – peaceful for now

Alexandria live pictures: Some ten thousands people, more joyous today as before says reporter

17:00 GMT – 19:00 Cairo

Alexandria: Protesters there will now stay in the street and camp out like in Tahrir

16:00 GMT – 18:00 Cairo (darkness)

Prayer in the square, more people seem to leave now

Getting dark in Cairo, some leaving – crowd at top was about 500,000 (my estimate)

"Protest leader" on State TV was fake [shows how bad these folks are]

The State TV story may be false – could be government trick

A man hits a hanged effigy of Mubarak with his shoe

State TV has one of protest leaders on in an interview – [very significant] – also shows closeer up of protest crowd for the first time

According to reporter: Big frenzy was about a (wrong) rumor that Mubarak left, some people start leaving

Four former assistents of former Interior Minister have been detained by the regime

Big frenzy on Tahrir right now – reporter does not know why

15:00 GMT – 17:00 Cairo (curfew time)

Travel restrictions were announced for a former trade minister [regime in slow retreat]

The NDP party bigwig that accused on BBC of "western conspiracy" is one of neoliberal Gamal Mubarak folks who have been sidelined in the new cabinet

Aera east of Tahrir square is said to be filled with lot of police in civilian cloth, Army chased off some hundred pro-Mubarak folks that tried to get to Tahrir through the Museum entrance.

Protest in Damaskus, announced by some folks on Twitter, did not take place at all a BBC reporter on the ground says. Announced protests in Sudan turned out to be 200 students of one University who were quickly dispersed.

Earlier today Amr Moussa joined the protesters and was greeted with large applause. He es former foreign minister who was popular for his tough stand towards Israel. Mubarak sidelined him by making him head of the Arab League – he would be possibly winning presidential candidate in new elections

14:00 GMT – 16:00 Cairo

Party bigwig of ruling NDP on BBC: "western media conspiracy" "Egypt betrayed by west" "Mubarak will not step down"

AJ Evan Hill: also some clashes in streat east of Tharir

Some clashes between pro-Mubarak and antiregime groups some 300 meters west away from the Egyptian Museum entrance to the square

13:00 GMT – 15:00 Cairo

AJ reporter: Some 200 Mubarak supporters try to get near the square – army is trying to hold them back

Access bridge to Tahrir still full of people coming in

Alexandria has tense atmosphere – some police in the streets

Demonstrations reported from other cities additional to Alexandria and Cairo

According to the government and State TV the protesters are supported by: Hamas, Mossad, Hizbullah, U.S., Iran, Israel and Darth Vader

AJ tweets: Al jazeera Arabic's Cairo office has been stormed by unknown men and the office has been trashed

Crowd in Tahrir now probably 2-300,000

El Baradei: I met with nine protest leaders last night. When they left my house they were all arrested, these are Mubarak's promises

12:00 GMT – 14:00 Cairo

Berlusconi: Mubarak "the wisest of men"

State TV says "demonstration in Tahrir is for stability"

Live from Cairo shows one man held and his ID held to the camera – probably pro-Mubarak police in civilian cloth

Cairo: Square still filling up even more, crowd getting denser, difficult to move through

Alexandria: Car with loudspeakers – more organized than last week

Alexandria: dense crowd, maybe 100,000+ visible

Cairo – Tensions outside the square – rumors/reports of some anti-government people on the way to the square get attacked by pro-government folks

Alexandria live video – some scuffles in the crowd – tension – scuffle over – lots of Egyptian flags

11:00 GMT – 13:00 Cairo

Alexandria live video – big crowd, still in prayers

Prayers over – LOUD chanting

Alexandria: Tens of thousands on the street in front of mosque – cordon of seculars protecting those praying – prayer leading iman is one who was forbidden to preach by regime

Sermon in square demands: Regime change, prisoner release, constitutional change

Prayers in the square, quiet – BBC pics confirm AJ pics of some 100,000+ now

Bridge to Tahrir filled with people wanting to come in, military has several checkpoints with barbed wire, more checkpoints set up by protesters

From visuals I estimate the crowd at near 100,000 now

Toni Karon: In Egypt, as Mubarak Vows to Maintain Order, There Will Be Blood

So while the protesters have vowed to hold a massive march to Mubarak's residence on Friday to demand his resignation, the signals from Suleiman and Mubarak suggest that the authorities are shaping up to reclaim control of the streets in a violent crackdown.

Suleiman has thrown down a gauntlet to the Obama Administration and other Western allies of Egypt that have pinned their hopes on the Mubarak regime's beginning an immediate political transition. For now, the regime's plan is to hold on to power and put an end to the protest movement. And to do that, it will have to ignore Washington's demand that it refrain from violence in order to reclaim the streets. With protesters digging in to hold on to Tahrir Square, it's looking increasingly likely that if Suleiman's promises are implemented, there will be blood. The question is whether there's any further leverage that the U.S and its allies are willing or able to exercise in order to change Mubarak's mind.

