Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 6, 2009
Open Thread 09-10

Open Threads are back and you will always find the most recent one linked in the top left box on the mainpage of this blog.

New open threads will get launched when the most recent one fills up with about 50 comments.

Use them to post and comment on whatever you like.

Comments

Philosopher/author Sam Keen shares his thoughts on war.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 6 2009 6:45 utc | 1

John Ellis Bush (Jeb) and his National Council for a New America
If you like what Jebbie did for Florida
you’re gonna LOVE what he has planned for the presidency. Jebbie might have to start small as VP to a stronger candidate like Romney running in 2012, but that’s just practice for his real presidential run in 2016. Be afraid, America, be very afraid.~peace frog

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 6 2009 7:26 utc | 2

Not to be missed … says Avishai.

Posted by: ptw | May 6 2009 12:54 utc | 3

Ahh, feels like home again already. Thanks b.

Posted by: Juannie | May 6 2009 13:04 utc | 4

Yeah, I agree with Uncle about Jeb Bush. This is all about getting him in the limelight for the Presidency. Again, the elite make fools of us.

Posted by: Rick | May 6 2009 13:32 utc | 5

Many interesting points in this article:
Wasting A Good Crisis: The Result May be $200 Oil
{Hat tip maxkeiser.com}

Posted by: Rick | May 6 2009 13:56 utc | 6

Oh, sure, forget about the devil in front of you, Obama, and worry about that pesky Republican devil, Jeb Bush, in 2016. Give me a break. They all play for the same team, and that team has Government right where it wants it. Our Government is currently Corporate Controlled, so there’s not much more to change except doing away with entitlements. The defense budget will only continue to grow, and you need big government for that, and wars and perpetual enemies to rationalize it.

Posted by: Obamageddon | May 6 2009 14:46 utc | 7

Thanks for #6, Rick. I’m redistributing it everywhere.

Posted by: Parviz | May 6 2009 15:13 utc | 8

There is a great deal of truth in the article to which Rick linked, but there’s also misdirection. The author is clearly an advocate for the coal industry. The only way to deal with the crisis to which he alludes is to radically change our way of life. No energy source is going to replace oil. Coal is antiquated and dirty. There’s no such thing as clean coal, and this guy’s a moron for suggesting we remove nountain tops and burn up our 250 years worth of supply. That coal should forever remain buried in the ground.

Posted by: Obamageddon | May 6 2009 16:06 utc | 9

The scare about the new hog flu echoes back to two themes:
1) the Black death, which killed between one third or one half of the population of Europe.
2) bio warfare, which officially began before the 1918 war, in a chemical, if not biological form, though chemistry and biology are not separate topics. (I posted about this before…one man is responsible for much.)
Before 1900-20 ppl had understood infection pretty well, implemented quarantine and disposal of the dead intelligently, and engaged in deliberate infection (remember those blankets.) Lacking an understanding of DNA/RNA (Watson-Crick) it is not realistically possible to do more.
SARS was a stellar opportunity for Gvmts., scientists, health authorities. A new virus (coronavirus) killed a total of 80 (??) some ppl world wide. Note, 40 million ppl live with AIDS today. SARS virulence and spread, its structure, its behavior in the lab, communication routes, could be studied, and provide vital information about pandemics. Followed, a SARS scare, as WHO, Gvmts, scientists, etc. wanted to focus on it. Swine flu is in a similar position.
Part of the fear of flu is due to the method of transmission, by air – compare with AIDS, which requires direct contact, morevoer personal protection is possible (condoms, abstention, etc.)
The other part of the fear of flu rests on the fact that the Black Death is not properly understood, worked out.
The Bubonic plague is known, is endemic today, there are flare-ups all the time, the latest in N. Africa. It is caused by a bacterium, Yersinia pestis. Transmitted from rats to humans via fleas, reportedly 60 – 40 % survive without any treatment. It is easily cured with antibiotics.
Disagreement about what the Black death actually was are rife. Some claim it was bubonic plague only, that appears to be the conservative academic stance. Others argue this cannot possibly be so, in view of: symptoms – transmission times – geographical, speed of, type of, spread; number of deaths; no of ill / deaths – reportedly ‘catching’ the black death meant just one thing – death. Etc. There is no agreement about what the other infectious agent might be, as most serious researchers don’t propose a candidate, only state that there must have been one. At some point, in the 80s, the idea was that a now familiar ‘bug’ (bacillus) was responsible: anthrax!
It is a muted scientific controversy. Since 2000 it has gained some mainstream traction, several books have been published, but it has been going on underground for several hundred years.
Contemporary humans might be astonished that the digging up of bodies supposedly infected by the Black Death has not furnished clear answers. First, very little has been done. Second, nationalistic pride, politics, a intervene. (Big Pharma maybe as well, but I don’t know.) There is a quarrel between French researchers and the US…
Nobody knows. So it is scary shit.
This blog gives a taste of the confusion and a starting point. link
This book highlights why the fear. link (abstract only)
The public is not informed. How hard could it be to inform properly? Authorities are exploiting fears, using confusion and obfuscation through the usual corporate news channels, to manipulate and control.

Posted by: Tangerine | May 6 2009 16:32 utc | 10

Since the hog flu is now on the wane (though it still could wax again this fall), I figure it’s safe again to talk about pork and pork related things without eliciting too many gag flexes across lunasphere. So let me mention that there’s a math theorem called the ham sandwich theorem, which proves, believe it or not, that a ham sandwich can be sliced in half an infinite number of times, keeping the ratio between ham and bread the same. What makes this theorem especially tasty (pun intended) is that it still holds true even if you add a slice of cheese to it, just so long as the two slices of bread are treated as a single entity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_sandwich_theorem

Posted by: Cynthia | May 6 2009 16:57 utc | 11

It’s nice to know that there are still animators around, like David Wilson, who know how to create awesome graphics without the crutch of a computer. I especially like the fact that he has incorporated the turntable — one of the last great casualties of the digital age — into his animations. Here’s Moray McLaren’s song “We Got Time” being set into motion by David Wilson, using nothing but old-fashioned optics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9e38cuhnaU
And here is David Wilson showing us how he did this without a drop of computer graphics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4LSg7f4lFs

Posted by: Cynthia | May 6 2009 17:12 utc | 12

Obamageddon@#7
The point wasn’t jeb, or the future p-residency, the point was the CNA. The CNA is the revamped PNAC. And someone to watch. Yet another type think tank with an over abundance of power and influence. Hence such things as the following:
The National Council for a New America Launches – Conference Call Report

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 6 2009 17:21 utc | 13

$cam, I’m not too worried….not yet, at least. Look at the comments at that link. This group is not well-received by the tried and true conservatives. The group’s too moderate for their liking.
Don’t get me wrong. We’re going to get Nazi style Fascism, but this is not it. It’s much too tame. You’ll know it when you see it. The tried and trues commenting at the link you provided are begging for it. The majority will go along to protect their asses. A scapegoat, or scapegoats will be rounded up and persecuted. That’s in the making, as we speak. People are being trained to scapegoat, and people are being trained, or set up, to be scapegoats. Critical thinking could mitigate this, but sadly that’s in short supply these days.

Posted by: Obamageddon | May 6 2009 18:25 utc | 14

Cynthia… WOW!

Posted by: DavidS | May 6 2009 19:04 utc | 15

Cynthia, nice one… love things like that. I Don’t know if you were around when I posted the following a while back:
artist Theo Jansen
Shot in the Netherlands utilizing the moving sculptures of world-renowned artist Theo Jansen, this commercial, entitled “Kinetic Sculptures” forms part of a broader campaign which serves to highlight BMW’s market leadership in the fields of technology and innovation.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 6 2009 22:27 utc | 16

Cynthia, nice one… love things like that. I Don’t know if you were around when I posted the following a while back:
artist Theo Jansen

Shot in the Netherlands utilizing the moving sculptures of world-renowned artist Theo Jansen, this commercial, entitled “Kinetic Sculptures” forms part of a broader campaign which serves to highlight BMW’s market leadership in the fields of technology and innovation.

fucking typepad grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 6 2009 22:27 utc | 17

Obamageddon #7, an important subject especially for we retired Americans depending on Social Security. They are preparing us for another fleecing.
Entitlements:
…is a framework creating word that the powers that be are using to mass hypnotize us before making their grab for the last remnants of the people’s/public wealth. Entitlements implies the bestowing by official decree of something not rightfully owned. Our Social Security (SS) does not in any shape or form fall into this classification. SS is something we have paid for with real wealth from our wages that has been entrusted in funds managed by the government. But as we all know the wealthy and the government cannot be trusted and they are now trying to rob us again by redefining what is rightfully ours into something that is legally theirs.
The SS fund had been mostly been running a small surplus between it’s inception in 1935 until 1969 when congress decided to usurp the SS surplus and included it into general fund or ‘unified budget’. Of course, during those years the general fund was almost totally running a deficit. In 1969 after the inclusion of SS surplus into the unified budget it showed surplus of $3B with the SS included but a deficit of $0.5B without SS.
After Reagan’s voodoo economics was implemented in 1981, when he promised to balance the budget by simultaneously reducing taxes for the wealthy and corporations while increasing military spending, he could only keep his budget balancing promise by gleaning a new source of income.
The financial wizard to accomplish this voodoo feat was non other than Mr. Alan Greenspan and he didn’t disappoint the president. Greenspan’s stroke of genius was to equate the growing budget deficit with an imagined SS crisis when the SS, on it own, was not just doing well but thriving. So the general budget crisis was redefined as a SS crisis and a commission was convened (you guessed it, with Alan as it’s chair) to figure out how to solve the problem (more appropriately, $cam us again without us noticing.) The solution was to declare that SS needed to build a vast surplus for the eventual boomers retirements. So SS taxes were increased to make up for government revenue that was lost by giving the tax cut to the wealthy. The legislation creating this scenario, both in spirit and letter, implied that the SS surplus was inviolable, that it was not to be used only for SS payments, present and future. But guess what. The legislation also included a caveat which gave congress authorization to borrow from the fund, but only for the first few years after implementation. After that it was hands off and the loan had to be repaid. We all know the outcome of trusting in government and the SS surplus fund is now filled with promissory notes instead of real cash.
So entitlements now means whatever wealth is still left over in the hands of the populace from that robbery and fraud and so redefined to convince we poor saps that we haven’t really been robbed and this new theft still won’t be robbery.
An excellent accounting of this calculated fraud, and the source of my information, can be found in Ravi Batra’s book, “Greenspan’s Fraud.”
I feel we need to be prepared to redefine the framework once again when the next assault on our paid for retirement fund, SS (entitlements), commences.

