Just back from some troubled traveling and no time yet to post.
A question though: Why did Obama allow Baby Doc to come back to Haiti?
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January 17, 2011
Just Back
Just back from some troubled traveling and no time yet to post. A question though: Why did Obama allow Baby Doc to come back to Haiti? Use as open thread …
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glad you’re back… i was wondering if you’d got an all-expense-paid flight to egypt on evergreen international.
Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 17 2011 18:27 utc | 1 What a tragic irony. Duvalier welcomed back; Aristide still in exile. Posted by: Maxcrat | Jan 17 2011 18:55 utc | 2 correction: url for “declining nuke forensic capabilities”, above. Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 17 2011 19:10 utc | 3 Obama is probably doing Sarkozy a favour, which Sarkozy is returning in Tunisia. After all they are getting on so well together in Ivory Coast. Posted by: bevin | Jan 17 2011 19:24 utc | 4 Well it wouldn’t be surprising to see that creep back in the palace at Port au Prince. As far as Oblamblam and the imperialists go, the biggest mistake Reagan made was pushing the Duvaliers outta Haiti. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 17 2011 20:19 utc | 5 One dictator flees, while another returns. Interesting. Posted by: Maracatu | Jan 17 2011 21:58 utc | 7 well… those darkies… Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 17 2011 22:04 utc | 8 i got to think that there’s something going on that we’re not supposed to notice, Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 17 2011 22:07 utc | 9 why else would debs write 850 words of crap, trying to confuse the issue? Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 17 2011 22:10 utc | 10 Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 17 2011 22:15 utc | 11 there’s got to be a use for the type of mind you have, debs… Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 17 2011 22:27 utc | 13 What I did not yet know so intensely was the hatred of the white American for the black, a hatred so deep that I wonder if every white man in this country, when he plants a tree, doesn’t see Negroes hanging from its branches. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 17 2011 23:34 utc | 14 Many bible-thumping blacks from my neck of the woods, the same folks who view, and continue to view, Obama as their own personal Messiah, are of the belief that all of the natural disasters that’ve taken place in Haiti is God’s way of punishing the Haitians for engaging in voodoo and other forms of witchcraft. They believe that if Haitians had simply stuck to the Word of God, God would’ve awarded them with a basket full of earthy delights. Posted by: Cynthia | Jan 17 2011 23:41 utc | 15 @flickervertigo #1: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Jan 18 2011 1:22 utc | 16 @ 5 the situation is fluid in Tunisia, who knows what the next few weeks and months will bring to its people, but much like in the west African country of Ivory Coast the French imperial tentacles (for what it is) is now out in the open. Posted by: Minerva | Jan 18 2011 2:28 utc | 17 @Debs is dead @99 fair enough each to their own. It just seems to me if Obama can keep aristide out of Haiti, surely he can keep the Duvalier mob out. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 18 2011 3:11 utc | 19 i’d like to echo 99, and say i too appreciate Penn’s work in Haiti. Penn calling out Wyclef and his corporate string yankers on CNN took a little bit of risk. but hey, no one’s pure, and Sean Penn is better than most. Posted by: lizard | Jan 18 2011 3:11 utc | 20 I think Duvalier being back in Haiti is an outrage. Papa and Baby Doc stayed in power using state terror and they used the country like a cow and practically milked it to death. There is no justice because Aristide is still banned, while the despot gets to come back. And the banning of Aristide’s party is a crime against democracy in Haiti. here’s penn from an hour-long interview that democracy now did w/ him in haiti last july
Posted by: b real | Jan 18 2011 4:32 utc | 22 Copeland, I agree completely and the outrageousness of it is surely why b has called it to our attention. Posted by: lambent1 | Jan 18 2011 4:35 utc | 23 Penn is a great actor with a great ego. He has a large audience (maybe not including you) that he has consistently informed by his statements and actions in Iraq and Haiti. He compares far better than a Bono or Mother Theresa. The quote above is in support of individual troops, not policy, in my reading of it. Posted by: Biklett | Jan 18 2011 5:37 utc | 24 Beyond the pale an outrage, yes, yes indeedy. lizard says…
maybe i’m too stupid to figure out what deb’s argument is… all i can detect is a diffuse hatred of america… if you would be so kind, please distill deb’s “arguments” down to a comprehensible size so us dummies can understand what he’s driving at. Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 18 2011 6:08 utc | 26 Flicker… Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Jan 18 2011 6:54 utc | 27
a traitor mentat, corrupted by the weeds of sex, with patience, and an inexhaustible tolerance for the degradation of the signal-to-noise ratio. Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 18 2011 7:15 utc | 28
