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January 29, 2011
Jan 29 – Live Coverage Of Protests In Egypt

Some scenes and thoughts from watching AlJazeera live and other sources. Newest entry on top.

End of day comment:

Mubarak, after taking advice from Washington, has today installed three high militaries – Suleiman as VP,  Anan as second VP, Shafik as Premier Minister – as his follow on triumvirate. All three are well known and loved in Washington and Tel Aviv. Mubarak sent his children and their families to London. It seems Washington told him to get ready to step down if needed and, if he has to step down, to hand his military dictatorship over to Washington's selected officers. Washington may then later find or not find a better solution. 

Meantime Mubarak is trying to create chaos and fear by first pulling all police, even traffic police, from the streets for over 24 hours and then sending some of them back in civil cloth to loot and do other bad things. Some people who called AJ to report about looting seem to have been stooges supporting that strategy.

After the big win against the regime on Friday and the peaceful big demonstrations today the people are unlikely to accept these machination. The protests will continue.

The military has decided not to act against the people. That could change later, though I find it unlikely after seeing the ways the people and soldiers colaborated today.

ElBaradei is now nicely positioning himself as an interim leader within some temporary national unity government. That would be a good solution in my view.

—live blogging from today below in time reverse order—

Alexandria – some neighborhoods report no tap water

AJ just repeated the swearing in ceremony of Suleiman. After reading his oath, Suleiman gave a military(!) salute to Mubarak (both were in civil outfit).

AJ reports – Officials say NOTHING has been stolen from the "looted" museum [another hint towards a government "looting" strategy] – things have just been put on the ground and two mummies are damaged

19:00 GMT – 21:00 Cairo

Alexandria by phone – reporter has eyewitness reports of looters killed by civilians – some reported no tap water – residents chasing looters in the streets

AJ reporter – state TV claims some Muslim Bortherhood have been jailed for looting – reporter doesn't trust the report of MB looting — thinks it is government nati-MB campaign.

Steve Clemons of The Washington Note on Suleiman: Omar Suleiman: Egypt's Own George Mitchell

Egypt was selected by the Arab League to lead these talks — and Suleiman became the Egyptian "George Mitchell" for these unity efforts. Fatah and Hamas came close several times to a deal — but ultimately, the United States privately conveyed to Mubarak and to Suleiman that it didn't want to see the process succeed.

Suleiman, intel chief and now Egypt's VP, was America's proxy.

Cairo – Two vans with blue flashlights in Tahrir square – protestors let them pass – can not see if police or ambulances, but assume ambulances

Alexandria – by phone – protests ongoing – complete breakdown of law and order – young man with clubs and chains looting – people create civil patrols in their area to prevent looting – there was a protest march against him after announcement of Suleiman as VP

18:00 GMT – 20:00 Cairo

Alexandria – by phone – protesting people shouting against Suleiman – police has released thugs that are looting

Cairo – AJ reporter -  no police, security forces has been seen on the streets for 24 hours – reporter says that Interior Ministray has 1.2 million on its force – they just "melted away" – or are looting …

Baradei in Arabic on AJ – calls for system change – moving faces within the system not enough – wants new national government – Mubarak hasn't got the message – countries (U.S.) should recalculate – Baradei calls on the youth to protect Egypt and property and for the army to protect the people

Cairo AJ reporter says has been getting several reports from eyewitnesses – looters where caught and had government issued security service identification – other looters also described as security service people on motorcycle – reporter says same happened in Tunisia – sees regime intend to create chaos

Cairo live camera – people in Tahrir Square shouting slogans – still several thousand at least

The Angry Arab: The US is cooking in Egypt

Aljazeera is reporting that Egyptian Army's chief-of-staff, `Anan, who was in Washington, DC until yesterday, will be sworn in as the second vice-president of Egypt. The man (Mubarak) who always insisted that there is no need for a vice-president, now has two. The US is clearly trying to abort the change agenda of the Egyptian people but I doubt that the mass genie which is out of the bottle–how is that for a cliche?–will put up with that plot.

Mubarak's children reported to be in London now [rats … ship]

Cairo – View form AJ studio – pretty empty – a few cars, few people – Tahrir Square seems to get emptier

AJ: Military is reinforcingin  all areas to increase security everywhere

17:00 GMT – 19:00 Cairo

Suez – phone report – army starts to enforce curfew – without violence so far – throughout the day army did not intervene in looting says the reporter

Cairo live TV – about a quarter of the people in Tahrir Square bowing in neat rows for evening prayer

Baradei interview – people need real change – Mubarak has to go – wants a substantive transition from authoritarian to a democratic system 

[I get the feeling that this "we turn the program over now to our looting reporting phase" is somehow scripted]

Another caller to AlJazeera – whining loud about looting – waiting for police – no military there – but doesn't describe any looting he has witnessed himself – "they are coming from the poor areas" – says where he is there are civilians in the street guarding the shops and streets [so why does he whine?]