10:00 GMT – 12:00 Cairo

In interview Suleiman said late yesterday "army will not be used against protesters" [not sure I believe him]

Protesters at entry checking IDs (which shows the profession) for up to 10-12 times, have some help from army

Live TV shows further growing crowd, loud chanting

09:00 GMT – 11:00 Cairo

Legal difficulties in replacing a president: The Egyptian constitution’s rulebook for change

People get frisked before entering the square, fear of armed infiltrators

Reporter from square: At some entries military in riot gear is not allowing people through

Live pictures seems to show a growing crowd in Tahrir, festive music playing

08:00 GMT – 10:00 Cairo

From video pictures I estimate 10-15,000 people in Tahrir Square

NYT: U.S. administration discussing with Egypt government about Mubarak departure – setting up a military triumvirate, Suleiman, Lt. Gen. Sami Enan, chief of the Egyptian armed forces, and Field Marshal Mohamed Tantawi, the defense minister, to start constitutional reform

anti-government protester from square: everyone is exited – will stay until Mubarak leaves -planing for march to Presidential Palace, but not sure it will work out – don't know where the army stands – military police was trying some crack down yesterday – two field hospitals in the square and next to museum plus a bigger one in a mosque

Video shows more infantry deployed – helmets with visor [military police?]

Rallies planed for today in Yemen, Syria, Jordan and of course in Egypt where it is the 'Day of Departure'

AJ reporter: It was a calm night

07:00 GMT – 09:00 Cairo

Comments

Has anyone heard how the march will go? Will it be in Heliopolis by the palace or still in Tahrir? A march from Tahrir to the palace would be very long and unwieldy for a large mass of people. They would be better of finding a closer rally point and then marching from their. Big Demos most likely will start after noon Friday prayers are over, so its still early.

Posted by: Lysander | Feb 4 2011 7:26 utc | 1

“what happens in Tunisia and Egypt and international solidarity is universalism at work: no civilization clash at all” Zizek #jan25

Posted by: Rick Happ | Feb 4 2011 9:03 utc | 2

From AJE Live blog:
10:50am: Egypt’s defence minister is visiting Tahrir Square today, a ministry source tells Reuters. “Field Marshal [Mohamed Hussein] Tantawi and leaders of the armed forces are currently in Tahrir Square,” the source is quoted as saying.

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 4 2011 9:08 utc | 3

AMR MOUSSA COMING NOW! CROWD IS EXCITED!! NOW THAT IS A LEADER #jan25

Wait, who? damn caught off guard again..

Posted by: Lex | Feb 4 2011 12:01 utc | 4

No leaders….not yet. A Plan, most definately, but don’t put all of your eggs in “leaders.” The Plan must be reflexive, adaptive and improvisational based off of an explicit set of principles. If they identify specific leaders, the opposition will target the leaders and take them out….then you are back to square one. This rebellion has to be like the idea behind Wikileaks. It’s everywhere, and yet nowhere. It can’t be targeted. Make ypurselves into a metaphorical T-1000, at least until Mubarak and the top Army brass are apprehended, butted and hung upside in the streets like Mussolini as a message to the world’s elite that “they” will be held to account.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiEj9dmlOs

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Feb 4 2011 12:16 utc | 5

AMR MOUSSA – President of the Arab League – sidelined by Mubarak for being too popular

Posted by: b | Feb 4 2011 12:17 utc | 6

I don’t know what “butted” is and I don’t know how it got there. The point still remains.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Feb 4 2011 12:19 utc | 7

Israel shocked by Obama’s “betrayal” of Mubarak

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 4 2011 12:50 utc | 8

The video featured in this link to the Free Iraq is probably already well known here, as too perhaps are the “revelations” of Wayne Madsen contained in the comments. That the U.S. program of “extraordinary rendition” has a long term relation with the Egyptian government is well documented. How much weight the fear of further detailed exposure of that cooperation in torture might have on present U.S. policy with regard to a “peaceful transition” in Egypt is less clear, but certainly merits airing.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Feb 4 2011 13:01 utc | 9

from ‘On Coalition Government'(April 24th,1945),Selected Works Vol.111,p.257
The people, and the people alone,are the motive force in the making of world history.
Mao Tse Tung
EMPIRE DOES NOT IN ANY WAY REPRESENT PEOPLE

Posted by: noiseannoys | Feb 4 2011 13:06 utc | 10

From a certain point onward there is no longer any turning back. That is the point that must be reached.
Kafka

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Feb 4 2011 13:21 utc | 11

@morocco bama: maybe you meant “gutted”.
B it’s a pleasure to have you back along with many of the illustrious old crew in these tumultuous times. you’ve been missed.

Posted by: Ran | Feb 4 2011 13:28 utc | 12

Suppose Mubarak leaves and is succeeded by Chief Torturer Suleiman, either alone or as part of a triumvirate – would this not be another case of “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”?