Posted by: Juannie | May 7 2009 0:08 utc | 18

J 18) US R All Corporate Now:
Check out Obama, now that Afghanistan has become the Israel to Pakistan’s Palestine:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/POLITICS/05/06/afghanistan.pakistan/art.obama.karzai.zardari.gi.jpg
Notice Hamid got the ‘clean’ right side of Obama, and Zardari got the ‘unclean’ left side; then quick, take a look at Carter at Camp David:
http://morewhat.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/BeginCarterSadatWIKI.jpg
and another look at Clinton at Camp David:
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0czDeX4eCpbY5/610x.jpg
Always, always the Arab gets the unclean hand of the President to hold, and if you think this is just a unusual triple coincidence, then you are part of Corporate, and you probably believe we have always been at war with Eurasia.

Posted by: Winston Smith | May 7 2009 2:10 utc | 19

i skipped reading today’s homepage post @ counterpunch a few times because i didn’t feel like reading about Yellowstone Grizzly Bears, but eventually, after browsing all the other articles, i got around to Doug Peacock’s truly alarming account of what’s happening to the Grizzly population in Yellowstone.
Doug Peacock is an interesting figure, and absolutely passionate about Grizzly bears. he credits his retreats into the wilderness and interactions with bears in the wild for his recovery from the damage of fighting in Vietnam.
Doug Peacock is also the inspiration behind Edward Abbey’s lovable domestic terrorist, George Hayduke, from The Monkey Wrench Gang

Posted by: Lizard | May 7 2009 4:28 utc | 20

Uncle $cam,
No, I never heard of artist Theo Jansen. His work is amazing, so thanks for the link! I also thank you for linking me to Jeff Sharlet’s article in Harper’s entitled “Jesus killed Mohammed.” Since Harper’s has a pay wall in place, I though you may wanna just listen to Sharlet on the radio link below, discussing how our military is being Christianized from the top down. But if you’re already having nightmares about our military using its money and might to turn America into a Christian theocracy, I suggest you avoid this link like the plague:
http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/episodes/2009/05/04/segments/130897

Posted by: Cynthia | May 7 2009 16:07 utc | 21

Just a passing thought about this headline in Bloomberg news:
Spitzer, Edwards, Palin Stay in Sex Spotlight
What I find interesting in this is that the word “Palin” is included in this headline with these other political leaders when Sara Palin is not directly involved in a sex scandal. Sara’s daughter, Bristol Palin, had a child out of wedlock and is now lecturing for abstinence for teenagers but is this as steamy a sex scandal as compared to the lies of Edwards and Spitzer? I am convinced that Sara Palin is not (and never has been) a favorite of the political elite (“left” or “right”) yet she is still slammed by Margaret Carlson frequently on MSNBC Countdown (Kieth Olbermann) and now today indirectly on Bloomberg. With all the pressing problems that Carlson could address, she wastes her time on this stuff. Oh well, I hope the money is good.

Posted by: Rick Happ | May 7 2009 21:55 utc | 22

incident at ogala – free leonard peltier

Posted by: remembereringgiap | May 7 2009 23:02 utc | 23

What I find interesting in this is that the word “Palin” is included in this headline with these other political leaders when Sara Palin is not directly involved in a sex scandal.
no, but you can bet yer bottom dollar she was directly involved w/the promotion of her daughter blathering all over the news station making headlines for trying to be the new face of abstinence juxtaposing levi on the other station w/a balancing act. and yes, the money is good and it keeps the palin name alive which i suppose is the plus factor for a darling of the extreme fundie right.
what i think was out of sync was the inclusion of spitzer. unlike palin or edwards he isn’t trying to make money off his sex spotlight. he is writing a column about finance. what is the guy supposed to do? roll up and keel over. the topic was staying in the sex spotlight. spitzer’s not doing that.
I am convinced that Sara Palin is not (and never has been) a favorite of the political elite
no, but she is extremely entertaining, or fodder for entertainment. she can see russia from her window, it’s pretty hard to top that. when putin speaks it comes into the airwaves by way of alaska.

Posted by: annie | May 10 2009 1:29 utc | 24

now that Afghanistan has become the Israel to Pakistan’s Palestine
it has?

Posted by: annie | May 10 2009 1:44 utc | 25

Some Swiss visited my town these days. They gave a great show (video).

Posted by: b | May 10 2009 16:03 utc | 26

nice flying, the French have a very good team too but the best of what I have seen are hands down the Italians. their show is still good even after they made it all more timid after the terrible accident at Ramstein some 20 years ago

Posted by: dan of steele | May 10 2009 17:13 utc | 27

Same reaction to that as to chamber music. Eyes water, sniffle.

Posted by: rjj | May 10 2009 17:13 utc | 28

THE TASK
Walk the walk, the winners say
To losers languishing on the edge
Who never win, nor sun their day
With luxurious relaxation
What pledge to Moloch harvests plight?
Who climbs on lies to dizzy heights?
As shadow lengthens at their command
Who lords over world disaster?
Brittle Nation, the glow has gone
First world boasting is just a shell
Like Patriots with their broken slogans
Obscuring earthly hells
Renew the garden with secret seeds
And brush our footprints off the path
So vengeful gods among the reeds
Can’t reach us with Their wrath

Posted by: Lizard | May 12 2009 21:24 utc | 29

You people are such unamerican socialist leftists, everytime you post Lenin gets a boner.

Posted by: …—… | May 15 2009 15:22 utc | 30

…—… , that some crazy pornography you’re posting…

Posted by: DavidS | May 15 2009 17:20 utc | 31

There’s also some shots of naked dead Lenin there only they covered Comrade Pokey up. While paying my respects I remember being struck that he looked really good for a corpse except that his ears are all crinkly. They don’t let you stop to look close though no matter how much you love him and wish he was alive now to forcibly overthrow your government and liquidate the plutocrats.

Posted by: …—… | May 15 2009 20:00 utc | 32

wow, some very interesting news coming out of palestine..
http://justworldnews.org/archives/003567.html
thank you helena
bold (in red!)> Abbas losing support from Fateh
blockquote>>>>
“Mahmoud Abbas is supposed to be the head of the Fateh movement, as well as of the PLO (!) and the US-supported Palestinian Authority (PA.)
Yesterday, Abbas swore in a new PA ‘government’, headed as before by the strongly US-backed Salam Fayyad… and most members of Fateh’s own parliamentary bloc opposed the move and refused to join!
This is a further illustration of the fact I have mentioned before, that Fateh no longer has any coherent internal organization at all– let alone one that could make any strategic or tough decisions or exercise other functions of national “leadership.”
And the more money the US and its friends shovel into the PA project, the faster the internal disintegration continues.
This commentary (ed note, includes link) from Ma’an News tries to unpack Abbas’s reasoning for forming the new “government”. The one I find most convincing is that Abbas and his American masters/friends figured it would look bad if he turned up in Washington May 28 without having some kind of a Potemkin government in tow.”

don’t miss this and check out the supporting link to Ma’an News

Posted by: annie | May 21 2009 2:21 utc | 33

ouch
http://www.counterpunch.org/cook05202009.html
Netanyahu Adviser Steps Out of the Shadows
By JONATHAN COOK
Mr Arad, recently appointed the head of Israel’s revamped National Security Council, will oversee an organisation that Mr Netanyahu regards as the linchpin of the new government’s security and foreign policy…
Mr Arad has been outspoken both in rejecting Palestinian statehood and in promoting the military option against Iran…
Mr Arad is… charged with devising a strategy for dealing with Tehran and its supposed ambitions to attain nuclear weapons…
Arik Carmon… has described Mr Arad’s proposal to arrange “territorial exchanges” to strip some of Israel’s Palestinian minority of their citizenship as “racist”…
Alon Liel… has called Mr Arad’s efforts to derail recent talks with Syria by demanding the continuing occupation of the Golan “ridiculous and nasty”…
In 2007… Mr Arad also fuelled… speculation about Israel’s plans for a military strike on Tehran, after he described it as “easier than you think”. A wide range of non-military Iranian targets were legitimate, he added…
…few doubt the prime minister’s fierce loyalty to him… Mr Netanyahu pushed through Mr Arad’s appointment as national security adviser…
He had been barred from entering the US by the Bush administration after implication in a spying scandal. A Pentagon official, Larry Franklin, jailed in 2006 for passing secrets about Iran to the Israel lobby group AIPAC, was reported to have met Mr Arad frequently.
The Obama administration has since restored Mr Arad’s visa and agreed to his political rehabilitation, not least so that he will be able regularly to meet his US opposite number, Gen James Jones.
Mr Arad spent more than 20 years in Mossad, much of it working in the intelligence section…

Posted by: annie | May 21 2009 3:05 utc | 34

I’m finally publishing my little paper again today (after nine weeks off) and this is the rant for this issue:

It has been a long time since I penned a rant for the FDO. Too long I suppose, but I’ve used the time well. I have a new inline, self-cleaning filter for my irrigation/sprinkler system that has yet to clog. Last year I had to clean the filter everyday if I wanted the sprinklers to work, this year I’ve checked the filter three times since the irrigation water came on and it’s still clean! I only wish I’d have discovered this set-up sooner (so does my lawn)
Irrigation worries seem so pleasantly bucolic compared to the feces raining down upon us from our business/government leaders.
I feel it is past time someone asked, “where do we go from here?”
Our Federal government daily proves it is being manipulated by criminals for their benefit and costing the American Taxpayer not only dollars but the lives of our soldiers.
And to those who continually beat the drums of war while wrapped in the flag yelling, “my country right or wrong” I want to personally tell you that you’re plain stupid.
Anyone who is a true American Patriot is angry and they know who to be angry at. It isn’t a bunch of towel-headed terrorist, or tie-dyed hippies that have caused these recent problems, but greedy bankers and businessmen in cahoots with the people who we elected to represent us. Yeah it is the three-piece suits and pencil pushers that are the greatest threat to our way of life.
I can’t keep track of how many unjust bull-feces laws are being proposed in Congress or how many are being passed. I can’t even begin to calculate the cost to each and every one of us in dollars these laws and bailouts are costing us, and I wouldn’t I want to. I’m angry enough as it is.
But it is the cost to our freedoms, and our American way of life, that I really despise. All so some rich f#@%ers can become richer and more powerful.
And if this weren’t bad enough, I want to share some more awful news; that all this is our fault!
You and me and she and he and everyone else who is daily going about their lives ignoring the creeping fascism that’s eroding the foundation of America, are enabling that fascism to grow stronger.
I can’t understand why people haven’t figured this out yet? I guess it might be because the bull-feces passing for news on TV has dulled Americans ability to think for themselves.
Our Founding Fathers are probably pretty angry right now, because we’ve basically let the same evil bastards they’d fought a war against, take-over the very government they’d established as an alternative to the Drunken Nanny State.
The DNS, is a land inhabited by childlike adults who can’t take responsibility for their actions, and so create endless rules that protect them from themselves; rules that the greedy ignore and the stupid ignorantly think are protecting them.
There are rules governing the color of paint on their homes and rules dictating how “smart” their children are. There are rules for this and rules for that, but at the end of the day the only rules that matter are the rulers who are cashing checks written against your children’s wealth and even worse, their blood.
Are we better off than our parents were? No. Why is this? Because our government is run, and has been run (for at least twenty years) by criminals. Simple as that.
The FBI has for years been focused on the small fry of crime families; The Mob and The Mafia – when in reality the two biggest crime families working in the USA are the Democrats and the Republicans!
We need a true citizen tribunal to investigate each and every politician that has ever taken a dime from these two groups. We need to rip the lid off these foul coffins and shine daylight upon the creatures living inside, drive legal stakes through their hearts and leave them to die. Otherwise we will never become the America we believed in, the America we were founded to be.
And that’s a rant!