AJ now shows pictues from inside a museum that was a bit looted yesterday – later civilians protected the museum with a human chain -  military in museum now – looks like some, but small damage

Another caller on AlJazeerah – whining about looting – but has not seen any himself it seems [has U.S. slang in his English – likely a stooke in my view]

[Seems clear to me now that Suleiman is the U.S. selected person. Just replacing the dictator …]

WSJ

The king said protesters had been "exploited to spew out their hatred in destruction . . . inciting a malicious sedition,'' according to the statement, posted on the English website of the Saudi Press Agency.

[Looting could be government goons, setting the scene they need to denounce demonstraters. Could also be just normal criminals.]

AJ just had a call from another part of Cairo with reports of looting.

[That sounds like the U.S. accepts (selected) these folks but for PR reasons must push for some 'action' now]

Tweed from State spokesman Crowley

The #Egyptian government can't reshuffle the deck and then stand pat. President #Mubarak's words pledging reform must be followed by action.

[Still a military dictatorship with all top figures high rank military folks – bad move by Mubarak – he should have tried some civilians – but maybe Washington told him to stick with folks they know well]

Ahmed Shafik named new Prime Minister:

a fighter pilot who served as the commander of Egyptian Air Force from 1996–2002, and was nominated in 2002 to become the Egyptian Minister for Civil Aviation

[Suleiman/Soliman could be the selection of the higher military command – he is one of them]

Several analysts asked by AJ think the naming of Suleiman/Soliman VP will not be enough to stop the protests

16:00 GMT – 18:00 Cairo

Cairo – reporter – 8 prisoners have been killed in clashes with the police at a prison in Suz(?) – some vandalism, looting in a luxery shop street

Foreign Policy Review (now defunct) wrote (scroll down) about Suleiman in 2010:

A known quantity at the Pentagon, the CIA and State Department, Suleiman is also well respected in Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia—America’s most critical Middle Eastern allies. As the Obama administration struggles to restart Palestinian-Israeli peace talks and strengthen its anti-Iran coalition in the Middle East Suleiman’s diplomatic and intelligence background could prove to be a valuable asset.

Interview with NDP party speaker – "responding to the demand of people", "reform may not exchange faces", "Presdent can delegate to Vice Presdent" [or can not], "Mubarak is elected President" – calls people in the street "mob"

Cairo – Reporter says people in Tahrir Square already chant against Suleiman

Zainoba of Egyptian Chronicles wrote two years ago about Suleiman (also transliterated as Soliman):

I know that the West is seeing a candidate in Soliman because they consider Egypt as a Military police dictatorship and Soliman is a military contrary to GM and he is also an excellent diplomat with the foreign world ,still this is not enough.

Cairo live – now rows of people parying in the Tahrir Square

Alexandria – by phone – reporter says Suleiman was often seen but never heard – Egyptian can not judge his character – too loyal to Mubarak 

Wiki: Omar Suleiman:

Suleiman has acquired a more public profile while trying to broker a deal between the different armed Palestinian groups vying for power in Gaza as the top presidential envoy from President Hosni Mubarak as well as brokering deals or truces between the Palestinians and Israel. His perceived role in negotiations between Palestinian groups gave him the image of an effective behind-the-scenes figure in the Egyptian government as well as identifying him as potentially useful to foreign governments such those of the Arab countries, Israel, the Palestinians and the United States.

[Could that be the U.S. plan – a CIA stooge with good connections to Israel made VP, Mubarak steps back, VP becomes President?]

Intelligence chief Suleiman just made Vice President [the first VP in 30 years]

[the current AJ main talker is an annoying too fast talking agressive woman that asks the wrong questions]

Interview with some Muslim Brotherhood bigwig (Fotouh) – hopes for peaceful ower transfer – calls on people to stay  constrained – calls for Mubarak to setp down – wants national transition unity government – then new parliamentary election – points to U.S. and Saudi influence that keeps Mubarak going

Cairo – a M60 main battle tank loaded with protesters slowly crawling through the street

AJ reporter in Cairo says more people today in the streets than yesterday [my impression too]

[Yesterday AJ showed people praying in roes on the street – no such scene today. Does that mean that the Muslim Brotherhood, which did take part yesterday, is not on the street today?]

15:00 GMT – 17:00 Cairo

Cairo – an M113 armourd personal carrier driving through Tahrir Square with some 30 civilians standing on top of it

Cairo – AJ reporter talked with tank commander – has no heavy ammunition for the tank gun, only for personal AK47 assault rifle [very good news]

[Circular news: The AJ studio talker announced the three people dead "according to Reuters", Reuters writes on its website (live.reuters.com/Event/Unrest_in_Egypt) at 3:28pm "Al Jazeera reports 3 protesters dead after attempt to storm Egyptian interior ministry"]

Three people dead after attempt to storm Interior Ministry

[Carried body could be show]

AJ live with feed from Tahrir (Liberation) Square now – looks pretty packed – several 10,000 people – reporter said some were carrying a dead(?) body through the crowd – crowd demanding the murderer – another camera had a short view of the body, immediately cut away – now back – a huge procession following

Some senior politician resigned from ruling NDP party [rats … ship]

14:00 GMT – 16:00 Cairo – start of official curfew

[I agree with Issandr that the military deployment is meager. Big tanks are not really useful for crowd control – they can be rushed by 'infantry' and can be blocked off. The number of M113 infantry carriers we see is not big either. Those aluminum cans on tracks (they burn well) hold 10 infantry soldiers each. With those dozens deployed we see that are only a few hundred men. Much less than the police numbers we saw yesterday and without chance with these big crowds.]

