Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 9, 2011
Assassination Of A Liberal in America

Editorial published in Dawn, Jan. 11, 2011

IT'S EASY to blame America's deepening crisis on its feckless civilian government. President Barack Hussein Obama and his Democratic Party have been ineffectual in managing the country's economy, slow in responding to disasters like last summer's oil spill and unable to attack extremist sanctuaries as the United States has been seeking for years. Having lost its majority in parliament, the Obama government looks as if it may be beyond rescue.

Yet the assassination last week of one of Mr. Obama's allies, Arizona Representative Gabrielle Giffords, was a reminder that America is engaged in a fateful civil war between democratic moderates and extremists – and that the current government is the most reliably liberal force. Mrs. Giffords was an outspoken defender of secular values who had been campaigning to reform America's most odious laws against health care.

There are many good reasons for frustration with Mr. Obama, both among Americans and among foreign allies. But this week's events make plain – if it were not clear enough already – that there is little choice other than to try to support and strengthen his government. Mr. Obama's government needs to implement economic reforms, sponsor development in areas where extremism breeds, and push the Army to go after them. But for now, the priority should be its survival.

Adopted from: Death of a liberal in Pakistan, Editorial, WaPo, Jan. 6, 2011

Comments

I don’t know where people get these ideas.

Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 9 2011 9:28 utc | 1

Will Obama have the intestinal fortitude to say that recent vicious right wing rhetoric bears some responsibility for this action? I highly doubt it. He is probably already making plans to say that we oughta look forward rather than backwards on this, just like he said about Bush’s war crimes.

Posted by: Cynthia | Jan 9 2011 11:07 utc | 2

I don’t really care what happens to any of these whores to corporatism. Oh I know I’m meant to be upset because a child was killed by the gunman and on one level I do feel sad for that child but her death is repeated everyday in Afghanistan, Iraq, Haiti, Sudan or any of the other free fire zones created by Gifford’s party and their pretend enemy.
I am angry about this killing but not because of the ‘needless waste of life’ or however the journos are packaging this drama, I am angry because for the next week the corporate media will talk of little else other than the deaths of a handful of amerikans whilst they were waddling in and out of the local temple to overconsumption. That supermarket full of crap food presented in packages that cost more than the contents, only exists because humans all over the rest of the planet are being slaughtered every day.
If my view seems offensive, then surely the thread at FDL that seeks to exploit the deaths of these amerikans by alleging it is all the fault of their pretend enemy the rethugs, for drawing a crosshair on the map of Arizona, should seem infinitely worse.
Watch out – all the demwitted zombies who follow the party of oblamblam as if it were staffed by graduates of the second coming, will agitate to get some sort of restriction on political advertising.
Any restriction will have built in demwit/rethug out clauses leaving anyone who seeks to provide an alternative political solution to bear the brunt of the new censorship, in an attempt to keep the debate restricted to tweedledum & tweedledee.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 9 2011 11:46 utc | 3

One thing for sure, the John P. Wheeler III story has effectively been buried.
And I’ll go one step further with debs line of thought, why is the cold blooded murder of a “leader” anymore important than any other average citizen gun downed in our sick and violent “classless” country?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 9 2011 13:11 utc | 4

More infor mation on those who were killed.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 9 2011 13:24 utc | 5

“if it were not clear enough already – that there is little choice other than to try to support and strengthen his government.”
An extraordinarily surprising statement, b. The last thing anyone needs to do is legitimate the corrupt system by supporting either of the two parties. I really don’t care which mask the same clown is wearing at any given moment.
And I can assure you that any crackdown will not be directed at the Palin/Limbaugh right, but at the ‘weird’ anti-war, anti-government anti-central bank, pro-gold standard Ron Paul right.

Posted by: Lysander | Jan 9 2011 14:17 utc | 6

@Lysander – you missed my irony tags?
A WaPo editorial on an assassination in Pakistan mashed up to a comparable event in the U.S. is not my opinion.
It was supposed to show some reflection on how the U.S. is always lecturing other countries.
(Meta: Seems that during my blogging break I forgot that Brecht type Verfremdung does not really work in blog postings.)

