Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 6, 2011
A New Torture Method

The Columbia Journalism Review has a recommendable piece about journalism in Afghanistan. Crossfire in Kandahar. Part of it is a tale of a journalist, Mohammad Nader, captured and interrogated by the U.S. military seemingly for talking on the phone to a Taliban spokesperson. The journalist is raided from his home at night, brought into a prison and gets interrogate every few hours.

Nader looked forward to the interrogations. His questioners seemed like good people, he told me, and the translators they worked with were particularly adept. The sessions also gave him an excuse to leave his cell, a dark room about ten feet long and eight feet wide. The cell disturbed him. Pictures occasionally appeared on the wall. Nader described them as photographs projected from somewhere else by means of a light beam or laser. One image showed a person with two broken legs. Later, a picture of a bloodstain appeared on the wall. Nader wondered if it was the blood of the prisoner who had occupied the cell before him. Another picture showed two dogs fighting. The stomach of one of the dogs was ripped open and puppies spilled out. Nader tried not to look at the images, lest he grow frightened. The doctor gave him sleeping pills, but he spent his three nights in NATO custody wide awake. Unfamiliar music played, and he could hear the voices of children calling, “Baba, baba!”—the Afghan word for father. He was convinced these were the voices of his own children, recorded somehow through his phone or another device the Americans had planted in his house.

Seeing pictures on the wall and hearing voices would be typical for a person who is in solitary confinement for some longer time. But Nader is only there for three days. He is an experienced cameraman and knows about pictures.

Could such things as projected pictures an the prison cell wall be some new method to put people "off balance" before interrogations? This seems like some "simulation" of the effects of solitary confinement in the hope of inducing the same helplessness and mental disturbance that solitary confinement induces. As such I could certainly be defined as torture.

The CJR writer later questions a high ranking U.S. press officer about this.

He declined to comment on Nader’s account of the disturbing pictures projected on the wall of his cell, except to say that NATO forces abide by the Geneva Conventions and by detention rules laid down in a U. S. Army field manual.

As we know the U.S. always says that it abides by the rules, even while it breaks them.

Nader's story sounds quite believable and, as we know, military interrogators have always been creative in their methods. But such methods are unlikely to be secret for long. Such things come home to roost. At latest when their use spills over into the United States as it inevitable will. Therefore, I believe, we will hear much more of this new torture method. Hopefully before someone becomes insane over seeing pictures on a prison wall.

Comments

As you say, b, quite believable, and evidently designed to disequilibrate. And couldn’t one argue it is actually humane? Certainly more humane than the alternative of actually bringing the children to the prison and threatening to harm them – no, pardon me, I meant offering the prisoner the chance to protect them from harm.

Posted by: mistah charley, ph.d. | Jan 6 2011 20:35 utc | 1

It’s ‘hear’ b, not ‘here’… It should read, “…I believe, we will hear much more of this new torture method.”
Hopefully before someone becomes insane over seeing pictures on a prison wall.
Someone already has b, back in 06, Monbiot wrote, Jose Padilla’s Mind has been Effectively Erased.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 6 2011 21:37 utc | 2

A minor quibble, but we all know that English is not b’s native language and I have always been quite impressed with his highly effective skill in communicating even with this handicap. I wish I could do anywhere near as well. b has been quite gracious in accepting corrections but I can easily read through his errors and I’m finding the corrections a little distracting. On the other hand maybe b is fully appreciative in the opportunity to advance his English language skills even further in which case I’ll just butt out. Rhetorical, no response expected. Just expressing my feelilngs.

Posted by: juannie | Jan 7 2011 2:43 utc | 3

what a weird way to get information from people. why do they think it’s more effective than a more rational approach?
i will have to read the whole article. sounds very sadistic.

Posted by: annie | Jan 7 2011 2:59 utc | 4

RE: “…sounds very sadistic”
By definition, Empire is a bloody, barbaric, murderous, endlessly cruel business. That is the business Obama wanted to run, and now he does.
~ Arthur Silber

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 7 2011 4:59 utc | 5

Ingmar Bergmans film the Serpent’s Egg Is one of the most prophetic prophecies of our time. Inmar looks at Post war Germany of the 1920’s and tells us the story of a few scientists who look into the behaviour of the human spirit vs. the human physical limits. A film in which the protagonist Abel Rosenberg and his brother’s widow Manuela Rosenberg find themselves unwitting subjects of medical experiments which include gassing with chemicals that induce severe psychotic states as they stay in living quarters which they later find out have one way viewing mirrors they are disguised laboratories. This film, whose action takes place in Berlin during the nineteen-twenties ominously announces the evils to come by way of its title: the serpents egg has a thin membrane through which one can see the monstrous creature forming inside. But, films which deal with the Shoah, and with Auschwitz in particular, even though the whole excuse for building the camps in the first place, was a medical one, and at that camp the life and death selections were done by doctors…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 7 2011 5:45 utc | 6

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Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 7 2011 6:16 utc | 7

U$, funny you mention Bergman… I just watched Indiscreet with her and Cary Grant, made in 1958. Basically a film to sell NATO to skeptical americans, but it mentions climate change and talks about currencies too. Funny how blatant they pushed their propaganda back then, not slick, not slick at all.