Hopefully in a couple of weeks I’ll have the website up and running… then you can all check out my funky little town… also I’ll be able to show-off my pinhole photos and the new darkroom my buddy Dan is building in my basement.
Dan has a cool project going for those of you who like color photography The Kodachrome Project
I figure this is the best way to see how the fixed Typepad works…

Posted by: DavidS | May 22 2009 14:32 utc | 35

The Iranian community just forced Congresswoman Jane Harman to retract her statement to AIPAC calloing for the dismemberment (Balkanization) of Iran.
The bitch hasn’t yet been impeached for offering her assistance to AIPAC in preventing prosecution of the 2 Israeli spies.
Still, the Iran retraction is a small victory.

Posted by: Parviz | May 23 2009 7:29 utc | 36

*this is new, possibly not done yet…
ARS POETICA
I. The Charge
Listen.
Language is losing
and words are withering
giving ground to gross manipulation.
Millions die beyond our blinking (dry) eyes
as this Nation’s slow collapse descends
into madness
and meanness.
Poets, your job is restoration!
There is nothing more noble than to breathe new life
into language;
to free it from the guttural rage of our decline
before tongues turn militant
ordering hands grip a violence
decreed by sock puppets in dress
suits.
II. The Empty Suit
His language, aimed at the seething herd,
shoots disingenuous words
sucked of their marrow
like hope
and change
to bide time for his masters to continue the looting
and killing
with impunity.
Just listen to the husk of his words left drifting
meaning smothered by a velvet delivery
his adorers, ever doe-eyed and pliant,
lovingly consume.
Face reality, friends, because everything depends
on our ability to read between lies.
III. The Trap
Ars Poetica?
Just try and escape the political, the abused
you solitary threads rolled to knots left to rot
in concrete holding cells
waiting…
We’re all waiting now
dumbfounded by staging
and the lurid hypocrisy of our rulers.
Believe it.
Language is dangerous
and pools in the margins
of consciousness
seeping into spaces we dare not name
(where our cogs and their bugs hum with purpose)
IV. The Rhyme
no brand of criminality will ever stick
nor justice rain down from high above
when the unchecked power of mighty dicks
cause a total vacancy of our resident, love
V. The Paranoia
O mighty name changer, can the heavens see your teeth?
O smooth-smiling assurer-in-chief, will you subtly conscript us with poverty
to fight for the shadow perps?
What forces in concert with each other conspired to make you possible?
What secret oaths have you made to keep your sweet daughters
from slaughter?
Am I hook, line, and sinker? Will it ever be advantageous to wonder
how deep under the bus we’ll be buried, when all is said and done?
Under which tier of craziness will they shove the accumulation of my verse?
VI. The Garden
Scent of lilac, certainty of sun.
Lupine holding little beads of water.
Water itself, and the ease of it
pouring from our black rubber hose.
The Roses have become unmanageable. They droop
dangerously before me, sharply barbed with thorn
as I try to reach the edges of the yard with the mower.
This Nation is absurd. Each one of us embodies contradiction.
The fuel it takes to make the blades whirl. The water it takes
to keep the grass green. The aesthetic pleasure
and exponential growth of our presence.
This is who we are. Yes, there is garbage, just not here.
VII. The War
Listen carefully to the words as contingency plans unfurl.
This isn’t a war against weeds to keep the garden healthy;
it’s a war against resistors of occupation.
Listen. Our brains are occupied territory.
Take seriously the potency of Amerikan programming.
An insidious game with incredible numbers is being played
and this is what should concern you:
the majority of us are expendable.
VIII. The Conclusion
9 months old, his chunky legs kicking while the music plays.
Blue eyes, brown hair, holding tight as papa pirouettes across the floor.
Why do we allow these people (who call the violent death of children
collateral damage) to continue killing in our name?
Shame in every stroke of every letter inked callously across the pages
of every newspaper. It will never end until the people unify their voices
and declare it done.
DECLARE IT DONE!
or accept their definition of security, bow your head, and kiss your ass
goodbye.
Goodbye.

Posted by: Lizard | May 24 2009 3:08 utc | 37

Lizard-
Wow!
Gonna have to take a few more sips from this vintage, roll these words around in my head and taste their boldness.

Posted by: DavidS | May 24 2009 3:27 utc | 38

nice, lizard
– – –
Marta Harnecker: Ideas for the struggle #1 — Insurrections or revolutions? The role of the political instrument [all emphases from the original article]

1. The recent popular uprisings at the turn of the 21st century that have rocked numerous countries such as Argentina and Bolivia — and, more generally, the history of the multiple social explosions that have occurred in Latin America and the rest of the world — have undoubtedly demonstrated that the initiative of the masses, in and of itself, is not enough to defeat ruling regimes.
2. Impoverished urban and country masses, lacking a well-defined plan, have risen up, seized highways, towns and neighbourhoods, ransacked stores and stormed parliaments, but despite achieving the mobilisation of hundreds of thousands of people, neither the size nor their combativeness have been enough to develop from popular insurrection into revolution. They have overthrown presidents, but they haven’t been able to conquer power and initiate a process of deep social transformations.
3. On the other hand, the history of triumphant revolutions clearly demonstrates what can be achieved when there is a political instrument capable of raising an alternative national program that unifies the struggles of diverse social actors behind a common goal; that helps to cohere them and elaborate a path forward for these actors based on an analysis of the existent balance of forces. Only in this manner can actions be carried out at the right place and right time, always seeking out the weakest link in the enemy’s chain.
4. This political instrument is like a piston that compresses steam at the decisive moment and -‑ without wasting any energy -‑ converts it into a powerful force.
5. In order for political action to be effective, so that protests, resistance and struggles are really able to change things, to convert insurrections into revolutions, a political instrument capable of overcoming the dispersion and fragmentation of the exploited and the oppressed is required, one that can create spaces to bring together those who, in spite of their differences, have a common enemy; that is able to strengthen existing struggles and promote others by orientating their actions according to a thorough analysis of the political situation; that can act as an instrument for cohering the many expressions of resistance and struggle.
6. We are aware that there are a number of apprehensions towards such ideas. There are many who are not even willing to discuss them. Such positions are adopted because they associate this idea with the anti-democratic, authoritarian, bureaucratic and manipulating political practices that have characterised many left parties.
7. I believe it is fundamental that we overcome this subjective barrier and understand that when we refer to a political instrument, we are not thinking of just any political instrument, we are dealing with political instrument adjusted to the new times, an instrument that we must built together.
8. However, in order to create or remodel this new political instrument, the left has to change its political culture and its vision of politics. This cannot be reduced to institutional political disputes for control over parliament or local governments; to approving laws or winning elections. In this conception of politics, the popular sectors and their struggles are completely ignored. Neither can politics be limited to the art of what is possible.
9. For the left, politics must be the art of making possible the impossible. And we are not talking about a voluntarist declaration. We are talking about understanding politics as the art of constructing a social and political force capable of changing the balance of force in favour of the popular movement, so as to make possible in the future that which today appears impossible.
10. We have to think of politics as the art of constructing forces. We have to overcome the old and deeply-rooted mistake of trying to build a political force without building a social force.
11. Unfortunately, there is still a lot of revolutionary phase-mongering among our militants; too much radicalism in their statements. I am convinced that the only way to radicalise a given situation is through the construction of forces. Those whose words are filled with demands for radicalisation must answer the following question: What are you doing to construct the political and social force necessary to push the process forward?
12. But this construction of forces cannot occur spontaneously, only popular uprisings happen spontaneously. It needs a protagonist.
13. And I envisage this political instrument as an organisation capable of raising a national project that can unify and act as a compass for all those sectors that oppose neoliberalism. As a space that directs itself towards the rest of society, that respects the autonomy of the social movements instead of manipulating them, and whose militants and leaders are true popular pedagogues, capable of stimulating the knowledge that exists within the people — derived from their cultural traditions, as well as acquired in their daily struggles for survival — through the fusion of this knowledge with the most all-encompassing knowledge that the political organisation can offer. An orientating and cohering instrument at the service of the social movements.

Posted by: b real | May 24 2009 3:53 utc | 39

Lizard, I’d love to hear that spoken… I’ve mentioned before, there’s something about hearing as apposed to reading for me that moves me so much deeper for some reason. However, I know when I read something that’s brilliant as this is, that it’s power moves in a bifurcated form. I guess, cadence chooses me, or the recurrence, with variations, of phrases, images, and syntactical patterns, it is very old and very deep. Your words are medicine.
Thank-you.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 24 2009 4:10 utc | 40

Wait! we need to call on the Super Friends!
Superheroes of Capitalism?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 24 2009 4:43 utc | 41

wow, that was quick! thank you david, b real; the harnecker selection is a beautiful compliment to my (dangerously unrealistic?) poetic idealism.
from marta’s piece this jumped out:
What are you doing to construct the political and social force necessary to push the process forward?
good question. maybe i can answer that question by the end of this (it’s getting late, it’s saturday night, fill in the rest)
in another thread, r’giap states the following:
it is the poor that have been demonised for their violence, for their supposed inherent violence – whereas the real criminals were sending death squads all over the globe massacring people, destroying communities & their organisations
that violence ascribed to the poor, especially the homeless, was clearly evident in this article from my local paper, printed last Sunday.
just for the record, the man in the picture, mark, is a good guy. i know this from personal experience. when he says he keeps a clean camp, he’s not lying. he’s been camping out (been homeless) year-round for years. not like the seasonal folk who start blowing through when the weather warms up, like the guy that tried to kill him.
anyway, the real nastiness, as usual, is found in the comments section of the article.