Posted by: mistah charley, ph.d. | Feb 4 2011 13:28 utc | 13

I think all of us can agree that what we are witnessing, not just in Egypt, but in Tunisia, Yemen, Algeria….and soon to be other countries, are perturbations resulting from a world of limited resources, and becoming more limited and scare by the day, and a Globalized Economic System designed to concentrate the “wealth” extracted from those resources, on the backs of the Masses, into the hands of a few who consider them superior, and thus more worthy, than the rest.
That being said, I cannot help but think that all the strategists in the Military Industrial Complex, who have forewarned of this and written strategy papers on it, are sitting back and observing a simulated laboratory experiment in order to adapt their strategy/strategies going forward. Except, it’s not really a simulation in the respect it’s not controlled. They may think of it as a microcosmic mini-universe likened to the what the Haldron Collider is expected to manifest, but as some have speculated with the Haldron Collider, you run the risk, regardless of its probability, of creating an ever-expanding black hole in the process.
I hope the metaphorical Black Hole manifests, and swallows these bastards into the deep abyss for eternity.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Feb 4 2011 13:31 utc | 14

Meanwhile, tangentially related… Obama Blocks US Torture Probe.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 4 2011 13:55 utc | 15

Ran @ 12, yes, you are correct, I meant gutted. After I wiped the foam from my mouth and calmed down, I realized I meant gutted. I was caught up in the moment. This thing here, naturally, has gotten me edgy. I already have a propensity to be edgy, so add this to it and I’m edgy to the power of three, sometimes more.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Feb 4 2011 14:07 utc | 16

Minute by minute account by Al Ahram Might be pro Muburak but a good account.

Posted by: hans | Feb 4 2011 15:03 utc | 17

Big frenzy on Tahrir right now – reporter does not know why

I think some are marching to Presidential Palace. Please let this be peaceful!!

Posted by: hans | Feb 4 2011 15:11 utc | 18

The Presidential Palace is way too far they would take at least until midnight to reach there. I think there are closer objectives around. But the plan seems to stay at Tahrir.
A map of the area and the route to the palace in The Guardian

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 4 2011 15:29 utc | 19

The MB looks to be seeking for a way to de-escalation and cash whatever benefit they can from the new scenario in Egypt. I doubt the secular and leftist young factions is going to like that. But they may become more isolated from now on.
I think I have heard in AJE one of the reporters saying there were 1M marching on Alexandria (second city, out of 7 million total population).

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 4 2011 15:50 utc | 20

Well I was wrong! Which is great. I didn’t think this uprising would last this long. Now I’m cautiously optimistic but still very afraid all this won’t end particularly well for Egyptians.

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 4 2011 17:48 utc | 21

BBC reports that it was the army who detained the MB members. I fear what will happen when the international media tires of this next week or so. And there is a limit on how much time so many people can remain in Tahrir. There doesn’t seem to be any division on the army at this point that can be exploited. The regime seems now confident that they can ignore the western ‘protests’. And they seems they won’t commit the error of opening massacring protesters, at least while there are cameras or international journalist around. I think there is still a 50% that they may drop Mubarak through the weekend though. He is still valuable as a spendable ‘concession’ and because they don’t really want to ‘disgrace’ one of their own (military).
1713: More on the Muslim Brotherhood: the group joins other opposition movements in denying they have held any talks with the current government.
1709: Wael Abbas seems to confirm his own detention, tweeting: “Arrested by the army!”
1708: Ramy Yaacoub tweets: “It seems that blogger Wael Abbas has been arrested by the army.”
1705: CNN Breaking Newslink tweets: “Security force with “thugs” storms website office of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood and makes arrests, group say.”

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 4 2011 18:23 utc | 22

The new narrative from the media (BBC)? Not that they haven’t attempted to play this tune since the start.

1815: The BBC’s Rupert Wingfield-Hayes reports on the changing composition of the crowd in Tahrir Square: “This did not start as an Islamic uprising, but the actions of the Mubarak regime have forced many of the middle class protesters off the street, and what is left is much more hard line.”

MB has survived under the regime for decades, collaborating in a way as the illegal controlled opposition, and they are playing a slow very long term game. They know when to back off and go underground when the danger of a large crackdown looms. I wonder if the secular youth groups knows.

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 4 2011 18:29 utc | 23

The Paper, “The MB looks to be seeking for a way to de-escalation and cash whatever benefit they can from the new scenario in Egypt. I doubt the secular and leftist young factions is going to like that. But they may become more isolated from now on.”
Please don’t underestimate these Egyptian youth (or elders for that matter). Although I don’t consider myself a “left liberal” due to many conservative beliefs, I listened to Slavoj Žižek on AlJazeera this morning and he made some very valid points.
Here is a Feb. 1, 2011 article by him: “The western liberal reaction to the uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia frequently shows hypocrisy and cynicism”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/01/egypt-tunisia-revolt

Posted by: Rick Happ | Feb 4 2011 18:42 utc | 24

Statement from the ” Panel of the Wise”(arabic, translate with google):
http://www.shabab-masr.com/
I recognize only Moussa and Nour, but my knowledge of Egyptian politics is near non-existent anyway..