Posted by: b | Jan 9 2011 15:12 utc | 7

Awful – what else is there to say about the crap like this happening in America?
Yesterday I found out a local guy brutally murdered his ex-wife over their 15 month-old kid on Friday. Sad, sick and just another example of how violent my country is. That it happened here, in the bucolic country setting I call home, breaks my heart. Times are only going to become crazier, and as they do, our slippery grasp on ‘civilization’ becomes even harder to hold.
How can the average person stay informed and keep ahead of the avalanche of lies and propaganda coming down upon their head daily? I have extra free time, I don’t have a TV and so I can spend hours floating along the Internet, trying to find the truth (at least what I think it is). What about all the poor slobs who are working two jobs to pay the bills, going to some sort of alcohol, drug, parenting, or anger management class because of a court judgement, and are getting their ‘facts’ from guys like Rush or watching daytime television? Those are the type that keep a civilization from becoming more civil, and though they are making their own bad choices, those bad choices are constantly being influenced by the greedy godhead of corporate America.
Until the god and guns types realize that watching loved ones being killed because of civil unrest/dictatorship isn’t pleasant, we’re going to see yet more insane crap. How far will Americans let their republic sink? I’m voting for all the way down…
Peace

Posted by: DaveS | Jan 9 2011 16:01 utc | 8

Woops :-). Sorry, b. I should have known better. (and read more carefully)

Posted by: Lysander | Jan 9 2011 16:46 utc | 9

Giffords is a Blue Dog democrat – who, in my opinion, are actually Republicans. A lot of them lost their seats in the last election, while the Democrats in the Progressive Caucus retained most of their seats.
She has a picture of a fighter jet on her web page.
I would not call her a liberal in any sense.
(and I realize the point of the post above – about how the US is lecturing other countries. Just felt I had to point out that Giffords is not a liberal.)

Posted by: Susan | Jan 9 2011 18:37 utc | 10

Susan, I was just ready to post a similar post:
Regarding the heading Assassination Of A Liberal in America, if one looks at G. Gifford’s record, and then looks at J. Loughner, it is hard to describe this in terms of “liberal” vs. “conservative”. But definitely, this tragic event is being used by various media to attack their opposition.
Rank for progressive voting record of Gabriel Gifford is 187 out of 193 Democrats at
progressivepunch.org

Posted by: Rick Happ | Jan 9 2011 18:47 utc | 11

debsisdead, you’re gonna get a fist in you weasel face. buncha fucking pimps.

Posted by: euclidcreek | Jan 9 2011 19:33 utc | 12

@DaveS while the murder close by may seem to be some sort of indication society is getting worse and more violent, the odds are high that this blokes crime probably falls within the range of ‘normal’ behaviour and is statistically insignificant.
Assholes have been treating their family like their personal possessions for a very long time, and the holiday season is the time when their violent excesses spike. It has been that way forever. The only real difference now is that people notice it more because the fight to reduce these types of horror has been twisted by the media into sensationalist scaremongering where every murder is written up as if the apocalypse is just around the corner.
Xmas 2009 in NZ saw a number of awful violent scenes as assholes tracked down their former families and kept only one of the thousands of promises they had made, the promise to “Kill them all” if they ever escaped. This year’s xmas didn’t feature any of those desperately sad stories. We caught a break, though there was no reason for it. Nothing had occurred in the interim to fix the fucked up men. There is an element of copycat-ism about this stuff as there is with so much big acting out suicides and homicides occur in clusters, often proportional to the amount of ink spilled writing them up.
There will probably be another attack on a politician somewhere soon, because this one became such big news. If only the perps could leave out the ordinary peeps and confine their homicidal urges to crooked pols and judges, “creep hunting” could become a new diversion for the masses.
Still that would mean every shit kicking tickler of a small town’s petty cash would soon be given a secret service escort which would increase the separation between the ruled and the rulers even further.
That will be the main upshot of this. Now citizens are gonna be made to pull over to the edge of the road and give way to every two bit pol and their entourage, just as Soviet citizens had to when a politiburo member went past.
p.s. would I be correct in supposing that the county sheriff belongs to the same half of the amerikan empire party as Giffords does?