” I’ll bet everything you see in that picture is stolen property. And when they’re done with that camp it’ll take a dozen dump trucks to clean that environmental disaster they created, of all the garbage and human feces.
You can only imagine the harsh treatment anyone else would get for making such a filthy mess of someone else’s property. But we encourage it here in Missoula.
Most of these so called homeless have/had homes, relative, friends, or what have you, they just choose to be drunks on the street. And I guess that’s their right, just don’t give me that…”it’s society’s fault” routine.
Also alot of these degenerates are really scarey and are attempting to live under the radar screen because of their past, yet Missoula treats them like poor little puppies who lost their way in life and then provides them with the ways and means to perpetuate their live-style, until they freeze to death in the street, stab someone in the chest, murder someone for their shoes, or get killed attempting to shoot a cop from a park bench, all of which has happen and more within the recent past in our fair little bleeding heart liberal town that contiunes to inadvertantly promote this lifestyle. “

it’s like the homeless are one undeserving mass of predictable need and unpredictable violence. easy to hate and scapegoat.
r’giap, from the same previous post i excerpted from earlier, also says this:
again this night i am reminded of the hate, the malignant hatred that lies behind the deeds of capital – & for americans there can be no clearer expression of the elite’s hatred than its desire to refuse universal health care – it not only hates the person of the people but it detest their bodies as well & when it can not be concentrated into a bargainable unit or commodity – it is for them completely useless
this is a reality too many in the states have been too comfortable to acknowledge, but as the middle/upper-middle class continue to feel the effects of collapse, it’s becoming undeniable. the inability to provide a basic guarantee of health care for its citizens may be the critical crack
*
one final comment before i conclude this convoluted post. in my ongoing disagreement with parviz, my own anger toward his generalized accusations at MoA critics of O’s economic policies has surprised me.
the reason, i am discovering, is because i believe if the majority of people in this country don’t wise up soon, there won’t be another chance to (forgive the choice of words) capitalize on the total discrediting of the free market mantra we’ve been force-fed for decades, which might make us dangerously supportive of whatever crazy solutions will be “offered” to us for 2012.
time to wrap this up. i think this might do the trick. from b real’s link:
We are talking about understanding politics as the art of constructing a social and political force capable of changing the balance of force in favour of the popular movement, so as to make possible in the future that which today appears impossible.

Posted by: Lizard | May 24 2009 5:36 utc | 42

uncle! thank you, it appears we cross-posted. which means maybe you could answer yer phone, no? c’mon, uncle, it’s saturday night, and there’s lightning flickering outside.

Posted by: Lizard | May 24 2009 5:50 utc | 43

Great NYT Op-Ed by Flynt and Hillary Leverett:
Today’s New York Times Op-Ed carries a damning indictment of Obama’s Iran Policy and validates the skepticism voiced by many of us horrified to see Neocon-Zionists leaders like Iraqi invasion cheerleader Hillary Clinton and AIPAC co-founder Dennis Ross reborn in the role of ‘honest brokers’. If the U.S. really believes “it takes extremists to control extremists” it’s a wonder the Allies didn’t elect Goebbels to assist in the rebuilding of Germany after WWII.
The U.S. will feign horror when hardliner Ahmadinejad is re-elected, but judging by its own actions this is clearly what the U.S., egged on by Israel, really wants. Iran’s election of a ‘Pragmatist’ would be a major ‘game-changer’: The U.S. would face enormous pressure to compromise on the nuclear issue and lift sanctions, while Israel’s colossal investment in Ahmadinejad as the Mad-Muslim-Existential-Threat would disappear overnight.
The U.S.A., Israel and Ahmadinejad need each other for maintenance of the status quo. Each depends for its survival and maintenance of hardline policies on the alleged threat posed by the other. It’s not hard to see why Ahmadinejad has the smug look of a Persian Cat.
Excerpts from the Op-Ed:
“Clinton has told a number of allies in Europe and the Persian Gulf that she is skeptical that diplomacy with Iran will prove fruitful and testified to Congress that negotiations are primarily useful to garner support for “crippling” multilateral sanctions against Iran.”
“Iranian officials are fully aware of Mr. Ross’s views — and are increasingly suspicious that he is determined that the Obama administration make, as one senior Iranian diplomat said to us, “an offer we can’t accept,” simply to gain international support for coercive action.”
“(Obama) … also endorsed the creation of a high-level Israeli-American working group to identify more coercive options if Iran does not meet American conditions for limiting its nuclear activities.”
“Why has President Obama put himself in a position from which he cannot deliver on his own professed interest in improving relations with the Islamic Republic?”

Have We Already Lost Iran?

Posted by: Parviz | May 24 2009 6:50 utc | 44

Some nice newsfor a change. Let’s hope more of CALA takes advantage before the OECD gets on the bandwagon and wrecks it for everybody.

Posted by: …—… | May 27 2009 0:56 utc | 45

how does A HREF=”http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/05/26/national/w071348D47.DTL”>this sound?

(05-26) 09:20 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) —
The Supreme Court on Tuesday overturned a long-standing ruling that stopped police from initiating questions unless a defendant’s lawyer was present, a move that will make it easier for prosecutors to interrogate suspects.
The high court, in a 5-4 ruling, overturned the 1986 Michigan v. Jackson ruling, which said police may not initiate questioning of a defendant who has a lawyer or has asked for one unless the attorney is present. The Michigan ruling applied even to defendants who agreed to talk to the authorities without their lawyers.

Posted by: Lizard | May 29 2009 4:41 utc | 46

whoops, screwed that up but good. link

Posted by: Lizard | May 29 2009 4:42 utc | 47

Lizard@37: I’m a week late getting to this OT, but thank you thank you. You write the poetry I wish I could. Hope you had a good thunderstorm. We don’t get enough of them over here in Oregon, but there are some big clouds piling up over Mt. Hood this afternoon so maybe tonight. If I ever get over to Lolo Hot Spgs, I’ll give you and U$ a call.

Posted by: catlady | May 29 2009 23:37 utc | 48

Lizard. Thank you. Words fail me [as usual].

Posted by: beq | May 30 2009 0:51 utc | 49

thank you catlady, thank you beq. one of these days there WILL be a book.
and catlady, if you ever do get over to lolo hot springs, let me know. if b wouldn’t mind relaying the information (i give my consent for b to share my e-mail address with catlady), send him an e-mail asking for my e-mail address, and i’ll make sure U$ knows.

Posted by: Lizard | May 30 2009 2:31 utc | 50

this is interesting.

Sorry about the long break. I had to deal with my real job, even picked up some extra hours. Once I would have bitched non-stop about that, but I’ve noticed that everybody’s gotten real flexible about their schedules, now that they’re lucky to have a job at all. No more Monday morning jokes. We’re as cheerful as a bunch of Mormons getting root canals. And under all the gung-ho attitude, people are just plain scared.
So naturally, everybody’s trotting out the end-of-civilization scenarios. There’s a whole bunch of guys out there (mostly guys, a few butch girls here and there) who sulk online for years waiting for somebody to bring up the Omega Man/I Am Legend scenario: what are you going to do when civilization collapses?
It usually comes down to gun talk. That really makes me laugh. As if small arms would get you through the end of the world. Oh, I get the idea. In fact there was this joke when I was in high school that summed it up nice: “Q: What is the definition of a survivalist? A: Somebody with a rifle and the address of a Mormon.” Because everybody knew those Mormons were required by an official memo straight from God to Joseph E. Smith, Jr. to stockpile canned goods for a year in their tidy little basements. If you had a rifle, the idea was, you just strolled over to their house and either ordered them out if you were feeling all interfaith-cuddly or shot the whole bunch, although with those Mormon birth rates you’d be using up a lot of ammo on basically harmless people.
Well, they were harmless back then. I suspect if you kicked down the door of the average Mormon house now you’d get a face full of buckshot. People are meaner than they used to be.
But being tough, being armed to the teeth and ready to kick ass, that wouldn’t save you either if it all came down. It’d come down to dull stuff that nobody wants to think about, like organization. That’s what really hits me about these survival fantasies: it’s always about holing up in your house with guns and ammo and years of video-game wet dreams bouncing around in your head.
One question: where you gonna get your water? You can go weeks without food (in my case more like a year; in fact I’d probably be better off after starving for a year or so) but you need water every day. Let’s take California. Last I heard there were 24 million people in So Cal. You know where they get their water? From a tap, yeah; but when the taps stop flowing? Flick that ball socket faucet in your townhouse and a spider drops out? That’s what’d scare me, not armies of zombies or gangbangers.

Posted by: Lizard | May 31 2009 6:37 utc | 51

[CENTER][IMG]http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm297/WebWerks/womanatwork.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER]
[CENTER][B][SIZE=7][COLOR=SeaGreen]Make Money At Home With Your Own Business!![/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/CENTER]
Now is the perfect time to start your own business at home! While GM may be going into bankruptcy, companies like Amway and Avon aren’t! Home based business are as big as ever, and are even more popular!
If you are looking for a way to make $100-$600 a day working from your home, you need to check us out. It’s easy, and you can start making money today!
[CENTER][COLOR=Red][B][SIZE=7][URL=alcant.info/easy-work-at-home.html]CLICK HERE[/URL] [/SIZE]TO FIND OUT MORE![/B][/COLOR][/CENTER]

Posted by: busOrbizboido | Jun 4 2009 22:49 utc | 52

i think maybe the above is a weak example of flarf

Flarf poetry can be characterized as an avant garde poetry movement of the late 20th century and the early 21st century. Its first practitioners practiced an aesthetic dedicated to the exploration of “the inappropriate” in all of its guises. Their method was to mine the Internet with odd search terms then distill the results into often hilarious and sometimes disturbing poems, plays, and other texts.

i dunno, maybe i’m just not hip to the trends, but it seems to me contemporary poetry in the states is often nothing more than institutionalized intellectual masturbation.
sure, there are poets doing good work, but the proliferation of MFA programs is producing thousands of poets in a culture that is quickly losing its appreciation for the power of language. the poets produced in the institutions of higher learning seem to exist in these insular circles, detached from the grit that brings life to language.
i should note that, as a poet, i am obviously biased, desperately wanting to carve out my own little niche, because i operate under the delusion that i can help revive what’s become so obscenely corrupted (ha, ha) so i offer this disclaimer: much of my criticism stems from a gnawing desire to be recognized (published, lauded by me peers, etc.) and is therefore highly suspect.
that said, in the last few decades, hip-hop (as opposed to the corporate co-opted variety of urban exploitation called rap) has done more for the life of language than poetry has, so it makes sense that slam poetry is a vibrant, growing movement, breathing much needed life in the art of the spoken word.
but even slam poets have to work against a sort of standardized cadence that’s been heavily co-opted by corporate interests (watch some of the new McDonalds ads for blatant proof)
uncle $cam always reminds me how powerful spoken poetry can be, versus reading poetry written on the page. i tend to enjoy reading poetry more than hearing it, because then i can see the poetic gears at work, like clever line breaks, the use of space, and how the rhymes, if there are any, are structured (i think using end rhymes is a no-no according to the institutional cliques who set precedent for style)
*
i’m glad the open thread option was revived. maybe they can be like back eddies from the fast current of link-hooks and host-posts.