Posted by: Lex | Feb 4 2011 18:47 utc | 25

on above page:
facebook: 22,991 people recommend this.
/sry for doublepost

Posted by: Lex | Feb 4 2011 18:48 utc | 26

Lex #25
Try this “Google Translate”
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.shabab-masr.com/

Posted by: Rick Happ | Feb 4 2011 19:03 utc | 27

Sorry again – I see there is an English version link right there at the bottom
http://www.shabab-masr.com/Statement_of_Egyptian_youth_-_English.pdf

Posted by: Rick Happ | Feb 4 2011 19:23 utc | 28

I’m not sure who the ‘Council of Wisemen’ means but being already talking with Suleiman and basically supporting all their points they don’t seem like the same protesters we are hearing in AJE. Same with all the legalistic pronouncements now popping around about why the current constitution (the constitution of the dictatorship) doesn’t allows for Mubarak or Suleiman being kicked out, that the Parliament will be controlled by the NPD (a Parliament that none voted for) and similar pro ‘orderly’ non-transition.
From The Guardian:

Egypt’s vice president Oscar Suleiman will meet a group of prominent independent figures tomorrow, promoting a solution to the country’s crisis in which he would assume the president’s powers for an interim period, one of the group said, reports Reuters They seem to think Suleiman taking over is “the only way forward” – I’m pretty certain there are an awful lot of protesters who would not agree with that:
Diaa Rashwan told Reuters he and others had been invited to see Vice President Omar Suleiman to discuss solutions to the crisis based on an article of the constitution that would allow President Hosni Mubarak to hand his powers to his deputy.
Mubarak would stay on in a symbolic position under the proposal being promoted by Rashwan and a group of Egyptians calling itself the “The Council of Wise Men”…
Handing powers to Suleiman offers a potential compromise between protesters’ demands for Mubarak to leave office immediately and his stated decision to stay on until the end of his term in September. Responding to speculation that such a scenario might happen, the prime minister said on Friday that it was unlikely the president would hand presidential powers to his newly appointed deputy, Al Arabiya television reported.
“We need the president to stay for legislative reasons,” Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq was quoted as saying in a headline.
“The Council of Wise Men” are focusing on Article 139 of the constitution, which says the president may appoint one or more vice presidents, “define their jurisdictions and relieve them of their posts”. But Article 82 could present a legal complication. It says that while the president is able to delegate powers to a deputy, that person is not allowed to request constitutional amendments or dissolve the parliament or shura councils.
If that article holds, it would be impossible for a Suleiman-led administration to carry out the constitutional reforms promised by Mubarak in response to the protests.
Without constitutional changes, a presidential election in September would have to run under the same rules that opposition parties say stack all the cards in favour of Mubarak’s ruling party and effectively rule out an effective rival bid.
Ahmed Kamal Aboul Magd, a prominent lawyer and one of the so-called Wise Men, said he had met Suleiman on Friday and proposed Suleiman take Mubarak’s powers. He said the vice president had not discussed it. Amr Hamzawy, a prominent political analyst and also a member of the council, said the solution would bring about a transitional government.
“The council demands that the president hands all presidential powers to Vice President Omar Suleiman for the transitional period of power, ending with Mubarak’s term,” Hamzawy said.
Suleiman, 74, was appointed by Mubarak last week – the first time he had appointed a deputy in three decades in charge of the Arab world’s most populous country. It is the post Mubarak held before he became president. Rashwan said opposition figures had expressed support for the proposal to switch powers to Suleiman. “The only way forward is for Mubarak to give up power to Suleiman,” he said. “The opposition leadership is so divided that no clear option is available outside the ruling establishment,” he added.

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 4 2011 19:33 utc | 29

thanks Rick Happ 😉 in chromium it directly asks you to translate, but I figured it is the same with google translate.
More demands, displayed in their basecamp:
http://twitpic.com/3whden

Posted by: Lex | Feb 4 2011 19:33 utc | 30

Or in brief. We know that the Suleiman regime doesn’t really want to talk with the opposition (El Baradei, MB, human right groups, the people at Tahrir). Are we seeing how they are creating a palatable ‘opposition’ with which to talk with?

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 4 2011 19:36 utc | 31

I think those could be the same demands posted in The Guardian:

5.52pm: Egyptian blogger @suzeeinthecity has tweeted what she says are the seven demands of the protesters (see the four drawn up by youth groups we detailed at (5.05pm)
1. Resignation of the president
2. End of the Emergency State
3.Dissolution of The People’s Assembly and Shora Council
4. Formation of a national transitional government
5.An elected Parliament that will ammend the Constitution to allow for presidential elections
6. Immediate prosecution for those responsible of the deaths of the revolution’s martyrs
7. Immediate prosecution of the corrupters and those who robbed the country of its wealth.