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 9 2011 19:55 utc | 13

Debs–
I hear you. Yeah, that sums it up pretty well over here too.
I’m not sure what to make of the poster who said somethin’ about a fist in your face, sometimes the truth just hurts I suppose.
Peace

Posted by: DaveS | Jan 9 2011 20:37 utc | 14

As far as I am able to make out, not that I read much, but that fella’s Youtube offerings 1 (if it is the same man), show this is an absolutely typical, and real, lone-nut killing spree.
It is already creating an internet storm – he was a Tea Partier, no the Communist Manifesto was in in his fav book list — hate speech, or gun target pix, should be suppressed, it influences the mad or vulnerable — no free speech is essential for a vibrant! democracy, and on, on, on, ad nauseam.
The media will have a field day…and then what?
More security, more bodyguards, more distraction (see Uncle Scam’s post at 4 for ex.), more vicious Rep-Dem fights and finally … nothing.
Remember the guy who flew a plane into an IRS office? He at least had some wits and real beefs…
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/us/19crash.html
–good post b.
1 Type: Jared Lee Loughner in the YouTube search box.

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 9 2011 21:36 utc | 15

@DaveS I didn’t even notice that dropkick’s post until you mentioned it. The bloke is a bit like the derp currently squatting on another thread in here like it is a personal fiefdom, posting is really just a way of expressing their extreme misanthropy. Every post is a criticsm of whatever other human tries to engage with them. A discussion always regresses to an ad hominem character attack.
One of the crosses that we have to bear in any forum of radical ideas is the ‘daddy didn’t love me’ cohort Most of us sign up because we like our fellow humans & hate to see anyone anywhere copping the rough end of the pineapple. But some who hang around the fringes have come in because they have inverted their self hatred into a misanthropic loathing of all humans combined with a juvenile distrust of any organised structure even a resurrected website peopled by a vast diversity of individuals littered across the planet, will do in a pinch.
There isn’t any really effective way of dealing with these boring cases. Any attempt at ‘being nice’ only causes more invective. Since the primary target for their malice is themselves, anyone attempting to show the respect and courtesy due any other human is regarded as ‘proof’ that the appeaser is ‘wrong’ or ‘bad’ or deserving of a punch in the face since the appeaser seems to like that which the misanthrop hates the most.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 9 2011 23:09 utc | 16

Uncle $cam says, at 8:11:23 AM

“One thing for sure, the John P. Wheeler III story has effectively been buried.”

…as discussion of wheeler’s possible involvement in the B52 missing nuke starts to surface.
was wheeler gonna blow a whistle? …is the wheeler murder an attempt to intimidate assange? …heart attack, stroke, bad LSD trip? couldnt an autopsy clear those possibilities? …did the guy just get drunk and despaired, and walk out to the dump to shoot himself however many times in the head, like that gary webb guy?
i’m getting combat fatigue

Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 10 2011 4:44 utc | 17

About 149 results for “john wheeler” “securities exchange commission” “insider trading
from the SEC, July 22, 2004

“On Sept. 12, 2001, the Securities and Exchange Commission began an investigation to determine whether there was evidence that anyone who had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on September 11 sought to profit from that knowledge by trading in United States securities markets.
In the course of that review, we did not develop any evidence suggesting that anyone who had advance knowledge of the September 11 attacks traded on the basis of that information.

*shrug*

Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 10 2011 5:18 utc | 18

I have a policy to never mourn elites. There are exceptions, of course, Muhammad Ali (the boxer) being one of them. Another is Nelson Mandela. But besides that I do not give a rat’s ass if anyone politician dies or is assasinated, this woman included.
I looked up where Giffords gets her money from on opensecrets.org and found out that Pro-Israel PACs are ranked number 9 or 10 throughout her short career. So not only does she support Obama’s war in Afghanistan she supports the occupation of Palestine and the continued disspossesion of the Palestinian people.
So you want me to be sad that a Zionist got shot? HELL No.

Posted by: ndahi | Jan 10 2011 23:57 utc | 19

All,
Mother Jones magazine has an interview with one of Jared Loughner’s best friends:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message
Mark

Posted by: Mark Gaughan | Jan 11 2011 3:23 utc | 20

“Federal Judge John McCarthy Roll was the Chief Judge for the United States District Court for the District of Arizona who this past Friday issued what is called a “preliminary ruling” in a case titled “United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al” [Case Number: 4:2010cv00703 Filed: November 30, 2010] wherein he stated he was preparing to rule against Obama’s power to seize American citizens money without clear and convincing evidence of a crime being committed.
[Case Number: 4:2010cv00703 Filed: November 30, 2010] LINK http://dockets.justia.com/docket/arizona/a…cv00703/568697/ The case being ruled on by Judge Roll, was about bulk cash smuggling into or out of the United States that the Obama administration claimed was their right to seize under what are called Presidential Executive Orders, instead of using existing laws…..”

