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Open Thread 09-10
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The scare about the new hog flu echoes back to two themes:
1) the Black death, which killed between one third or one half of the population of Europe.
2) bio warfare, which officially began before the 1918 war, in a chemical, if not biological form, though chemistry and biology are not separate topics. (I posted about this before…one man is responsible for much.)
Before 1900-20 ppl had understood infection pretty well, implemented quarantine and disposal of the dead intelligently, and engaged in deliberate infection (remember those blankets.) Lacking an understanding of DNA/RNA (Watson-Crick) it is not realistically possible to do more.
SARS was a stellar opportunity for Gvmts., scientists, health authorities. A new virus (coronavirus) killed a total of 80 (??) some ppl world wide. Note, 40 million ppl live with AIDS today. SARS virulence and spread, its structure, its behavior in the lab, communication routes, could be studied, and provide vital information about pandemics. Followed, a SARS scare, as WHO, Gvmts, scientists, etc. wanted to focus on it. Swine flu is in a similar position.
Part of the fear of flu is due to the method of transmission, by air – compare with AIDS, which requires direct contact, morevoer personal protection is possible (condoms, abstention, etc.)
The other part of the fear of flu rests on the fact that the Black Death is not properly understood, worked out.
The Bubonic plague is known, is endemic today, there are flare-ups all the time, the latest in N. Africa. It is caused by a bacterium, Yersinia pestis. Transmitted from rats to humans via fleas, reportedly 60 – 40 % survive without any treatment. It is easily cured with antibiotics.
Disagreement about what the Black death actually was are rife. Some claim it was bubonic plague only, that appears to be the conservative academic stance. Others argue this cannot possibly be so, in view of: symptoms – transmission times – geographical, speed of, type of, spread; number of deaths; no of ill / deaths – reportedly ‘catching’ the black death meant just one thing – death. Etc. There is no agreement about what the other infectious agent might be, as most serious researchers don’t propose a candidate, only state that there must have been one. At some point, in the 80s, the idea was that a now familiar ‘bug’ (bacillus) was responsible: anthrax!
It is a muted scientific controversy. Since 2000 it has gained some mainstream traction, several books have been published, but it has been going on underground for several hundred years.
Contemporary humans might be astonished that the digging up of bodies supposedly infected by the Black Death has not furnished clear answers. First, very little has been done. Second, nationalistic pride, politics, a intervene. (Big Pharma maybe as well, but I don’t know.) There is a quarrel between French researchers and the US…
Nobody knows. So it is scary shit.
This blog gives a taste of the confusion and a starting point. link
This book highlights why the fear. link (abstract only)
The public is not informed. How hard could it be to inform properly? Authorities are exploiting fears, using confusion and obfuscation through the usual corporate news channels, to manipulate and control.
Posted by: Tangerine | May 6 2009 16:32 utc | 10
wow, that was quick! thank you david, b real; the harnecker selection is a beautiful compliment to my (dangerously unrealistic?) poetic idealism.
from marta’s piece this jumped out:
What are you doing to construct the political and social force necessary to push the process forward?
good question. maybe i can answer that question by the end of this (it’s getting late, it’s saturday night, fill in the rest)
in another thread, r’giap states the following:
it is the poor that have been demonised for their violence, for their supposed inherent violence – whereas the real criminals were sending death squads all over the globe massacring people, destroying communities & their organisations
that violence ascribed to the poor, especially the homeless, was clearly evident in this article from my local paper, printed last Sunday.
just for the record, the man in the picture, mark, is a good guy. i know this from personal experience. when he says he keeps a clean camp, he’s not lying. he’s been camping out (been homeless) year-round for years. not like the seasonal folk who start blowing through when the weather warms up, like the guy that tried to kill him.
anyway, the real nastiness, as usual, is found in the comments section of the article.
” I’ll bet everything you see in that picture is stolen property. And when they’re done with that camp it’ll take a dozen dump trucks to clean that environmental disaster they created, of all the garbage and human feces.
You can only imagine the harsh treatment anyone else would get for making such a filthy mess of someone else’s property. But we encourage it here in Missoula.
Most of these so called homeless have/had homes, relative, friends, or what have you, they just choose to be drunks on the street. And I guess that’s their right, just don’t give me that…”it’s society’s fault” routine.
Also alot of these degenerates are really scarey and are attempting to live under the radar screen because of their past, yet Missoula treats them like poor little puppies who lost their way in life and then provides them with the ways and means to perpetuate their live-style, until they freeze to death in the street, stab someone in the chest, murder someone for their shoes, or get killed attempting to shoot a cop from a park bench, all of which has happen and more within the recent past in our fair little bleeding heart liberal town that contiunes to inadvertantly promote this lifestyle. “
it’s like the homeless are one undeserving mass of predictable need and unpredictable violence. easy to hate and scapegoat.
r’giap, from the same previous post i excerpted from earlier, also says this:
again this night i am reminded of the hate, the malignant hatred that lies behind the deeds of capital – & for americans there can be no clearer expression of the elite’s hatred than its desire to refuse universal health care – it not only hates the person of the people but it detest their bodies as well & when it can not be concentrated into a bargainable unit or commodity – it is for them completely useless
this is a reality too many in the states have been too comfortable to acknowledge, but as the middle/upper-middle class continue to feel the effects of collapse, it’s becoming undeniable. the inability to provide a basic guarantee of health care for its citizens may be the critical crack
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one final comment before i conclude this convoluted post. in my ongoing disagreement with parviz, my own anger toward his generalized accusations at MoA critics of O’s economic policies has surprised me.
the reason, i am discovering, is because i believe if the majority of people in this country don’t wise up soon, there won’t be another chance to (forgive the choice of words) capitalize on the total discrediting of the free market mantra we’ve been force-fed for decades, which might make us dangerously supportive of whatever crazy solutions will be “offered” to us for 2012.
time to wrap this up. i think this might do the trick. from b real’s link:
We are talking about understanding politics as the art of constructing a social and political force capable of changing the balance of force in favour of the popular movement, so as to make possible in the future that which today appears impossible.
Posted by: Lizard | May 24 2009 5:36 utc | 42
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