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May 7, 2009
Blogsphere Wakes Up On Obama’s War

Over the last month I have written lots of pieces on Pakistan and U.S. interference there. In the 'Links' posting I titled pieces about the administration's talk on Pakistan as War propaganda, Pakistan panic and War preparation campaign. The build up was obvious to me, but I missed the rest of the blogsphere on this theme.Now finally others are waking up too.

Junah Grundberg wrote yesterday:

The danger here is how similar the rhetoric about Pakistan is beginning to resemble the rhetoric in the run up to the Iraq War: a potentially mortal threat to the U.S. that the government in question is unwilling to address, while the region and world look on helplessly.


It increasingly appears that we're in the second phase of an opinion-shaping effort whose only outcome, short of Pakistan acting in ways that betray its core interests, is an escalation of American military involvement in the region.

Chris Floyd in today's Counterpunch:

We are now in the midst of a full-blown campaign to "roll out the product" for a new war: this time, in Pakistan. Anyone who lived through the run-up to the invasion of Iraq should be able to read the signs — anyone, that is, who is not blinded by partisan labels, or by the laid-back cool of a media-savvy leader far more presentable than his predecessor.

Pepe Escobar today with a bright piece at ATOL on how very much Obama's words and actions on Afghanistan and Pakistan now resemble Bush's war on terror and Iraq campaign and on how much this is again very much about the control of hydrocarbons and over Baluchistan as the strategic prize in the U.S.-China contest.

Pat Lang chips in with AfPak and the Neoconization of Obama.

Welcome folks. This campaign has been going on for months. The New York Times has spewed out propaganda piece after propaganda piece about the 'Talibanisation' of Pakistan. The gray lady never disappoints when a president wants to launch a new war. Obama now talks about fighting al-Qaeda – whatever that may be – in Pakistan. Clinton sees mushroom clouds on the horizon. It is all the same systematic play again.

But unlike during the campaign for the war on Iraq, there is no resistance today to this new and much wider war. The domestic U.S. discussion and the rest of the world is distracted with economic issues. The U.S. 'left' is silent as it is a 'left' president now that is running the U.S. into another war it will lose.

Zardari will get his blood money, Karzai may be allowed to keep his job if finally shuts up. Pakistan may end up in a civil war and a lot of dirt poor peasants on both sides of the Durand line will die for the glory of commander in chief Obama and the enrichment of the empires elite. Years from now the U.S. will limp out of the area again. Defeated like so many empires who have been defeted in that special place of this world.

Comments

Lord, A’mighty.
If there’s anything i can do to help, let me know.
I love you, and what you do here. Thanks for yelling what needs to be heard.

Posted by: china_hand2 | May 7 2009 18:12 utc | 1

actually I think it is not the Iraq strategy I think it is the Balkan strategy …

Posted by: outsider | May 7 2009 18:13 utc | 2

b sd the other day obama’s war on pakistan was not unlike kissinger’s war on cambodia & i thought there is more than a hint of truth in that

Posted by: remembereringgiap | May 7 2009 18:25 utc | 3

Yeah, I saw it coming, as well, but sadly no one bothered to reply, or add anything to my observations.
Come on, folks. The Harman ordeal isn’t going to change anything. AIPAC’s influence isn’t going to suddenly disappear or be mitigated in some way.
The big deal right now is the Taliban encroaching on Islamabad. Oh know, we’re all doomed. This is the end. The radical jihadist muslims have gone Beneath The Planet Of The Apes and have found the Doomsday bomb.
That’s sarcasm, in case anyone wasn’t sure. It’s the message the MSM is purveying.
Maybe we’re about to see that first test of Obama that Biden promised us. You know, where he said the O man would have to do something really unpopular. A draft, perhaps, to keep the radicals away from the nukes. Conscription for the recent slew of desperate unemployed? Wouldn’t that be grand? Fast food eating, ipod addicted unemployed muricans deployed to Pakistan to crash wedding parties and blow children to smithereens with the latest and greatest high tech weaponry.
We live in a beautiful world.
Posted by: Obamageddon | Apr 23, 2009 8:38:18 PM | 12

