Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 18, 2011
Bloody Revolutions

In Egypt a very big crowd is celebrating their, so far, successful revolution in Tahrir square.

Today's protests in Yemen seem not to have been violently suppressed yet.

In Benghazi, Lybia, members of Ghaddafi's "revolutionary committees" have used live fire against protesters.

AlJazeerah just had a doctor from Salmaniya hospital in Bahrain on the phone. He was in panic. The hospital is "full of casualties". Within the last hours many people have been shot and the emergency service can not get through to them.

Good luck to all revolutionaries.

Comments

Hypocrisy of Obama administration is clearly evidence against tragedy in Bahrain.
Repressive, puppet regime in Bahrain dominated exclusively with minority segment of society for years has discriminated against majority of propel with help of US and Saudi Arabian rulers.
Clinton & Obama were very vocal in situation of Egypt and Iran, but mostly salient against government violence against Bahraini civilian.
Bahraini people will remember these crimes and there will be consequences.
Obama is a coward and hypocrite under heavy influence of Zionists.

Posted by: Loyal | Feb 18 2011 17:29 utc | 1

“Where is Obama? Where is the world?”

Question from demonstrator after describing today’s massacre in Bengazi. (AJE)

Posted by: Night Owl | Feb 18 2011 17:32 utc | 2

“Where is Obama? Where is the world?”
Wow! This is like asking Pope Nazinger to save you from the pedophile priests.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Feb 18 2011 19:39 utc | 3

U.S. pledges $150 million to help Egypt’s transition

“I’m pleased to announce today we will be reprogramming $150 million for Egypt to put ourselves in a position to support the transition there and assist with their economic recovery,” Clinton said.

Notice that the money is NOT for putting Egyptians “in a position to support the transition”.
It is to bribe this or that traitor in Egypt to do the U.S. bidding. The alarm was sounded in today’s NYT: Egyptians Say Military Discourages an Open Economy
The neo-liberals fearing an Egypt that will not fall for their lies. Fast, set up a honeypot of bribes to change that …

Posted by: b | Feb 18 2011 20:15 utc | 4

$150 million is chump change compared to the multi-billion dollar allowance the Egyptian military receives every year. Who are they kidding? I think this is for publicity’s sake. The benefactors are the usual suspects. It’s nice that $150 million can be thrown around like chump change when people are starving and losing their literal futures…..everywhere, including the U.S.

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Feb 18 2011 21:05 utc | 5

Meanwhile, there were big pro-government demonstrations in Tehran today. But–surprise, surprise–there was virtually no coverage in the Western media. Nor was there much coverage of widespread protests in Iraq, where 5 people got killed.
Looks like the wave of discontent that Obama is trying to ride into Iran just crashed on the shore.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/18-02-2011/116938-us_media-0/

