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April 13, 2009
No Victory Over Piracy

There is some collective masturbation in the U.S. media about the freeing of the U.S. captain Phillips and the navy killing three of the pirates that were with him. WaPo headlines it as An Early Military Victory for Obama.

A few more of such victories and shipping around Somalia will really be in trouble.

So far the pirates refrained from doing personal harm to the ships crews. They took some ransom and left everyone free to go. They did not damage the ships or the cargo. Backed by their insurances, the shipowners were willing to pay up. As only 0.1-0.3% of the ships sailing through the the Gulf of Aden were captured, insurance premiums did increase only modestly. With shipping rates near record lows the total damage to the world economy was minimal.

All that may now change:

"The French and the Americans will regret starting this killing. We do not kill, but take only ransom. We shall do something to anyone we see as French or American from now," Hussein, a pirate, told Reuters by satellite phone.

There are only very few U.S. or French flagged international trade ships on the oceans at all so it is unlikely that the pirates will get a chance to do harm to French or U.S. crews. But I expect the situation to escalate anyway. From now on the pirates will be more nervous and likely more trigger-happy. They may start coordinated attacks, take hostages to land or damage ships or cargo. Insurance premiums will increase.

There certainly were better ways to deal with the situation. The hostage could have been freed with a moderate ransom payment. The culprits could have been overwhelmed after that and brought to trial in Kenya or elsewhere.

Then there is the whole issue of 'follow the money'. We are told that millions are payed to the pirates but none of the money can be tracked down? At the same time where every charity dollar to Palestine gets scrutiny that his hard to believe. And who are the people behind this business. I doubt this piracy surge, which beyond the attacks foreign fishing trawlers seems to be at least partly organized crime, is directed solely from Somali ground.

Piracy, like 'terrorism', is a criminal act that should be answered with policing, not with billion dollar warships and executions. The U.S. made the huge mistake of answering to 9/11 by military means. It now made the same mistake with regards to piracy.

I fear that Obama's 'victory' here will turn out to be like Bush's 'victory' at Tora Bora. The starting point of a very costly  and bloody campaign in which will no one will win.

Comments


U.S. Military Considers Attacks on Somali Pirates’ Land Bases

Posted by: annie | Apr 13 2009 14:12 utc | 1

I agree, I found the round-the-clock propaganda as horrifyingly stomach-churning as what happened during the worst days of the Bush Administration. The ship´s captain a ´hero´ (Bullshit, he was just trying to stay alive), the Navy seals all ´heroes´ (they were never in danger and merely used the pirates´ heads for target practice), etc.,.
I agree the global community should take strong and decisive action against piracy, but please omit all the jingoistic self-congratulation and artificial creation of “true American heroes” (Anyone remember Pat Tilman, who was supposed to have wiped out an entire Taleban brigade before succumbing to the enemy´s bullets, but whose sole combat activity was revealed as his having been killed by “friendly fire”? Or the reluctant female soldier Jessica Lynch who had allegedly “been captured in a fierce firefight with Iraqis” and was “freed during a daring U.S. raid” when in fact she admitted that there were no guards, she was treated well by the Iraqi medical staff and had been captured without having fired a single bullet?).
U.S. Exceptionalist propaganda will never cease. We´ll just have to learn to live with the B.S. and keep exposing it for what it is.

Posted by: Parviz | Apr 13 2009 14:54 utc | 2

open questions re this setup

  • how many hijackers were involved in the initial boarding? media reports indicate four hijackers involved in this incident – how unusual was it for only four hijackers to attempt to commandeer a vessel of this size? was it flying a u.s. flag at the time?

  • media reports state that the hijackers sank their own skiffs after boarding. has this behavior occurred previously? what was the purpose? how did they sink them?

  • are there any cases of somali pirates holding an individual, and not a ship, hostage? how did the hijackers end up in the ship’s lifeboat? did they commandeer it? were they enticed? was it through a process of negotiation?

  • why were the negotiations w/ the somali elders unable to move forward? who controlled the negotiations for the u.s. side – the fbi or military?

  • what was the purpose of the use of the commando boat? to draw fire to guage the hijackers weapon capacity? to draw fire to shape a narrative and justify escalation?

