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December 15, 2010
Korea War II?

What is the cause of the recent flare up of tensions between the two Koreas?

One of my theory says that this is an Obama administration ploy to put pressure on China. This to achieve a Yuan revaluation that in the end is hoped to lower the U.S. trade deficit and revive its economy.

The economic part of this would unlikely work as hoped for. When Japan was pressed in the 1980s to increase the value of the Yen the U.S. trade deficit with Japan widened.

But besides that any tensions, even artificial ones, in the area are extremely dangerous as both Koreas are not under real control of their hegemonic overlords and things may just get out of hand with very serious consequences. The North, relying on a self sustenance ideology (juche), may not respect any restraining order it gets from Beijing and the very hawkish South Korean president Lee Myung-bak may escalate any situation without first asking for Washington's okay.

After his election Lee Myung-bak stopped nearly all cooperation and agreements with the North. While the "western" tale says that the South Korean ship Cheonan was sunk by a North Korean submarine I, like the Russians, have serious doubt that this is what really happened. The recent artillery exchange between the North and the South came after not necessarily helpful firing of South Korean artillery very near to the northern border. Are we sure that none of those first barrage rounds actually landed in North Korean territory?

Currently we are seeing a strong military buildup. The U.S. is deploying Joint STAR ground surveillance planes. The aircraft carrier group around the USS George Washington is deployed to the south-west of Korea while the carrier group of the USS Ronald Reagan is on its way to the area. Recently the so far biggest ever U.S. navy maneuver with the Japanese navy was immediately followed by one with the South Korean navy. The U.S. air force now transfers 30,000 tons of jet fuel from Japan to South Korea while the U.S. army is pre-positioning additional equipment in South Korea. South Korea is holding a nationwide emergency drill.

While that all may be part of some show Russia alerting its far-east forces is something different.

The current propaganda from the North has more bluster than usual:

A second Korean War would not fail to disappoint Western experts who wish to see Kim Jong-eun given an opportunity to prove his unprecedented military genius. He would preside over the evaporation of the world's sole superpower in the first thermonuclear exchange ever fought on the spaceship Earth.

That would certainly not happen. But any escalation would likely include a serious land war which South Korea and the U.S. may well "win" in the first few days, but in which any fast "victory" would immediately degrade into a protracted guerrilla war with China feeding whatever may be needed to its North Korean allies to keep the U.S. away from its borders.

Obama must pull the South Koreans back or this might explode very violently.

Comments

not that i have any right to correct b but it is – borders
hope yr well

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 15 2010 20:19 utc | 1

N Korea thinks it is on par with US military might:

[…] North Korea today is a far cry from what it was in 1950s. Fortress North Korea can withstand thermonuclear strikes and shoot down 80-90% of enemy warplanes, missiles and cruise missiles.
Fortress North Korea can easily sink nuclear-powered American aircraft carriers and reach metropolitan US with long-range missiles. […]

Dangerously delusional?

Posted by: Juan Moment | Dec 16 2010 0:13 utc | 2

So… the webpage just tells me “We’re sorry. We cannot accept this data” when I try to post now?

Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 16 2010 1:50 utc | 3

That worked. I’ll try again.
This has been debated a bit at LeSpeakeasy, but I don’t mind resuming the conversation here.
Yes, the situation is a bit tense. Yes, NoKo is dangerously delusional… and acts of provocation seem to be a rite in their dynastic succession process (because of the format of this site, I am informed that I have to keep my number of external links confined to a minimum… but 1987’s bombing of Korean Air flight 858 and a few assassination attempts against South Korean officials seem to have played a part of Kim Jong-il’s years of establishing his bona fides while waiting for his father to die.) While I agree that the jury is still out regarding the events that led to the sinking of the corvette Cheonan earlier this year, let’s not fall into the trap of viewing things in black and white terms of white hats and black hats. SoKo has made mistakes in the past with artillery fire (even when tensions are running high), but usually comes clean about it and NoKo doesn’t usually respond. The shelling of Yeonpyeong Island was certainly NOT the result of jittery nerves due to a stray artillery shell, but rather a very deliberate act coming directly from Pyongyang to announce its new up-and-comer.
Noko is not some innocent bystander who the rest of the world has decided to make a whipping boy of… they are collectively batshit insane. Let’s be further clear that the quasi-Stalinist, allegedly left-leaning underdog image some people like to cultivate about them could not be further from the truth. The “Communism” and ridiculously hollow pseudo-doctrine of juche is now and always has been nothing more than a whitewash for racism, insanely hawkish militarism and a disparity in the standard of living between the elite and the proletariat that puts the policies of Washington, D.C. to shame (Think of juche being used in the same way that the certain folk use the phrase “family values” in the USA, and you’d come closer to what it actually means.)
As I said, however, there are no white hats and black hats in this equation. Soko’s President Lee Myung-bak is Asia’s answer to George Bush in terms of a bizarre combination of avarice, corporate corruption and hawkishness (as a matter of fact, it’s probably just easier if one thinks of SoKo’s Grand National Party as neocons… except they come from a tradition in which assassinating their rivals, ordering massacres against their own people and miltary coups are matters of very, very ecent memory.) So before one allows their confirmation bias to select a team to root for here, please bear in mind that this is not a contest between the right-wing South and the left-wing North; It is a contest between the hard-right batshit southern democracy and the hard-right batshit northern dictatorship.
As for who the players in this will be and the extent of the damage, it is true that the mountainous countryside would make ideal territory for a protracted guerilla campaign… if the fighters were not starving, coordinated, and moderately well supplied. North Koreans, on the other hand are starving, would have very little telecommunication ability with which to coordinate their movements after their central bureaucracy took some hits, and, according to Wikileaks, there’s some question now about who might be willing to supply them. I would personally imagine that, given a free hand, SoKo would go back to Douglas MacArthur’s scorched earth plan (although probably not with the atomic weapons he apparently wanted) and spend the next few years rounding up and disposing of vast numbers of anyone who even looked like they might be a NoKo sympathizer. They do have a history of that kind of thing, you know.

Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 16 2010 1:51 utc | 4

I just clicked on my old bookmark out of habit and found that you’re back! Such a pleasant surprise, and thanks.

Posted by: Lysander | Dec 16 2010 2:11 utc | 5

Wow, Monolycus, your insight is excellent, as always.
Notwithstanding the unsavory characteristics of both N and S Korean leadership, though, I share b’s and others concerns that it could spin out of control at a time when the last thing the world needs is more war – especially with China, the U.S. and Russia all trying to gain advantage or avoid losing current positions.

Posted by: Maxcrat | Dec 16 2010 3:13 utc | 6

@r’giap. thanks – corrections are always welcome
@Monolycus – I mostly agree. I do not rout for the north. That system should come down and will. But what is happening now seems to be leading to a unnecessary war that the North, in my opinion, doesn’t want right now. They may be delusional, but they are not crazy. I am wondering why the U.S. is backing escalations form the south instead cooling it down.
This is again the dangerous case were a big power is taken hostage by a small allied power and its rulers. Unlike in the case of Georgia which was no official U.S. ally, a fight in Korea would include U.S. participation making it a big ugly mess. As for chances to win in a guerrilla fight I think that’s unpredictable. Reading about the 1st Korea war gives me some doubt there.
That wikileaks cable about China’s standpoint to North Korea. China would support unification. But U.S. troops at the Chinese border? I doubt it would agree to that.

Posted by: b | Dec 16 2010 6:07 utc | 7

What worries me slightly is the relative silence / quietness of the Japanese establishment in this matter (Western Japan where I live is close to the front after all). In the past they always went blustering noisily. Atm nearly nothing (appart from the 1st week or so after the shelling). It is as if there is a tacit agreement somewhere… The government repeats what the US wants it to tell.
True, there was that big exercise, but that was something planned in advance. The media gave some more echo on subject than usual. But note also that they framed the exercise as mostly oriented towards (against) China – remember also the Senkaku incident in September in this context. The PM made some flap about sending Jpn Selfdefense Forces to rescue Jpn citizens in Korea (most media laughed at it).
For the whole context, the US has been much more agressive in its presence around China (except Taiwan) over the past year – stoking fear of China mostly. I doubt it will bring them much benefit, economically or politically, in the medium to long run.
As for that Wikileaks memo, I would take it with a grain of salt, at the minimum. Sure they are not happy with the neighbour, but I seriously doubt they’d love to see US troops close to their border. And regarding of NoKo’s regime and eventual Korean reunification, one expensive question is rarely touched upon: who’s gonna pay ? SoKo’s economy isn’t running that well, last I checked. China would sure prefer to avoid a flood of refugees. The German Reunification was an expensive affair that happened in a better economical environment, and W. Germany was a much richer country.