we are what we are, and the sooner we understand what we are… Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 18 2011 7:40 utc | 29 flicker, there is a lot of justifiable dismay, frustration, and disgust regarding this country we inhabit, the policies of the US, and the global degradation we support with our tax dollars. Posted by: lizard | Jan 18 2011 12:18 utc | 30 I find it odd that we need to discuss the meanderings of ANY Hollywood hothead… Who really gives a damn what any of them say? Oh, I know, some make what are deemed “important” movies that supposedly deal with ‘issues’… give me a break. They’re entertainers owned lock, stock and barrel by the monied elite who run that godforsaken pissant place where ‘dreams are made’. Vomit! Baby Doc Redux! incredible. Posted by: Noirette | Jan 18 2011 16:53 utc | 32 dave… Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 18 2011 17:08 utc | 33 Because the Democratic Party is still regarded as the party that represents ordinary people, despite the fact that the Democratic Party has now joined the Republican Party in terms of selling its soul to the rich, it’s far easier for Democratic presidents, especially ones whose skin color is either black or brown, to get away with installing or reinstalling dictators in various puppet regimes throughout the world. Since most American are still under the illusion that the Republican Party is the one and only party for the elites, it’s much harder for Republicans to get way with doing undemocratic things like suppressing free speech and forbidding workers from unionizing. This is the same reason why Barack Obama bailed out Wall Street without bailing out Main Street and why he’ll probably call for cuts to the retirement arm of Social Society without calling for cuts to the health-insurance arm of Social Security, which is nothing more than a corporate welfare program for the medical-industrial complex. Posted by: Cynthia | Jan 18 2011 17:08 utc | 34 Jeff Wells discovered a profile of Wheeler by Chris Hedges in the NYT, from 2002:
The domain expired Aug 25, 2005 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 18 2011 18:12 utc | 35 WHEELER, NOW TAGGED AS “NUTTY LOSER VIETNAM VET…”
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 18 2011 18:15 utc | 36 We hate it when our friends become successful. – Morrissey Posted by: Biklett | Jan 18 2011 18:54 utc | 37 Uncle, for me the thing to be learned from the dissonant Wheeler stories is exactly what sort of a slimy two faced creep Wheeler appears to have been. Back when the prevailing feeling in Washington was Vietnam was a fuck up, too many died for too little, that was Wheeler’s stance as you can see from the 2002 profile. Being 2002 he was trying to meld the post 911 world which was still nascent, essentially unformed, into the bits of his resume that seemed most appropriate. Hence the emphasis on “nuclear terrorism” which is gonna be a non-starter for a long time yet, but that won’t stop hasbeen, are,& wannabe corporate welfare recipients from threatening amerikans with it every DC funding round. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 18 2011 21:13 utc | 38 I too have been wondering about why Duvalier why now in Haiti. I did come across this:
I have to admit that my interest in what really happened to Wheeler and why it happened is the vain hope that some sort of investigation will uncover an entire nest of dishonourable greed driven crooks, caught in such blatantly duplicitous circumstances that even amerikans will confront the rats at the heart of their ugly & rotten dystopian construct. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 18 2011 23:14 utc | 40 I just came upon this interview with Martin Luther King Jnr. on The Mike Douglas TV show in 1967..his words still resonate to this day… Posted by: noiseannoys | Jan 18 2011 23:26 utc | 41 out of frying pan into fire perhaps… Posted by: noiseannoys | Jan 18 2011 23:37 utc | 42 @noise annoys Yeah well let’s hope so. The other faint chance is that Duvalier is running outta cash & decided he needs to come back to Haiti, let them charge him and then beat the charges because files are in such disarray after 25 years. Then he would have a reasonable chance of wresting the $6.2 mill outta the Swiss. No matter how strong their new law is, it is difficult to see how the Swiss could keep the dough away from Duvalier if he had been acquitted of all charges in Haiti. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 19 2011 2:25 utc | 43 It’s nice to see that at least one major Western news magazine has done an extensive follow up on the Mossad-Dubai murder fiasco (with understandable emphasis on Mossad exploitation of authentic German documents). Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 19 2011 9:47 utc | 44 thanks for the der spiegel link hannah Posted by: annie | Jan 19 2011 16:37 utc | 45 could be we’re on the way to solving the mystery of wikileaks failure to publish state department cables that were critical of israel. Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 19 2011 17:58 utc | 46 @ Debs 43. Posted by: Noirette | Jan 19 2011 18:00 utc | 47 What Mark Zuckerberg and Julian Assange share in common is that they are both well-known byproducts of the Information Age. Other than that, the two couldn’t be more different. Asaange wants to limit the privacy of the powerful and spread power to the many, while Zuckerberg wants to limit the privacy of the powerless and and concentrate power for the few. This explains why Time Magazine chose Zuckerberg over Assange to be its Person of the Year, despite the fact that Assange was by far the top choice among Time readers. This happened because Mark Zuckerberg and Time Magazine are very much part of the corporate power structure that exerts power over the powerless. The same thing can’t be said about Julian Assange and WikiLeaks. Posted by: Cynthia | Jan 19 2011 19:30 utc | 48 haiti liberté: A Class Analysis of Baby Doc: Mothballed Playboy Dictator Recalled to Service
Posted by: b real | Jan 19 2011 19:32 utc | 49 Unsure of the source, but possible: Israel finances military helicopter deal for South Sudan could be we’re on the way to solving the mystery of wikileaks failure to publish state department cables that were critical of israel. b says..