Posted by: Lizard | Jun 5 2009 5:56 utc | 53

Yeah sure, every month I get the Seattle Gallery guide, and every month all the stuff looks like it does every other month for the past ten years. Its as if with all the challenges and all the revelations and horrific events during this time – somehow in culture world there’s nothing so much as even an acknowledgment that things have become a little “different”, let alone mutated into a raging multi-headed and seething maelstrom that threatens by the moment to devour civil consciousness if not humanity itself. While I’m perfectly aware somebody has to fiddle while Rome burns, I am surprised that it takes the combined orchestra of the entire art world playing in concert.

Posted by: anna missed | Jun 5 2009 9:05 utc | 54

Rick thanks #6. Peak oil is important, also think false, that oil is contaminated with fossils more than derived from them.
Dave Mcgowan newsletter #59
Lizard #51, link interesting, he’s certainly right about water, artesian wells are the best thing, though not as good as being a top Rockefeller, top Dupont, Ted Turner, Henry K. etc.
I once posted here link to piece by a reporter in an LA “alt” paper (was fired) about serviceable neighborhood feeder water pipes being replaced by ones that could electronically be cut off (or substance from individual reservoir fed in) on a house by house basis if precision necessary, and much denial that the valve involved even existed, can’t find quickly now, words too generic. She also got reports of similar in midwest.

Posted by: plushtown | Jun 5 2009 13:19 utc | 55

lizard
i don’t thing being recognised matters that much
though comrade sloth would like to detonate me, i am published & performed in a number of countries, doctoral work done on my texts -etc & tho the work i do here is concerned with the fact of me being a writer – the real work has been maintaining the voice & that is a work of a lifetime
nearly 20 uears ago – there was a hard choice to be made – to fix myself in the literary milieu or to fight for the people who had given me my vocie – it was no choice at all
& though my life is very very difficult & especially difficult today i have never regretted that choice
especially technically, in this i wa helped by the goresight of walter benjaùin – but he made it clear that technical innovation was only possessed within the realities of the oppressed. & that is a truth i witness ecery day
lizard, your voice is pecial – maiantain & develop it – & never, ever comprimise

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jun 5 2009 13:58 utc | 56

Lizard, anna missed-
John D MacDonald in his Traviz McGee series did a book about the art world and Modernist in particular… one of the main characters was a wealthy woman artist who is making beau coup bucks for her paintings. Old McGee wins her heart and her mind by asking her to draw a cow… ‘Cause even Picasso could draw a cow.
The woman goes berserk and gets all huffy about how she is a great artist and they aren’t like a trick pony that performs on command… after a bit she finally admits she can’t draw a cow. Typical eh?
I was once a bit like this myself. I remember being a young photographer shooting photos for a daily paper and thinking that I’d achieved a sort of peak. I was 18 and making as much as the college educated journalist while all my buddies were going into debt working towards their college degree. I thought I was just a couple of years away from a gig with National Geographic – I felt I was that good.
Silly me. A few years later I’d had given-up on journalism (and waiting tables for money) and took a job at a pro E-6 lab in Aspen… This is the place I truly learned how to be a photographer. I was working with amazing photographers from National Geographic shooter David Hiser to news/stock shooter Jeffery Aaronson (who taught me the phrase, “que lastima”) and, also, an up and coming Brian Baily (whose raw film was the most fun to look at… the guy is a kook and has an awesome eye!)
Well I learned two things working there: the first was that I probably wasn’t good enough to ever shoot for National Geographic and I probably never would be… I’m too lazy of a shooter – My photos aren’t always as tack-sharp or perfectly exposed like the big-wigs film is.
And the second thing I learned was how much depth there is to photography. I had been so focused on photo-journalism that I never learned other techniques to produce interesting photos and I’d never learned nuances that would have made me a much better photographer.
I was making good images… but I couldn’t draw a cow, so to speak.
Looking back, I probably would have continued working at newspapers, had I been able to have more “fun” while working. I was much too much into the old, “f-8 and be there” approach rather than looking much deeper for other images that might better tell the story.
These days I’m now doing a little publication, and with every issue, killing the english language with a “death of a thousand cuts” ’cause I’m either too lazy, too proud or maybe just too poor, to have a proper editor. English has survived Shakespeare, e.e. cummings and political double-speak, I’ll bet it will survive being daved too.
I guess to sum-up (as if I can) is that there are many who say they do and few who do. If you become so caught-up in the details that you don’t do ’cause you’re afraid of doing doodoo den you’re no better den those that do do doodoo ’cause at least they’re doing. Or something like that 🙂

Posted by: DavidS | Jun 5 2009 14:33 utc | 57

David,
I have to disagree and say technique (in art) in itself is largely a useless obsession, if not a universal excuse. An excuse as in substituting consistency for content for lack of better ideas or evaluative criteria. Technique is only important to the extent it serves content. Good drawing is only good when it is enough drawing. But then of course good drawing can never save a shitty idea, and will if anything make a shitty idea shine with even more shittyness. The world of photography – because it’s physically removed from the hand – is the worst offender in this respect. I’d take another look at Robert Frank before you decide you’re to lazy to make good photographs.

Posted by: anna missed | Jun 5 2009 19:02 utc | 58

anna missed–
What I guess I didn’t get across very well is that I’m too lazy to make good photographs for National Geographic which values super sharp images that glow and I sometimes am not the sharp and my exposures, well, listless, not that I’m not a good photographer, I just spent too many years shooting B&W for newsprint which is kind of muddy anyway. I’m sure had I spent more time looking at my photos on slick, glossy paper I’d have been more critical 🙂
I shouldn’t be writing before coffee like I did that post :)… I think you and I are on the same wavelength; art is very subjective, and as such, it truly is “in the eyes of the beholder” to interpet. But universally accepted (or is the word I want “understood?) art is a far rarer thing, or at least I believe so. A painter friend and I were laughing about one of his shows where two people were discussing one of his works and he had been surprised to find all the meaning and symbolism that was “shinning” out of the piece… He’d just thought it was a nice painting.
I feel there is value in art and in the artist who masters a technique before dismissing its value. I think the point I am slowly floundering around is that I agree that a good work is a good work… I don’t care who or how it came to life.
Five-year-old children produce some really cool art without any formal training at all. But to me this type of art is interesting in it’s purity, but I don’t find it as challenging to contemplate as Picasso. I feel there is more to be learned from an artist who has trod further from what normal is, AFTER they have followed the herd. To go against the accepted current viewpoint is costly…
Robert Frank is a great photographer… like many of the image-makers to come from his era. But that isn’t what I was getting at when I chid myself for being lazy, there is just something that really great shooters have that very few people do… or even understand. Our modern gear is so much better than when Frank started making photos… I’d have loved to seen what he’d have done with a modern Leica… or even a digital camera (not to insult the Leicas).
There are many natural artist… I know a married couple that shoots photos that look like the best stock with a crappy little point and shoot digital… you’d swear they clipped all their photos out of magazines! But neither one has ever taken a photo class, they both just have that knack for composition. And I don’t mean to totally dismiss these “naturals” when I sound bitchy about art… I just am sick of the artist that are much better at telling everyone how important and great they are then they are with creating something that hopefully furthers mankind rather than recycling and regurgitating the same old crap.
I should add a kudos to Lizard… to wear the title “poet” publicly is similar to wearing some type of scarlet letter, at least this seems to be what has happened in our modern times. I hate to bring this up… it seems wrong to write of poetry and hollywood at the same time, but the movie, “Dead Poets Society” really rocked my world.
Not that it was a great movie, but it had some great moments… the boys breaking their curfew by sneaking off into the woods to read poetry by candlelight changed me. I realized you didn’t need to be gay to be an artist and that poetry, literature and even painting were being done by people that were neither crazy nor “weird.” Wow, who’dda thought?
And Lizard, your poems are strong stuff, like homebrew spiked with whisky or drinking a midnight pot of cowboy coffee. There is both strength and truth in your words… the only one you need impress, is of course yourself, but I’m sure there will be more than a few of us along for the ride.

Posted by: DavidS | Jun 5 2009 21:51 utc | 59

i’m with anna missed. all formal considerations are in the end – only a repertoire to be adapted & transformed & that is all.
the voice – whether it is shadow in a a photograph, the illuminating brushstroke & the deeper melodies that exist in all forms of literature
& broadly speaking artistry arrives in two ways & sometimes simultanously – as a kind of gift (which i would suggest comes as a result of profound listening where the writer speaks of geography instead of self) or as a result of extremely hard work
the problem with the naturally talented is that we sometimes neglect the task – but the problem with the hard worker is sometimes they insist so much on formal considerations – that the voice becomes lost & it becomes another piece of paper with scribble all over it to be shoved in another hole in the wall
when we read adonis, elytis, hikmet, ritsos, crane & thomas is their voice. it is the defining feature. no one else can write an adonis poem, nor a poem by my beloved nazim hikmet. i still think we are centuries behind mayakovsky, yesenein, khlebnikov. & there most important aspect that some of their greatest poems are in a way not finished – the dialectic demands for other poets to do that & for the reader too to do that work
these poets have been my teachers in that they have all risked, they have all revealed what courage is for a human being as well as poet
lizard, i know you work amongst the homeless – & you do that as i do, not as an act of charity but following marx’s dictum from his theses for feurbach, that the educator must be educated
we live in an abbatoir & i witness this world through the wretched of whom i have always been a member. only moreso in these times

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jun 5 2009 22:59 utc | 60

listening/perceiving are qualities an artist must possess. whether a natural conduit, or a hard working observer, if an artist can’t move beyond self-absorption, then the output is a waste of time.
it’s not surprising that poets seem to have the most difficult time transcending self. TS Eliot even wrote an entire essay about the need to kill (figuratively, of course) the author. maybe Eliot’s impulse to abolish himself from his text stemmed from the degree of influence Ezra Pound had on shaping the poem of all poems, THE WASTELAND. or maybe it was an honest acknowledgement that, no matter how skilled, all artists, to some degree, channel the intangible energies of inspiration from a place unknown.
maybe so many poets have destroyed themselves because they took literally what Eliot approaches theoretically.
i admit, there’s something about using words as building blocs for poems that threatens to ruin the communicative function of language, which may or may not be an explanation for why so many poets are reduced to behaving like arrogant assholes in the company of others.
when you’re obsessed with finding new ways of expressing poetic laments about the same old human transgressions, it’s easy to have little patience for lazy lines of thought, which too often is what we are conditioned to share with each other in mixed company; horrific banalities and tired commentaries, over and over again.
which is why MoA is so indispensable.
in a forum comprised wholly of language, the fragments, entanglements, links and threads provide something i can’t find in my immediate community. i’ve been more exposed to a rich diversity of information here than in any expensive college class i’ve indebted myself by attending.
so let the conversation continue, because time is fleeting.