Posted by: philippe | Dec 16 2010 6:46 utc | 8

The issue of China’s attitude towards Americans north of the DMZ and their take on refugees was dealt with in the Wikileak (They don’t want to see it, and they will absorb 300,000 before sealing the border with a military barricade.) But where, precisely, are you getting this information about SoKo’s economy not running well, Philippe? That’s news to me, and since I am still being paid in KRW, I’d appreciate a source for that.
Anyway, make of the Wikileak what you will. Efforts are already underway to smooth over the diplomacy gaffe between China and the DPRK that has resulted from it.
To answer the question posed by the OP (“What is the cause of the recent flare up of tensions between the two Koreas?”), the answer is simply bad timing. Once again, I’m getting this from Wikileaks, but Jong-il apparently lost his mind after his stroke last August and starting pushing hard to get the succession for his highly unpopular son underway to avoid the very power vacuum scenario I wrote about at LeSpeakeasy. Unfortunately, his son is SO unpopular, that this has motivated a slew of highly placed NoKo officials to defect to South Korea, leaving administration in Pyongyang something of a mess. Meanwhile, an antiobiotic-resistant TB outbreak in the very far north (probably introduced at the Najin-Sonbong Free Trade Zone near Khasan, Russia) has been exacerbating the endemic starvation problems that the country’s feeble healthcare system has already not been dealing with. In short, the place is fucked and the folk that aren’t leaving outright are dying on the spot, and the absolute brilliance of their recent currency reform has left them beyond bankrupt.
The solution in the past for their woes has been to rattle their sabre and bring everybody (USA, Russia, China, Japan and South Korea) to the table to offer them desperately needed pacification. Well, that was in the days before South Korea had sixty years of incident fatigue, the US wasn’t running out of places to justify defense spending, The Soviet Union was still around, and China still gave a shit about maintaining the appearance of a buffer zone (sorry, Philippe, Japan is as germane to this story as Australia… who would also drop what they were doing to kick North Korea to the curb given half an excuse.)
Now throw on top of all of this perfect storm of fuck-uppery Jong-il’s fat and sassy baby boy Jong-eun… who really, REALLY has to legitimize himself with some huge act of antagonism to cement his claim to the position or fight for his political and literal life with some very, very unhappy loyalist generals… and a South Korean President who ran for election primarily because it was pretty much the only way to make his indictments for corruption during his days as CEO of Hyundai go away… and you’ve got a festering maelstrom of potential hurt just waiting to happen.
That’s why this is coming to a head now of all times. If Obama can use this as leverage against China, as b suggests, that’s just opportunistic icing on the cake… but he can’t claim to have orchestrated it.

Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 16 2010 10:51 utc | 9

This site pretty much agrees with your analysis Monolycus, adds however another potential reason for why N Korea is acting as it does, including it since escalating the rhetoric to the point of first time openly threatening a nuclear response if attacked by US Korea.

[…] Those who give North Koreans the credit of strategic thinking ability will also see a connection between November 23 and the visit by Sigfried Hecker to Yongbyon on November 12. The nuclear expert was shown facilities that strongly suggest the existence of a highly enriched uranium program in North Korea—one that is surprisingly well developed. Now, this is of course not an accidental observation. Hecker became, unintentionally, the messenger of Pyongyang. Here is the message: We finally want to achieve results in our relations with the United States. On North Korea’s wish list are economic aid, the end of sanctions, access to international finance and trade, the establishment of diplomatic relations with Washington, recognition as a nuclear power, and a peace treaty to end the Korean War. The latter would include some financial compensation.
Against this backdrop, the incident on November 23 looks like an attempt to exclude Seoul from possible negotiations. After such a grave incident, it is impossible for President Lee Myung Bak to sit at the same table with North Korea. Domestic sentiment against such appeasement is too strong. And even if he manages to swallow his pride, North Korea can and will repeat the argument that the South fired first and hence as the aggressor, is not qualified as a dialogue partner. In the eyes of Pyongyang, Japan lost this status long ago. What remains then, are the long aspired quasi-bilateral talks with the United States, represented by a weakened President Obama and supported by Beijing. China would in that case be regarded by North Korea as an ally, which is not necessarily a misperception. And clearly, Beijing’s interest in finding a solution to this permanent crisis has just grown.

