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April 17, 2009
The ‘Marital Rape Law’ That Isn’t One

There is lot of fuzz in the 'western' media about a marital rape law that is supposed to be implemented in Afghanistan.

There are three big misunderstandings here.

1. Afghanistan is an Islamic Republic and according to its constitution Sharia is already the law of the land except for certain minorities who under the Afghan constitution can settle family disputes under their own jurisprudence. 

2. The 'martial rape' paragraph is part of the 270 page Shia personal status law implementing the civil code for the often abused Shia Hazara minority. It was introduced by the relative conservative Ayatollah Mohammed Asif Mohseni and certainly does not fit our liberal ideals. But the law is urgently needed to protect the minority and has already languished for one and a half year in the parliament. It is good that it passed at all.

3. The law has nothing to do with marital rape. In a comment to a post by Joshua Foust, Sam Zarifi, Amnesty International's Asia Director (but writing in private capacity), translates and comments on the law:

The particular provision that has been mistranslated and misinterpreted as ‘allowing’ marital rape doesn’t do so, legally speaking: article 132 includes the following relevant provisions:

  1. The spouses are obliged to socialize with one another and their parents and family.
  2. The spouses are obliged to cooperate and collaborate for welfare of their families and children.
  3. The spouses must abstain from any actions that would cause the hatred and displeasure of one another; whenever the husband wants his wife to attend to her appearance, the wife is obliged to do so.
  4. The husband is obliged, except during period of travel, to spend the night in one place with his wife at least one night out of four, except when it is harmful to one of the spouses or one of them suffers from a venereal disease. It is the duty of the wife to tend to the husband’s inclination for sexual liaison. The husband is obliged to not postpone intimacy with his wife for more than four months without his wife’s consent. […]

As you can see, this is not an explicit endorsement of marital rape. From a purely legal point of view, the offending language in section (4) (”It is the duty of the wife to tend to the husband’s inclination for sexual liaison”) has to be read in light of section (3)’s injunction against actions that would cause “hatred or displeasure”. And under basic jurisprudential principles the article could be interpreted so as to prohibit rape, in fact.
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So the law is not allowing rape within marriage nor outside. The Telegraph has an interview with Ajatollah Mohseni where he gives his interpretation which sounds about the same.

The 'western' outrage over this will have negative consequences. While the law may now get changed but the outcome of that change may well be worse than the original text. Additionally the 'western' criticism of the Afghan parliament over this is interpreted as Christian interfering in Afghan Islamic affairs (always remember – Islam is as much a legal system as a religious one.) The negative feeling such interference creates will be projected on the Hazaras.

This is not a law 'western' societies would implement today. But let us also acknowledge that equal rights for men and women in marriage in western societies were only implemented during the last 50 years (and in some countries are still not) and that it takes a society time to change.

This is also not the law young liberal Shia women in Afghanistan, many of whom grew up in the more liberal Iran, would like to have. But that is a general problem with minority opinions in a democracy and not something the 'west' should criticize.

And yes, I do feel sorry for the women in Afghanistan that do not have equal rights. I feel also sorry for the women in Ireland who do not have the right to choose and for the women in Germany who in average get payed 20% less than men in comparable positions. And where is the liberal outrage about the status of Saudi women?

Comments

Quick spell check for you b: “martial rape” should read “marital rape” as in your quoted passage. Also, “mangling in Afghan affairs” would sound better as “interfering with” or “intruding in”. Reads better in English that way; as it is I get an image of a mangled Afghan corpse, or mangled English.