Posted by: Lizard | Jun 6 2009 5:55 utc | 61

ahhh, the moon is almost full, and the street outside is quiet. how much longer?
PILE OF EMPTY SKIN
whatever the personal was meant to mean words cannot pin
down. i would say, if pressed, even skeleton is too elusive.
(perhaps ligament can approach the useless perusal of meaning?)
i do not care to what degree you deny the real. what’s the use
of ears if they refuse to hear the sameness of empty suits
slaughtering meaning by wiggling their paid-for tongues?
where is the work our body forgot? hope is no panacea
nor even substance to squish between thumb and forefinger;
barely even a sound to seize on: a convenient, twisted echo
of futility. that is where the personal went, went off to bury
a promise sucked dry of its blood. i sure hope spring thaw
doesn’t suddenly become flood, because if it does i’ll drown
in the soundless deep where light has no definition. No hope
of undoing what’s already been done, and calamity poised
like a predator, watching its hapless prey wandering the wood
swinging at stones with a stick. leave your skin in the thistle
for the birds to peck. the personal without it shall rejoice
and with help from the energies happily bleed into everything.

Posted by: Lizard | Jun 6 2009 6:04 utc | 62

i do not care to what degree you deny the real. what’s the use
of ears if they refuse to hear the sameness of empty suits
slaughtering meaning by wiggling their paid-for tongues?

Yes!
I think what causes most artistic angst is that no matter how “good” an artist is, they know in their hearts that they are doing nothing more than “channeling Elvis.”
What I mean is that there is another place/plane where pools of creativity lie dormant waiting for some random human to fall-in. I know that when I have done a work I feel really good about, I often don’t remember how it came to be created – and this is what I mean by “channeling Elvis”
Creating art is almost like a prayer asking for heavenly guidance and a good work is this prayer answered.
An example that really struck home for me is when several years ago, a week after publishing a ‘zine in aspen that had included a funny take on Hunter Thompson’s drug use, he shot himself… The piece I’d done that concerned me was turning Ben Franklin on a $100 into Hunter Thompson… and I changed a few other parts too, like instead of “the united states of america” I put “the united snorts of america” All this was silly and done in humor, but when HST put a hole though his head, I’d wondered if the piece wasn’t the straw that broke the camel’s back?
Of course Hunter’s last shot wasn’t because of me, but I have a rather elevated sense of how I fit into the larger world, and for a couple of days, I worried that it might have been somehow my fault and that now I’d have to deal with mobs of angry Hunter fans.
And this leads me to my personal greatest “channeling Elvis” moment which was the next issue of my ‘zine which I devoted to Hunter. There are several pages that I know I designed with words that I must have wrote, but I’m still not sure how it all came together as well as it did.
I still feel a little funny when I look through the thing and wonder where it came from? Whose hand was guiding mine? I know it sounds weird and maybe even a bit arrogant to think it, but I really feel Hunter somehow had directly influenced me.
It would be easy enough to dismiss my literary mimicry to simply that, mimicry. But there is too much weird coincidence in how the whole package came together for me to take all the credit – someone’s invisible hand was guiding mine, I’m sure ’cause I really ain’t that good 🙂
The magic of the Muse is undeniable and when we, as artist, allow ourselves to conjure its possibilities then every word, photo, painting or sculpture (to name but a few) become something far more than the said object… it becomes a talismans that holds an universal truth that everyone feels, but many may not be able to describe.
Too many humans see with their eyes but are still walking around blind – and this is why humans are scared of art – it evokes feelings we aren’t taught words to define and we don’t trust our feelings enough to leave the description to our souls.

Posted by: DavidS | Jun 6 2009 12:50 utc | 63

The cloud with no name: Meteorologists campaign to classify unique ‘Asperatus’ clouds seen across the world
Daily Mail/UK, has photos.

Whipped into fantastical shapes, these clouds hang over the darkening landscape like the harbingers of a mighty storm.
But despite their stunning and frequent appearances, the formations have yet to be officially recognised with a name.
They have been seen all over Britain in different forms – from Snowdonia to the Scottish Highlands – and in other parts of the world such as New Zealand, but usually break up without producing a storm.

Posted by: plushtown | Jun 7 2009 1:38 utc | 64

plushtown – such surrealistic clouds. thx. very dreamlike landscapes. here’s a gallery w/ more asperatus shots at the ‘cloud appreciation society’ website.
friday afternoon i happened to be in a mtg w/ a fellow who had an office w/ a window view. while he was explaining a detail on the topic at hand i happened to just glance out the window and up at a fluffy white cloud formation that was moving quickly overhead. it really caught my eye b/c it had the shape of a human figure, laying on its stomach, arms outstretched, casually flying through an otherwise clear blue sky. it took a moment for my mind to even register this, so wrapped around the conversation as it was, and i then felt compelled to remark out loud ‘you gotta check this out’. but by the time the words fell out of my mouth the formation had changed and it looked like – well, just your average fluffy white cloud against a blue sky. probably was only my mind initially trying to fit that shape into a mental template, which made such an impact on me – along w/ the fact that i’m a bit sleep-deprived these daze – but the surrealness of that feeling went to my core. i can only imagine what it would be like to be laying on the ground taking in one of these asperatus moments.
(i covered the uganda story in the previous africa thread here)

Posted by: b real | Jun 7 2009 4:40 utc | 66

Thanks plushtown & b real, some beautiful pictures.

Posted by: anna missed | Jun 7 2009 5:36 utc | 67

Would another word for “sheeple” be, “flockheads?”

Posted by: DavidS | Jun 8 2009 14:31 utc | 68

A Swedish Kind of Death, you so Rock!
[Please remember us when you become PM]
=)

Posted by: beq | Jun 9 2009 0:47 utc | 69

“Full Spectrum Disorder: The Military in the New American Century

Talk by Stan Goff author of “Full Spectrum Disorder: The Military in the New American Century” recorded February 21, 2004 at New Hope Baptist Church in Seattle.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 9 2009 6:22 utc | 70

[CENTER][URL=alcant.info/make-money-at-home.html][IMG]http://www.braindash.com/photos/Woman%20with%20money.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/CENTER]
[CENTER][B][SIZE=7][COLOR=RED]Work From Home :: Make $100-$400 a Day!![/SIZE][/B]
[COLOR=BLACK][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]Work from home – Full Time or Part Time – Free Information – Start Making Money Today![/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=6][COLOR=RED][URL=alcant.info/easy-work-at-home.html]CLICK HERE[/URL][B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=BLACK] to find out more! Come visit us now[/SIZE][/FONT][/CENTER]

Posted by: AgineeNagma | Jun 13 2009 4:57 utc | 71

(from “Iran: There is very little logic at work”.)
ultimately these virtual incursions indicate the growing influence of forums like these (thanks to our hardworking host), and that, i believe, is the answer to the question i asked several times: why do our opinions in regard to this latest situation matter?
Lizard
Exactly Lizard.
I’ve been formulating a post in my mind and that is one of the questions I wanted to ask. Why such energized and persistent bashing of the regulars around here and repetition of unfounded conjecture? What are they trying to gain? What’s in it for them? Is it their daily job and they are paid to continue their mission? They are obviously gaining no ground in trying to convince. Why do they continue?
There is no question in my mind that the Psy Ops arms of US &/or Brit Intelligence agencies are still ardently obeying one of their prime objectives which is to create “tension”, as in the official CIA doctrine of “strategy of tension”, and that the MOA is a highly probable target. I don’t think Praviz is a witting participant but I do think that he is patsy, as in “patsies” and “moles”. On the other hand, if I were a betting man, and I am, and there were anyway to determine the validity of my claim, I would give 10:1 odds that Amir S. and Dragonfly and probably a few others are a moles, those who are consciously trying to undermine this forum at the behest of their employers. This blog is too effective a voice for the goons of empire to resist going after.
However, just because the CIA and US military have interfered in practically every significant uprising of voices or working examples against the “American/capitalistic” way or for a better way that would obsolete capitalism for the last century is no guarantee or proof that they are presently interfering in the global affairs today. I guess then I have to admit to being a conspiracy theorist. But I can’t help but hold these ideas as close to truth after the last several days and threads. I really don’t know very much, for sure, but the above is the present leaning of my belief system.
That being my belief I would like to offer, again, my heartfelt thanks to all you rhetorical warriors for your valiant skepticism and rejections of those who want to convince, agent provocateurs or just plain true believers with agendas (my bet slothrop fits the latter category).
Thank you b and all others in the camp of MOA Spirit. It is what keeps me coming back here just to read, day after day.