I always thought the Chinese administration would have to picture a joint Korea as a never ending pain in the ass. No matter which way the unification cookie would crumble, the Chinese can only lose. Better to have a more or less manageable client state at your door step, ready to do its part in weakening the US role in Asia, than a unified Korea in which the South absorbs the North.

And regarding of NoKo’s regime and eventual Korean reunification, one expensive question is rarely touched upon: who’s gonna pay ? SoKo’s economy isn’t running that well, last I checked. China would sure prefer to avoid a flood of refugees. The German Reunification was an expensive affair that happened in a better economical environment, and W. Germany was a much richer country.

I don’t think reunification like in Germany is on the cards anytime soon, judging by recent history if anything it’ll be normalisation of relationships between the two countries, with a gradual increase in goods traded and relatives visiting programs. My guess is that for the two halves to become one Korea again it will take as long as it takes China to be in the position to ensure it happens on its terms.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Dec 16 2010 13:37 utc | 10

@JM – I agree with this part of 38 North analysis:

Here is the message: We finally want to achieve results in our relations with the United States. On North Korea’s wish list are economic aid, the end of sanctions, access to international finance and trade, the establishment of diplomatic relations with Washington, recognition as a nuclear power, and a peace treaty to end the Korean War. The latter would include some financial compensation.

The Heckler report said so much. There was an serious offer from NoKo to negotiate delivered through him and his colleague.
But when 38North then says:

Against this backdrop, the incident on November 23 looks like an attempt to exclude Seoul from possible negotiations. After such a grave incident, it is impossible for President Lee Myung Bak to sit at the same table with North Korea.

I don’t think that is the only interpretation. The incident makes US-NoKo negotiations less possible. There was nothing to win for NoKo to do a provocation like this.
It might as well have been a South Korean move to sabotage any potential chance of US-NoKo negotiation. That at least was my first idea when I heard of the incident …

Posted by: b | Dec 16 2010 14:10 utc | 11

But where, precisely, are you getting this information about SoKo’s economy not running well, Philippe?

I’M not claiming at allthat the SoKo economy is running badly (it runs decently well, afaics), but I doubt it has a strong enough backbone to absorb the NoKo mess. And just as the Japanese economy, the SoKo economy is highly dependent on exports to China (and the US). Both (SokO & Jpn I mean) live curently in a bubble of sorts, partly created by the ‘easy money’ flowing in as a side effect of Bernake’s QE 1+2.

sorry, Philippe, Japan is as germane to this story as Australia

Japan is a direct partner in the whole sorry mess, by virtue of being the rear guard for the us forces in the region, by virtue of being one of the pawns used by NoKo in their negotiation game, by virtue of being close enough to easily target militarily – no I don’t mean rockets here, but paralel or asymmetric warfare), etc. Oh na d the little issue of the WW2 legacy and large Noko community in Jpn.
I don’t see those incidents solely as soko/noko affair, personally. JM mentions the Heckler report (which was, iirc about a LEU facility) and it’s implied offer to talk with the US; there was over the summer a highly publicised visit to JPN of an ex-spy, apparently with the purpose of presenting information about the abductees issue – was there some additional purpose there ? The way it was presented in the media never made much sense. The NoKo establishment and the Kims in particular may be bat shit crazy and suicidal but they still trying to earn a little on the side. OTOH the US is certainly not a disinterested participant and tehy are using every possible (possibly manufactured) incident to tighten their ‘string of pearls’ around China.

And then mostly I agree with Juan Moment’s last paragraph above; I tried to imply as much when raising the issue of money – the reunification of the 2 Koreas is a long term prospect.

Posted by: philippe | Dec 16 2010 15:03 utc | 12

Rereading the Hecker Nov 2010 report of his visit to the new enrichment facilty in North Korea. He closes:

It is possible that Pyonyang’s latest
moves are directed primarily at eventually generating much-needed electricity. Yet, the
military potential of uranium enrichment technology is serious. It is clear that waiting
patiently for Pyongyang to return to the Six-Party talks on terms acceptable to the United
States and its allies will exacerbate the problem. A military attack is out of the question.
Tightening sanctions further is likewise a dead end, particularly given the advances made
in their nuclear program and the economic improvements we saw in general in
Pyongyang
. The only hope appears to be engagement. The United States and its partners
should respond to the latest nuclear developments so as to encourage Pyongyang to
finally pursue nuclear electricity in lieu of the bomb. That will require addressing North
Korea’s underlying insecurity. A high-level North Korean government official told us
that the October 2000 Joint Communiqué, which brought Secretary Madeleine Albright
to Pyongyang, is a good place to start.