  • how did the one hijacker end up on the uss bainbridge to negotiate w/ u.s. officials?

  • how did the bainbridge end up towing the lifeboat prior to the assassinations?

  • media reports state that the maersk alabama was orginally scheduled to arrive at the port in mombasa on april 16th. was that date correct? and, if so, what accounts for the gap from the date it left the port at djibouti?

  • why did the maersk alabama make a stop in djibouti? did it load or unload any containers? if so, what was that cargo? were there military supplies for delivery to the security forces in mogadishu?

  • where did the maersk alabama load the cargo of reported humanitarian supplies? when will it offload this reported cargo in mombasa?

    Posted by: b real | Apr 13 2009 15:00 utc | 3

    collective masturbation is an apt term describing the media coverage, but c’mon, what do y’all expect? you think the media can pass up the chance to rally the ‘merican public behind this overblown oceanic execution? there will be a little extra spring in a lot of steps this Monday morning as folks head to their jobs (if they still have one). yeah, those navy sharpshooters capped those damn pirates. they got what they deserved. don’t fuck with the US. blah, blah, blah.
    U.S. Exceptionalist propaganda will never cease which is why some of us cynics have insisted on placing Obama’s rhetoric within this context, much to the consternation of many here, and elsewhere.

    Posted by: Lizard | Apr 13 2009 15:06 utc | 4

    the whole thing smells fishy to me. i don’t get what the big success is. some special forces navy seals were able to kill some pirates in a boat on the open sea. ya think? i would have been much more impresses had they gotten control of the vessel, the captive and arrested the pirates.
    the whole thing smells like a pretext for us invading somalia. also none of the msm stories even mention the land grab from UN/kenya/transitional government. as if there is this assumption it isn’t connected. what if this rescue is just a huge distraction away from the real conflict that is passing under the radar?

    Posted by: annie | Apr 13 2009 15:11 utc | 5

    In a news story, I saw that there are about 270 crew members being held for ransom by pirates. Here’s one from Nov. 2008: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7733482.stm. So with all the celebrating surrounding this particular… rescue, what about the 269 others who remain in this situation? Oh, I should mention that none of these 269 are US citizens.

    Posted by: jeff in chicago | Apr 13 2009 15:17 utc | 6

    b real @ 3-
    Some great questions… Might I add, why the dog and pony show regarding secrecy and the crew of the ship? NPR made it sound like they were debriefing a space shuttle crew that encountered aliens… Arghhh me mateys, prirates – ignore the economy, ignore the bankers.
    With the economy tanking I think the media may be turning the pirates into modern Bonnie and Clydes. How soon before copycat pirates start stealing boats and booty in other places? How about here in the U.S.? The chinook salmon season is closed to everyone this year and there are bound to be fishermen hurting that might be able to justify such kookiness.
    I see the media focusing on the pirates as just one in a bunch of tiny fractures starting to crack the facade. Maybe they don’t realize it yet, but there are a lot of scared, angry people in the world who find glimmers of hope in these dark stories… And that the dead pirates will likely become as much heros as the famous shoe-thrower… Anyone who has the balls (or ovaries ) to challenge the status quo is tearing away the gauze hiding the real monsters.
    b real, good reporting! We should name you the MoAn ambassador to Africa! Thank you.

    Posted by: DavidS | Apr 13 2009 15:34 utc | 7

    Or maybe the “pirates” will think twice about boarding american-registered ships.
    Or maybe the pirates will surround and destroy the US navy.

    Posted by: slothrop | Apr 13 2009 15:38 utc | 8

    A good piece at Huffington Post about this.

    Posted by: beq | Apr 13 2009 16:27 utc | 9

    one can always count on sloth to share his macho feelings on killing. he most likely has his keyboard all sticky from imagining himself shooting wicked bad guys in the head.
    what a pathetic little putz.

    Posted by: dan of steele | Apr 13 2009 16:32 utc | 10

    again

    Posted by: beq | Apr 13 2009 16:35 utc | 11

    keyboard all sticky
    hee hee

    Posted by: annie | Apr 13 2009 16:53 utc | 12

    The pirates are folk heroes. Somali chicks want to marry them. (Or just have some time with them.) Mothers are proud and anxious. Little children aspire to become pirates. Graphic novels about them are best sellers. Many papers are filled with their exploits.