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 4 2011 19:37 utc | 32

Couple that with the false information from an Austrian newspaper saying that El Baradei wouldn’t run for president. After the violence they are seem to be playing the game of rumours, disinformation and confusion.

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 4 2011 19:42 utc | 33

Currently frontpaged on Counterpunch, a detailed article by Esam Al-Amin about the Mubarak regime’s recent plans, actions and what leverage can be raised against it.
http://counterpunch.org/amin02042011.html

Ambassador Wisner, who has been in Egypt since Saturday, was asked to deliver to Mubarak an ultimatum from Obama. It would be similar to the one given to Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines in 1989 by then President George H. W. Bush. Mubarak would be told that he should resign and transfer his presidential powers to his vice president.
If he refuses, the army would then remove him anyway, while Western governments would go after the billions in American and European assets that he and his sons have hoarded over the years. He would also be told that he would face a certain indictment by the International Criminal Court on War Crimes against his people. Surely, Mubarak would be expected to choose the first option and leave either to Germany under a medical pretext, or join his two sons in London.
As Omar Suleiman is promoted to become the new President of Egypt, this appointment will be hailed by Western governments and media as a great victory by the pro-democracy forces and as the expression of the will of the Egyptian people. Political and economic reforms will then be promised to the people, in an effort that allows great leeway in internal reforms but keep foreign policy intact.
However, this move will undoubtedly divide the country. The leaders of the revolution, namely the youth, who have led the demonstrations for the past two weeks and sacrificed blood for it, would continue to press for total and clean break from the previous regime. They will also be supported by popular and grass-roots movements such as the Muslim Brotherhood.

Al-Amin goes on to detail the regime’s strategy.

The battle plan was for the baltagies to block seven entrances of the Tahrir Square, leaving only the American Embassy entrance open for the thugs to push back the demonstrators in order for them to come so close to the Embassy that its guards surrounding it would have to shoot at them and thus instigate a confrontation with the Americans.
But the heroic steadfastness of the demonstrators lead by the youth was phenomenal as they not only withstood their ground but also chased them away every time they were pushed.

Not sure where Al-Amin is getting his information but it adds some interesting spice to the stew.

Posted by: Jonku | Feb 4 2011 19:45 utc | 34

i want to be optimistic , rick, but i am not – & like b i think it really hangs in the balance – there are many many concerns too with suleiman, the army – the so called wisemen – the real danger in egypt comes not from the muslim brotherhood but from elites gone mad prepared to sacrifice their people

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 4 2011 20:24 utc | 35

jonku, if anyone believes when mubarak steps down a shoein of the new ‘vp’ is gonna fly they are delusional. simply delusional. there is no willingness nada for suleiman because egyptians no who he is. every interview i hear (weiss and ahmed moor very current) reiterate the same thing: “VP Omar Suleiman is not a viable alternative. People don’t respect a former spy chief.”
these protesters are not doing this for more of the same. sandmonkey said the same thing yesterday.
also, this is not just a youth demonstration even tho they led it. the country is not divided. yes the regime had it’s supporters but that alone does not a divided country make.
i’m not saying his info isn’t correct wrt western plans, i’m just saying nobody is fooled by making suleiman vp and then having him just be there when mubarak leaves. massive fail.

Posted by: annie | Feb 4 2011 20:24 utc | 36

Lex #32,
1. Resignation of the president
2. Parliaments dissolved
3. Emergency laws stopped
4. New open government
5. New elected parliament and changes constitution
6. Resp for dead pursues
7. Law pursues corrupted
[Taken from twitter jan25 – not sure if correct.]

Posted by: Rick Happ | Feb 4 2011 20:25 utc | 37

not sure if anyone has posted this here before. this is the vlog (video blog) which according to seham , the extremely informed provider of mondo’s daily crime lists claims started it all:
recorded on January 18th by Asmaa Mahfouz, the girl who helped start it all. She had shared it on her Facebook, and it had gone viral. It was so powerful and so popular, that it drove Egyptians by the thousands into Tahrir Square, and drove the Egyptian government to block Facebook
it’s impressive: Meet Asmaa Mahfouz and the vlog that Helped Spark the Revolution

Posted by: annie | Feb 4 2011 20:29 utc | 38

I guess that was Obama as close as he could get to suggesting that perhaps Mubarak should consider quitting. Now.

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 4 2011 20:41 utc | 40

The Paper #32,
Sorry for reposting … didn’t refresh browser and see your post.

Posted by: Rick Happ | Feb 4 2011 21:04 utc | 41

I like that list The Paper posted in #32 above, however, there is no logic in demanding this. Demand from who/whom? You have to do it, not demand it. I think it’s clear that you don’t demand anything from a cabal. They’re incapable of entertaining such a notion.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Feb 4 2011 21:08 utc | 42

r’giap #35,
Yes, I am not bothered by the Muslim Brotherhood, but as you say, there are many tied to top levels of the military and government. Extreme civil strife and even civil war is a possibility. But I still am optimistic. If this revolution is successful, a new age will arrive for not only the Middle East, but even beyond.