Issandr has a new piece up: The army and the people

Going around central Cairo today, it strikes me the deployment of the army is quite meager considering the circumstances. The crowds are very pro-army, I filmed an amazing moment when a charismatic one-star general addressed the public and spoke of the importance of maintaining public order. People kept shouting, are you with or against Mubarak? He answered that his mission is making sure the looting stops, and that the issue of who governs if the people's decision, not the army's, and that government should be civilian.

About a 1,000 people trying to storm Interior Ministry downtown Cairo – ministry seen as torture house

Heavy gunfire said to be heard at printing house of central bank [someone needs money?]

State TV reports a burned police station in a southern city

Cairo – live video – crowds, marching groups/columns seem to get bigger – tanks surrounded with people, very relaxed for now – some civilians directting traffic  – a military column of M60 tanks moving with civilians directing traffic for them – reporter says civilians handing flowers to soldiers

AJ talking to some leftist professor of the American University in Cairo and head of some worker groups – she calls for a general strike.

[Mubarak has few options now. Ordering the military to enforce the curfew will either not happen, when the military will not follow orders, or will be VERY bloody as the crowds are huge and still growing. The second would probably also lead to even bigger protests.]

ElBaradei on phone with AJ – appeals to army to stay on the side of the people

Cairo live – ongoing marches – people a bit euphoric – one M60 surrounded by some 2,000 people (my estimate), soldiers on top – central bank says all banks should close – one protester, elder man, with a piece of cloth with  "Israel head for death" written on it – state TV warns of violating the curfew (in 50 minutes) – to hold curfew will be impossible – roads are full with either cars or protesters

Alexandria live – ongoing peaceful protests – people act against vandalism – caught thieves get handed over to the military

13:00 GMT – 15:00 Cairo

AJ talking with some Egyptian analyst currently in Johannesburg – AJ presses for ElBaradei – analyst says not so sure, the soccer association is more popular and more involved – people did not like that he was absend during the last weeks – but analyst says Baradei could be an interim figure

Issandr El Amrani is back in Cairo and has a current report and his thoughts at The Arabist – seems to confirm what we see.

Human Rights Watch guy from Alexandia by phone – protests all around the city – several thousands – no uniformed police but some armed civil police in the street – hospitals overwhelmed with wounded – life ammunition shots – total dead in Alexandria at least 36 – protesters relatively firendly to soldiers, bring tea to them, but wonder what they will do when they get orders to shoot 

[AlJazeera is totally pro-protesters and anti-Mubarak – not sure that is officially intended but it is just so.] 

Cairo – video – soldiers sitting relaxed on tanks, drinking tea – protesters around shouting – one man climbs onto a tank, kisses soldier – waves flag jumping up and down – is asked by soldier to get back down – does so

Cairo – live video – two columns of protesters just met – some 10-20,000 (my estimate) shouting slogans, showing flags – no special type of people – socially mixed crowd, but not many women

Cairo – video  – protesters passing between tanks that seem to have been meant as a road block – soldiers do nothing

[Wondering who will enforce the curfue. No police has been seen today but the soldiers may need relief at some time and it could be that the likely hated police will come out again.] 

Cairo – live video – outside state TV offices – several hundred+ protesters – a thin line of security forces – green cloth, red helmets – holding hands cordoning off an area – in front of them a row of civilians also holding hands – looking towards the protesters – protecting the security forces – behind the red helmet line in the cordoned off area soldiers in sand color fatigue – relexed but with assault rifles

Alexandia via phone – ongoing protesters – civilians regulating traffic – local police officer in civil cloth recognized, attacked by protesters – pictures from Alexandia morgue – some 20 bodies – reporter says another place has at least 8 more – total dead count now over a hundred

12:00 GMT – 14:00 Cairo

Cairo AJ says 50,000 protesters in Tahrir Square – live video feed from AJ offices shows several thousand marching in direction of Tahrir Square – roads towards Tahrir said to be blocked by many military

4:00pm – 8:00am curfew annonced for today

Cairo – video – Oct6 bridge full of cars – groups of some 300 protesters walking along – no police – more protests expected for the afternoon

Alexandria via phone – people lining in front of ATMs withdrawing money – videos shows several burned police vans – people shaking hands with soldiers – groups of protesters

11:15 GMT – 13:15 Cairo

Press TV reports that Israeli embassy personal in Cairo has been evacuated by helicopter and flown to Tel Aviv

Cabinet has now officially resigned – no new cabinett annonced yet

Phone interview with Iranian analyst Marandi – sees this as major loss for the U.S. – compares with Iranian revolution – "the region is changing" – U.S. ties to Israel are the problem

Video pictures from inside a morque in Cairo, five bloody corps – 30 dead there is said – angry people in front of the morgue

[interviewer is pushing NDP guy pretty hard]