Posted by: Juannie | Jun 22 2009 23:08 utc | 72

@Dan of Steele
Re your “come here, I’ll bite you!”, buried in an Iran thread
LOL :))

Posted by: Outraged | Jun 22 2009 23:48 utc | 73

Here is my latest Rant, thought the poor orphaned open thread could use some love 🙂
As I sit down to rant, it has yet to be confirmed that Goldman Sachs is on track to pay-out what some speculate are going to be the largest bonuses in the firm’s history. If this is true, than I guess we know that the winners in this losing economy are again the richie-rich and they are doing so at the expense of both America and the average taxpayer.
I can’t believe how up in arms Americans are over the Iranian election, like it really matters to any of the 150 or so coal mine employees laid-off in recent weeks which goof is running that foreign country.
America and Americans need some perspective on how quickly life is changing in our own country; instead we get more arm-chair warriors beating drums of war, worrying about imaginary invasions of foreign troops landing upon our shores when the very seat of American government has been sold-out to foreign interest for more than fifty years.
None Dare Call It Conspiracy, and yet, as the title of that 1971 book by Gary Allen suggest there is certainly a conspiracy amongst the world’s banks and investment houses to further their profits at the expense of the rest of us.
Psychopathic (A.K.A sociopath) personalities are exactly the sort of people who exceed in both politics and business, so it should be no surprise that we find ourselves led like lemmings towards a cliff by these human creatures that feed off other’s suffering.
Government and corporations are being run by vampires that suck life from everything they touch and the carcasses are piling-up with a stench that is unbearable for those of us whose sense of smell isn’t dulled by corporate media.
These carcasses are all that remains of a once proud United States manufacturing sector, of our open and free society, of our right to bare arms.
Yeah, we still have the ghost of these institutions to give us the illusion of freedom and justice, but the reality is these grand ideas have become static displays in the museums of our minds and, like the washboards and tubs of old, are no longer put to use.
I don’t believe in clothing myself in the flag to make a point… but I do have a lot of respect for the fellows that managed to wrest this country from the English Crown whose bankers were working us to a slow death by taxes and tariffs.
My original interest in politics came, not because I thought about changing the world, but because I had a crush on my senior year civics teacher.
My hippie parents fought the Man several times, and each time they won a battle only to find later that they really lost the war. Power is like that – it sometimes doesn’t mind giving-up its queen if it knows that a pawn will be soon checkmating the opponent.
The Clinton years ruined politics for me. When you have the leader of the free world engaged in sordid public affairs while selling-out the American workers that voted him into office, well, rather than interesting, politics becomes ugly.
I’ve watched as our political system has become filthier than a burger-joint’s grease trap from the pork consumed each year by our fat cats in Congress. And the new generation of jerks we elect to clean the kitchen, they get one look inside and realize there is no hope – they’ll get just as dirty cleaning as they would cooking – so they fill a pan with pork fat and start frying away.
There is one sure bet when preparing a dinner for Washington politicians, that none of them are vegetarians ‘cause they’re all getting fat on the pork stolen from our wallets to put into their mouths.
Dave

Posted by: DavidS | Jun 23 2009 15:06 utc | 74

i’ve been kicking around a “literary” project of sorts, and it’s beginning to coalesce.
so far i’m thinking of focusing this project on an artistic relationship where art and politics intermingled to the point of fissure, ending the creative coupling. the relationship is between two poets; Denise Levertov, and Robert Duncan, and their personal correspondence (in print at over 800 pages) has been the subject of much analysis.
i’ve been tracking a hunch for awhile, without any definitive words of explanation. i still don’t have the language, but i’ve got some preliminary sketches, and, perhaps, a discernible direction to take them.
stay tuned…

Posted by: Lizard | Jun 26 2009 5:02 utc | 75

(reopened)

Posted by: b | Jun 29 2009 16:07 utc | 76

The Pirate Bay: We’re Thinking of Selling

The Pirate Bay this morning announced that the hugely popular torrent site at the center of a highly publicized court case in Sweden could change ownership.

SKorean intelligence agency runs ’spot the spy’ game

South Korea’s normally publicity-shy intelligence agency is creating a stir among liberal groups with a “spot the spy” flash video game offering a variety of prizes.
The National Intelligence Service (NIS) is hosting the game on its website (www.nis111.co.kr) to mark the anniversary of the outbreak of the Korean War on June 25, 1950.
The game, which runs from June 22 to July 21, challenges users to pick out spies and those who sympathise with communist North Korea.
Two hundred lucky winners will receive laptop computers, digital cameras and game consoles. Bloggers who link the game to their personal web pages will get premium watches.

Posted by: Outraged | Jun 30 2009 10:29 utc | 77

billmon’s 2 cents:

Reading recent posts here on the Iranian protests really reminds me of the day I finally broke with the anti-anti-Communist left in the US — it was the day in 1989 when I opened my copy of The Nation, to find a long editorial blaming the CIA for the overthrow of Ceaușescu in Romania, and arguing that the dictator’s perverted version of socialism actually had some redeeming qualities.
At this point, I’m truly sorry I started the blog that eventually led to the creation of this blog. I believe I did the blogosphere a grave disservice by helping bring such a group of reactionary sectarian cultists together.

Posted by: Lizard | Jul 1 2009 1:07 utc | 78

re: “billmon’s 2 cents”
I don’t believe that Billmon actually posted that. If he did, it’s almost as sad as the loss of “b”. Both are evidence of the awesome force of The Empire in grinding down opponents.
As any self-respecting contrarian knows, America propped up the Romanian dictator Ceaușescu.

Chomsky: OK, so let’s take his example, Romania under Ceausescu. Hideous regime, which he forgot to tell you the United States supported. Supported right until the end, as did Britain. When Ceausescu came to London he was feted by Margaret Thatcher. When George Bush the First came into office, I think the first person he invited to Washington was Ceausescu. Yes, Romania was a miserable, brutal regime supported by the United States right to the end, as Robert Kaplan knows very well, so the example he gave is a perfect example.
ES: It wasn’t supported by the States in the 70s though?
Chomsky: In the 70s, in the 80s, right to the end of Ceausescu’s rule. It was supported by the United States. The reasons had to do with great power politics. They were sort of breaking Warsaw Pact policies and so on, but the very example he picks illustrates it and we can proceed onward.

The supporters of this phony Iranian revolution are to a man hysterical and mendacious. The Neocons who generated the revolution wish to make Iran a weaker and more chaotic country. There is no doubt that following their lead will bring misery to the world. I don’t know what is the best government for the Iranian people. I do know that changing this regime using the amoral approach America was using in the 1990s would lead to a better result than using the immoral approach Israel is using today.

Posted by: airtommy | Jul 1 2009 15:13 utc | 79

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR CHINA HANDS, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON S/HE COMES BY. IF NOT, IT IS AT DISPOSAL OF THE HABITUAL Moa READERS (IN SEARCH OF A NEW HOME)
Not on the topic. Some weeks ago, you get a post at the late Moon of Alabama about the military rescue just a year ago of Ingrid Betancourt and some US / Colombian soldiers. You did a good effort (specially for something in China), but felt in a lot of easy assumptions. Well, today is the aniversary of the ocassion and I want to to point just one (the biggest) issue that went of your radar. Namely, you stated that the FAR claim of misuse of the Red Cross symbols were impossible, for which it would have been a gross violation of RC statutes and stuff. Well, guess what? It happened. CNN published an edited version of the offending video that shows clearly the colombian army posing as ICRC, Uribe got to invent a lame excuse shortly after.
Maybe some other reader has informed you about the issue, but nonetheless…
Of course, you don’t have to take my word for it. You could go to This Link of today’s El Tiempo, the biggest colombian newspaper:
If you have problems with spanish, Google translator can fix it. However, I´d want to help with a paragraph:
Algunos “errores” de esa obra maestra salieron a la luz poco después, como el uso indebido por parte de militares que participaron en el operativo del emblema del Comité Internacional de la Cruz Roja (CICR), algo por lo que el Gobierno de Álvaro Uribe pidió disculpas.
Some “errors” in that masterpiece were known later, like the unlawful use by soldiers participating in the operation of the symbol of the International Commitee of the Red Cross, (ICRC) for which Alvaro Uribe`s Goverment apologized.
Bye
Posted by: Anonimate | Jul 2, 2009 5:41:47 PM | 14

Posted by: Anonimate | Jul 3 2009 14:22 utc | 80

This link, instead

Posted by: Anonimate | Jul 3 2009 14:35 utc | 81

I can post?
Seems there is some queer hacking over at Lespeakeasy… anyone else run into that? I went to try and find some… something and I couldn’t get in. Doors were locked and a bunch of freaky writing on the walls.
I miss ya’ all,

Posted by: DavidS | Jul 3 2009 14:51 utc | 82

Yes, Lespeakeasy has been hacked. It’s possible that only someone with access to the actual server can solve the problem. The php page for the forums has been replaced by the hacker.
Given how this world works Lespeakeasy may be using old software with known vulnerabilities as it hasn’t been active for quite a while. So it was an easy target.

Posted by: ThePaper | Jul 3 2009 15:43 utc | 83

so…le speakeasy has been hacked, that’s just great. i went over there this morning and, yep, quite a disruption. i came by here to see if anyone had mentioned the hack job. if the mods can’t clean up their place, maybe more brainstorming is in order.

Posted by: Lizard | Jul 3 2009 15:52 utc | 84

If time is pressing, the best thing would be to set up a Yahoo Club as a temporary base.

Posted by: airtommy | Jul 3 2009 16:21 utc | 85

Yep – hacked. Here’s a status report as of 11:45 AM CDT – site is hacked, no idea when or who. These hackers have hacked other places over time so – a lot of sites which look pretty random. They use vulnerabilities in the site code.
I have no idea why.
And I have no way at the moment to fix it – Okie has not responded to emails or private messages but he may not even get them as we have not been in touch is ages. I do not have a phone number for him.
Eff who actually coded the site vanished while the site was first launching (2005) and never gave Okie (or me) access to servers, etc so we have no way to reinstall even if Okie is found as far as I know.
One regular is trying to see if there’s a way to track down eff but I would not hold our breath on that.
Back to reasons for the moment – several folks have suggested it was done for political reasons – perhaps. I do know that the spam member signups were relatively complex (including icq numbers, web sites, etc) so wonder is some spammers were using it behind the scenes for something – bouncing messages or such – I’m over my head on this but the amount of info on the fake registrations looked like more than needed just to spam – and so perhaps our beginning cleanup and blocking of spam accounts irritated them. I had banned several email domains (mostly .ru addresses) as well so that may have irritated someone.
All said and done, even if Okie appears, I think we are out of luck … and a yahoo or google group for interim connections makes sense.
I remain available to help but just have no way to do so.
and I am so disappointed since Speakeasy was a great project and I was so happy to have it available to provide a home at least for a while.

Posted by: Siun | Jul 3 2009 16:59 utc | 86

One last note – if these open thread comments close, it’s always possible to create a diary at the open diary space we have over at firedoglake – OxDown though I think we’re doing a relaunch of it in a day or so with a new name – but that’s a completely open option and at least would let folks connect in comments to make a plan.

