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Indeed…
Get Your Own Holocaust! This One’s Ours!
No Gypsies, Tramps, Thieves Allowed at Brooklyn Holocaust Memorial
By Pareene, 11:53 AM on Mon Jun 8 2009, 8,723 views
Everyone knows (many people don’t know) that the Nazis also exterminated homosexuals, gypsies, and Jehovah’s Witnesses, so there is no reason to include that information on a Brooklyn Holocaust Memorial. Assemblyman Dov Hikind is fighting to keep the memorial pure!
City officials approved the addition of markers honoring some of those non-Jewish victims of the Nazis. But if this Sheepshead Bay memorial mentions the millions of non-Jews killed in the Holocaust, everyone will forget about the Jews, and then there will probably be some pogroms, or something.
“To include these other groups diminishes their memory,” said Hikind, as he stood next to his 89-year-old mother, Frieda.
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“These people are not in the same category as Jewish people with regards to the Holocaust,” Hikind said following a press conference at the memorial. “It is so vastly different. You cannot compare political prisoners with Jewish victims.”
No, you certainly cannot, especially if you’re a real dick.
Hat tip to AlicetheKurious for this…
[Alice — my second favorite comment (my first favorite is this thread’s title):
“We don’t wish to take other people’s memorials, only to create small settlements on them which, then, must be allowed natural growth.”]
You’d never know it, but…
The “other groups”:
Poles and other Slavs
Poles were at first the target of extermination by Hitler. See his Armenian quote.
Slavic people were targeted by the Nazis, mostly intellectuals and prominent people, although there were some mass murders and instances of genocide (see the article about Croatian Ustashe as the most notorious example). Slavic victims are numbered at 26 000 000.
During Operation Barbarossa, the German invasion of the Soviet Union 1941-1944, hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Russian army POWs were arbitrarily executed in the field by the invading German armies, in particular by the notorious Waffen S.S., or were shipped to extermination camps for execution simply because they were of Slavic extraction. Thousands of Russian peasant villages were annihilated by German troops for more or less the same reason.
Gypsies
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Hitler’s campaign of genocide against the Roma people of Europe was seen by many as a particularly bizarre application of Nazi racial science. German anthropologists were forced to contend with the fact that Gypsies were descendants of the original Aryan invaders of India, who made their way back to Europe. Ironically, this made them no less Aryan than the German people itself, in practice if not in theory. This dilemma was resolved by Professor Hans Gunther, a leading racial scientist, who wrote:
“The Gypsies have indeed retained some elements from their Nordic home, but they are descended from the lowest classes of the population in that region. In the course of their migration, they absorbed the blood of the surrounding peoples, thus becoming an Oriental, West-Asiatic racial mixture with an addition of Indian, mid-Asiatic, and European strains.”
As a result, however, and despite discriminatory measures, some groups of Roma, including the Sinti and Lalleri tribes of Germany, were spared deportation and death. Remaining Gypsy groups suffered much like the Jews (and in some instances, were degraded even more than Jews). In Eastern Europe, Gypsies were deported to the Jewish ghettoes, shot by SS Einsatzgruppen in their villages, and deported and gassed in Auschwitz and Treblinka.
Others
Homosexuals were another of the groups targeted during the time of the Holocaust. However, the Nazi party made no attempt to exterminate all homosexuals; according to Nazi law, being homosexual itself was not grounds for arrest. Some prominent members of the Nazi leadership were known to other Nazi leaders to be homosexual, which may account for the fact that the leadership offered mixed signals on how to deal with homosexuals. Some leaders clearly wanted homosexuals exterminated; others wanted them left alone, while others wanted laws against homosexual acts enforced, but otherwise allowed homosexuals to live as other citizens did.
Estimates vary wildly as to the number of homosexuals killed, because of the specific reason of being homosexual. Most estimates give number around 10,000. The larger numbers include those who were Jewish and homosexual, or even Jewish, homosexual and communist. In addition, records as to the reasons for internment remain non-existent in many areas. See Homosexuals in Nazi Germany for more information.
Around 2000 Jehovah’s Witnesses perished in concentration camps, where they were held for political and ideological reasons, as they refused involvement in politics, would not say “Heil Hitler” and did not serve in the German army. – See Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Holocaust.
On August 18, 1941, Adolf Hitler ordered an end to the systematic euthanasia of mentally ill and handicapped people due to protests within Germany. …
The Blessing Is Next To The Wound, one only need look…
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 10 2009 5:03 utc | 21
uncle scam I wrote this before your post appeared being these days slow …and was happy to see it…anyway here is what i wrote yesterday but didn ‘t finish check etc:
Gazans have been written out of the human family, from the article posted by b, at Mondoweiss.
That is exactly right.
The stigmatization, control, disenfranchisement, rounding up, forced to work, and ultimate killing of Jews in ww2 was part of getting rid of the ‘poisonous’ elements of society, aimed at a general purification; let’s not forget the homosexuals, Gipsies, Communists, varied political opponents, and remember what the never-mentioned mentally handicapped suffered … in short an elimination of various socially, financially, morally, intellectually bankrupt individuals / groups, as well as Jews, many of whom were well integrated, established professionally, comfortable, even rich…despoiling them was financially rewarding (in a way, for a time.) Envy and jealousy could be invoked for this group, not the others.
Gypsies are still very badly treated, homosexuals – depends very much on the place – Communists as individuals are still frowned upon but socialist/communist states can expect a heap of trouble (Yugoslavia, Cuba, etc.). The handicapped however are far better treated – their affliction is not ethnic, nor of opinion/lifestyle etc. and it is understood that they are not at fault, it is fate, bad luck.
The Jews, more numerous, more powerful, and with the backing of Various Powers, have locked themselves into a new ghetto, – their very own Homeland, Israel. To achieve an ethnic (for lack of a better word, as many different dimensions are involved) state, it is by definition necessary to ‘purify’ it and ‘expand’ it in a way somewhat similar to Germany. (Different epoch, geo-politics, etc.)
The ghetto has to expel foreign, impure elements, by any means possible, and has to expand – that is a characteristic of fascism, it must move forward, convince, exhibit ‘growth’, conquer – it can’t stand still.
So some group (/s) is going to get it in the neck, and must be dehumanized, seen as vermin, non-human.
For obvious reasons, the other groups mentioned never wanted, or could get, their own shaky ‘statelet’.
Posted by: Tangerine | Jun 10 2009 17:14 utc | 22
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