Posted by: rapt | Apr 17 2009 17:06 utc | 1

Thanks rapt – mistakes now corrected

Posted by: b | Apr 17 2009 17:22 utc | 2

religions all have this sort of stuff
“A man’s wife is permitted to him. Therefore a man may do whatever he wishes with his wife. He may have intercourse with her at any time he wishes and kiss her on whatever limb of her body he wants. He may have natural or un-natural relations , as long as he does not bring forth seed in vain. However, it is a sign of piety not to show too much levity but to sanctify himself at the time of intercourse… A man should not depart from the way of the world and its custom because its ultimate purpose is procreation. (Mishnah Torah Issurei Biah 21:9)
source, jewish values
it also says If a man is found lying with another man’s wife, both of them – the man and the woman with whom he lay – shall die. Thus you will sweep away evil from Israel (Deuteronomy 22:22)
whatever!

Posted by: annie | Apr 17 2009 18:34 utc | 3

When you refer to women in Ireland not having the right to choose you mean the right to kill their unborn babies.(neither can they kill them after birth) ‘Choose’ does sound better than ‘abortion or kill ?’. Of course abortion is allowed if the Mothers life is in danger . There are other reasons and I think most are satisfied as no one here is complaining. I believe it is wrong to kill a defenceless child born or unborn.
Apart from that I think your MOA is brilliant. Thank you.

Posted by: boindub | Apr 17 2009 19:09 utc | 4

Oh come ON. Check this out: “The spouses must abstain from any actions that would cause the hatred and displeasure of one another; whenever the husband wants his wife to attend to her appearance, the wife is obliged to do so.”
So in the same sentence, the husband must not do anything that causes his wife’s displeasure but she is obliged to “attend to her appearance” if he wants her to. Clearly, displeasure doesn’t work both ways. A husband is not obliged to attend to HIS appearance and a wife must do so even if it causes her displeasure. I’m sure it works the same way for sexual intercourse.
No, this would not be the business of the West because the West isn’t much interested in protecting women’s human rights. Men from my country, Canada, died the day that law was announced. Yesterday, Karine Blais, a Canadian soldier, came home in a coffin. I think what people are asking is, why are we fighting for THIS? In my view, the answer is, we were never fighting for it. The notion that the US went to Afghanistan even in part to improve that country and to save women from the Taliban always was farcical. Some people resent the ruse.
I agree that Afghanistan ought to move ahead in whatever way a democratically elected government decides. The fact that the Karzai government is virtually a puppet of the US is of some concern in this respect. The US should spend enormous amounts of money helping Afghanistan recover from the last seven years of US interference and decades of wars imposed from the outside. The Taliban would not likely be there if the US hadn’t put them there in the power vacuum caused by the Russian war.
Meantime, I will support the women of Afghanistan who took to the streets to protest this law which clearly obliges them to have sex even if they don’t want to =rape. And were pelted with stones by Afghan men.

Posted by: hysperia | Apr 17 2009 19:13 utc | 5

When you refer to women in Ireland not having the right to choose you mean the right to kill their unborn babies.
i doubt that is what he meant. that is not what i read anyway. he was probably referring to the right to kill an embryo (realistically, most abortions) or fetus. most states have laws about late term abortions many which include circumstances regarding the health of the mother or viability of the fetus.

Posted by: annie | Apr 18 2009 0:43 utc | 6

Yes, annie. I was just about to say:
for 10,000 years, “baby” meant what came out of the womb, or what kicked inside it, while “child” was something that was clearly crawling or walking around.
Odd how, in the last 20 years, “baby” and “child” have suddenly gotten extended to mean “blastocyst” and “fetus”. What’s next, i wonder: sperm?
FOX news, 2050:
“…and the Neo-Bushian League has just implemented the War Against Masturbation, which will save untold trillions of unborn children every hour. Nano-tech GPS systems will be implanted in every boy at birth, to track and measure the product of his glans as he passes through puberty…..”

Posted by: china_hand2 | Apr 18 2009 2:18 utc | 7

This is standard sharia and nothing alarming. The husband may not force her to do anything, may not demand she change diapers nor clean the house. A woman is supposed to welcome her husband’s advances, though we were married under these same precepts, it doesn’t stop my wife from kicking and making a fuss when I give her a nudge after she’s nodded off.