Posted by: Siun | Jul 3 2009 17:21 utc | 87

Very sad to see Moon of Alabama close… My heartfelt thanks to Bernhard and all commenters for these past five years.
Went to Le Speakeasy to (hopefully) register, found it hacked by some Ejder21. Well, Ejder in the latin script is a Turkish word, but actually it is Persian in origin. So, political sabotage is not unlikely.
I hope to participate in any new gathering. It would probably be best if we can opt for a fail-safe format if we are going to be dogged by a disgruntled ‘fan club’.
Regards to all!

Posted by: Alamet | Jul 3 2009 17:52 utc | 88

Well, Siun -thanks for your help on trying to get Le Speakeasy re-opened over the past few days. Sort of feels like some punks came along and burned down our new digs.
One more snippet from Ulysses (Tennyson):

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and tho’
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are, —
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

Posted by: Maxcrat | Jul 3 2009 18:06 utc | 89

doesn’t surprise me. we’re dangerous to those who want to control the narrative. but without b we would be less natural much less so. last night i saw a smidgen of a report about a soldier kidnapped in afgahistan and wondered what b and the moongang would have dug up. it just makes it so much more difficult to get unfiltered truth without this place. and him.
i shouldn’t have been surprised to see the sitemeter graph. the jump over the iran election was significant. that probably pissed lots of people off, the ones w/the fake narrative that cost a billion or so.
well, bummerella. i hope b keeps the open thread up til an alternative is secure.

Posted by: annie | Jul 3 2009 21:19 utc | 90

Re. Siun #86 post:
Re. Full disclosure: I was one of the “folks that suggested it was done for political reasons”. I won’t confess to paranoia but only a high level of suspicion. The following was my post to Siun:

Hacked!!
After long discussions at MOA over moles and patsies possibly posting there, for the last three weeks, I find this coincidence disturbing to say the least. I strongly believe there were conscious agitators over there and they have deliberately come over here to thwart our coming back together. This community, though small, is still a significant voice exposing the MSM propaganda monster for what it is and getting out a more accurate diagnosis of events. When the corrupt get so corrupt and omnipresent that it becomes obvious to most people, we become an even more severe threat to them. I was just beginning to write a new post on this when I got your email and checked back. I had successfully posted earlier this morning. If you have time to check and read the link you will see how it adds credence to my suspicion.
Now I replace my tin foil hat but I’ll still post something like this when we get back on line. I may share this email with a few I trust in the meantime.

My ‘this’ link is short but highly pertinent. It indicates the depth of clandestine involvement of the empire’s agents existing in legitimate overseas business.
This was written this morning before I discovered this Open Thread was still open. I sure don’t know, I have no positive proof, only the confluence of “coincidental” incidents that point my mind toward suspicion. Now the second paragraph of Alamet’s #88 post just makes me all the more suspicious.
I’m not claiming anything, just sharing my no longer private thoughts, but with today’s political and foreign policy situation, I think it’s prudent to maintain vigilance.

Posted by: Juannie | Jul 3 2009 21:21 utc | 91

that should have read ‘but without b we would naturally be much less so’.
shit. the good news is i got lots of work done in my studio today.

Posted by: annie | Jul 3 2009 21:22 utc | 92

we must have been cross posting juannie. yep.
here’s a video i ran into @ the comment section of mondoweiss.

Rav Gershon Salamon: I want to ask you,
Prime Minister Yitzchak Shamir
is about to have talks with
the arabs about Eretz Yisroel
It is important that the Rebbe
tell the government and all Jews,
that it is forbidden to talk
to the Arabs about Eretz Yisroel
and to give territories
of Eretz Yisroel to the enemy.
Rebbe: They promised me and, and they
will surely keep their promise,
that of all the talks there will not
be any concessions of territories,
The talks are only so
the public shouldn’t say that
Eretz Yisroel
is not interested in peace.
It doesn’t mean
they’re right,

but this is a criticism
that is hard to counter,

Posted by: annie | Jul 3 2009 21:27 utc | 93

Dang! After I finally read through all 250 posts on the Main Page I learn B had closed comments. Many, many emotions here, some tears, and major regrets at being cut off from so many commentators, and heart comrades.
B! Rememberinggiap! Annie! b real! beq! Debs is Dead! jeez, so many more. I love you all. You’ve been my sustenance and sanity these last two years. I would really like to stay in touch – at a Yahoo Group, or privately. az.geog at yah dott com will work for me. I could come up with $200/year, too. Could and would, for sure.
Just when I was dusting off my mapping skills, too…. B once expressed the need for good maps here at MoA. I was too embarassed at how rusty I was, but YES, maps speak powerfully. I intend to spend time this summer learning new software and make available my skills.
Le Speakeasy is broken. I’ve started many Yahell Groups in the past. Should I set up one now? Let me know.
Jake
Tucson

Posted by: Jake | Jul 4 2009 2:23 utc | 94

bummer. have been away from a computer all day & just catching up. if LS is toast now, and unless someone rewrites the application this will be an ongoing issue even should someone be able to restore the backup & bring it up again, then it’s time to move to plan b c. what – there is no plan c?
the critical factor at this point is probably to get a space where people can hash out what we can do to keep the community intact as much as possible. while there’s no sense of immediate urgency, the quicker something gets up, the better the chances for retention.
there have been mentions of setting up a google or yahoo group – what are the positives & negatives of doing so? how many participants might be leery about signing up w/ such companies? they’re not accessible to non-registrants, correct?
what other options are there? has anyone compiled and/or weighed the invitations from the ‘goodbye’ thread? how feasible is it to migrate en-masse to somebody else’s space?
or is anyone interested in setting up a temporary blog to provide open access to all – lurkers, commentator & content generators alike? ideally, a collaborative effort would be more practical than a project led by only one individual. blogs are simple to set up these days – much simpler than actually running them.
the community does have a fair bit of credibility/goodwill/karma built up over the years, so an offshoot would be able to take a certain amount of that with it.
find a handful of moderators that can produce content, create a blog, slap a welcome sign up, and let it evolve from there.
just some thoughts
i’ll have limited access to a computer for the rest of the weekend so will check in when i can

Posted by: b real | Jul 4 2009 6:14 utc | 95

Fark, bloody bastards them freaks who screwed up Lespeak.
Some 3 years ago as a little pet project I started a blog on blogspot called Linglong Thought Exchange. I manage (or muster the ambition) only a few times a year to write a new post, so it’s a fairly quiet sorta corner on planet web. However, seeing that there is nowhere else to go, I’d be honored to have you all congregate at the Exchange until we find a new home. Anybody wishing to write posts would have to be added to the list of authors, so should you be interested e-mail me on juan_moment at yahoo dot com au. By myself I’ll never be able to provide the ongoing stream of intelligent and intriguing posts the MoA community strives on.
In order for me to not feel embarrassed when ya’ll come by, please keep in mind that the blog was never meant to be more than a training exercise in html formatting. I used it mainly to gather my thoughts on issues I needed to sort in my head, and some of them I cross posted here at the Moon. Anyhow, as a halfway house till we establish a new hangout it might just do the trick.
Alternatively, I am more than happy to contribute financially or with the odd post to any other attempts to keep this community in touch. It would be such a pity if the Moon’s closure would spell the end of MoA’s stimulating blog community.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Jul 4 2009 11:04 utc | 96

wrote this before i saw the comments were closed:
(oh no this is awful news tears fall)
B I was in awe of how you kept it up all my heartfelt thanks and all best wishes for the future. To all the posters thanks as well.
Really I’m at a loss for words and can’t express myself beyond the conventional phrases.
Now what?
I can pay a reasonable or hefty subscription.
About alternatives: I do not think that congregating at some existing site (e.g. speakeasy, eurotrib) will work – sites have their own communities and ideologies, povs, etc. and it is impolite to swamp them to mention only one aspect. I would most emphatically discourage that approach.
Kevin B suggests a Forum (there are many even free forum possibilities out there), which is user-driven. Of course it would never replace MOA but it would be a place to say hello and keep in touch, lift a glass, and consider yet other alternatives, such as conserving MOA but lifting it off b’s shoulders in some way – think of it – he could be a commentator and post short or long or not as he pleased. The danger of forums is that they may sprawl out of control – the format is lax and attracts the domineering and flame wars spark like bush fires –
Now if someone would set one up (i am not that internet savvy so it would take me time and i certainly wouldn’t pick the best option or organize it beyond the standard thingie offered) I can help.. e mail me.
Maybe china hands has some thoughts.
Blackie – then Noirette – now Tangerine:
andrea black 140 at hotmail dot com (no spaces)
ps. read only to 162 on the closing MOA thread so will have missed any subsequent suggestions.

Posted by: Tangerine | Jul 4 2009 11:13 utc | 97

OK so MOA is no more (phone call: Tang, did someone die? Yes I say well not a person exactly – Err a plant? did the Pachira kick the bucket? oh I laugh the twisted P. is fine)…but something new can grow out of it or at least one needs space to commiserate.

Posted by: Tangerine | Jul 4 2009 11:33 utc | 98

I feel a little bit like I’m trespassing. I’d swear there already feels like a layer of dust is covering the bar and tables.
Anyhoo, Tangerine, yeah it’s sad. I feel like I’ve lost something the language hasn’t invented a word to describe.
I might as well leave a little graffiti in the dust, kind of the sort of thing I’d have done when there was a bar full;
Listening to the propaganda, ahem, news this morning and I must admit I was very, very nervous when they mentioned North Korea launched seven missiles, each with a range of 300 miles… being the sheeple math-whiz I am, I quickly did the math – 300×7=2100 miles, which I’m relieved to find out is less than one half the distance to Hawaii.
Åhhh, I sighed with relief, must have only been the Koreans celebrating the Fourth of July like all the world’s people do.

Posted by: DavidS | Jul 4 2009 12:12 utc | 99

i’l feeling such sadness. for b – for us as a community. we have leaned heavily on b’s shoulders so i am i think like manu of us, lost
some thoughts, not coherent as i don’t feel at all coherent. i don’t see much point in augmenting another community – le speakeasy made sense because it was generated by the same people – dan & siun have made clear – what are the problems there techniclly &yes it does seem strange that it should be hacked hust at the moment we gather our thoughts
the yahoo/google seems the most unsatisfactory – we’ve been allowed such intimity throught the generosity of b – y/g appear like a warehouse run by wolves
juan’s offer is a generous one – for the moment but i fear we might drown his voice – but i get sick when thinking of us wandering – the community has a noble role but at this moment it is clear we need somewhere to gather – to think our thoughts through

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 4 2009 13:08 utc | 100