More Links April 23 09 – Moon of Alabama

April 23, 2009

More Links April 23 09

Sorry, not in the mood to write today. So here are a few more links to drive you away 🙂

Dozens of Prisoners Held by CIA Still Missing, Fates Unknown – (Pro Publica)
Pepe Escobar: Torture whitewash from The Dark Side – (ATOL)

Is publishing this affair now payback to AIPAC and Rosen for sabotaging Chas Freeman's appointment to chair the National Intelligence Council?

Intelligence Officials Tipped Pelosi To Harman Wiretap – (CQ)
Harper on the Harman/AIPAC affair – (SST)

Posted by b on April 23, 2009 at 17:36 UTC | Permalink

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Is publishing this affair now payback to AIPAC and Rosen for sabotaging Chas Freeman’s appointment to chair the National Intelligence Council?
great minds think alike

Posted by: annie | Apr 23 2009 19:02 utc | 1

I got chided a bit for pointing out on SST that Harman is Jewish, that said, according to US News, she is one rich bitch.
Am double posting this in SST btw.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Apr 23 2009 19:09 utc | 2

Harman is Jewish, rich and a member of Congress. Nothing unusual there. But is she an Israeli agent or information source?

Posted by: b | Apr 23 2009 19:34 utc | 3

I got chided a bit for pointing out on SST that Harman is Jewish
hello? that was the point of bumping her to chairman of the intellegence committee. she is the only member who is jewish, of course the neonuts want her up there. as i mentioned earlier it was a showdown when the dems took over but pelosi wasn’t saying why she was so adamant harmen not be named chair. i suppose maybe this had something to do w/it

In the wiretapped conversation, the target was heard telling Harman that “Pelosi went ballistic” when Saban allegedly warned her that if Harman were not made chairman of the Intelligence Committee after the 2006 elections “‘you’ll get no more contributions from me,'” according to the former official’s paraphrase of the conversation.
Pro-Israel operatives, meanwhile, were equally eager to get one of their own, the committee’s lone Jewish member, appointed chairman, a former intelligence official involved in the case said.
CQ
is it anti semetic to point that out? jesus.

Posted by: annie | Apr 23 2009 19:38 utc | 4

It seems to me that the CIA itself is one of the most dangerous organizations on the planet. They destabilize governments. They back tyrants and murderous groups around the world. They provide false information that allows the USA to justify invasions of peaceful countries. They kill and torture men, women, and children.
Perhaps it is time to disband the whole thing.

Posted by: heru-ur | Apr 23 2009 19:44 utc | 5

But is she an Israeli agent or information source?
aipac operates as an agent of israel. the entire operation of aipac funding congressshould be illegal. as harper points out aipac wasn’t even charged in the franklin case and they should have been. aipac just drops rosen and works to operate undercover. from harper

If there is a weakness in the Rosen/Weissman case, it is the failure of prosecutors to indict AIPAC as an organization, and to freeze their activities until the whole matter was adjudicated. Rosen and Weissman are even suing their former employer, AIPAC, for cutting them loose. AIPAC paid them to do exactly what they did, and it should be AIPAC’s responsibility to prove otherwise.

Posted by: annie | Apr 23 2009 19:44 utc | 6

btw Netanyahu won’t attend AIPAC summit
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Sunday canceled his plans to attend the upcoming AIPAC summit, after it became clear that US President Barack Obama would not meet him during the conference.
aipac needs to be taken down, bigtime.

Posted by: annie | Apr 23 2009 19:47 utc | 7

here’s the opening of aipac conference..i won’t bother linking to it
9:30 AM – 11:15 AM
Opening Plenary
Policy Conference kicks off with major addresses�by top American and Israeli leaders shaping the U.S.-Israel relationship, including Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.
Plus, James Woolsey, former CIA director and�Robert Satloff, executive director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Maj. Gen. Ido Nechustan,�commander of the Israeli Air Force, and Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA), explore the myriad foreign policy challenges facing the United States, Israel and the world.�
it will be interesting to see if the full throttle turn out of congresscritters will be lining up like last year.