Posted by: scott | Apr 18 2009 2:46 utc | 8

The democrat ‘good war’ -as opposed to Iraq, a bad war – was always Afghanistan. Rationale:
Afgh. harbored the terror mastermind and refused to turn him over… So Afgh is somehow responsible for 9/11, or at any rate the only country around one can legitimately blame … (all ludicrous from start to finish.)
Afgh. is (was) a religious dictatorship. The Taliban are Islamofascists. Half-baked intellectual pseudo-leftist could not in conscience tax Saddam with the religious part…
There are (were) cool freedom fighters there (Northern Alliance, the Lion of Panshir, etc.)
Women are oppressed and their position is truly appalling, girls get no schooling, women wear burkas, give birth in stone huts, etc.
Western obsessions with women’s bodies and clothing on strident display… At heart another Colonialist ploy – remember when savages were told to dress in shirtwaists and suits? Pressed, with cuffs? And sparkling white, if you please?
Yes, the Taliban were horrendous towards women – I’ve explained this before; half of doctors, teachers and 45% state personnel, were women, etc. – some of the best stats. in the world – and the Taliban found this simple means of destruction the better to take power. No expensive jails or nasty beheadings – send them home and cancel their jobs, influence, travel, etc.
The truth is that women were best off in the kingdom(s) and after the ‘coup’ of 78. Then war – always devastating.
Improving the position of women by bombing women and children from the air? No.

Posted by: Tangerine | Apr 18 2009 16:23 utc | 9

“So Afgh is somehow responsible for 9/11, or at any rate the only country around one can legitimately blame”
Your perennial repetition of horseshit, tangerine.
Here is as close as you will get to your preferred “readings” of the history.
Relevant documents here.

Posted by: slothrop | Apr 18 2009 16:56 utc | 10

Also, applying you logic of cultural equivalencies, stoning to death gay men in central asia is no more or less appalling than Mississippi’s reluctance to permit gay marriage.
Credulity in the service of your purist ideology is most often a lie.

Posted by: slothrop | Apr 18 2009 17:08 utc | 11

Sometimes I despair of Western non-Muslims ever understanding Islam or Muslim culture. They seem to deliberately misunderstand any and every aspect about the subjects. As Scott pointed out, this is part of Shari’ah, and is both culturally and religiously mandated:

Unless there is a genuine and legitimate reason, the refusal of the partner’s advances is forbidden in Islam. It is a hurtful rejection. Men and women should realize that sometimes the partner has a very strong urge, which may prevent sleep, and should be kind. The texts of Shari’ah affirm that the wife, too, has the right to sex. It was recommended not to neglect a wife for more than four days.
Caliph Umar reckoned a woman had the right to sex at least every four days (one reason why a man should not marry more than four women); Imam Abu Talib al-Makki added ‘if he knows she needs more, he is obliged to comply. (Zabidi, Ithaf, v. 373).
Emphasis author’s. Ruqaiyyah Waris Maqsood, “The Muslim Marriage Guide,” p. 174

This is part of Islamic culture. As b pointed out, the law – and even the notion – that husband and wife have sex once every four days isn’t marital rape. But some people seem intent on misinterpreting this legislation in exactly that way.

Posted by: JDsg | Apr 20 2009 1:08 utc | 12

ve a problem with that. It is when religious culture is enacted into law that I have a problem. Especially one that talks about a “right” over another person and allows the state to rule on what goes on in the bedrooms of its own citizens. After all we are talking about a country that recently sentanced a man to death for converting to christianity. This is naturally alien to a culture that believes in the seperation of church and state after witnessing the burning of witches and the massacres of holy wars.
This is not just a western view but one of the arguments put forth by leading Arab scholars and researchers in the Arab Human Development Report. Reasonable people can argue whether haveing children memorize the koran, or teaching them math and science, is better for society, but the results speak for themselves.