Posted by: JohnH | Feb 18 2011 22:07 utc | 6

It would be good to be wrong, but it is unlikely that any of the other public protests or ‘revolutions’ in North Africa & the ME will be successful.
Two things dictate that. The first is more powerful than the second reason which could end up being the ingredient which sufficiently mitigates the first to allow some success in another Arab state. That is less likely than it being a factor in preventing change but it is still possible.
The reason the US has created a system whereby military tactics and weapons platforms are drastically changed every few years didn’t start off being an ingenious ploy to keep feeding tax revenue to the rich.
The process began as a natural consequence of the old saw about not being able to win a new battle using the same tactics which won the last fight.
This is simple stuff as a tactic shows success, the opponent researches and develops the best way to counter it. The Egyptian Army and its US supporters had a devil of a job getting Mubarak out of his palace and they had no chance of getting him on an airplane to anywhere, after Mubarak Inc discovered how Ben Ali had been tricked. Initially the Egyptian counter revolution pulled all sorts of interesting tricks out of its kit-bag to defeat the protesters. Many of them such as the use of battalgi and crims seemed initially effective to outsiders, but Egyptians had seen them all before and the protesters had developed counters to all the known tactics. That had wrong footed the Mubarakists while it gave Egyptians who had been too terrified to join in up until then, the courage to come out in real number.
As many have since learned the Egyptian protests had been developed over a period of some years. The fall in Tunisia was just a catalyst it wasn’t the flame which started the reaction.
Most of the other Arab nations in revolt just don’t have the history or organization which the Egyptian movement had. This means that they are pretty much stuck with aping the tactics the Egyptians used, but they don’t have well seasoned leadership able to answer the tactics of the counter revolution, especially when the counter revolution does something ‘off the wall’ that hasn’t been tried and answered in Egypt.
Whatever Obama is telling “the People of the Mid East” whatever generalization he uses to describe a multitude of different people, Obama’s generals and intelligence analysts will be working hard with the likes of Juan Cole and other tame ME advisers drafting up tactics they believe will counter the ‘Arab revolution’.
Some will fail, laughably so, but some will be nasty, brutish and subtle and may succeed. The only rule will be “US fingerprints must not be left at the scene”. Everything else is OK, anything that will break this cycle in the short term without implicating USA, no matter how inhumane or long term debilitating, will be tried if it is believed to have the faintest chance of success.
The real horror stories are coming from two spots each at the opposite end of what the US calls the ME. At the opposite end geographically and of the US friendship/hegemony.
In the left corner is Libya, the most maligned Arab State on the planet and in the right corner is one of the US’ best ‘friends’ the plucky little Bahrain as imperial consuls inevitably refer to the worst blot on the US record of trading the rights of a nation’s citizens for the right of the US to do as it pleases in a foreign land.
This brings us to the second major reason why the revolutions are more likely than not to be unsuccessful. None of the other states where protest is running hot, have a similar demography to Egypt’s. Worst of all none of them have anything like the social cohesiveness of Egypt.
Lets start with Bahrain. At the moment (get it while it lasts) there is an extremely accurate and objective history of Bahrain at Wikipedia.
It seems impenetrable because there is a lot of information with very little of the anecdotal stuff most of us find essential to help history slip past the filters,. When you read it you will discover a couple of things. That Bahrain has been a major player in the power struggles of the Gulf, sometimes the supreme leader. It hasn’t always been an insignificant island state. From time to time Bahrain’s leaders have used their unique strategic position to ensure dominance. Just the Qarmatians’ story could make a half dozen original blockbuster novels, movies or vid games. The other important thing to learn about Bahrain is that the last few centuries of the second millennium were not kind to Bahrain. The island state had been reduced to the sort of poverty that made it only suitable for the people who are always left at the bottom of the Arab shit-pile, the Shia.
Bahrain had become the butt of power struggle humor. The place that clans invaded when they needed to assert themselves but couldn’t win a decent war against leading clans. By the early 19Th century there had been a procession of assholes invading taking control and then after being ruined by the hopelessness of Bahrain’s situation, they would have become sufficiently weakened to be invaded by the next clan which wanted to prove itself.
In the 1780’s the Al Khalif clan, a Sunni tribe from Qatar who ruled most of Southern Persia took control of Bahrain off the Al-Madhkur clan, originally from Oman. By 1820 when the english were organizing their naval then military, then colonial dominance of the gulf, the Al Khalifa’s were probably due. Omanis and the Al Sauds had both tried to take over, so they were due all right. Due to get kicked out that is. That didn’t suit the english though who had designs on Arabia and who saw the necessity of protecting Arabia’s eastern flank, having a great harbor to rn’r their boats and the the famous english tradition of divide and rule ensure a Sunni who may even ally with the Sunnis in control of Saudi. Especially if Al Khalifa ensured the Shia in eastern Saudi didn’t get support from Shia in Bahrain to cause trouble on the Arabian peninsular.
This complex treaty which had to cope with the Ottoman Empires hegemony and skirted it neatly has lasted. It ‘officially’ ended in 1968 when the english officially pulled out of the Gulf but it had major revisions especially the post WW2 changes in 1951 that brought the US explicitly into the deal. The basis of the treaty which became known as the “Perpetual Truce of Peace and Friendship” has always been the promise by USuk (formerly known as england) to “to support the rule of the Al Khalifa in Bahrain”.
I have been too busy with work to watch Al Jazeera but I would not be surprised to discover that media outlet less supportive of the protesters of Bahrain. I did catch the Foreign Ministers Thursday press conference where a Bahraini journalist chastised the government for its actions against the protesters. She maintained that this was not a sectarian issue. As Bahrain has developed, there has been a growth in the number of Sunni Bahrainis, yet many of these citizens do not belong to the political elite. They have also joined in the struggle which makes it tough to sell this as a ‘persian takeover’.
If the US let the Al Khalifas fall it would tell the Al Thanis of Qatar, that their guarantees were no good. The english had a similar treaty with the Al Khalifa’s for Qatar as they did for Bahrain but in 1868 they did a deal which promised the Al Khalifa’s a sinecure in return for a takeover of the king’s job by the Al Thanis. The ‘guaranteed sinecure’ was quenched by the Ottomans after a short period.
You couldn’t dream some of this stuff up. It is important to note however than western interference has held most of the eastern Arabian communities in stasis for nearly 200 years. The ebb and flow of regular change of royal houses did at least ensure that there were some changes to the society, particularly where there had been egregious wrongs. The new rulers would right those wrongs to appease the population. Right before they wronged them. But Arabs haven’t even had that for nigh on two centuries. No wonder they are mad.
As well as Al Thanis in Qatar, there are the Al Sabah clan in Kuwait where this has been posted, who would get very nervous and there is the big one, the one that few in the media anywhere in the world have mentioned as a possible revolution – the Al Saud clan who were so vain they named the home of mecca after themselves, Saudi Arabia. The nation the US must ensure never gains political freedom if the US intends to stand by its claim that the american way of life is non-negotiable.
Bahrainis deserve their freedom. Probably more than any other people in the entire ME region. But they won’t get it. Not while the US has a president whose asshole is facing the ground.
If Bahrainis can stay brave, we can expect that the next move by US/Al Khalifa will be to constrain the flow of information out of the island. Al Jazeera will most likely do as it is told. Any substantial media outlet that does not will be courting a missile through their hotel window . Maybe it will be more subtle this time and will be something more effective but quieter such as the old thallium in the office milk trick.
So lets go west and consider Libya. This one is personally painful. Muammar al-Gaddafi may not have been great for some of the citizens of Libya, but he provided a much needed bulwark against US and Soviet imperialism, and he supported resistance movements in Europe & Asia at a time when no one else would.
Anyone who has had a snail mail letter from Libya should know the thrill one gets from reading the envelope whose cover is frequently plastered with english quotations from the Green Book and the stamps repeat the socialist imprecations in Arabic.
These little sayings are always humanist and can set the mind off on a philosophic excursion not unlike 12 steppers little books of meditations. Who could disagree with:

“The freedom of a human being is lacking if his or her needs are controlled by others, for
need may lead to the enslavement of one person by another. Furthermore, exploitation is
caused by need. Need is an intrinsic problem and conflict is initiated by the control of
one’s needs by another.