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2011 7:59 utc | 21

Digby“>http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/>Digby lists some 17 acts of right wing political violence over he last 2 years. And the common thread that runs through all these events, as expected, is a nativist orientation of using violence symbolically against the real or imagined power of government over-lording in individual people’s real or imagined lives. Except of course, all these shooters are then characterized as “crazy loners” and so therefore, not politically affiliated, or at least politically neutral, and the fact that all these acts have a common history is conveniently lost, unless one bothers to look at the long, long, long history of similarly related MO of fear and violence mongering by the right wing that reaches all the way back to the tribal social structure of the antebellum south.
This attitude has always been the paranoiac dark side of the American consciousness and as always, is reflective of both the preservation of that tribalism against the intrepid forces of encroaching modernity(& by implication big government) and the uniquely American model (exceptionalism) of using the politically backward looking as the primary political tool for maintaining and expanding elite dominion.
One could probably conclude that clinically, the deranged individuals that carry out these acts are indeed crazy, but crazy in a consistent and logical way, in that they are all typically paranoid and prone to delusional overreaction. That typifies as well, the deep seated social fear of big brother government, alien influences, if not the very foundation of modernity itself.

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 11 2011 8:30 utc | 22

According to law enforcement officials There is a surveillance video of the entire Gifford massacre. And again reconfirmed in this affidavit (PDF), but I highly suspect like every other national tragedy, big daddy gov-ment wont let the kiddies see it. Poppa knows best… move along children, nothing to see here.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2011 11:16 utc | 23

I’ll let Karl argue the second amendment

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
Here, unfortunately, is where The Left, and some on The Right, go off the rails.
It is often said that what happened in Tuscon, and what has happened in other places, is in some way an exercise of The Second Amendment.
Nothing could be further from the truth.

In point of fact The Second Amendment exists for exactly one purpose when it comes to the use of arms against the government, and one time – the time when there is an election and the government that is deposed by that election refuses to leave their offices, or worse, the current government decides there is to be no election at all.
That is the only time when the use of the Second Amendment is justified for other than the personal defense of self.

I think that sums it up pretty well. Read the whole piece because Karl does a pretty good job explaining to the idiots why they shouldn’t be shooting their ELECTED officials. Not all the gun nuts are nuts.
Peace

Posted by: DaveS | Jan 11 2011 11:56 utc | 24

a man walks into a restaurant, sits down, looks at a menu… there’s only two things on the menu, fried cow manure and boiled bullshit.
the man gets up and walks out in disgust as the waiter yells at him, “it’s you’re fault you’re still hungry! you didnt eat anything!”
meanwhile, democracy is the best system yet devised to enable predators to blame their prey.

Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 11 2011 13:18 utc | 25

re Wheeler –
The reports I’ve seen, that he was wandering around for a day or two, apparently cognitively impaired (looking for his car in a different garage than he left it in, declining offers of assistance), suggests illness (e.g. stroke) or injury rather than an assault by those trying to get him out of the way
– my reasoning being that, if it was a professional hit job, they would’ve wanted to finalize it rather than allow the possibility that he might be hospitalized and recover

Posted by: mistah charley, ph.d. | Jan 11 2011 13:34 utc | 26

“…he was wandering around for a day or two…”

maybe they (whoever “they” might be…) terrorized him into irrational behavior, and just happened to document that irrational behavior so they could discredit the guy later.
the problem is, once we’re under the thumb of people who have confessed their intentions to control information, and have such a dismal record of abusing people… well, there’s just no telling what really happened.
a couple days after 9/11, after i’d been driven to the internet to try to figure out what had happened, i was often stunned by some revelation or another, and would have to quit the internet and drink beer for a couple days to let my brains rewire themselves.
i finally took to assuming the worst i could think of, and usually that wasnt bad enough… something even worse would come up, and i’d have to drink more beer.
…which was okay by me.

Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 11 2011 13:49 utc | 27