Posted by: Rick | Feb 4 2011 21:21 utc | 43

where in the fact was ban ki moon manufactured – this dullard doll who repeats word for word his masters within the walls of washington is like some kind of figure within a punch & judy show
servility is a squeamish thing to watch – even the barjo berlusconi is preferable – who in this fucking world would want a reference from that criminal

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 4 2011 21:22 utc | 44

Great coverage b, thanks.

Posted by: Joseph | Feb 4 2011 21:30 utc | 45

Googling a bit. None looks like a radical. Some look like moderation opposition figures, some are from respected international organization, some look like members of the regime.
They look just like the kind of people Suleiman would want to talk with. And they kind that could have the popular cloud to reconduct a people revolution towards an ‘orderly’ transition.
Of course I may be wrong as my knowledge about Egypt figures is zero.
Dr. Ahmad Kamal Abul Magd : Law professor link
Dr. Ahmed Zewail : Nobel winner, I have heard about him through the week as someone the people would respect but not a radicallink
Mr. Naguib Sawiris : Telecom businessman link
Mr. Ambassador Amr Moussa : Rival to Mubarak (that means he is from the regime), Arab League Secretary, was today on Tahrir looking around, but he also said Mubarak will remain until september link
Mr. Gawdat Al-Malt : uh? new finance minister? link
Dr. Usama Al-Ghazali Harb : Shura member (Egyptian upper house), legal opposition, possible presidential candidate link
Dr. Amr Hamzawy : research director and senior associate at the Carnegie Middle East Center in Beirut link
Mr. Muneer Fakhri Abdul Nur : New Wafd party, legal opposition link
Mr. Mahmoud Saad : footballer? link

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 4 2011 21:48 utc | 46

The diplomatic car that ran over 20 or so people seems to come from the US Embassy (I had read it was a diplomatic vehicle but nowhere it was from the US previously). And of course it was stolen.
Soure AJE Live Blog:

11:09pm The US Embassy in Cairo sent this statement to Al Jazeera. The video in question is at the bottom of this page – see 2:49am:
We have seen a video that alleges a US embassy vehicle was involved in a hit and run incident that injured dozens in Cairo. We are certain that no embassy employees or diplomats were involved in this incident. On January 28, however, a number of our US Embassy vehicles were stolen. Since these vehicles were stolen, we have heard reports of their use in violent and criminal acts. If true, we deplore these acts and the perpetrators.

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 4 2011 21:55 utc | 47

god i detest the amercanisms/anglocisms on aje like they did internships at fox news or huffington post – “bring us up to speed”, “gamechanger”, ‘dealbreaker”, “fail”, national conversation etc etc – drives me around the twist
when is john simspson going to lead the arab masses – this overweight & pompous lawrence of arabia
& robert fisk’s pomposity gives me the shits – perhaps it is me – i’m sure it is me

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 4 2011 23:21 utc | 48

r’giap #48,
No it’s not you. But just think, if this revolution is even partially successful, you may find more than one source in Egypt for true open independent media. How is that for optimism? Of course, the youth of Egypt will have to remain idealistic, retain liberal views in their desire for people’s freedom, and remain conservative/forceful in defending a new constitution protecting people’s rights. But most important, they must fend off what would be a renewed onslaught of the world (corporate) elite.

Posted by: Rick | Feb 5 2011 0:13 utc | 49

rick – “No it’s not you.” i would be surprised if that actually was r’giap

Posted by: b real | Feb 5 2011 0:38 utc | 50

paper, how did you stumble across Dr. Amr Hamzawy’s name? from usa today

Update at 11:28 a.m. ET One member of a group of “wise men” who have met with Egypt’s new vice president and prime minister says the officials do not support forcing President Hosni Mubarak from office, but “more likely” envision making Mubarak an honorary president. Under the arrangement, Mubarak would hand his presidential powers to Suleiman to reach political agreement with the opposition but would serve out his term until fall elections.
Amr Hamzawy, who is also with the Carnegie Middle East Center in Beirut, tells Al-Jazeera that his group of independent intellectuals, politicians, writers and diplomats met today with Suleiman and Ahmad Shafik. He says Mubarak has already given Suleiman “all needed presidential powers” to “manage a transition period.”
Hamzawy says the “wise men” are not trying to negotiate a political settlement but are merely trying to work out a negotiating process by which the government and opposition leaders can find an agreement.

merely trying to work out a negotiating process whereby mubarak remains president (allegedly in name only), hands the reins to suleiman. i don’t think the revolutionaries are interested in negotiating w/mubaraks team, and it isn’t up to mubarak to ‘give’ ‘all needed presidential powers’ to suleiman.
anyway, the other names, where did you find them. carnegie mellon is a radically rightwing organization i think.