However the Ghadaffi regime has always suffered from the belief that Ghadaffi favors his own clan. Benghazi and its surrounding area has population comprised of the Sa’ada tribe (sub-tribes are Awaqir and Barghathi), which was also the tribe of the royal family deposed by Ghadaffi’s revolution. Ghadaffi has always been vulnerable to traditional Arab tribalism because he comes from a small unconnected tribe, and he found it necessary to be publicly sworn fealty by larger tribes. In 1993 the leader of the Bani Walid tribe swore just such an oath of loyalty to Ghaddafi, following unrest which had been stirred up by shortages due to the Lockerbie sanctions.
Some sources have alleged Bani Walid are at the forefront of the protests now.
Even so that tribalist culture which gives shape to the protests is also the revolution’s major handicap. It is difficult to conceive of the unity that a revolution needs growing out of tribalist dissension. Ghadaffi retains support Tripoli and further west.
Lets hope he institutes the reforms he has failed to deliver on now, because the alternative is a great deal of blood lost on all sides.

Posted by: UreKismet | Feb 19 2011 0:44 utc | 7

sorry it got messed. The blog won’t take any more links even in a different post.
Here is the end.
The Ghadaffi regime has always suffered from the belief that Ghadaffi favors his own clan. Benghazi and its surrounding area has population comprised of the Sa’ada tribe (sub-tribes are Awaqir and Barghathi), which was also the tribe of the royal family deposed by Ghadaffi’s revolution. Ghadaffi has always been vulnerable to traditional Arab tribalism because he comes from a small unconnected tribe, and he found it necessary to be publicly sworn fealty by larger tribes. In 1993 the leader of the Bani Walid tribe swore just such an oath of loyalty to Ghaddafi, following unrest which had been stirred up by shortages due to the Lockerbie sanctions.
Some sources have alleged Bani Walid are at the forefront of the protests now.
Even so that tribalist culture which gives shape to the protests is also the revolution’s major handicap. It is difficult to conceive of the unity that a revolution needs growing out of tribalist dissension. Ghadaffi retains support Tripoli and further west.
Lets hope he institutes the reforms he has failed to deliver on now, because the alternative is a great deal of blood lost on all sides.

Posted by: UreKismet | Feb 19 2011 0:54 utc | 8

thanky you, urukismet, having tired of nonsensical narratives of slothrop, it is a pleasure to read your informed posts tho i disagree on a few points
i would like to write or read a post on how in this mast decade, perhaps longer – there has been a development of a front which is directly connected to american contempt & american crimes & what we are witnessing is a form of synthesis of that front

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 19 2011 2:04 utc | 9

I’ll take urekismet/debs at face value.
I guess, on the left, the argument boils down to (on this blog, ironically edited by a reluctant rightwing libertarian) a meaningless internecine fight between a species of euro-leftists and brit-empire outliers who have made the hallmark of their historic-based worldview the US as the perpetuum mobile of oppression. In this argument, the whole tradition of ruthless crit of capitalist domination is aggressively ejected.
I guess I’m a bit of a structuralist Marxist. I don’t know what you are, but you uncannily share a philosophy repeated by our neoconservatives.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 19 2011 4:27 utc | 10

“perpetuum mobile of oppression”…One could laugh oneself to death, meditating on such a coy expression.
In El Mazote, in El Salvador, the well trained lickspittles of Yankee Imperialism exterminated every living thing, in the up-close and personal sort of way: babes and the elderly, including everything that once drew breath. Men, women, children, domestic animals, and pets. Oh what a silence there was, then!
The US Empire is leaving in its wake such a tangled field of debris, broken people, and corpses. It’s sort of hard to ignore the structure of an empire, as it drags its bad karma home. It’s a violent and deeply disturbed culture. It’s become a thoroughly militarized society.
And the elites who crow about patriotism, and who are so sentimental our troops, are themselves social predators, sociopaths, and tax evaders. It’s all in the mode of classical late-stage empire. One would have to be blind not to see; the sheer mechanism is gargantuan, the logistics and armed forces are sucking the guts out of the society.

Posted by: Copeland | Feb 19 2011 5:53 utc | 11

I meant to write ” elites…who are so sentimental about our troops”

Posted by: Copeland | Feb 19 2011 5:56 utc | 12

ALERT. RADICAL VIDEO
From Angry Arab News Service

Zionists who are freaking out, may freak out even more.
For those who say that there are no foreign policy goals for Egyptian protesters, you need to watch this. In it, Egyptians (more than 2 million today) in Tahrir Square chant: “To Jerusalem we are heading, Martyrs in the millions.” (Yes, it rhymes in Arabic)

Posted by: annie | Feb 19 2011 6:07 utc | 13

@#15
Fucking A, annie, thanks for that;it was a sight to behold…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 19 2011 7:07 utc | 14

Warning this video is brutal…
Bahrain’s army deliberately kills peaceful protesters with live rounds ( automatic weapon )

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 19 2011 7:19 utc | 15

Check out the aljazeera english site http://english.aljazeera.net and you’ll see that Bahrain barely cops a mention. Libya is the country AJ is ‘featuring’ despite others sources (CCTV china and BBC england) alleging that it is Bahrain which is killing people in the streets.
There is an AJ blog which is giving some good coverage, but it isn’t obviously accesible.
UAE and current Sharjah big kahuna Sultan Al Qassemi has an interesting column on the AJ site. If you were wondering about AJ’s support of the egyptian revolution Al Qassemi says:
“Qatar was perhaps the only Gulf state that was happy to see the end of the Mubarak regime. After all, Egyptian born anti-Mubarak religious scholar Sheikh Yousef Al Qaradawi, considered to be amongst the most influential Islamic scholars and highly regarded by the Qatari Emir himself, now serves as Dean of Islamic Studies at the University of Qatar.
Sheikh Al Qaradawi has been instrumental through his sermons – and Al Jazeera Arabic – in encouraging Egyptians to revolt against the Mubarak regime.”