where’s the beef, b? Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 19 2011 20:10 utc | 52 remember dror, the guy who said in the jewish forward that all jews should abandon their morals in defense of israel? Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 19 2011 20:24 utc | 53 the interesting thing about the south sudan thing, and israeli support for it… it leaves darfur, the pet “cause” not long ago, in north sudan. Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 19 2011 21:08 utc | 54 my first thoughts when I saw baby doc show up in Haiti was that he had come back because haiti apparently needs a strong leader. we all know how much the US appreciates strong leaders. Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 19 2011 22:01 utc | 55 Lockheed Gets Big Bucks to Prep Soldiers for Urban War
You know, for free speech zones and food rationing after the riots of collapsed economy and or false flag biological terror… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 19 2011 22:40 utc | 56 cynthia 48, that’s perfect!
and that was before bush/cheney. the arabists have been driven out of the state department just as chas freeman was driven out of nie. it is inconceivable to me our embassy in israel is not stuffed w/neocons, i’m sure they just repeat the mfa hasbara. why wouldn’t they? check out the list of names in that jweekly article. i just read martin indyk was the new fresh face taking a look at the peace process (and hadley as i recall). and ross f course . wtf. the last place i expect interesting news from israel would be the embassy. these people might as well work for israel. they probably do for all we know. Posted by: annie | Jan 20 2011 1:09 utc | 57
b. they didn’t get played because our entire ME bureau is infested with AIPAC moles, our Tel Aviv embassy is most definitely nothing but an extension of the GOI…! *gah* Samsung Granted RoboCop Patent Posted by: Rick Happ | Jan 20 2011 4:43 utc | 59 wikileaks cable: april glaspie give saddam the green light to invade kuwait… Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 20 2011 5:18 utc | 60 The most ingenuous sentence from flicker‘s link in 60:
Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 20 2011 11:40 utc | 61 Haven’t seen this posted much of anywhere, heard it on Democracy Now (Amy Goodman) yesterday (Wed, 1/19), stated as an aside, while driving home.
I mean, this was obvious to anyone paying attention, but US media/BushCo etc. has parroted Israeli propaganda on the subject forever. This more or less explicitly is declaration of intent to commit crimes. Posted by: jdmckay | Jan 20 2011 12:32 utc | 62 jdmckay, for up to date i/p info i rec mondoweiss. here’s their jan 5th coverage: Collective punishment: Wikileaks doc says Israel kept Gaza on ‘brink of collapse’ partly as response to capture of Gilad Shalit Posted by: annie | Jan 20 2011 14:56 utc | 63 23-story rocket launches U.S. spy satellite Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 21 2011 2:48 utc | 65 an africa confidential report last month, new guns on the block, stated that saracen int’l, the merc company in the news now for shady operations in somalia’s puntland region which is openly violating u.n. sanctions re somalia, was using the (former) blackwater ship, mv eaton, but now…
jeremy scahill has reported of prince openly proposing “that the US government deploy armed private contractors to fight ‘terrorists’ in … Somalia”
Posted by: b real | Jan 21 2011 5:17 utc | 66 b real – that seems like some pretty shocking news. Blackwater angling for the Somalia market, and the U.S. is starting to use its own ground troops now in Somalia? I guess it is not shocking that Blackwater would try to get into a lucrative war market, but sending in the marines -even if a small unit- really seems more like blatant escalation. Posted by: Maxcrat | Jan 21 2011 12:00 utc | 67 @b real – I would for now assume that there were not U.S. marines on the ground but mercenaries from the Blackwater ship McArthur. That ship has a helicopter on board. Seems to unfocused for a marine operation. should have also pointed out this article from last saturday on a separate incident
unable to find any other original english-language reporting on either of these two outside of an article at garowe online on the alleged somaliland operation – Somaliland silent as ‘foreign soldiers’ help capture terrorists – which says local accounts were not clear on the nationality of teh foreigners involved. they very well could be operations by a private outfit. otoh, the u.s. military has been involved in similar type operations previously, most notably operation celestial balance. Posted by: b real | Jan 21 2011 17:01 utc | 69 an AP article today, Blackwater founder trains Somalis, goes further than the NYT article yesterday by claiming that eric prince is “overseeing” saracen’s operations in somalia
it could be that it is being leaked to help control the narrative by framing this as primarily an anti-piracy operation. but there’s more to it than that, as covered in earlier open threads.a Posted by: b real | Jan 21 2011 21:38 utc | 70 |
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