Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 19, 2011
Max Boot Thinks Correcting An Obvious Error is Heroism

Max Boot is lauding U.S. Marines in Helmand province, Afghanistan:

It is impossible to offer enough praise or admiration for the grueling, dangerous patrols that these leathernecks are undertaking day in, day out. The Greatest Generation had nothing on them in terms of heroism — especially when one considers that all the Marines in Sangin are volunteers.

One problem with such over the top idolization is that the situation Boot refers to would not have happened if the Marines had not screwed up in the first place.

The NYT piece Boot references says:

Hemmed in at nearby Forward Operating Base Jackson at the beginning of their tour, the Marines of Company I fought fierce, almost daily battles through the months of October and November.

On Dec. 6, they fought their way up Route 611, blowing up scores of I.E.D.’s along the way and taking over an abandoned and booby-trapped British Army base, Patrol Base Bariolai, on a barren hilltop here.

The Marines are now reoccupying a patrol base which the British had used before. But why was the British base abandoned in the first place? That happened last year when the Marines took over in Helmand from the Brits:

[O]ne of the first things the Marines did when they took over Sangin was close roughly half the 22 patrol bases the British set up throughout the district — a clear rejection of the main pillar of Britain’s strategy, which was based on neighborhood policing tactics used in Northern Ireland.

The bases were meant to improve security in Sangin, but the British ended up allocating a large percentage of their soldiers to protect them from being overrun by the Taliban. That gave the insurgents almost total freedom of movement in the district.

“The fact that a lot of those patrol bases were closed down frees up maneuver forces so that you can go out and take the fight to the enemy,” Morris said during an interview at the battalion’s main base in the district center, Forward Operating Base Jackson.

At that time the British were not amused:

"We were all pretty pissed off when we heard," says a British veteran. "To say that we had no success is both ignorant and short-sighted. We were there for four years and we'd already tried what they are now trying, which is obviously not working judging by the casualties."

Just as US commanders questioned the effectiveness of British tactics in Sangin, so British soldiers have begun to challenge the wisdom of closing down the patrol bases they spilt blood to keep.

The bases were designed to protect Sangin's bazaar from Taliban attack and encourage economic development in the town. British officers believe the closures will allow the Taliban to move through the district undetected.

And that is indeed what happened. So the Marines screwed up by abandoning the British bases in the first place and they are now fighting to reoccupy them for just the same purpose the British used them for. From the NYT piece:

They sleep in the frigid cold and go weeks without showers, but they are keeping the nearby Taliban on the defensive.

The Marines can now patrol throughout the surrounding village every day, Sergeant Beckett said. And he has been encouraged by the increasing trust that local villagers are showing, sometimes offering the Marines information that has tipped them off to I.E.D.’s or potential ambushes.

This screwing up by not taking seriously lessons an ally learned has cost the live of Afghans and of Marines. The Marines are now correcting their own error and are losing more lives over it. These Marines ain't the "Greatest Generation, in Afghanistan" as Max Boot headlines. They are arrogant idiots.

Comments

anthony, hounshell tipped us off to his ideological mindframe @ FP right off the bat.
said he was writing a book on what he called the “Cheney-Bush years” and saw little difference between that period and the Obama administration.
putting cheney-bush in scare quotes? claiming there’s little difference between them and now? not so crazy if you ask me. claiming the renditions are still going on? what’s so nuts about that? military operating like a christian cult? not that far fetched.
He then alleged that Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who headed JSOC before briefly becoming the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, and his successor, Vice Adm. William McRaven, as well as many within JSOC, “are all members of, or at least supporters of, Knights of Malta.”
i don’t know anything about McRaven but McCrystal is a well know unabashed devout christian. he’s the darling of the crhistian right who want to pair him w/palin for a presidential run. from the rolling stones article:

“The entire COIN strategy is a fraud perpetuated on the American people,” says Douglas Macgregor, a retired colonel and leading critic of counterinsurgency who attended West Point with McChrystal. “The idea that we are going to spend a trillion dollars to reshape the culture of the Islamic world is utter nonsense.
In the end, however, McChrystal got almost exactly what he wanted.

he’s a fundie. they pray before missions. this is hardly controversial and lots has been written about the evangelicals in the top brass in the military.