Slothrop if you want to debate what I write fine present your arguments & I will counter them if I want/can, but name calling is best saved for the gatherings of bitter old trotskyists that specialise in gossip and innuendo. “Oooh he’s a counter revolutionary!” or “I wouldn’t listen to him – he went very quiet during Prague 1968”
Endless categorisation of people with no objective analysis of what they are doing or saying. Man at his worst.
Words for talkers not doers. Always negative and disparaging because change is no longer the objective -gossip and point scoring is. no one outside the tight little clique of mutual admiration can be countenanced.
Go right ahead if you must but don’t expect a further response. life is too short to be wasting time in boring arguments that neither inform nor improve.

Posted by: UreKismet | Feb 19 2011 9:04 utc | 16

the arab masses are unbelievable in their courage, their ingenuity, their ability to connect the local & global, like the latin american masses in the 90’s the reveal to us what a real community comports itself
each day something that is full of wonder
when a people, whether they be latin americans, or from the middle east are treated with hate & contempt for so long – their breath becomes beautiful, refined, revelatory
what cannot be taken from these movements are their incredible humanity – theoreticians & strategists seem to understand nothing about them
one of the grande experts in france monsieur sfeire is having to make his mea culpa for his lack of understanding, for his poverty of thinking
mea culpa

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 19 2011 15:56 utc | 17

in darker moments urekismet i think the whole thing is a cia operation but then, rather quickly i look at their operational incompetence outside the fields of just massacring people & know brutally that they are not capable of such an exercise – that what i am witnessing in my twilight years is a revolution(s) – surely of widely different character in each country but a revolution, nonetheless
i take yr point tho re libya & as noted by you & angryarab – aje canny in their coverage of the revolt in libya more than that of bahrain – but in their defence i think it has taken them by surprise too

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 19 2011 16:13 utc | 18

Not watching AJE at the moment but the Live blog from Bahrein has more information than that or Libya though that’s obvioulsy because there is no journalist of any kind on Libya and everything is rumor and unconfirmed information via phone or twitter (and those not likely from Libya). Watching for a while yesterday I didn’t sense like they were trying to hide what it’s happening in Bahrain. AngryArab seems to suggest that AlJazeera Arabic may be more coerced to avoid talking about Bahrain.
I thought at first that the protests in Bahrain would be fruitless but it seems the brutal, and very stupid, response from the government has completely backfired. It’s not very wise in this day and age to openly shot at unarmed protesters when anyone can film what’s happening and spread it through the world. And of course the courage of the protesters that haven’t been deterred by the brutal repression. Strikes, which could hurt the economy and don’t require people risking their lives on the street, have been called and that looks like a more viable long term strategy in these conditions. Nevertheless the government has been forced to remove the army from the streets and put back riot police, which can now be overwhelmed by mass protests.
I find very difficult to determine what is really happening in Libya and what will be the outcome. The english information in Twitter is contradictory and clearly biased. UreKismet description about the limited backing from the eastern region to Gaddafi is the most illuminating information I have read so far. That revolt will likely play just on internal issues with very little external influence and we may not even know what happens until it ends or sometime after.

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 19 2011 16:47 utc | 19

ThePaper. I am sure that you are right and UreKismet (with whose message to slothrop I am entirely in agreement) is being a little pessimistic.
The situation in Bahrain is “changed utterly” There can be no going back. Whatever happens in the next few days the regime is doomed. And that has very large implications for the mainland neighbours.
So far as the Empire is concerned it is an interesting aspect of this revolution that it casts light on the relations between the US and its euro-satraps. In Tunisia and marginally in Egypt, the role of France as mid-management in the organisation was clear. And it reminded us of how the Empire relies on France elsewhere in Africa. In the Ivory Coast for example.
Bahrain casts the same light on Britain where the Amir went to Sandhurst Military Academy (as did Abdullah of Jordan) and became integrated into the British establishment. Which reminds us that Britain’s arm industry (which is just about the last industry in Britain) would be dead without Saudi and Gulf orders, while British ‘security’ companies(mercenaries) are also heavily dependent upon the Arab world requiring to be locked up and terrorised to ensure Israel’s safety as it expands.
The Arab Revolution is aimed at the weakest links in the Imperial chain. Almost coincident with similar movements in Latin America they represent the biggest crisis this US Empire has faced since the early years of the Cold War.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 19 2011 18:07 utc | 20

From Le Temps, 17.2.2011 (no link: fr, paywall)
i know absolutely nothing about described events, just a summary. my additions are in brackets.
topic: alleged proximate cause of the demos in Lybia.
In June 2006, more than 1,200 inmates of prison Abu Salim, Tripoli, were massacred, in the space of a few hours, in circumstances that have never been elucidated.
Fethi Tarbel, lawyer, is well known in Lybia, as he is the coordinator of the various bodies and individuals who represent the families of the victims. For weeks he had been in discussion with Abdallah Senoussi, high up responsible for security (and Kadahfi bro-in-law), attempting to negotiate (what the article does not say.) Some disagreement ensued, and Tarbel was arrested. – He was released in less than a day.
The Benghazi families (see Ure Kismet at 7- 8) of victims immediately went out into the streets, about 1,500 ppl. They were dispersed with water cannons and rubber bullets, two people died (unconfirmed), 38 wounded in hospital, and some arrests.
Other article:
One half hour after Mubarak’s departure, the Swiss announced they would ‘block the accounts’ of Mubarak, his family, high officials. They had established a list (obviously at least a week in advance.) To glorious praise in Egypt, Switzerland is a Great Country, hooray!
Monday or Tueday, the Egyptian authorities transmitted a list of individuals whose monies they desire to block and have returned – to the EU, CH, and the US. The list is very detailed, even includes a minor child.
Mubarak and his close family ARE NOT ON IT.
my comment: The sum of 70 or so billion that Mubarak and his clan allegedly amassed was wafted by the Guardian, and seems to me entirely made up and fanciful, far too large. The Guardian moreover is not known for its grasp of numbers. I very much doubt that any consequent sums will be found in CH – son Gamal trained at Bank of America – and whatever is discovered will have been left on purpose, as a sort of sop, a minor treasure that will halt other procedures.
In this matter, everybody is pretending and playing a political-financial game, and the Swiss seem willing to take on two roles – ‘haven for tax evaders and dictators’ plus ‘good cop’, thus cleverly conforming to the stereotype, shielding others, and gathering Brownie Points from the US. The losers will be the Egyptian ppl, it is all utterly disgraceful.
To date, maybe early days yet, the hunt for Ben Ali funds in CH has turned up a few million.