Posted by: Sam | Apr 20 2009 5:06 utc | 13

Sorry try again:
JDsg @ 12:
This is part of Islamic culture. As b pointed out, the law – and even the notion – that husband and wife have sex once every four days isn’t marital rape. But some people seem intent on misinterpreting this legislation in exactly that way.
If people want to live that way, all the power to them. I don’t have a problem with that. It is when religious culture is enacted into law that I have a problem. Especially one that talks about a “right” over another person and allows the state to rule on what goes on in the bedrooms of its own citizens. After all we are talking about a country that recently sentanced a man to death for converting to christianity. This is naturally alien to a culture that believes in the seperation of church and state after witnessing the burning of witches and the massacres of holy wars.
This is not just a western view but one of the arguments put forth by leading Arab scholars and researchers in the Arab Human Development Report. Reasonable people can argue whether haveing children memorize the koran, or teaching them math and science, is better for society, but the results speak for themselves.

Posted by: Sam | Apr 20 2009 5:07 utc | 14

@ Sam:
It is when religious culture is enacted into law that I have a problem. Especially one that talks about a “right” over another person and allows the state to rule on what goes on in the bedrooms of its own citizens.
Personally, I was surprised that most of Article 132 had to be written in the first place. The spouses are obliged to socialize with one another and their parents and family. This needed to be codified into law? But let’s not forget that many, many countries – and not just Afghanistan – have and continue to rule on what goes on in bedrooms. Sex is always going to be regulated in some fashion, regardless of how many libertarians pout and stomp their feet.
This is naturally alien to a culture that believes in the seperation of church and state after witnessing the burning of witches and the massacres of holy wars.
Irrelevant. Not every country subscribes to that idea, and what your personal opinions are (or mine) aren’t relevant to the case at hand. You’re just expressing culture shock.
Reasonable people can argue whether haveing children memorize the koran, or teaching them math and science, is better for society, but the results speak for themselves.
And most Muslims worldwide would say, let them do both. There’s certainly nothing wrong with that.
Be careful; you’re dangerously close to proving my original point.

Posted by: JDsg | Apr 20 2009 8:12 utc | 15

JDsg @ 15:
And most Muslims worldwide would say, let them do both. There’s certainly nothing wrong with that.
Be careful; you’re dangerously close to proving my original point.

Read the Arab Human Development Report because you are clearly missing my point.

Posted by: Sam | Apr 20 2009 12:58 utc | 16

@ Sam #16:
I’m familiar with the AHDRs, actually four of them, and I do realize that the Muslim world needs improvement in terms of better education, as does many other parts of the world, including some areas of the US. But technically speaking, the AHDRs are only with respect to the Arab world, which constitutes about 19% or so of the Muslim world (of which the country in question, Afghanistan, isn’t even part of). However, when I talk about Muslims worldwide, I really do mean worldwide. Conditions for Muslims worldwide vary greatly, some doing abysmally and some doing very well, thank you very much. Countries like Afghanistan need to be understood in their context; in Afghanistan’s case, not only the near-incessant wars since the Soviet invasion, but also the cultural context as well. For example, in Islam, the man is supposed to be the provider for the wife and children. Women are not required to work, let alone support the family (although they may if they so choose). In a country like Afghanistan where work is scarce, I can understand why women might be shunted aside out of their employment. I don’t agree with it, but I at least understand the motivations. The problem with non-Muslims, Westerners in particular, is that the vast majority have no clue about motivations; they only look at the situation at the surface-level, the so-called “marital rape law” being an excellent example. In your case, you seem to be thinking that in a madrassah, the only thing being taught is the memorization of the Qur’an. That may be the case in those madrassahs that are the poorest of the poor, but it’s not true of the vast majority of madrassahs worldwide. Those kids get a regular education just like any other parochial school student. And Muslim parents are just like any non-Muslim parent, wanting the best for their children, regardless of the country, ethnicity or culture. In the Muslim world, that includes math and science along with memorizing the Qur’an.

Posted by: JDsg | Apr 20 2009 15:38 utc | 17