Posted by: annie | Feb 5 2011 0:52 utc | 51

b real,
Thanks.. I see the spelling is wrong. I thought it was a wierd post but I haven’t been listening to AJ except for early this morning.
On another note, if anybody is wondering about the weather for those in the Tahrir Square tonight/tomorrow:
Weather in Cairo, Egypt (accuweather.com)
Friday
Increasing cloudiness
High Temperature: 72°F
Low Temperature: 57°F
Saturday
Clouds giving way to some sun
High Temperature: 68°F
Low Temperature: 55°F

Posted by: Rick | Feb 5 2011 0:55 utc | 52

rick, b real
that actually is me, i think i’m a victim of close reading sometimes – i do not expect aje to reflect my worldview but when it first began – it was intelligent, issues were dealt with intelligently – here i watch, or used to watch french italian & english news but even in the early 90’s it was so burlesque & in the last ten years – unwatchable
but aje for some time has been consistantly reactionary on latin america & africa & quite ambivalent usually on the middle east – except for a few reorters,, & marwan bishara – they are ex bbc hacks
& in their coverage which at least has been constant – the language(& mostly it is the presenters) is a language for me that is polluted, empty of meaning
what we are witnessing, at least in part in egypt is breathtakingly fresh even if it has its roots in ancient revolutions & changes – & the language of the people on the square is amazingly free of cant, lucid sometimes lyric & i find it filtered through their presenters – a little difficult sometimes
i do not know whether it is the 24 hours cycle or their desire to enter into the american market – there is a too often a manner of phrasing that is wooden like politicians – so different from the language we sometimes are able to hear on the street
perhaps i watch it too closely, do not take enough distance, but i did notice some time ago – in relation to iraq for example – allowing people like bolton, brad buckley(?) a number of a e i hacks who were even discredited by then being given a voice – i thought at first that it was – that if you let the enemy speak they would condemn themselves but i think that was a forlorn hope
i am deeply cynical about the medium itself so it is a little coloured by that – i hope that is a little more coherent
i desire the world, for our comrades in egypt but i sense of foreboding but if i reflect more calmly i remember nearly all the changes in latin america in the last two decades has come from the people – so you are correct rick, to counsel hope, i hope

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 5 2011 1:36 utc | 53

rgiap, i do not know whether it is the 24 hours cycle or their desire to enter into the american market – there is a too often a manner of phrasing that is wooden like politicians – so different from the language we sometimes are able to hear on the street[emphasis added]
You may have hit upon something there.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7720636/a_push_to_demand_al_jazeera_english.html?cat=75


Al Jazeera English has created a web page titled “Demand Al Jazeera” targeted to US viewers and showing an advertising video of just what they have to offer as far as impartial media coverage.
They have also created what they are calling ‘Al Jazeera Meetups’, where US viewers are encouraged to meet up with other viewers and demand Al Jazeera English through their cable providers. “The past month has shown us something that America can no longer ignore: millions of Americans want to watch our channel and better understand our region, and too many are deprived of that opportunity.” – Wadah Khanfar, director general of the Al Jazeera Network.

Posted by: Rick | Feb 5 2011 1:52 utc | 54

Egyptian Finance Minister on CNN TV at this moment saying banks and ATM’s will be open Sunday.
Piers Morgan, the host, has featured pro-Mubarak people all week. Who is this jerk?

Posted by: Rick | Feb 5 2011 2:21 utc | 55

he is one of murdoch’s pornographers – he really is a piece of work – responsible for a great deal of infamy – paranthetically i was reading one of murdochs tawdry little sheets on line – & they have an article – bogus i imagine where it speaks of an assassination attempt on suleiman
one of the little tricks of a monopolist like murdoch is that one of his newspapers cites another of his newspapers to authenticate thing – really the man is a monster

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 5 2011 2:45 utc | 56

i have just had a look rick & yes tonight one after another we have the whole range of reactionaries – nearly all talking of america & israel or ‘journalist’ – as if the egyptian people do not exist

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 5 2011 2:53 utc | 57

glad to be surprised; apologies for reading too closely myself

Posted by: b real | Feb 5 2011 5:29 utc | 58

annie, the names come from the link Rick posted. I also found the same names in another website searching for ‘council of the wisemen’. Basically, someone is spreading this group of representatives of the ‘protesters’ around.
http://www.shabab-masr.com/Statement_of_Egyptian_youth_-_English.pdf

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 5 2011 7:35 utc | 59

The situation in Sinai is getting completely out of control. On Monday or Tuesday the Hamas/Hizbullah operation liberating their prisoners and attacks from Beduins (smugglers) on police stations. Yesterday a RPG attack on security service building /burned) at Al Arish, the main city in North Sinai and way too close to Gaza for the alliance of the butchers. Today the gas pipeline that supplies Egyptian gas (and from AngryArab at a cheap price) to Israel has been bombed.
That means that the regime, the US and Israel will get the urge to act and very fast. It wouldn’t surprise me if Israel reinvades Sinai if Egypt isn’t able to hold it under control, or perhaps some UN/NATO ‘peacekeepers’. The Egypt army hasn’t been on Sinai for 30 years so they don’t have installation or resources to act fast there. That without taking into account that the peace agreement forbids their presence there and Israel may accept small numbers but perhaps not the numbers required for a large ‘anti-terrorist’ operation. The police and security forces have been overpowered there like in the rest of the country.