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 19 2011 18:10 utc | 21

samir amin opposes slothrop’s thesis on absence of empire

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 19 2011 20:11 utc | 22

i think a little close reading is required

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 19 2011 20:28 utc | 23

annie, anyone…
I have tried to send an email to As’ad AbuKhalil, using addy on his website… but I get a message from yahoo saying that address is not correct… I wanted to thank him for all he does, then he posted today that his brother in Lebanon has died, and now I want very much to email him. anybody?

Posted by: crone | Feb 19 2011 20:48 utc | 24

remembereringgiap, your link at 23 is not working

Posted by: crone | Feb 19 2011 20:51 utc | 25

crone, hope this works, it is in german & in pdf
i noticed that too with angry arab – but the email on his site used to work because we had a conversation about al hakim dr habbash perhaps more than a year ago

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 19 2011 21:05 utc | 26

crone
try this
aabukhalil@csustan.edu

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 19 2011 21:12 utc | 27

Whatever is happening in Libya we won’t know about it from traditional media. They are mostly parroting what it’s on the net or from phone calls to people in Libya. I’m mostly reading through tweets (and this almost my first time using Twitter) and seeing dozens of videos on YouTube. Not sure where from all comes from.
I’m not sure if this mapwas linked here. The latest is that protests are spreading to Tripoli and other western cities.
AngryArab posted something last week that the Libyans hate Gaddafi and his fall would be fast and bloody. It’s very unfortunate the lose of his brother on this day. The mail on his blog site looks like his university mail account: aabukhlil@csustan.edu. Not sure why Yahoo would return an error, perhaps it’s no longer valid. We could try to search his name on the university site. He also has a private Twitter account (mostly in arab).

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 19 2011 21:14 utc | 28

This is his university profile and the mail address is the same: aabukhalil@csustan.edu.

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 19 2011 21:24 utc | 29

The interview with Amin confirms what I said. The only bit I don’t agree with is the last part in which the US and Israel are alone. Obviously, Europe plays its usual pusillanimous role of support for the status quo.
You’ll notice that he says the Muslim brotherhood accepts actually existing capitalist social relations.that’s interesting.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 19 2011 21:36 utc | 30

The interview with Amin confirms what I said. The only bit I don’t agree with is the last part in which the US and Israel are alone. Obviously, Europe plays its usual pusillanimous role of support for the status quo.
You’ll notice that he says the Muslim brotherhood accepts actually existing capitalist social relations.that’s interesting.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 19 2011 21:36 utc | 31

slothrop, shut up

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 19 2011 21:40 utc | 32

You have no business analyzing social phenomena. Have you thought about returning to heroin?

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 19 2011 21:45 utc | 33

From the Amin interview:

These are social revolts which can potentially lead to a crystallization of alternatives, which in the long run may become part of a socialist perspective. That is why the capitalist system, capital monopolies on a global scale, can not tolerate the development of these movements. It will mobilize all possible means of destabilization, economic and finance pressure, going as far as to military threats. It will support, as it finds appropriate, either bogus fascist or fascistic alternatives, or the establishment of military dictatorships. Do not believe a word of what Obama said. Obama is Bush, but with a different language.

To be sure, Amin does not/never has stupidly conflated “US” w/ “global capitalism” in some kind of exclusive working order of the universe.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 19 2011 21:50 utc | 34

if you knew something, it might be interesting
but you don’t
so it’s not

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 19 2011 21:59 utc | 35

it’s a fine post, Debs. But, it seems that the view you share with others here that these revolutions are confined to countries whose dictators are supported by the US, is just false. It seems to me this means something. And I am also willing to learn more about the particularized orientation of the protests — that is, each country, as one would expect, has its own unique set of problems.
what’s so far seems to be a general trend is that the neoliberal global economic order is far less threatened by these disparate revolutions than is Israel. While it’s a good thing that Israel will face more challenges, it’s also one of the most paranoid countries on the planet. That’s scary. So scary, we should be glad that the economic integration of these countries into the neoliberal global scam seems to be largely unopposed by protesters, because the integration may mitigate the possibility of holocaustal violence.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 20 2011 0:02 utc | 36

it’s a fine post, Debs. But, it seems that the view you share with others here that these revolutions are confined to countries whose dictators are supported by the US, is just false. It seems to me this means something. And I am also willing to learn more about the particularized orientation of the protests — that is, each country, as one would expect, has its own unique set of problems.
what’s so far seems to be a general trend is that the neoliberal global economic order is far less threatened by these disparate revolutions than is Israel. While it’s a good thing that Israel will face more challenges, it’s also one of the most paranoid countries on the planet. That’s scary. So scary, we should be glad that the economic integration of these countries into the neoliberal global scam seems to be largely unopposed by protesters, because the integration may mitigate the possibility of holocaustal violence.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 20 2011 0:02 utc | 37

I suppose everyone already knows but thought I would provide a couple of links regarding the US interests in Bahrain. From the US State Department and this from Global security
the US is in there deep and I doubt that a few thousand dead protesters will change anything. those boys are f^cked. they can look toward the Palestinians and expect the same support as they receive, in other words, some nice talk from the usual suspects but nothing concrete. it would most likely be considered an act of war toward the US should anyone openly support the rebellion in Bahrain.