    Posted by: Tangerine | Apr 13 2009 17:18 utc | 13

    robin hood and marian

    Posted by: annie | Apr 13 2009 18:06 utc | 14

    i’m frightened that sloth will turn into our glenn beck

    Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 13 2009 18:11 utc | 15

    Come on, it’s obvious: the piracy is being is being allowed by the US, for any number of reasons –such as a pretext for more intervention in Somalia, or more nefarious reasons such as a reward for cooperation with the US inside the country. These guys either weren’t part of a sanctioned group or overstepped and had to be taken out –given all the publicity.
    To believe otherwise you have to believe we’re not willing to take out a land base or one of the “mother ships” with a predator strike while we regularly paste Pakistan with predator strikes that the Pakistani government says have killed 700 innocent people and 14 “terrorists.” And we can’t follow the money? BS.
    Also, these shipping lines send their crews into hostile waters unarmed, all that is, except Zim container lines, whose crews are fully armed and combat trained Israelis. How many Zim ships are being pirated? I wouldn’t serve on a ship if I was not allowed to properly defend myself.
    I’m against a great deal of how this country employs our military, but we did here was completely legitimate. A minimum of force was used in a difficult tactical situation. Criminals were killed and and innocent man was spared.
    Violence should be a last resort but you don’t get to a civilized world by yielding to thugs at gunpoint either.

    Posted by: hermesten | Apr 13 2009 19:08 utc | 16

    remembereringgiap@15-
    And put me out of work? 🙂

    Posted by: DavidS | Apr 13 2009 19:11 utc | 17

    You’re comparing the rescue mission in Somalia (because that’s what it was) to the invasion of Afghanistan after 9/11? Talk about mental masturbation… you’re overdoing it just a little bit. Do you really think that we should have just sent the FBI to Tora Bora and asked bin Laden to come out and answer a few questions?
    Grow up. They were pirates, they took their chances. They want to step up and play in the big leagues, then they better know the price of admission.

    Posted by: J. | Apr 13 2009 19:22 utc | 18

    I’d say the cost of boarding US vessels and holding crews hostage, has been escalated.
    And no, Tora Bora and shooting somali pirates are not commensurate events in the gwot; though, the “pirate” imbroglios serve the usual rhetorical function of relegating any and all opposition to global commerce as irrational, crazed fanaticism.

    Posted by: slothrop | Apr 13 2009 19:29 utc | 19

    I recommend Johann Hari’s article (probably the HuffPo feature referred to upthread?) about the Somali pirates as a textbook example of blowback.

    In 1991, the government of Somalia – in the Horn of Africa – collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since – and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country’s food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.
    Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: “Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury – you name it.” Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to “dispose” of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: “Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention.”
    At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia’s seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish-stocks by over-exploitation – and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea-life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia’s unprotected seas. The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: “If nothing is done, there soon won’t be much fish left in our coastal waters.”
    This is the context in which the men we are calling “pirates” have emerged. Everyone agrees they were ordinary Somalian fishermen who at first took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least wage a ‘tax’ on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia – and it’s not hard to see why. In a surreal telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was “to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters… We don’t consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas.” William Scott would understand those words.
    No, this doesn’t make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters – especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But the “pirates” have the overwhelming support of the local population for a reason.

    Freedom Fighters or Terrorists? depends who’s writing the press release.
    Some good history of Anglophone pirate history also in this essay.

    Posted by: DeAnander | Apr 13 2009 19:31 utc | 20

    oops, I meant “some good summary of Anglophone pirate history”
    sorry

    Posted by: DeAnander | Apr 13 2009 19:31 utc | 21

    I have heard a very clever new apologia for the “war on pirates” from a tanker skipper I met in the boatyard: “no one paid attention to these thugs as long as they were just killing and kidnapping little brown people, but now that they’ve seized some white Americans something will be done.” So now the war on pirates is a blow for racial justice?
    It’s amazing what historical amnesia can do — has a kind of M C Escher effect on the worldview so that water can flow uphill and people can walk down the underneath of staircases.