Posted by: DaveS | Jan 7 2011 6:40 utc | 8

New torture? Why not? If so, it is an extension of ordinary propaganda and attempts at creating sweeping attitude change, as well as some advertising, as practiced for decades by image makers on the TV. Broken people, crying babies, and the like, are a main staple.

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 7 2011 17:06 utc | 9

Annie: sounds sadistic
Yes, there must a large element of sadism by these agents of empire even though these interrogators may believe they are choosing the “rational” method. With U.S. culture so degraded, it is certainly plausible that these background visual and audial stimuli are some new method of ‘softening’ .
“Coming soon to a theater near you!”

Posted by: Rick Happ | Jan 8 2011 1:33 utc | 10

The torture practiced by the US has never been about gathering information; it’s about disseminating information- ad baculum information. This is why it’s been pretty much an open secret.

Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 8 2011 4:46 utc | 11

he’d watched the cessna become a dot, then vanish.
“I remember seeing proofs of a CIA interrogation manual, something we’d been sent unofficially, for comment,” the old man said. “The first chapter laid out the ways in which torture is fundamentally counterproductive to intelligence. The argument had nothing to do with ethics, everything to do with quality of product, with not squandering potential assets.” He removed his steel-rimmed glasses. “If the man who keeps returning to question you avoids behaving as if he were your enemy, you begin to lose your sense of who you are. Gradually, in the crisis of self that your captivity becomes, he guides you in your discovery of who you are becoming.”
“Did you interrogate people?” asked Garreth, the black Pelican case under his feet.
“It’s an intimate process,” the old man said. “Entirely about intimacy.” He spread his hand, held it, as if above an invisible flame. “An ordinary cigarette lighter will cause a man to tell you anything, whatever he thinks you want to hear.” He lowered his hand. “And will prevent him ever trusting you again, even slightly. And will confirm him, in his sense of self, as few things will.” He tapped the folded paper. “When I first saw what they were doing, I knew that they’d turned the SERE lessons inside out. That meant we were using techniques the Koreans had specifically developed in order to prepare prisoners for show trials.”

spook country william gibson

Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 8 2011 5:07 utc | 12

the old man fell silent.
tito heard the lapping of waves… this was still america, they said.

Posted by: flickervertigo | Jan 8 2011 5:30 utc | 13

I dunno how many non-Australians are familiar with the David Hicks story, a young bloke who it seemed for a long time would get a worse deal than John Walker Lindh, but who eventually got freed. After many years in Guantanamo Bay.
He copped a lot from the Oz prime minster who used enjoy his life up George W Bush’s asshole. The Labour opposition did their usual of being non-committal in front of too many people, re-assuring Hick’s supporters ‘they would sort it out once they won power, then climbing up amerikan ass once they did win power, albeit not quite as far as John Howard.
Hick’s was worn down with torture so when in the dying days of the Dubya tenure he took a deal that meant he would hafta plead guilty to a crime to Dubya’s reconstituted ‘military commissions’, some people expressed disappointment that he had ‘given in’.
Of course those same people hadn’t had to suffer the torture Hicks had to and his choice of taking a deal which would mean he would (a) be returned to Australia and (b) get released within 12 months would have been a no-brainer if those who expressed their ‘disappointment’ had any idea of what a two faced lackey to the oligarch one Barak Oblamblam would show himself to be.
If Hicks hadn’t taken that deal he could still be locked up since oblamblam appears to regard protecting torturers as his chief priority when considering the fate of Guantanamo and it’s victims.
Sometime back in the 80’s when ‘celebrity gangsters’ like Jimmy ‘Paddles’ Anderson, “Machinegun” Joe Meisner and Christopher ‘Rentokill’ Flannery were publishing their memoirs and embarassing the politicians they had been paying off for decades, the Oz govt passed a law which declared that royalties from any book which detailed the author’s involvement in a criminal activity would be confiscated as ‘the proceeds of crime’.
I dunno how successfully that act was enforced it seems to be the sort of ill considered unenforceable legislation which makes barristers rich, but when Hicks signed his deal Deputy howard made him sign something about any royalties from his ‘terrorism’ being verboten, couldn’t be left to his kids or charity etc.
A lot of water has passed under the bridge since then not the least of which has been the near certainty that Hicks will seek to have the conviction overturned, and the statements of a range of legal experts that “You can’t proceed unless you actually know that Hicks is profiting. Unless that can be shown then there’s no basis to make an order against him.”
So his memoir titled “Guantanamo, My Journey” has been on sale for a couple of months. I haven’t had time to get stuck into it yet, but hope to do so this week.
The damned thing was wrapped up in all sorts of crappy DRM but that appears to have fallen off and I have put a couple of links up on the understanding that people who read the thing will find a way to ensure the author or one of the organisations which helped him get free cop a dollar or two for their troubles.
The publisher is Random House andI’m buggered if I’m gonna let that mob of greedheads cop an earn from an atrocity which their corporate capitalist monopoly helped instigate.
the epub can be found here
and the pdf version is over there

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 9 2011 4:12 utc | 14