Posted by: Obamageddon | May 7 2009 18:34 utc | 4

Anyone with one eye open has been STUNNED at the Full Spectrum Dominance of all things ‘Afghanistan Pakistan’ in the last few days, where did all these reports come from???!!! As though we were living in Swat/FATA from the comfort of our living rooms. Is this another run-up to Iraq, with reporters on hotel balconies as Shekinah pounded away at Saddam’s palaces? Well, hardly…. Islamabad is a crappy background for a morality play, and Swat is way the hell up in the high mountains.
Expect then, this is DIVERSION to the release of the 16-of-19 failed US banks’ stress tests, and the stunning realization that, if 9/11 WTC represented about an $18B hit to the taxpayer and insurance industry, not counting the Bush-Cheney Oil War that followed, then this catastrophic US bank debacle represents WTCs in every US State in the Union going down. Thanks to Greenspan/Bernanke/Summers/Geithner, a WTC just went down in Chicago, Dallas, Nashville, Roanoke. A WTC has crashed to the streets in Huntsville, Tulsa, Sacramento and Scranton. There are WTC’s collapsing all across the nation, imploded, ‘pulled’, slammed into by high-speed financial instruments in the hands of radical fanatics.
None of that $1,000 Bs taxpayer bank-broker bailout money is coming back again.
The hugely corrupt politicians and fat-cat bankers behind the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 will never be tried, prosecuted, fined or sanctioned.
The hugely corrupt financial and retirement companies who pimped the Dot.con, then turned around and pimped the Credit.con will ever see a day in jail, or a $1 fine.
There will be no US war crimes investigations/prosecutions, as we roll into GWOT2 and create even MORE war crimes, this time by UAVs slaughtering 100s at a hellfire.
And sometime this year or early 2010, Congress will ‘pull’ SSTF etc ‘entitlements’ and stick US with a Frankenstein versus of BioPharma nee Single Payer bureaucracy.
As was observed of the Romans, all that were left after the looting was complete were peons and serfs, soldiers and ministers.
You are either Peon, or Politburo, now.
There is no in-between.
Joe Dirt, or Joe Biden.

Posted by: Minnie Wilkozowski | May 7 2009 18:36 utc | 5

the left-right pendulum swing sure is useful.

Posted by: citizen | May 7 2009 18:51 utc | 6

either you picked the wrong word, or there’s more going on there than i realized
this is again very much about the control of carbohydrates

Posted by: b real | May 7 2009 18:56 utc | 7

Smart move by Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani today. He wants the rest of the world to pay for the refugees. That should get their attention.

Posted by: dh | May 7 2009 19:00 utc | 8

Dan Froomkin’s White House Watch at the WashPost site also deals with the state-sponsored mass murder issue – his title is “Any Remorse, Mr. President?”

Posted by: mistah charley, ph.d. | May 7 2009 19:16 utc | 9

I don’t think we’re in Af-Pak to protect the oil pipeline, nor do I think we’re there to drain this corner of the world of its natural resources. I think we’re there so that we can use Af-Pak as a test ground for military robots.
http://i4.democracynow.org/2009/2/6/wired_for_war_the_robotics_revolution
Think about it, no one in their right mind would choose to kill in person and in real time, when they could can do so behind the safety and comfort of a computer screen!

Posted by: Cynthia | May 7 2009 19:17 utc | 10

@b real – @7 thanks – now corrected – my wrong translation from German …

Posted by: b | May 7 2009 19:17 utc | 11

Clinton bombed Yugoslavia, Bush bombed Kabul and Baghdad, Obama has to find new ground.
The other, old, places are pretty much bombed out and now decrepit, useless, one can’t argue for any free market or democratic aims being realised there…not even US control or hegemony having any particular positive effect…no money earned, no control of resources, nothing, or nothing much…it was just a killing spree, the millions of dead and refugees are more trouble than they are worth and bring in zilch…And the dead even provoke sentiment, ppl become insurgents or terrorists or in despair are ready to rebel, cop out, or kill…
Expansion and change are needed. Change you can believe in…Bomb somewhere else! Fresh killing fields! An innovative, fresh, democratic approach!
Kaaa – Booom!

Posted by: Tangerine | May 7 2009 19:19 utc | 12

it has been put forth by others more geopolitically savvy than myself that O’s foreign policy represents a shift from the neocon/zionist obsessed cabal of BushCo to the neolib/z-big obsessed cabal ready for the big showdown between US and China.
with that context, drone attacks in Pakistan would have the intended consequence of destabilizing Pakistan to create the crisis necessary to directly interfere.
sensing the shift in focus, will Israel go even more crazy and preemptively strike Iran? what kind of resistance is Pakistan capable of putting up against US, their dangerous frienemies?
and for those us in the belly of the beast, will loyal/blind supporters of O be able to maintain their brainwashed support when the blowback hits us, again, or will we hang our heads and accept our fate, like forced conscription, because, hey, when the economy tanks, the armed forces is a job, right?

Posted by: Lizard | May 7 2009 19:30 utc | 13

@b, I told you a long time ago that the Empire wants to carve out Balochistan for its own use.
@ outsider. You are right about the balkanization approach.
But would it get anywhere?
I bet that this is a non-starter. And Obama is a bigger idiot than Bush when it comes to geopolitics.

Posted by: a | May 7 2009 20:28 utc | 14

I have been foolishly hoping that the rabid right would oppose Obama on his Pakistan adventure like they did with Clinton in Yugoslavia.
nope, no dice. they love this shit so much they can’t bring themselves to complain about it even when a democrat is doing it. It would have been fun to watch the lefties earnestly argue that this time it is necessary…..now they don’t even have to because everyone is on board.
is this a great country or what!