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 20 2011 0:22 utc | 38

thanks dan

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 20 2011 1:25 utc | 39

one of the countries experiencing demonstrations that will be worth keeping an eye on is djibouti, home of the largest military bases on the african continent for both france & the united states, as the center of AFRICOM’s operations in the region. feeling quite confident with that type of backing, the president, ismail omar guelleh, went ahead and, despite very vocal public outrage, changed the constitution last year to allow himself to run for an unprecedented third six-yr term this year. obviously that didn’t go down very well w/ anybody outside a small clique in the ruling party and there have been a number of protests lately, taking inspiration from the models of tunisia & egypt. there’s not a whole lot of media coverage in djibouti – reports have the country denying entry to foreign journalists this week – but there has been a crackdown on the protests and opposition parties and a number of deaths. it sounds like the situation is going to get hotter there as the election draws nearer. no doubt the foreign countries w/ vested interests in the “stability” of this strategic nation in the horn of africa are taking active positions in these matters. ethiopia’s regime has also invested a great deal in guelleh himself.
in a moment just dripping w/ delicious irony, during an interview earlier this month w/ the UN’s IRIN website, guelleh made the following remark wrt somalia

We have invested a lot of time and resources to try and get [Somalia] out of the situation it is in. At the moment, I cannot honestly point to anything that I can say `If this is done, Somalia will regain its honor, dignity in the world.’ I just don’t know what the cure is.
We tried everything. The only thing left is perhaps a Tunisia-like uprising by the people. Maybe Somalia needs to tell these people: `We are fed up. Go away, we don’t want you.’

Posted by: b real | Feb 20 2011 5:09 utc | 40

Amin interview. // some expansion //
Good on pointing to the Muslim Brotherhood (or similar, affiliated, etc.) as a political force.
The designated enemy who is used as an instrument: as a bogey man, as a minor active actor with splash, or as some kind of passive, illusory, threat, thereby finding its place, status and funding by submissively playing its designated role.
The religious and more generally traditionalist cultural aspects are exploited by both sides and thus contribute to various forms of oppression.
From the religious end by offering spiritual comfort (creative words fail me here as I am not religious), social aid that is based on community and ‘face to face’, on the relationship between beggars or the needy, and the magnanimous giving mediated by some higher worshipful cosmic force, conferring more than thanks and return to the giver than would take place in a secular exchange. As well as judicial opinions that at least put an end to family or very local conflict (say.)
Note, many of the regimes under discussion now – Kings, Dear Leaders, Despots and the like – offer sops in a similar scheme; Kadahfi cares about the people because he has cut food prices in half.
From the PTB end, scapegoating of a foe who is traditionalist, retrograde, not suited to modernity, economic development, the free market, etc. which enables their agenda.
Missing is that remaining oil reserves are overwhelmingly in ‘muslim’ countries, that hydrocarbons are the life force of the planet. Therefore, both the regimes in these areas, the top dogs, and their traditionalist or religious societal strands, have acquired tremendous influence and clout which they exploit as best they can, in a macabre pantomime, a covertly cooperative dance. The curse of black gold.
All supervised by the, for now, dominating powers – US, out of country statelet, Isr, and the yapping poodle EU. Others co-opted, towing the line because of personal interests of the upper strata, e.g. Saudi.

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 20 2011 16:07 utc | 41

the yapping poodle EU
I think this is the point that our friend slothrop fails to get. He has this idea that Europe (whatever that is) has total control over its internal affairs. that is simply not realistic.
yes, natural resources are indeed a curse. if you don’t have them you can live without a lot of outside interference but you are poor. if you have them, others will do everything possible to take them away from you leaving you in a bad way too.

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 20 2011 17:23 utc | 42

but dan you don’t understand slothrops central thesis, it is the venality of retired french & german postal workers who are directing finance capital & whom are the real actors in the use of armed force against the oppressed of this world. on the other hand, the empireless u s is the honest broker who tries to eal deals between this & that warring party
we here of course are so dumb, so unintelligent we do not understand the subtilité of slothrop’s sophism – we are ignorant of the great humanism that informs u s foreign policy & we are completely blind to the fact that the armed force the u s used is in the benefit of all especially those it is used against
we just have to read the right book feller, or except a postion poste haste with john bolton at the american enterprise institute

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 20 2011 18:02 utc | 43

remembereringgiap at 26
thank you for the link… I used google translator. Very interesting article. I would not mind reading more about this.

Posted by: crone | Feb 20 2011 21:48 utc | 44

@ r’giap re Slothrop and John Bolton.
I think I will buy a bad hairpiece. I don’t need it but it should get me into the club since that is Bolton’s signature. perhaps if I can look like a neocon, I can also behave as one.
it would be good to overcome the gag reflex and perhaps lose my sense of smell too before trying….

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 20 2011 22:39 utc | 45

that really is a funny piece of work in the pilger interview with bolton where you see the hairpiece visibly falling – it was impossible to ever take a word seriously from his fool mouth again

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 20 2011 22:55 utc | 46

FYI US hypocrisy:
Ray McGovern Bloodied at Clinton Talk
By Robert Parry
February 17, 2011
Sometimes the hypocrisy is just overwhelming. So, it probably shouldn’t surprise us that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would deliver a speech hailing the peaceful protests that changed Egypt while 71-year-old Ray McGovern was roughed up and dragged away for standing quietly in protest of her support for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
“So this is America,” said McGovern as he was hustled from the room by two security guards. “This is America.”