The “economic basket case” as which NoKo is usually portrayed doesn’t fit with the first bold part. And the artillery exchange somehow doesn’t fit with the second bold part. Your mileage may differ …

Posted by: b | Dec 16 2010 17:51 utc | 13

The reporting of apparent economic improvement is interesting… and runs counter to everything that I’d be reading about recent developments. That could have used a bit more exposition because I’m tempted now to believe that inspectors get marched through some Potemkin villages.

Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 16 2010 23:36 utc | 14

to believe that inspectors get marched through some Potemkin villages.
Heckler has been in NoKo several times. He was boss of the Los Alamos laboratories. I doubt he would fall for Potemkin villages.

Posted by: b | Dec 17 2010 16:13 utc | 15

South Korea is planning to repeat the artillery ‘drills’ in Yeonpyeong that triggered the response from North Korea. All the other drillings in the last weeks have in ‘safer’ places. North Korea has issued a clear statement that if the action is repeated they will answer there or somewhere else.
Now Moscow has called both the US and South Korea ambassadors and made a strong request to stop the artillery drills and avoid further increase of the tension in the region. I’m reading this from Europapress.

Posted by: ThePaper | Dec 17 2010 18:20 utc | 16

China Warns Possible Korea Clash Could Hurt Region

BEIJING (Reuters) – China warned on Saturday that a possible fresh clash between North and South Korea could shake regional stability and it urged both governments to avoid moves that it said would stoke tensions.
Reflecting Beijing’s hands-off stance toward the volatile rift between the two sides of the Korean Peninsula, the statement from Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu neither directly criticized Seoul’s plans to stage a live-fire military drill nor Pyongyang’s threat to strike if the drill goes ahead.
But Jiang’s statement, issued on the Ministry’s website (www.mfa.gov.cn), made plain that Beijing fears a repeat of the confrontation that erupted last month, when North Korea shelled a South Korean island after Seoul staged a military drill.
“The situation on the Korean peninsula is now particularly complex and sensitive, and China is highly concerned,” Jiang said.
“If a bloody clash breaks out on the peninsula, the first to suffer will be the people on both sides of the peninsula, and it would also certainly wreck regional peace and stability, harming surrounding countries.”

North Korea Warns South on Drills

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — South Korea said Saturday it will go ahead with artillery drills on a border island shelled by North Korea last month despite Pyongyang’s threat to retaliate again, as Russia and China expressed concerns over tension on the volatile peninsula.
The North warned on Friday it will strike even harder than before if the South went ahead with its planned drill. Four people died last month in the North’s attack on Yeonpyeong Island near the tense sea border.
The U.S. supports South Korea, saying the country has a right to conduct such a military exercise. However, Russia’s Foreign Ministry expressed its “extreme concern” Friday over the drills and urged South Korea to cancel them to prevent a further escalation of tension.
China, the North’s key ally, also said it is firmly opposed to any acts that could worsen already-high tension on the Korean peninsula. “In regard to what could lead to worsening the situation or any escalation of acts of sabotage of regional peace and stability, China is firmly and unambiguously opposed,” Chines Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Jiang Yu said in a statement Saturday.
South Korea’s Joint Chiefs of Staff said Saturday marines on the drills would push ahead with the drills as scheduled and the military is ready to respond to any possible provocation.

Seems like these idiots really want to start a war.

Posted by: b | Dec 18 2010 5:01 utc | 17

Defending Korea Line Seen Contrary to Law by Kissinger Remains U.S. Policy

The sea border that has become the main battleground between North and South Korea 57 years after it was imposed by a U.S. general has been called legally indefensible by American officials for more than three decades.
Then-Secretary of State Henry Kissinger wrote in a 1975 classified cable that the unilaterally drawn Northern Limit Line was “clearly contrary to international law.” Two years before, the American ambassador said in another cable that many nations would view South Korea and its U.S. ally as “in the wrong” if clashes occurred in disputed areas along the boundary.