    Posted by: DeAnander | Apr 13 2009 19:34 utc | 22

    A monopoly on the systematic use of violence and threats of violence is the most fundamental possession of a political order and defines its sphere of influence. Whether you like that or not depends on how you feel about the political order in question; an order that does not maintain this monopoly is not much of an order at all, maybe that would be preferred by some. The damning thing about the order in question is that violence is sometimes used when expropriation is attempted without violence. These incidents are worth complaining about.
    BTW, the people behind this are doing nothing to stop any dumping of waste or illegal fishing – operating on that smaller scale would still give freelancers plenty of money and keep them under the Navy’s radar. The bosses of the dead guys were just looking to score big.
    The Maersk crew probably did illegal stuff running the pirates off and have to keep quiet or be put on trial for it. I have known 3 merchant marine guys and a lobsterman from the US and somehow having m-14s, SKSs or AKs handy always seems to come up. I think some wacko crewman lived the dream, no sticky keyboard involved.

    Posted by: boxcar mike | Apr 13 2009 19:54 utc | 23

    England got its start pirating the gold the Spaniards were stealing from America… anglophone pirate history is a complicated thing. primary theft baby.

    Posted by: boxcar mike | Apr 13 2009 19:57 utc | 24

    What Somalia needs is a state. But God forbid if it is based on Islamic Courts. Invasion and Occupation by Christian Ethiopia was the American response. Piracy is the blowback.
    The total obliviousness of the American government to human nature and the value of others has one basic fault. The excess profits from war blinds the recipients to costs in money and blood they are forcing others to pay. The cash allows war profiteers and bought politicians to ignore the futility of it all. Propaganda hides reality from the rest.

    Posted by: VietnamVet | Apr 13 2009 20:02 utc | 25

    I keep thinking that this whole affair is starting to look more and more like Grenada. When Reagan needed to boost the public’s perception of the US military, he manufactured a war against an enemy who couldn’t win. Now we’re going to go and bomb Somalian costal ports into slag (and probably try out some nifty new weaponry) and engage in much chest-pounding…

    Posted by: Obelix | Apr 14 2009 1:03 utc | 26

    & the language they use, as always, obscene – speaking of ‘flawless’ shots – when what they are talking about is common assasination

    Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 14 2009 1:17 utc | 27

    Somalian piracy ain’t new it existed since centuries, even since a man coud buid a boat.
    When piracy in these aeras concern was looting goods, it was considered as a normal modus vivendi by the former ottoman empire rulers, they also become their quot-part.
    Now it was still a surviving mean by the last decades ; but since they started to hijack ships, hold hostages with arms, and ask for a ransom this piracy has become a organised criminal enterprise, the pirats are trained with heavy arms for facing bigger ships. This is not individuals that want to make some more butter on their earnings, this is an organised traffic that brings much more money than drugs traffics.
    And guess which countries sponsorise such an enterprise, the rogue states that protect jihadists ; the money they get from their criminal actions serves to buy more arms or to manufacture bomblets that explode in our subways, streets, whatever… it serves to pay the idiots’s families whose relation is chosen for blowing himself up where it is useful.
    So this kind of piracy has nothing to be near of the legends that we used to hear.
    The pirats must be judged as criminal for such behaviour as if they were living in our countries. Besides you can’t rely on Somalia for making piracy cease, there isn’t any real government, this is a no-man’s land as far as the laws.
    So, these pirats being judged by our countries are/will be better treated than they would by their peers ; it is also a way to prevent them from carrying their “war” on our economies and people ; though, Somalia surviving should also become our main worry for the next years

    Posted by: Marie Claude | Apr 14 2009 2:38 utc | 28

    @28 – that has to be the stupidest comment i’ve seen all day, and that’s saying quite a lot

    Posted by: b real | Apr 14 2009 2:44 utc | 29

    Thanks Marie Claude@28,
    I really do feel your pain and please remain vigilant. These are difficult times and any one of us could wake up any morning now and theres five barrels of nuclear waste sitting in the driveway.
    Faithfully & Sincerely Yours,
    Jony B. Cool