Posted by: dan of steele | May 7 2009 21:07 utc | 15

dan
hope you’ve got my email
there can be no question that what is going to happen in pakistan is a catastrophe foretold & yep yankee imperialism will be dancing right in the thick of it
the sooner there is a quaker in the white house the better

Posted by: remembereringgiap | May 7 2009 21:19 utc | 16

O lied about Iraq. we know that.
As for Afghanistan, a whole different game. There’s just no way the US can stop COIN in afghanistan and risk a return to pre-9/11 there. No way. Would you? No. Of course you wouldn’t.
And as for Pakistan, fears of talibanization, whatever that means, are propaganda. One would like to hope (isn’t that what one does when it comes to the O?) that the COIN stuff and ostensive democratic reform in Pakistan, mobilizes to limit the subsidy of morons who did Mumbai and did 9/11.
If the “left” is “silent,” dear b, it’s because the complexities of geopol mindfuck demand circumspection.

Posted by: slothrop | May 7 2009 21:35 utc | 17

Yeah, where is this change “we, the people” can beleive in? Again I say, we are all being made fools of by the elite. Innocent people are dying everyday because of current U.S. policies. When will there be enough outrage to stop this, if not in the media brainwashed U.S., what about the rest of the World?

Posted by: Rick Happ | May 7 2009 21:48 utc | 18

I think people here are also caught up in hype. US does not plan to be in Pakistan. I agree with the poster that this may be a diversion. I am kind of tied up right now. Will right more on the issue later.

Posted by: Hasho | May 8 2009 0:00 utc | 19

I have a Paki friend who thinks this is a Paki shake down of the US. It could be that we are seeing another bailout from Congress. The military industrial complex would of course be happy to abet such a plan.
Did you see Gates call for more gear for our ill-equipped Afghan boys? We’ll see more procurements, on that we can all be certain.

Posted by: scott | May 8 2009 0:31 utc | 20

this has been going on for months, no surprise whatsoever.
a, @b, I told you a long time ago that the Empire wants to carve out Balochistan for its own use.
and he told all of us before that. MOA circa 05

Posted by: annie | May 8 2009 1:05 utc | 21

rg@16
the sooner there is a quaker in the white house the better
Nixon was a Quaker. Didn’t do any good.

Posted by: Ensley | May 8 2009 1:30 utc | 22

buyer’s remorse yet annie?

Posted by: ran | May 8 2009 1:50 utc | 23

ensley
i didn’t know that. fuck, you can’t trust anyone

Posted by: remembereringgiap | May 8 2009 1:51 utc | 24

rg, there is something about power that corrupts the souls of all of them; the good, the bad and the ugly.

Posted by: Ensley | May 8 2009 2:05 utc | 25

It’s as easy as sewing a designer label on a cheap knock-off to stick a brand name political tag upon a power-hungry criminal, because that’s what we’ve got plain and simple.
We can argue nuance until we’re dead, or at least blue in the face, but why can’t we call a criminal a criminal?
The Denver Post has been running a comic (I can’t remember the name and I leave the paper at coffee…) about an alternate reality where Obama is the president during the war-crimes trials of the Japanese after wwII and the artist is using Obama’s words to contrast with what happened then vs what’s happening now.
I think it maybe time to elect an atheist or at the very least a gnostic as president because these folks value humans when they are still alive on earth and aren’t so quick to send them to die in a war, like religious folks who figure their reward is waiting in “heaven”

Posted by: DavidS | May 8 2009 3:16 utc | 26

@25,
I think it is more that only the corruptible get to power in most systems.

Posted by: biklett | May 8 2009 3:48 utc | 27

” There’s just no way the US can stop COIN in afghanistan and risk a return to pre-9/11 there.”
just so sloth. our brave freedom fighters are averting that risk by murdering Afghan/Pakistan civilians by the dozens on a daily basis. surely there won’t be an blowback from that.

Posted by: ran | May 8 2009 4:29 utc | 28

Saw a bumper sticker today, that brightened my mostly melancholy day. It said, “I’m against the next war too”!
I put a smile on my face. And made me feel not so alone. Words are powerful sometimes. I think it was the novelist C.S. Lewis who said, “We read to know we are not alone,”
For years, I have had drink at this bar, for just that reason.
Thanks moon-bats. πŸ˜‰
In my case Pilgrim’s Progress consisted in my having to climb down a thousand ladders until I could reach out my hand to the little clod of earth that I am“. ~Carl Jung

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 8 2009 4:31 utc | 29

Jose Gonzalez.
Hat tip to Lizard… and drinks all around. We need em.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 8 2009 4:46 utc | 30

Goddamn typepad…link.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 8 2009 4:49 utc | 31

that was hard to watch, uncle.
thank goodness our fellow citizens are shielded from such unsavory images.
because if they had their noses rubbed in the stink of corpses, well…
that won’t happen, though, so what do we do? if you believe the polls, 68% think the guy with the flashy smile, cute kids, and competently dressed wife is doing just fine.
resistance to proof of continuity and escalation is vigorous.

Posted by: Lizard | May 8 2009 5:49 utc | 32

Uncle @29
Love that bumper sticker! All I can find are tee-shirts on Ebay with the saying. I’m going to keep watching for a sticker to show up.

Posted by: Ensley | May 8 2009 13:33 utc | 33