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 5 2011 7:48 utc | 60

From AJE Live Blog:

10:30am: Sources confirm to Al Jazeera that a blast has occured in northern Sinai. Residents in El-Arish says flames are raging near gas pipeline leading to Israel.
“Saboteurs took advantage of the security situation and blew up the gas pipeline,” a state television correspondent reports.
10:17am: Reuters quotes Egyptian state TV as saying “terrorists” have targeted an Israel-Egypt gas pipeline in northern Sinai.
10:15am: There are reports of a blast and fires in Arish in northern Sinai near a gas pipeline close to the Israeli border.

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 5 2011 7:54 utc | 61

AngryArab on those phony ‘wisemen’:

Don’t trust a billionaire during a revolution
So a self-appointed committee, called the “Wise Men Committee” has been issuing opinions and commands and is trying to mediate between the people of Egypt and the regime of Mubarak. Their first idea was to donate Egypt to the head of Mubarak’s secret police, `Umar Sulayman. The Egyptian billionaire, Najib Sawiris, is a member of the committee and that troubles me greatly. What would have Marx thought about an initiative of a billionaire at a time of revolutionary change. Sawiris, of course, has been close to Jamal Mubarak and is an opportunist who shifts and flip flops, even on Palestine. I trust him like George Habash trusted Yasir `Arafat. `Amr Musa is another well-known opportunist: a servant of Mubarak has just saw the light because Sha`ban `Abd-Ar-Rahim likes him. But the protesters are impressive: when one member of the Committee (Abu Al-Majd) tried to talk today in Tahrir Square, he was shouted down and interrupted and sent home.

I see it as a very dangerous development. AJE is talking about talks about forming a council with Suleiman as VP and acting president. ‘Orderly’ transtion. ‘Change’ you can believe in. Is Obama campaign manager working for Suleiman now?

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 5 2011 8:18 utc | 62

On the gas pipeline, re 61, that’s the most positive thing I’ve heard since Thursday. I hope it was destroyed. At any rate, pipelines are easy to wreck.
The BBC has just said that the pipeline supplies Jordan, omitting the supply to Israel. The BBC has become very MSM.
In Cairo, it’s a stand-off. The Counterpunch article by Esam al-Amin linked by Jonku in 34, is excellent. It characterises the situation very well, though apparently there are errors. The regime could outlast the demonstrations.

Posted by: alexno | Feb 5 2011 9:08 utc | 63

annie,
I was just posting the english translation of this link
http://www.shabab-masr.com/ posted above.
None of us at MOA are saying this is legitimate.

Posted by: Rick | Feb 5 2011 9:14 utc | 64

Two different posts on Jan25 twitter just now about the pipeline explosion. I don’t know if the facts stated in either post are true but posters seem legit.
1) outs1d3r: YOUSI MEMAN ex ISRAELI mousad officer owns %25 of EGYPT National GAS company.
2)NevineZaki The gas line that exploded is the 1 connected to Jordan, not Israel, and they have extinguished the fire.
And then there is this post about the curfew. Again, I do not know if it is correct, but poster appears to be legit.
SherineT: Curfew now from 7pm to 6am..soldier said to me yest it will be enforced strongly from tonight onwards

Posted by: Rick | Feb 5 2011 9:49 utc | 65

2)NevineZaki The gas line that exploded is the 1 connected to Jordan, not Israel, and they have extinguished the fire.
But according to the Guardian, they’ve turned off the gas in both.
I hope there’s an attack on the Israeli one now. I disagree with b that this is a black incident by Mubarak to prove chaos is coming. You’re forgetting that as with oil, the profits from the sale of gas go direct to the state, and thus into Mubarak’s pocket. He wouldn’t cut off his own revenue stream. No, this is the opposition, probably intending to hit the Israel pipeline and getting the wrong one. But pipelines are very vulnerable, and a new attack can be expected. That’s why both are closed.

Posted by: alexno | Feb 5 2011 11:32 utc | 66

@alexno – the gas sales bring $300 million a year, a week of interruption will not be significant to Mubarak’s bank account.
The perpetrators were likely local Bedouins, the question is if someone (who?) paid them to do it or if they did this on their own account.

Posted by: b | Feb 5 2011 12:45 utc | 67

b real
i’m quite ill my friend, spending more time before the information than i otherwise might be & yes sometimes close reading can render the contexts a little absent
i am rereading fisk’s great tome & it is a useful book, very useful – but his voice i must admit a find a little unbearable – what angryarab – would call the great white man – & on the night of the massacre in the square he had written a rather sneering article on the chaotic aspects of the anti mubarak people, that even the real context, i found unjust & anecdotal

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 5 2011 15:34 utc | 68