    Posted by: jony_b_cool | Apr 14 2009 6:33 utc | 30

    b real 3, yes. So many holes in the official story that it might as well be dense fog.
    boxcar mike 23.The Maersk crew probably did illegal stuff… There must be something of the sort hidden in that fog. According to Xinhua, FBI and Coast Guard are debriefing crew about how hijackers were thwarted, but details will not be made public.
    Reading the Mon NYT account for some hint of real events, it becomes more surreal:
    – Reportedly, the lifeboat w/hijackers & captive was !being towed on 100 ft towline by US military ship, at the time of shooting, because the lifeboat had run out of fuel.
    – But, reports the article, the US was very concerned that the lifeboat should not reach Somali land.
    – It was determined that the hostage was “in imminent danger” after the US prez on Saturday morning approved use of military force, “if hostage were in imminent danger.” And after specialized forces were moved onto the ship the same day. And at dusk, when snipers with night vision goggles acquired an important advantage over pirates.
    – They say that the pirates fired a single tracer shot just before they were shot. Without more description of the tracer, hard to choose an explanation. Bright tracers can disable night vision tools. A tracer could also signal. With two pirates leaning out windows, if they were, surely one possibility is that they were preparing to slip away in the night, isn’t it? Preparing to cut the tow line? Or more…?
    When the superficial story is hopelessly opaque, what chance that a fuller narrative & questions like b real’s or Hari’s will ever break through?

    Posted by: small coke | Apr 14 2009 9:23 utc | 31

    hat has to be the stupidest comment i’ve seen all day, and that’s saying quite a lot
    Posted by: b real | Apr 13, 2009 10:44:25 PM | 29
    oh, I see, the wittest guy with one response, oh the poor expoited people! have a nice trip on somalian waters

    Posted by: Marie Claude | Apr 14 2009 11:45 utc | 32

    I really do feel your pain and please remain vigilant. These are difficult times and any one of us could wake up any morning now and theres five barrels of nuclear waste sitting in the driveway.
    Faithfully & Sincerely Yours,
    Jony B. Cool
    Posted by: jony_b_cool | Apr 14, 2009 2:33:42 AM | 30
    Are you suggessig that we put them here ?
    cuz I tell ya you’re really misinformed on how we treat the nuclear wastes at La Hague, please google this place.
    now, your nuclear electricity is the result of some old soviet plutonium sticks, that were retreated in La Hague.
    as you seem all have a vague idea about nuclear energy, I recommand you to read
    http://www.terrestrialenergy.org/blog/

    Posted by: Marie Claude | Apr 14 2009 12:05 utc | 33

    UN assessment (pdf)

    Further, Somalia is one of the many Least Developed Countries that reportedly received countless shipments of illegal nuclear and toxic waste dumped along the coastline. Starting from the early 1980s and continuing into the civil war, the hazardous waste dumped along Somalia’s coast comprised uranium radioactive waste, lead, cadmium, mercury, industrial, hospital, chemical, leather treatment and other toxic waste. Most of the waste was simply dumped on the beaches in containers and disposable leaking barrels which ranged from small to big tanks without regard to the health of the local population and any environmentally devastating impacts.

    The impact of the tsunami stirred up hazardous waste deposits on the beaches around North Hobyo
    (South Mudug) and Warsheik (North of Benadir). Contamination from the waste deposits has thus
    caused health and environmental problems to the surrounding local fishing communities including
    contamination of groundwater. Many people in these towns have complained of unusual health problems
    as a result of the tsunami winds blowing towards inland villages. The health problems include acute
    respiratory infections, dry heavy coughing and mouth bleeding, abdominal haemorrhages, unusual skin
    chemical reactions, and sudden death after inhaling toxic materials.