Phone interview with NDP (ruling party) functionary (Boutros) – "Mubarak showed response to the people" – defends government and "elected president" – warns of chaos – "we admit mistakes" – (video now shows some broken shop windows – mobile phone shop, bank) – says security people have been killed – laments about looting – "criminals are loose now" – does not want answer further questions

Suez by phone – some dead people in the morgue riddled with bullet holes – 1-2,000 protesters in the street now 

Alexandria by phone – small gatherings of protesters – most of the dead were young twenty-somethings 

Cairo – more demonstrators marching towards Tahrir Square – video shows groups of people discussing with soldiers – Army asked people not to amass – is obviously not followed – view from AJ office shows protesters on Oct. 6 bridge around a burned out police truck trying to push it over – about a hundered people are protesting in front of a three tank (2xM60 1xM113) roadblock – only about 20 soldiers standing in a wide line in front of the tanks – have helmets with visors and assault rifles in hand – no police visible – protesters start walking away from them

10:00 GMT – 12:00 Cairo

Violent clashes reported in a city Ismaila(?) north of Cairo

Cairo – video at a military roadblock – officer comes towards camera – seems to want it stop filming – cut

Cairo – by phone – reporter at a morgue – people waiting for their dead – furious 

Suez – by phone – 2-300 protesters in the main street marching to the government building now – senior military officer says unofficialy to reporter that he will disregard orders to shoot if given, wants president down – no police in the street

Alexandria – by phone – protesters in a moving march – noise of protest slogans calling fro regime change – army in various positions around town protecting government buildings – provincial administration, mayor building police stations are burned out – bodies reporters has seen at morgue had bullet wounds, other bodies completely disfigured

Cairo studio – view shows some car traffic on the bridges crossing the Nile which have been fought about/on yesterday – pictures of a group of 500 protesters

Cairo – gunfire reported – video shows some protesters in the street – military blocks roads to state TV and Foreign Ministry 

9:00 GMT – 11:00 Cairo

Cairo – Reuters: police fire shoots in central Cairo square

Cairo – interview with some Egypt blogger – says protests will continue – high level of army loyal to Mubarak

Cairo video – 20-30 burned out civil vehicles inside the perimeter of  the still burning NDP party headquarter

Suez – phone interview – "orderly chaos" – army deployed in all the city covering banks – people not sure what to think about the military – ambivalent – 15 dead from yesterday at the morgue

Cairo – mobile phones now working again – some hundred people coming to Tahrir (Liberation) Square, the center of yesterdays protests- bridge in view from AJ stiudio Cairo seems to have been cleaned of yesterday's burned police vehicles

Alexandria – phone interview – all police stations burned down – 23 dead from yesterday in the morgue

Cairo – early morning video – some burned out M113 military tracked vehicle – more M113 and M60 main battle tanks deployed – people seem somewhat neutral to military

8:00 GMT – 10:00 Cairo

Comments

Thanks for the update, that was great.
We may be getting a little preview of what will happen in America one day.

Posted by: Joseph | Jan 29 2011 11:12 utc | 1

it appears to me, and some commentators on al jazeera and BBC world too, that this is an egyptian thing. very little or none of the anti US/Israel stuff.
nice pictures on AJ of troops and citizens not being aggressive toward each other. I am getting my hopes up that the army will not crush the people. I think the family bonds are too strong for that.
re Joseph’s comment. however, we have a long way to go before that will happen. there are way too many people who heartily defend the elite and all things that they do. 70 years of intense indoctrination from Madison Avenue ad agencies have completely sold most of my fellow citizens on the divinity of the rich and powerful.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 29 2011 13:40 utc | 2

The way the Egyptian military is acting… it is though it is giving time for the U.S./Egyptian/Israeli governments enough time for another U.S. puppet/lackey to be positioned in place. The U.S. media did not cover this huge story much until Friday. Also, Mubarak put off addressing the protesters as long as he could. So many stall tactics… very disgusting … a real insult to the people.

Posted by: Rick Happ | Jan 29 2011 13:50 utc | 3

little moments like the silencing of voices of the funeral procession & as you say b – wrong questions being asked – it is not clear where aj stands in relation to this uprising by the egyptian people

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 29 2011 15:27 utc | 4

Al Jazeera has been a bit ambivalent about Egypt revolt from the start. After all the Qatar leadership, even if confronted with the Saudi family, that controls the channel is just another absolutist monarchy.
I find it interesting that the current host is trying to play designing Omar Soliman as the successor (over Mubarak’s kid) as a step on the good direction.
Obviously they are playing through the scenary suiting the current elite and the western powers.

Posted by: ThePaper | Jan 29 2011 15:38 utc | 5

Lol and behold. The new US State Department announcement is the same as the US ordering Mubarak to step down and be replaced by Soliman to end the revolt. Omar Soliman, the US candidate for Egypt strongman dicator.

Posted by: ThePaper | Jan 29 2011 15:42 utc | 6

yes i think that is absolutely so , the paper, soliman seems like a perfect puppy of the imperialists
yes yr right too about the ambivalence of aj – they are like any other dominant media – they are drawn to this magnificent spectacle but are hedging the bets – but i have the feeling that angryarab even though he may only be repeating rumours – but tomorrow will reveal whether the army is in support of its own people or its executioner

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 29 2011 15:43 utc | 7

Al Jazeera is playing the drop Mubarak game, but just that for now. Free open elections are still dangerous words on that part of the world.