Posted by: b | Dec 18 2010 5:16 utc | 18

Given that North Korea will be forced to answer the artillery drills on the Yeonpyeong island or lose face. And that the hawkish South Korea government already approved after the previous artillery ‘exchange’, that they would use their air force to bomb objectives inside North Korea as a ‘proportional’ response. The elements for a escalation to full war are there.
There isn’t much to bomb in North Korea of ‘value’ other than military posts so if they go beyond bombing frontier outposts or bunkers North Korea may be inclined to start firing what there is of much value and at readily at hand South Korea: Seul. And then I don’t see how full war, and the destruction of much of Korea, could be stopped.
Meanwhile the US ambassador in South Korea asks the North Korea government for restraining (losing face) and supports South Korea to go ahead and their right to bomb one of the most dangerous human drawn (actually US drawn) frontiers in the world. So it’s pretty clear who is taking sides with full knowledge of the consequences.

Posted by: ThePaper | Dec 18 2010 7:49 utc | 19

Crisis, for now, averted: Bad weather delays South Korean artillery drills near border with North
Stupid excuse of course – artillery doesn’t care about weather …

Posted by: b | Dec 18 2010 8:29 utc | 20

The clashes may have been @postponed (bad weather ? wtf) – but meanwhile in the Yellow sea, Chinese fishermen clashed with SoKo navy:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12026765
A repeat of the Senkaku incident ?

Posted by: philippe | Dec 18 2010 14:40 utc | 21

U.N. Council Meeting on Koreas Likely Sunday

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) – The U.N. Security Council is likely to convene an emergency session on Sunday on the escalating tension between North and South Korea, council diplomats said on Saturday.

The meeting was called at the request of Russia, an envoy said. It was unclear what the 15-member council planned to do. Diplomats said they hoped to issue some kind of statement to help ease the tension in the region.
Bad weather on Saturday appeared likely to delay a live-fire exercise by South Korean marines that has drawn North Korean threats of another military attack.

The Russian’s seem to be the sane one in this crisis.

Posted by: b | Dec 18 2010 19:25 utc | 22

Getting a bit testy again?: N. Korea beefs up military preparedness on west coast before S. Korea’s firing drill: source
Seoul vows to proceed with firing drill as UNSC meets to defuse tension

“The live-fire drill off Yeonpyeong Island will take place on Dec. 20 or 21, as previously announced, depending on weather conditions,” a ranking military official in Seoul said Sunday.

Hard to save face after talking tough. Likely to get bloody now.

Posted by: b | Dec 19 2010 19:22 utc | 23

Here we go…
al-jazeera is covering the drill live
You can’t save your ass and your face at the same time, as the saying goes…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 20 2010 4:44 utc | 24

At UN on Korea, 8 Hours Result in No Statement, Calls for Ban Envoy, ROK Exercise

UNITED NATIONS, December 19 — After eight hours of Korea meetings, the UN Security Council was unable to agree to any press statement. Council President Susan Rice said that while “most members” agreed to condemn North Korea for the November 23 island shelling, “consensus was not possible.” This was China, according to numerous Western diplomats.
Russia’s Vitaly Churkin against blamed the Council Presidency for denying his request for as Saturday rather than Sunday meeting, saying that would have given more time to reach an agreed statement before the military exercises South Korea has scheduled for Monday.
Inner City Press asked Ambassador Rice to respond to Churkin’s statement about the denied meeting. She answered that several important Council members had asked for more time. In a seemingly contradictory answer, she said that since nothing had been agreed to since November 23, an extra day would not have made a difference. But why then was “more time” before a Saturday meeting needed?

Posted by: b | Dec 20 2010 6:44 utc | 25

But why then was “more time” before a Saturday meeting needed?
Because these fuckers lie with impunity…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 20 2010 7:05 utc | 26

But why then was “more time” before a Saturday meeting needed?
Because these fuckers lie with impunity…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 20 2010 7:05 utc | 27

NKorea says it won’t retaliate for SKorean drills

Source: AP
By HYUNG-JIN KIM and AHN YOUNG-JOON Associated Press © 2010 The Associated Press
Dec. 20, 2010, 4:14AM
YEONPYEONG ISLAND, South Korea — North Korea calls South Korean artillery drills on a front-line island a “reckless military provocation” but says it won’t retaliate, as it had threatened.
The North said Monday after the 90-minute drills ended that it resisted striking back because Seoul changed its firing zones.
The official Korean Central News Agency statement suggested that the North viewed Monday’s drills differently from ones last month because South Korean shells landed farther south of the North’s shores.

Face saved…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 20 2010 11:56 utc | 28