    Posted by: b | Apr 14 2009 12:48 utc | 34

    & the language they use, as always, obscene – speaking of ‘flawless’ shots – when what they are talking about is common assasination
    Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 13, 2009 9:17:46 PM | 27

    And thus, the heart of the matter.
    Just wanted to jump on and say that….
    The manufactured reality and manufactured truths of propagenda always leaves out the “mobile truth” and “fluid law[s]” and ultimately gives us neutralized, and retributive justice, forgetting ethical pluralism, which boils down to neutralized news, neutralized reality, neutralized truth. Invented reality, pharisaism, a hypocrisy.
    As the recent Joe Bageant article anna missed posted, we all consent to our cultural hallucination, The American Hologram, the “theater state.” As Colin Wilson wrote, “The average man is a conformist, accepting miseries and disasters with the stoicism of a cow standing in the rain.”

    Television constitutes our reality in the same fashion that water constitutes the environment in a goldfish bowl. It’s everywhere and affects everything, even when we are not watching it. Television regulates our national perceptions and our interior ideations of who we Americans are. It schedules our cultural illusions of choice

    .

    Swimming in a fish bowl,
    Year after year,
    Running over the same old ground.
    What have we found
    The same old fears.
    Wish you were here.

    “There is no rampart that will hold out against malice”.~Molière

    Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 14 2009 13:17 utc | 35

    How To Disappear Completely

    Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 14 2009 13:28 utc | 36

    marie claude @ 32
    here are the stupid words what you wrote earlier:
    And guess which countries sponsorise such an enterprise, the rogue states that protect jihadists ; the money they get from their criminal actions serves to buy more arms or to manufacture bomblets that explode in our subways, streets, whatever…

    the organized gang part of it is reportedly ran primarily out of kenya, london, canada & the UAE. i suppose you have proof that links the income from the ransoms to terrorist activities in “our subways, streets, whatever”?
    it serves to pay the idiots’s families whose relation is chosen for blowing himself up where it is useful
    sounds like you are trying to conflate propaganda used earlier against saddam hussein into all this somehow…
    The pirats must be judged as criminal for such behaviour as if they were living in our countries.
    those that transpire in international waters are governed by international laws. those in somali territory accrue to that nation. puntland, despite its official & clannish role in propagating piracy, IUU fishing & dumping, etc, does arrest & try suspected “pirates”. the new govt has made public stmts requesting int’l support to build its security forces & coast guard.
    Besides you can’t rely on Somalia for making piracy cease, there isn’t any real government, this is a no-man’s land as far as the laws.
    there are plenty of men, women & children in somalia. are you saying that they cannot handle this? there are reasonably functioning govts in somaliland & puntland. there are unofficial govt rule & admin throughout central & southern somalia. the islamists have been very effective in curbing banditry, illegal roadblocks, the qat trade, illegal possession of firearms, etc.
    you are correct if infer that there is no legitimate central govt in somalia. they have been imposed by outside powers for the last two decades now, the most recent being selected by the united states. still, when you declare that “this is no-man’s land as far as the laws (sic)” what definition of “laws” do you base your assumption on? the ICU was able to stop acts of piracy in the second half of 2006 through several means, not least of which was an enforcement of shari’a that threatened amputations for apprehended thieves. would that qualify as a law in your book?
    So, these pirats being judged by our countries are/will be better treated than they would by their peers;
    what century do you live in? pull yr head out of the kipling & use yr own brain
    it is also a way to prevent them from carrying their “war” on our economies and people
    what “war” are you alluding too? jihad? there have been no links established b/w these criminal gangs & the islamists. stop spreading such stupid nonsense. please.
    if you want to attack any party for messing w/ “your” economies, a focus on the insurers & the military would yield better support for such arguments

    Posted by: b real | Apr 14 2009 14:38 utc | 37

    b real lecturer in chief, you’re so courageous with your discourses, why you don’t go there for practicing your benevolence, Umm, I guess as a UN supporter reports, that will help you.
    check how many range rovers are sold there, the guis don’t care of your cheap empathy
    eh, oh, jump on the quick insults LMAO

    Posted by: Marie Claude | Apr 14 2009 15:38 utc | 38

    MC- Got a bee in your bonnet?
    b real does more good with one of his post than… Ahhh, no use arguing with bricks 🙁
    Why is it that when a person gets backed up against a wall arguing they resort to the tired second grade ideology of, “if you love her so much, why don’t you marry her?”
    If we were discussing something laughable like say… Television… then it might funny. But there are so many real troubles in the world, why would anyone waste their effort and the rest of the world’s time with such trollish comments?
    Ms Claude I hope you have a wonderful day and find something other than quick insults to laugh your ass off over.