Posted by: ThePaper | Jan 29 2011 15:45 utc | 8

Goodness knows that when the Syrians start screaming for justice, b and rgiap will start singing the virtues of Assad.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 29 2011 15:48 utc | 9

AngryArab reports, quoting AlJazeera (arab version I guess), that the chief-of-staff (army) has also promoted to second vice-president. For a ‘president’ that has had no official second in power for 30 years this is a clear attempt for a controlled transition to a post-Mubarak regimen.

Posted by: ThePaper | Jan 29 2011 15:50 utc | 10

b, wherever the people resist, we hear of fictional looting – katrina taught us the lie of those who rule from the roll of dollars
they hate the people
their cries of mobs, of looting, of violence when in fact it is the tyranny that loots the people, it is the tyranny that commits violence against the people
the mob is a beautiful volatile organic flower
meanwhile at the presidents palace a macabre & bloody comic opera takes place

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 29 2011 16:23 utc | 11

euronews reports that Mubarak’s children were seen arriving at a London airport.
proverbial rats abandoning a sinking ship…

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 29 2011 17:03 utc | 12

You and b spent weeks declaiming the justice of the green revolution for no other reason than that the mullahs hate America.
But now, you love “the people.”
it appears that one man’s tyrant is another man’s rhetorical trope.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 29 2011 17:07 utc | 13

thanks b

Posted by: annie | Jan 29 2011 17:11 utc | 14

sloth, maybe you missed the dagan wikileaks calling for instigating a green revolution. these are 2 different kettle of fish. also, assad is well liked ans supported by the people, syria is not egypt.
why are you here again?

Posted by: annie | Jan 29 2011 17:15 utc | 15

Slothrop does not understand the difference between people who, on their own, bring down a dictatorship and of people who are, incited from outside, protesting against their political opponent clearly winning a mostly free election.

Posted by: b | Jan 29 2011 17:25 utc | 16

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 29 2011 17:26 utc | 17

what does this have to do with the so called green revolution in Iran?
nothing!

Posted by: annie | Jan 29 2011 17:36 utc | 18

b, again, your hypocrisy. Freedom House and other pro-democracy NGOs have spent years funneling money and assistance to Egyptian dissidents and pro-democracy groups in Egypt.
How much would you like to bet that Egyptian pro-democracy groups have received more money and assistance over a period of the past 10 years than have the Iranian dissident groups?

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 29 2011 18:04 utc | 19

annie: a good person who believes intensely in her own ideas.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 29 2011 18:08 utc | 20

Your Internet buddy Brill arrives at his conclusions by exploiting the lack of evidence available to anyone who wants to make the case.
Mubarak is no different than the mullahs for the simple reason that neither regime would ever, ever permit its ouster by electoral politics. That would never happen. You notice, but casually ignore the fact because the ambiguity of evidence permits you to shoehorn a world historical event into the neatness of your incredibly narrow ideology.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 29 2011 18:19 utc | 21

slothrop says…

“Mubarak is no different than the mullahs…”

there’s a big difference between mubarak and the mullahs…
mubarak is maintained in office by bribes from people who despise arabs.
meanwhile, the mullahs are under assault from people who intend to fragment their country, steal their oil and gas, and subjugate their population.
it’s too damn bad that so many people are gaining awareness of the PNAC project, its intentions and its tactics.
you seem to be taking morbid comfort from the possibility that the egyptian situation might touch off a world war… sounds to me like you’re losing, you know it, and you’re getting a little bitter and twisted.
you’re on the wrong side of history… you might as well relax and enjoy the ride.

Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 29 2011 18:45 utc | 22

slothrop is one of the ideological footsoldiers of empire (though he suggests it doesn’t exist) – for slothrop the root of all evil are european pensioners & form for him a conspiracy to defame the shining light of u s economic & military power
empire does not commit crimes, far from it – their quest is a civilising one in slothrop’s rather strange mind – the arabs he suggest are fragmentary moving mobs incapable of resistance or their own liberation
slothrop imagines that the arab people are born to loot – which would place him today in every seat of every editorial meeting of the dominant media
unfortunately al jazeera no different in this respect

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 29 2011 18:59 utc | 23

i guess sooner or later someone will get around to discussing time’s “man of the year”, whose company was endorsed by the president of israel, then gained 600,000,000 customers almost overnight, and whose products seemed to have had something to do with triggering the uprisings.
or maybe it’s all part of the neocon plan: more creative destruction to mask the damage done to israel by the palestine papers.
time will tell, wont it? …but in the meantime, the egyptians are giving us a little preview, and a little inspiration, nevermind what triggered them.

Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 29 2011 19:04 utc | 24

Areas in Cairo were attacked by state security forces in civilian clothes.
The residents, protecting their neighborhoods, have arrested a few of them and found police ID.
from CAIRO / 29th january 2011
tho aj pumping up the story of looting of the people

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 29 2011 19:10 utc | 25

really appreciating the running summaries, b, since am unable to get in front of a computer today

Posted by: b real | Jan 29 2011 19:13 utc | 26

@flickervertigo – crap – you are banned

Posted by: b | Jan 29 2011 19:20 utc | 27

I’m beginning to get an idea of Mubarak’s strategy here, at least for today. It’s to replicate Baghdad 2003. Complete confusion. Thus to frighten Egyptians into obeying, without having to open fire heavily. No doubt under advice from Israel and/or US.
The police are off the streets (why?), and the army has only a limited presence. Nevertheless, the Egyptian army is enormous, half a million or so. They could defend everything.
Then the looting. Plenty of reports unfortunately not confirmed that the looters are the government thugs (baltajiyya). Reports also that the raid on the archaeological museum last night was the baltajis. Funnily enough nothing was stolen, only damage. Videoed on alJazeera. And the demonstrators formed a ring around the museum in order to defend it.
Very suspicious. Don’t know whether it will work though. Some of the baltajis were captured, according to the reports. I hope some journalists are checking this out, to get the proof.

Posted by: alexno | Jan 29 2011 19:34 utc | 28

al jazeera playing a perfidious role tonight – emphasizing looting while mentioning paranthetically the massacre of people – the people clearly for the most part peacuful in their practice commenced to be demonised – the emir of quatar has obviously got instructions to follow from the state department

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 29 2011 19:41 utc | 29

you’re back! and have been for some time… Sweet news! I didn’t trust my eyes when I stumbled upon your comment at the arabist. Really missed this place.
Thanks for being around, and All the best!

Posted by: Lex | Jan 29 2011 19:50 utc | 30

I have the greatest respect for r’giap, one of the intellectually greatest to contribute to MoA, but I think that al Jazeera has done us a wonderful service in giving moment to moment coverage of the crisis in Egypt. Not only to us – I checked out Jazeera Arabic and it’s the same images, but with an Arabic commentary. That means that those images are being delivered to everybody in the Arab world. I don’t have to tell you what importance that has.
It is true that alJazeera is subject to the Amirate of Qatar. These events in Egypt are very dangerous for the Sheikhs of the Gulf, but still the Jazeera feed has not been cut off. One should appreciate this point.
Just to remark upon the situation in the Gulf. The Gulf states are essentially the personal ownership of the ruling family. The oil wealth accrues to that family. As long as what you do pleases the ruling family you can have money without end. But they can cut you off at any moment. The present situation is a sort of witness to the attitudes of the Qatari rulers. Of course the Qataris don’t have the problem of a Shi’a minority, as does Bahrain or Saudi.

Posted by: alexno | Jan 29 2011 20:46 utc | 31

England’s Daily Telegraph
reports that “Egypt protests: secret US document discloses support for protesters”.
According to another story
“The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.
On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011”

Some things to note:
The Telegraph is England’s last High Tory daily newspaper and hasn’t always been found to print genuine documents. For example the forgeries that surfaced about, at that time Labour MP, George Galloway being in receipt of secret commissions from Saddam Hussein during the decade of sanctions that killed 500,000 Iraqi children. Galloway publicised this disgrace and as a result was subjected to Telegraph style investigative journalism.
The Telegraph is the newspaper most preferred by England’s S.I.S. (MI6) when they want to get a story out. Those stories are frequently true, or true as far as they go, but they have also been known to be total tosh, disinformation.
So one is left asking. Is this true? And. Whether it is true or not what is the purpose of this story? Why does the English establishment want people to believe that the US is controlling the protests? If they do want that to happen does the US have a role in it? Has this story been planted so that the NYT can quote it?

Posted by: UreKismet | Jan 29 2011 20:57 utc | 32

alexno, thanks – i take your point – but aj has been so systematically demonizing issues in latin america that perhaps i am sensing something that might be without substance – though the issue of looting began on egyptian television 6 hours ago & then followed on a j – it is seeming to dominate all commentary
i agree though its is a very dynamic situation & perhaps they are just following points of interest, rather than that of ideology – this whole historic moment is so extraordinary that perhaps i’m guilty of misreading nuances
thank you for alerting me to it

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 29 2011 20:58 utc | 33

The American Empire is bankrupt and the poor are having a horrible time of it these days. But, even more ominous, they are being joined by “middle class people” who are on the edge. We watch the empire spend trillions on wars and other brutal acts while there is nothing for the people.
It may take a lot to start it, but once it starts the empire could be gone in mere days. After all, I thought the Soviet Empire was forever — and it was not!

Posted by: Joseph | Jan 29 2011 21:10 utc | 34

empire does not commit crimes, far from it – their quest is a civilising one in slothrop’s rather strange mind – the arabs he suggest are fragmentary moving mobs incapable of resistance or their own liberation
Man, you nailed it.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 29 2011 21:23 utc | 35

Anyone wishing to compare Egypt today to the Green revolt in Iran should note one very clear difference. Iran’s government was able to muster MASSIVE crowds in their support on many different occasions. Many poopooed all that as just a “rent a crowd” or government employees or people showing up for free snacks.
Be that as it may,you will notice that Bin Ali of Tunisia and Mubarak of Egypt could not get ANY supporters on the street to rally on their behalf. They certainly would if they could. They too have government employees. They too can offer snacks and juice. This is not a small difference.
Also, regarding the story in the telegraph that this was all planned by some secret pro democracy US organization: I call BS. This is perfect after-the-fact psyops intended to confuse and demoralize the protesters. That’s what I think, anyway.