Posted by: annie | Jan 19 2011 15:50 utc | 2

Fuck Max Boot and Seymour Hersh. It’s like good cop/bad cop. I think many at MOA have long come to the conclusion that Hersh is not what he seems. He is at best a useful idiot, at worse a disinfo agent. Max is a full fledged fascist…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 19 2011 16:01 utc | 3

I think many at MOA have long come to the conclusion that Hersh is not what he seems.
hmmm, i don’t always think he’s right but i think he’s what he seems. i don’t think he cares if they try to discredit him (they will cease trying, like helen) he speaks his mind and he’s been around the block long enough to know a thing or two. he’s got his contacts and they’re probably a little worn around the edges themselves. i imagine if you’re around long enough it skews ones outlook, permanently. hersh has been right much more than not. if he’s becoming jaded so be it.
nice to see ya around btw

Posted by: annie | Jan 19 2011 16:45 utc | 4

oh, and fuck max boot and the horse he road in on, that should go w/out saying.

Posted by: annie | Jan 19 2011 16:46 utc | 5

Anthony, I’m reminded of reading – in Legacy of Ashes? – that Wm Casey was most fired up against the ‘godless’ part of ‘godless communism’, and that the cold war was really a religious war.
Is such a hidden hand(s) likely?

Posted by: lambent1 | Jan 19 2011 17:09 utc | 6

Anthony, I’m reminded of reading – in Legacy of Ashes? – that Wm Casey was most fired up against the ‘godless’ part of ‘godless communism’, and that the cold war was really a religious war.
Is such a hidden hand(s) likely?

Posted by: lambent1 | Jan 19 2011 17:09 utc | 7

Casey allegedly being staunchly Catholic…

Posted by: lambent1 | Jan 19 2011 17:11 utc | 8

“…Max Boot and Seymour Hersh. It’s like good cop/bad cop.”

probably so… if your intent is to stay in the area until there’s not enough energy left in the middle east and central asia to export (30 or 40 years), you gotta stage these little dustups between the good cops and the bad cops once in a while.
one side says, “we’re making headway”, the other side says, “it’s a farce” and meanwhile, everything stays the same… stays the same, and grows to resemble vietnam more and more every day, as marines hole up in their little perimeters and go out on patrols to get their legs blown off by boobytraps.
dont see how they can keep the charade up for another 30 or 40 years, but maybe most of big wheels are more concerned with looting, anyhow… maybe the whole exercise is nothing more than cover for the looters.

Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 19 2011 17:13 utc | 9

meanwhile, the “good cop, bad cop” routine further polarizes the american public, which is a good thing.
the last thing any of these people want is for the american public to get its shit together enough to force the big wheels’ hand… which will eventually materialize as martial law.
much better to maintain the illusion of american democracy for as long as possible.

Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 19 2011 17:17 utc | 10

I think many at MOA have long come to the conclusion that Hersh is not what he seems. He is at best a useful idiot, at worse a disinfo agent.
Certainly not my conclusion. Hersh is one of the relicts of real investigative journalism. He is probably getting more outspoken now. Good.

Posted by: b | Jan 19 2011 19:32 utc | 11

Hersh is one of the relicts of real investigative journalism.
That’s bullshit, if there was ever any real journalists doing investigative journalism, they’d be killed as per our norm.
And I DON’T HAVE TIME NOR ENERGY TO GO BACK THROUGH the archives, but it was pretty clear that many of us decided Hersh wasn’t to be trusted in many matters not the least in which Scott Ritter was involved… But whatever. Trust him if you will. I wont.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 19 2011 22:29 utc | 12

it was pretty clear that many of us decided Hersh wasn’t to be trusted
whatever. i guess i wasn’t in that club.

Posted by: annie | Jan 20 2011 1:34 utc | 13

From the NYT piece:

Minutes later, the Marines detected warning signs along their path: uneven earth and scatterings of hay. Proceeding would very likely result in the wounding or death of a Marine. They attached an explosive charge to the wall of a compound and blasted a hole through, then took the shortcut back to their base.

Yup, “encouraged by the increasing trust that local villagers are showing”, the marines destroy the villagers’ village, for the sake of a “shortcut”.

Posted by: Frank | Jan 20 2011 5:22 utc | 14

That Hounsel article insults Hersh, in a snarky attempt at character assassination. Sure, the foreign policy man might just as well have said that Hersh is senile now, a dodgy old fellow, rambling on and on, about the conspiracy talk that smart people turn up their noses at.
There is no meat on the bones of that article; and it’s just a cheap hit piece that works to smear Hersh in a dishonest way. In the belly of the beast, down in the dark gurgling pit of it, as far into that abyss as you can go, Hersh takes his little candle. A man could lose himself down there and be destroyed, I guess, if he’s not careful, because the evil is bottomless.