    Posted by: DavidS | Apr 14 2009 15:58 utc | 39

    facts threaten the talking pts of the neocon reconstructive narrative makers. everyone knows thus far there is no evidence the somalian pirates are funneling funds to disrupt our society creating a terrorist threat against the US ‘homeland’. even the neocon kaplan last night on charlie rose was speaking in hypotheticals about what threat they could pose, if they aligned w/AQ.
    double yawn.
    b real lecturer in chief
    lol, should we b so lucky! usually we just get the one line (or one paragraph) commentaries because the links speak for themselves. funny it is usually so quiet from the trolls on the african sites. i guess current events demands some blogger for the empire come here and try tickling b real’s nerves. what a joke. these threads are a gold mine, and they know it.
    we are so lucky to have you b real. let’s just ignore the troll from now on.

    Posted by: annie | Apr 14 2009 17:44 utc | 40

    there remain a few things that puzzle me about this story. it is truly tragic that 3 young men were killed and it is wrong for people to dump waste in the ocean. it is also harmful to overfish the ocean. however, it is also wrong to kidnap. these teenagers were armed and took over a ship with the intent of getting some money. that is also wrong.
    now for the part of the snipers killing those three men or boys, that was almost necessary wasn’t it? These guys had got caught, they were in a small boat that was tied to a US Navy warship, it had to have been clear that their luck had run out. So, the only cards they held were to give up and face the music or try for a better deal and for this they had to threaten the life of the captain.
    at this point the US military has to do something. no one could have lived with the thought that those desparados killed the captain within a stone’s throw of the most powerful Navy on earth. I suspect that if that captain had been my son I would have asked for the same solution.
    so while the Somalis are getting a bum deal, they also decided to run with the big dogs. in this case that proved to be a fatal mistake. were they all messed up on qat? were they free lancers or working for somebody else?
    in the old westerns they used to say, he who lives by the gun dies by the gun. the Somalis have to learn to fight differently, there is simply no way they can go toe to toe with the US.

    Posted by: dan of steele | Apr 14 2009 20:31 utc | 41

    btw, here is fairly good site for tracking piracy around the globe

    Posted by: dan of steele | Apr 14 2009 20:59 utc | 42

    http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1858572_1797413,00.html
    Somalia Tale of the Loot
    Farah Ismael Eid, who is serving a 15-year term at Mandera prison, says that much of the money he and his group collected was divided as: 20 percent for the bosses, 20 percent for necessities like guns, food and cigarettes, 30 percent for the gunmen and 30 percent for government officials.

    Posted by: Beulla Base | Apr 16 2009 5:53 utc | 43

    we covered it here at the time, but the december 10th rpt by the u.n. monitoring group on somalia listed the following breakdown for ransom payouts:
    30% maritime crew
    10% ground crew
    10% local community
    20% financiers
    30% sponsor

    Posted by: b real | Apr 16 2009 14:28 utc | 44

    David you sux

    Posted by: potatoe | Apr 25 2009 0:17 utc | 45

    potatoe… you dug up this thread for that weak insult? Damn, I guess it must be all the starch in your shorts that’s got ya’ all stiff.
    At least insult me with something colorful or spell out “sucks” ’cause sux ain’t a word in my dictionary. Are you too lazy to hit the “ck”? Or do you feel ending it with “x” makes you seem suave and debonaire? Or maybe edgy?
    The people who post on MoA are smart… I was probably the sole exception to this until your tiny plastic dart came flinging my way.
    Try harder, make it more fun to read and maybe you’ll earn the brownie points you must be looking for.
    A good exchange might be similar to what transpired between John Wilkes and The Earl of Sandwich:

    The Zing:
    “Sir, I do not know whether you will die on the gallows or of the pox.” To which Wilkes replied–
    “That will depend, my lord, on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress.”

    Posted by: DavidS | Apr 25 2009 1:27 utc | 46