Posted by: Lysander | Jan 29 2011 21:46 utc | 36

al Jazeera newscasters (as opposed to reporters) continually talk about the protests in Egypt using negatives such as ‘anti-government’ ‘curfew-breakers’ etc. The journalists are a little kinder presumambly because they are effected by the people.
Even so AJ reporter Rageeh Omar admits now that he toed the English establishment line on Iraq when he worked for the BBC, so there is no reason to believe that he or any other AJ reporter won’t do as he is told by AJ editors.
Is Slothrop a Jew? He talks about Arabs in exactly the same way that people I know raised in the New York Jewish community talk about Arabs. The brain washing begins at a very young age and few manage to escape it.

Posted by: Paradise Mislaid | Jan 29 2011 22:05 utc | 37

it would seem that in trying to scare people with looting – all it has done is to solidify groups outside the centre to protect themselves & now in every report it is being made clear that the looters are either security or agents of security. it seems all the self defence units also maintain their opposition to mubarak

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 29 2011 22:07 utc | 38

so far only a little cooperation.
I as a Buchananite non-interventionist,believe “b” should restrain from labelling Mr. Lang a soft imperialist and Mr. Lang should refrain from labelling “b” “deranged.”
Posted by: Ken Hoop | 29 January 2011 at 05:44 PM
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2011/01/omar-suleiman-sworn-in-as-vp.html#tp

Posted by: Ken Hoop | Jan 29 2011 22:54 utc | 39

oh my

Posted by: annie | Jan 29 2011 23:11 utc | 40

Breaking news from Cairo, received by the BRussells Tribunal
CAIRO, January 29 22hrs (local time)
From the Quarters of the Department of the Interior, Zaad Zaghloul and Bab el-Louk
The people are trying to take over the Ministry of Interior, snipers are on the roofs of the building.
They fire with tear gas and bullets of lead, but also, according to locals, with live ammunition.
No ambulances, no medical assistance.
The army does not interpose between the forces of the Ministry of Interior and the demonstrators.
A witness located near the site said he saw bodies evacuated.
The mosque in the Mahomed Mahmoud Street (near the Ministry of Interior) has made a call requesting urgent medical assistance.
Near Kasr El Aini (next to the Central Hospital)
“thugs” are looting, breaking and burning shops. They also attacked the central hospital Kasr El Aini.
The mosque nearby has made a call asking people to defend their neighborhood.
The people trying to prevent their access to different neighborhoods on both sides of Kasr El Aini.
Most of the “thugs” are on motorcycles and armed. They bear an uncanny resemblance to ex-convicts used in the demonstrations to attack the demonstrators and pretend that there are disagreements between them. But this time, they look much more organized, like a plan to sack the city.
The people is armed only with iron bars, wooden hammers for their defense.
No medical assistance.
* Testimony regarding similar acts of “thugs” come from the following districts:
El-Ma’adi
Heliopolis
Zamalek
Mohendessin
Mounir
Heliopolis
“thugs” were arrested by the inhabitants. Some of them had police identity cards.
The press is broadcasting at this time only the events at Tahir Square.
Internet is still cut and GSM access is scarce.
DIFFERENT WITNESSES IN CAIRO, January 29, 2011.

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 29 2011 23:22 utc | 41

The phones are back up in certain areas so that the battagi can co-ordinate their thuggery, but sufficiently limited to prevent others from being organised. Mubarek will have planned for this, the release of selected convicts from prisons, the battagi who Fisk describes thusly:
“the shocking behaviour of Mubarak’s plainclothes battagi – the word does literally mean “thugs” in Arabic – who beat, bashed and assaulted demonstrators while the cops watched and did nothing, was a disgrace. These men, many of them ex-policemen who are drug addicts, were last night the front line of the Egyptian state. The true representatives of Hosni Mubarak as uniformed cops showered gas on to the crowds.”
Nice fellow that Mubarek. Wouldn’t you agree president Obama?

Posted by: UreKismet | Jan 30 2011 0:28 utc | 42

there was one report of a fleet of planes leaving for quatar from egypt with member of the egyptian elite – mentioned in a j once but unless i’m not listening properly not mentioned again

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 30 2011 0:55 utc | 43

jane mayer/new yorker Who Is Omar Suleiman?

As I described in my book “The Dark Side,” since 1993 Suleiman has headed the feared Egyptian general intelligence service. In that capacity, he was the C.I.A.’s point man in Egypt for renditions—the covert program in which the C.I.A. snatched terror suspects from around the world and returned them to Egypt and elsewhere for interrogation, often under brutal circumstances.
As laid out in greater detail by Stephen Grey, in his book “Ghost Plane,” beginning in the nineteen-nineties, Suleiman negotiated directly with top Agency officials. Every rendition was greenlighted at the highest levels of both the U.S. and Egyptian intelligence agencies. Edward S. Walker, Jr., a former U.S. Ambassador to Egypt, described Suleiman as “very bright, very realistic,” adding that he was cognizant that there was a downside to “some of the negative things that the Egyptians engaged in, of torture and so on. But he was not squeamish, by the way.”