Posted by: Copeland | Jan 20 2011 5:57 utc | 15

if hersh backed off from, say, his investigation of 9/11… well, who could blame him?
it’s either back off, or get an anthrax letter… another facet of the 9/11 operation that everyone’s mostly forgotten about.
“be the ‘good cop’ for us –within limitations, and you’ll prosper… but if you persist in digging into 9/11…”
nothing has to be said, but it’s all understood, it’s all part of the empire’s belief that they can “create their own reality”, and everybody plays along.
sticks and carrots

Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 20 2011 6:47 utc | 16

Sorry to arrive late to the FP Association party.
FWIW, I see Hersh’s work as useful, although it also seems clear that maintaining links to
useful sources puts one at the risk of being used by those very sources. Presumably Hersh is well aware
of such risks, as well as the other more serious ones mentioned by other contributors here.
The ability of the powerful to define the limits of the credible remains astonishing.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 20 2011 11:20 utc | 17

…rambling on and on, about the conspiracy talk that smart people turn up their noses at.

I wouldn’t think smart people would turn their noses-up at anything… I used to believe that most conspiracy theories were nothing more than crazy talk from crazy people, but it doesn’t take too much effort to realize the ‘crazy’ talk is truth and the ‘crazies’ are the ones who constantly and consistently buy the PTB’s bullshit explanations.
As the latest addition to the bar, flickervertigo says, 9/11 brings Hersh’s motivations right to the front and center…
Even our missing comrade, paviz_roma, could see that due to the number of miracles that happened on 9/11, all was not right in Rome. And I’m sure Uncle $cam could give anyone interested a list of conspiracies that seemed too farfetched to believe, but actually took place. Creepy shit like mind control (MKUltra) to a false flag attack during the ’60’s that would be blamed on the Cubans (Operation Northwoods)… the list is as long as the history of our country.
Yeah, smart people believe in conspiracies and people who just think they’re smart, well they hold their tea cups funny while talking thru their nose to each other (and down to the rest of us) and they’re the reason why the world is in such a damn mess. Cherrio, nudge–nudge, wink–wink and all that rot. ‘cuse me, ’cause I’ve got a meeting at the Mason Lodge to attend…
Peace

Posted by: DaveS | Jan 20 2011 13:22 utc | 18

Cia alumnus and professed conservative Phil Giraldi offers another “radical” essay which the gatekeepers at such bastions of American orthodoxy as FP would surely see as tainted by conspiracy theories. An interesting question is how it can be that such “inside players” as Phil Giraldi, Sy Hersh, Pat Lang, and Profs. Walt and Mearsheimer, as well as many more foreign policy experts can all hold and publicly expound positions which have much more in common with the views of those “outsiders” attempting to make a radical critique of U.S. policies than with the “politically correct” official policy as expressed by the USA’s elected leadership and its politically correct appointees. There seems to be a growing split (indeed a chasm) between the technically competent and the politically empowered. Unfortunately, there is no reason whatever to believe that this situation will be terminated as a result of rational decision making by either the electorate or the various elites jostling to retain control of foreign policy or wrest it from those now exercising that control.
What was Cassandra’s fate?

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 20 2011 14:14 utc | 19

“…Phil Giraldi offers another “radical” essay…”

yup, phil’s pretty “radical”, all right.
he’d no more question the official 9/11 conspiracy theory than he’d question the holocaust…
nevermind that the israeli americans and their fellow PNAC travelers admitted they needed “a new pearl harbor” just before they assumed positions from which they could make their “new pearl harbor” happen.
oh well… once you’ve abandoned your morals, whole new worlds of wondrous possibilities open up.

Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 20 2011 14:53 utc | 20

“…cassandra’s fate…

guess phil and the rest of the limited hangout folks dont want to be violently abducted and raped by Ajax the Lesser, or taken as concubines by King Agamemnon of Mycenae, or murdered by Clytemnestra and Aegisthus.
well, i can understand that

Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 20 2011 15:09 utc | 21

Here we go again, peeps allowing distractions based on the logical fallacy of: “conspiracy theory A which is denied by the institutions of the status quo, has been proven to be correct, ergo conspiracy theories b thru z must also be on the money” – to move attention away from the point which in this case is Seymour Hersh, a man whose journalism has got it completely right sometimes and wrong once or twice.
Ya see -most importantly Hersh retains credibility with some of those in positions of influence who haven’t been 100% suborned and he made a speech designed to alert those peeps to a reality many have been trying really hard to avoid. That is, that oblamblam is not a victim; he is not some honest black fellow whose best effort to make things better for amerikans has been foiled by the meanies in power. Rather that oblamblam is a paid-up, fully cognisant member of the “lets follow the amerikan dream by shitting on the weak to make myself strong”, crowd. His only interest in Africa is to screw as much of Africans resources outta the hands of Africans, and into the hands of amerikan engendered corporate capitalists, before they (the Africans) work out what is happening. In other words exactly the same as how oblamblam views everyone – including his “fellow amerikans”.
This message (the truth about oblamblam) isn’t news to most that drink at this bar, but it is to many amerikans, in particular the so-called left who have been assiduously attempting to avoid thinking such evil thoughts, by telling anyone who will listen, especially themselves, that thinking such unkind thoughts about oblamblam is racist.
Like Uncle I can remember some pronouncements by Hersh (Last one I think may have been about Iran but my memory doesn’t serve well on this) which appeared to be supportive of some imperial project, both in content and in timing. I’m not gonna debate that here and now, even if I can remember them because imo to do so would be to miss the point. Opponents of the empire don’t have a whole helluva a lot of tools at their disposal starting the second decade of the 21st century, so we should grab the ones that do become available, for at least as long as the tool is useful.
The assholes in charge have no compunction about using humanist loathing of racism against humanists, so we need to smarten our act up in situations where we can do so without compromising larger principles. If we don’t we may as well go back to grafittying the walls in our unlit cellars, because that will be about how much notice our efforts are likely to generate.
Instead of kicking Seymour and only then kicking bbbrrraaaack oblamblam, we should be using the text of the original Hersh speech to bring the pseudo-left onside.
There are any number of reasons why oblamblam losing in ’12 would be a better long term outcome for humanity & without going into the ins & outs of that, those who do accept that contention need to be working other humans now and not waiting till june ’12.
From some comments on the link we can see the bullshit the dem hacks intend to float next year.
The first is titled Sounds believable to me and rounds off a watering down of Hersh’s contention that the empire’s soldiers are evangelical xtians with the following cop out:

I would also say that Obama is unwilling to change Bush policies because he doesn’t want to pick a fight with the security establishment, but that’s just my suspicion.”

The next is prolly closer to the fantasies the party line intends using to deceive the majority of voters, that is the ‘short on facts so will accept anything that makes it sound as though they, i.e. amerika and by extension themselves, are the most decent peeps in the whole wide world crowd’, just by replacing rational thought with emotional tugs at the sensibilities with the following fantastic piece of demagoguery titled:
gobsmack credit due to Obama:

less than 2 years after the inauguration of President Obama , we see a very different Arab street, one where unarmed civilians, led by young people, ousted their autocratic leader of 23 years; an Arab street where I spotted a sign that said, in English YES WE CAN on one side, along w twitter # and on the other, in Arabic, thanks to al Jazeera for coverage of events. If that’s not change, what is?

/gobsmack.
(N.B. Anyone who may feel Obama policies/ strategies/ principles had anything at all to do with the success of stage 1 of the “strategy to liberate Tunisia” is advised to read ESAM AL-AMIN’s excellent piece The Fall of the West’s Little Dictator in today’s Counterpunch.)
I have no doubt that oblamblam and his employers/friends/confidantes, – the creepiest men in amerika, will take delight in deceiving their supporters with BS such as “oblamblam is the lone voice”. That Oblamblam is committed to secretly liberating Africa from those mean old dictators who got in power because of the endemic corruption and tribalism of African politics, which ‘decent’ amerikans are busy trying remedy. That any suggestion Ben Ali was an amerikan intelligence asset long before NATO put him into power, is frankly outrageous.
Anything Seymour Hersh says or writes that may help counter this outrageous meme should be grabbed with both hands, despite any reservations anyone feels about the author/speaker; simply because there just aren’t many people prepared to say this who the fuckwits still listen to.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 21 2011 1:09 utc | 22