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/021711a.html

Posted by: brian | Feb 21 2011 1:09 utc | 47

Is Slothrop a zionist? he sounds like one..Who else is so keen on seeing Irans govt overturned and put in place a US /israel friendly puppet elite.

Posted by: brian | Feb 21 2011 1:13 utc | 48

found this at youTube – Samir Amin on Egypt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YbVI-Ne7yJY#at=11
remembereringgiap, thanks for introducing me to Amin – I had not read him before your post.

Posted by: crone | Feb 21 2011 3:14 utc | 49

Noirette at #41
don’t forget Japan…

Posted by: crone | Feb 21 2011 3:17 utc | 50

As for Samir Amin, I suggest his two-volume opus Accumulation on a World Scale. He, along with arrighi, wallerstein, frank, were the great “dependency theorists” who applied a world-systems approach to understand post-colonial capitalism. Amin is most noted for his elaborations on “unequal exchange.”
But, if you’re so job-addled, boorish maven of the “US is enemy of the mind” sectarian euro-trash cult, then you wouldn’t have read it.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 21 2011 3:30 utc | 51

“junk-addled”
an important correction

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 21 2011 3:32 utc | 52

Libya LIBYA! What the hell is going on there?!
Huge numbers killed but I think within hours a new Libya will be. The tide is turning quickly.

Posted by: Rick | Feb 21 2011 4:05 utc | 53

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/21/us-libya-protests-idUSTRE71G0A620110221

“One of the victims was obliterated after being hit by an RPG (rocket propelled grenade) to the abdomen,” he said.
Members of an army unit known as the “Thunderbolt” squad had brought wounded comrades to the hospital, he said. The soldiers said they had defected to the cause of the protesters and had fought and defeated Gaddafi’s elite guards.
“They are now saying that they have overpowered the Praetorian Guard and that they have joined the people’s revolt,” another man at the hospital, lawyer Mohamed al-Mana, told Reuters by telephone.

Posted by: Rick | Feb 21 2011 4:58 utc | 54

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110221/ap_on_re_af/af_libya_protests

Benghazi is “in a state of war,” said Mohamed Abdul-Rahman, a 42-year-old merchant who described how some protesters burned a police headquarters.
Protesters throwing firebombs and stones got on bulldozers and tried to storm a presidential compound from which troops had fired on the marchers, who included those carrying coffins of the dead from Saturday’s unrest in the eastern city, a witness said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of fears of reprisal. The attempt was repulsed by armed forces in the compound, according to the witness and the official JANA news agency, which said a number of attackers and solders were killed.
Later, however, a Benghazi resident said he received a telephone text message that an army battalion that appeared to be sympathetic to the demonstrators and led by a local officer was arriving to take over control of the compound, and urging civilians to get out of the way.
Abdul-Rahman, the local merchant, said he saw the battalion chase the pro-Gadhafi militia out of the compound.
In another key blow to Gadhafi, the Warfla tribe — the largest in Libya, has announced it is joining the protests, said Switzerland-based Libyan exile Fathi al-Warfali.

Posted by: Rick | Feb 21 2011 5:07 utc | 55

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/02/20112202148108558.html

While Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi attempted to put down protests centred in the eastern city of Benghazi against his four-decade rule, Al Jazeera began receiving eyewitness reports of “disturbances” in the capital Tripoli early on Monday as well.
There were reports of clashes between anti-government protesters and Gaddafi supporters around the Green Square.
“We are in Tripoli, there are chants [directed at Gaddafi]: ‘Where are you? Where are you? Come out if you’re a man,” a protester told Al Jazeera on the phone.
A resident told the Reuters news agency that he could hear gunshots in the streets and crowds of people.
“We’re inside the house and the lights are out. There are gunshots in the street,” the resident said by phone. “That’s what I hear, gunshots and people. I can’t go outside.”
An expatriate worker living in the Libyan capital told Reuters: “Some anti-government demonstrators are gathering in the residential complexes. The police are dispersing them. I can also see burning cars.”
There were also reports of protesters heading to Gaddafi’s compound in the city of Al-Zawia near Tripoli, with the intention of burning the building down.
Meanwhile the head of the Al-Zuwayya tribe in eastern Libya has threatened to cut off oil exports unless authorities stop what he called the “oppression of protesters”, the Warfala tribe, one of Libya’s biggest, has reportedly joined the anti-Gaddafi protests.
Speaking to Al Jazeera, Shaikh Faraj al Zuway said: “We will stop oil exports to Western countries within 24 hours” if the violence did not stop. The tribe lives south of Benghazi, which has seen the worst of the deadly violence in recent days.
Akram Al-Warfalli, a leading figure in the Al Warfalla tribe, one of Libya’s biggest, told the network: “We tell the brother (Gaddafi), well he’s no longer a brother, we tell him to leave the country.” The tribe lives south of Tripoli.
Protests have also reportedly broken out in other cities, including Bayda, Derna, Tobruk and Misrata – and anti-Gaddafi graffiti adorns the walls of several cities.
Anti-government protesters in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi have reportedly seized army vehicles and weapons amid worsening turmoil in the African nation.
A local witness said that a section of the troops had joined the protesters on Sunday as chaos swept the streets of the city, worst hit by the uprising against Muammar Gaddafi’s 42-year old rule.
Mohamed, a doctor from Al Jalaa hospital in Benghazi, confirmed to Al Jazeera that members of the military had sided with the protesters.
“We are still receiving serious injuries, I can confirm 13 deaths in our hospital. However, the good news is that people are cheering and celebrating outside after receiving news that the army is siding with the people,” he said.