Posted by: annie | Jan 30 2011 1:03 utc | 44

it is no surprise annie – is it – imagine the ghouls who serve his repressive state apparatus – men that would give darkness a bad name

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 30 2011 1:17 utc | 45

sublime

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 30 2011 1:29 utc | 46

i kiss the dust under your feet

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 30 2011 1:32 utc | 47

SO GLAD to see you’re back (and apparently, have been back for awhile)… got news of it from Mondoweiss site… think it might have been comment from Annie…
Thanks for returning… you have been greatly missed…
and so wonderful to see so many of the posters have returned too… love y’all and your comments… there’s always so much information here…
Cheers for the Egyptians!!! May it all go well for them…

Posted by: crone | Jan 30 2011 1:35 utc | 48

eh crone good to see ya. yeah i linked and quote b @ mondoweiss.

Posted by: annie | Jan 30 2011 1:52 utc | 49

annie thanks for the link… I wouldn’t have known otherwise! and I must tell you I enjoy reading your comments at Weiss’ site… always informative…
I’m so happy to have found y’all again!

Posted by: crone | Jan 30 2011 1:55 utc | 50

remembereringgiap, hope your health has improved…
I cried watching the youTube you posted at #47… I too kiss the dust under his feet!
Couldn’t get #46 to come up… broken link?

Posted by: crone | Jan 30 2011 1:59 utc | 51

what have I ever said about “Arabs” that is racist?
By the way, the Egyptians I’ve known, refer to themselves as Egyptians, not Arabs.
All I noted was rgiap’s grubby selection of popular insurrections worthy of his adulation. as for the Iranians, if the mullahs butchered old women and sold their skins for shoe leather, that’d be okay for rgiap & b. they don’t really like people, they like the insularity of their one idea. Like rimbaud, they care less for one human face than all the scrolls in Alexandria’s ashes…
I’m just calling their bullshit.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 30 2011 2:00 utc | 52

thank you crone – 46 made an error – glad yr here

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 30 2011 2:10 utc | 53

@ slothrop
I do not pretend to speak for b nor remembereringgiap wrt the Iranian color revolution. but what I read and understood from the both of them was that the so called popular uprising you and Parvis were so in love with was completely foreign sponsored and did not have the support of the Iranian people.
I do not recall either of them professing any love toward any of the elite clergy. if you are able to come up with a quote that supports your position I would appreciate seeing it.
also, please use snark quotes when being snarky. it is hard to tell whether you are exaggerating for effect or being serious.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 30 2011 10:29 utc | 54

@ alexno 58 an others.. Yes, a lot of chaos hoping for fizzle out. As for the looting, western media are absolutely obsessed with it. One color TV is nicked and it makes world headlines. Ludicrous. I don’t believe those looting reports (except minor stuff of course) or they are staged provoc events.
AJ (english) does a competent job, hard not to beat the competition, eh? But the general tone and themes are very western-centric or aimed. Individual acts, bravery loom large; flowers count; obligatory references to women; the pictures are also often derivative of traditional western ones; private property and its defense; burning things (scares ppl), etc. The ‘analytical’ parts are very slim, though of course that might be a criticism one shouldn’t address to TV news… the clips of the inhabitants are much of the time stereotypes which feature the buzz words, rights, democracy, etc.

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 30 2011 15:11 utc | 55

r’giap, your incredible video..yesterday when i first saw it there were 400 viewings, now it is almost 39,0000.
mr. wagdi’s words are traveling all around the world and people are hearing and feeling his tears in egypt.

Posted by: annie | Jan 30 2011 15:47 utc | 56

As for the looting, western media are absolutely obsessed with it. One color TV is nicked and it makes world headlines. Ludicrous.
noirette, there would be little point to the looting if the western press weren’t writing about it. whoever planned and designed it did so to change the dynamic of the way the world perceives the people of egypt. just like the mayhem after we invaded iraq.
non violence is what scares the ptb. it won’t work this time tho. the western press wants to scream ‘rioting crazy muslims’ or something like this. it won’t work.

Posted by: annie | Jan 30 2011 15:53 utc | 57

Well it’s not working here (Switz.) but what about Britain? Denmark?
And internally in the US, Katrina, remember, suddenly there was a lot of ‘looting’ and Homeland Security had to ‘intervene’, that was an American-US story, they even shot some ppl, and popular discourse went right fast deploring certain actions / sections of the population, like blacks from the poor districts, thugs, gangs, ganstas, etc.
We agree I guess. All I meant is that the specter or reality of looting is a big scare trigger for bourgeoisie, or the middle classes, and thus harped on by the media.

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 30 2011 19:42 utc | 58

recommended editorial from the 29th in the middle east report onlineDead-Enders on the Potomac

Posted by: b real | Jan 31 2011 15:53 utc | 59