Posted by: Rick | Feb 21 2011 5:30 utc | 56

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/02/20/2669783/libyan-city-falls-to-protests.html#ixzz1EZMTtFD4

Gadhafi’s youngest son, Saif Gadhafi, seemed to acknowledge in a rambling speech on state-run television that Benghazi and the nearby eastern city of Baida were no longer under government control.
“At this moment in time, tanks are driven about by civilians. In Baida, you have machine guns right in the middle of the city. Many arms have been stolen,” said Saif Gadhafi, who called the insurrection “a plot against Libya.”

Posted by: Rick | Feb 21 2011 5:47 utc | 57

http://twitter.com/ChangeInLibya

The sporadic and far gunfire I was hearing earlier from my house on outskrts of tripoli is now more like fireworks.. pls god end it well..
40 minutes ago via web

Posted by: Rick | Feb 21 2011 5:58 utc | 58

Considering all these “Revolutions” sprouting up concurrently, logic would dictate that the Market would take a dive as “Investors” scramble to cash out and protect there now increasingly risky holdings. Curiously enough, we don’t see that though, do we? Why would that be? Perhaps, it is because the Market is not so “free” afterall….but instead a carefully crafted rigged game. But for how long can this charade continue? The Emperor is down to its skivvies, and the Middle Class refuses to see its increasing nakedness as well as the carpet that is no longer beneath its feet….because it’s been pulled by the Emperor itself.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/70-all-stock-market-trades-are-held-average-11-seconds
I mention the Middle Class, because one of the things that keeps the “Middle Class” delusional is the maintenance of their retirement accounts which are wrapped up in The Market, which as stated above, is rigged. Once their retirement vanishes, things will get real interesting. Mississippi meets the Nile, perhaps. Surely the wanker strategists in the Pentagon have foreseen this possibility and have plans when it unfolds. I wonder what those plans are?

Posted by: Morocco Bama | Feb 21 2011 14:27 utc | 59

Just in! (Lebanese) Hezbollah is back in Iran oppressing the pacific ‘pro-democracy’ opposition.
In spanish.
Someone forgot to update the propaganda and disinformation manual from the 2009?

Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 21 2011 16:31 utc | 60

What’s going down in Libya is a CIA plot to weaken the resolve of the brave people to stand as one against America.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 21 2011 17:06 utc | 61

Let us hope that the democratically elected tyrants in Iran squash the Freedom House-bankrolled bourgeois whiners in Tehran.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 21 2011 17:08 utc | 62

Sanctions on Lybia were designed to get Kadhafi to bend in public (nuclear, Lockerbie, ‘terrorism’ – all actually rather trivial issues) and Kadhafi went along, to save himself, his regime. In this way the ‘west‘ maintained the economic arrangements.
Presto! He became respectable and set up his fantastic tent in Paris, had buddy meets with B-liar, had bunga-bunga parties with Berlusconi, etc. Now the EU is again semi stiff in condemnation, after the inevitable became stark.
Expect the usual suspects (not Israel or the US) to fly in and ‘support’ democracy. Cameron? Sark the first?
Maybe not Sark…The new French ambassador to Tunisia already has offended everyone on his first day and is facing demos. He is a sort of mini-Sark clone in looks but particularly speech and manners, content as well. His major point was that tourism must be maintained, it helps Tunisia, etc.
Employees in the big chain hotels, (e.g. run by Accor Gp, French conglomerates, etc.) earn a pittance, that 2 dollar a day is illustrated there, even as low as 60 euros a month!, are always on ‘temp’ contracts, don’t obtain their promised monies from contracts, e.g service charge of 12% to be returned equally to them, etc.
The whole economic world model is crumbling and cratering.

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 21 2011 17:31 utc | 63

noirette
“The whole economic world model is crumbling and cratering.”
yes it is

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 21 2011 17:40 utc | 64

yes rick.what is going on in Libya:
Libya arrests Arab ‘network’ for destabilising country
AFP, Feb 20, 2011, 05.21am IST
Read more: Libya arrests Arab ‘network’ for destabilising country – The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/Libya-arrests-Arab-network-for-destabilising-country/articleshow/7531509.cms#ixzz1Ed3nygnk
TRIPOLI: Libyan authorities have arrested dozens of members of a “network” of Arab nationals allegedly seeking to destabilise the country, the official Jana news agency reported Saturday.
Those detained in several Libyan cities were members of a “foreign network (and were) trained to damage Libya’s stability, the safety of its citizens and national unity.”
Sources close to the investigation, quoted by the agency, said the group included Tunisian, Egyptian, Sudanese, Palestinian, Syrian and Turkish citizens.
Those arrested were “charged with inciting acts of looting and sabotage, such as burning hospitals, banks, courts, prisons, police stations and offices of the military police, as well as public buildings and private properties, according to plans drawn up earlier,” Jana said.
Noting that “certain Libyan cities have been the scene of acts of sabotage and destruction since Tuesday,” Jana said the suspects sought to “take arms from police stations and the military police and use them.”
“Sources close to the investigation have not ruled out Israel being behind the network,” the news agency added, without providing details.
On the fifth day of an unprecedented challenge to his four-decade regime, Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi has still made no public comment, although he reportedly appeared at a mass rally of supporters in the capital on Thursday.
Human Rights Watch said security forces have killed more than 80 anti
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/Libya-arrests-Arab-network-for-destabilising-country/articleshow/7531509.cms

Posted by: brian | Feb 21 2011 22:06 utc | 65

are we seeing an eg of Creative destuction in Libya by unsee hands?

Posted by: brian | Feb 21 2011 22:06 utc | 66