Posted by: annie | Apr 23 2009 19:53 utc | 8

shoah/nakba

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 23 2009 21:00 utc | 9

why isn’t aipac was subject to our foriegn agents registration act ?
here’s rosen’s aipac lawsuit in case anyone is interested how spies operate.

Posted by: annie | Apr 23 2009 21:03 utc | 10

Okay, here goes, I’m’a takin’ on annie.
(1) I think that the Harman tape outing might end up in AIPAC’s favor. They might even have had a hand in it, to raise the stakes. Look for the pending charges to be dropped. Harman (who has been to Israel twice already in 2009 — twice) will get major applause at AIPAC on May 3 and give a rousing speech. The tape will be forgotten. What’s one more criminal act?
(2) Netanyahu was never scheduled to attend the AIPAC Conference, so why are they saying that he was? To make his “cancellation” look like a snub?
(3) AIPAC/Israel, far from going down, are in the cat-bird sea. They have managed to box in Obama and Clinton on Iran, allowing no room for compromise, while making military action against Iran a quid pro quo for even talking about Palestine.
The big unknown is John Kerry, who is scheduled to give the main speech at the AIPAC Conference. Will they get to him? Perhaps John will again become the man he was 35 years ago. Perhaps not.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 23 2009 22:23 utc | 11

Come on, folks. The Harman ordeal isn’t going to change anything. AIPAC’s influence isn’t going to suddenly disappear or be mitigated in some way.
The big deal right now is the Taliban encroaching on Islamabad. Oh know, we’re all doomed. This is the end. The radical jihadist muslims have gone Beneath The Planet Of The Apes and have found the Doomsday bomb.
That’s sarcasm, in case anyone wasn’t sure. It’s the message the MSM is purveying.
Maybe we’re about to see that first test of Obama that Biden promised us. You know, where he said the O man would have to do something really unpopular. A draft, perhaps, to keep the radicals away from the nukes. Conscription for the recent slew of desperate unemployed? Wouldn’t that be grand? Fast food eating, ipod addicted unemployed muricans deployed to Pakistan to crash wedding parties and blow children to smithereens with the latest and greatest high tech weaponry.
We live in a beautiful world.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Apr 24 2009 0:38 utc | 12

Perhaps John will again become the man he was 35 years ago. Perhaps not.
Nope, there’s no market for that kind of display any longer. Kerry was always destined to be a politician. He’s a Patrician, and was destined to lead in some capacity. He played the dissenter role quite well 30 years prior. The zeigeist was right for it. The zeigeist now is right for the rise of a 21st century Hitler in the United States. The question is, who will that be, who will be the 21st century Jews, and what will they use in lieu of Zyklon B?

Posted by: Obamageddon | Apr 24 2009 0:45 utc | 13

Perhaps it is time to disband the whole thing.
Posted by: heru-ur | Apr 23, 2009 3:44:18 PM | 5
I couldn’t agree more, but that’s a monumental task that most likley wouldn’t take place without some form of upheaval or catastrophic collapse.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Apr 24 2009 0:49 utc | 14

i) it won’t be forgotten, not by dems. pelosi is the speaker and here i calif their animosity for eachother is well known. also many dems are pissed at harmon’s support for bush’s wiretapping legislation. if the case gets dropped it won’t be as a result of this leak/outting but because of laws changing about classified information @ trial. i have no idea what will happen to the case, but this leak won’t be helping it. everyone will be getting mnajor applause at aipac, that is what they do. the pro everythingisraeldoes will think shes great, others, no.
(2) Netanyahu was never scheduled to attend the AIPAC Conference, so why are they saying that he was? To make his “cancellation” look like a snub?
jpost

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Sunday canceled his plans to attend the upcoming AIPAC summit, after it became clear that US President Barack Obama would not meet him during the conference.

if you can find any source alleging netanyahu was not ever planing on going, produce it. if anyone got snubbed it was aipac and nety, from obama.
this was widely reported in the blogs last week, i think i even posted it here:

The Israeli Yediot Ahronot daily, quoting a conversation between a Jewish leader and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel,reported Thursday that Obama wants to condition US support of Israel regarding Iran on the removal of Jewish settlement outposts in the occupied West Bank.
According to Yediot, Emanuel told the local Jewish leader that Israel and the Palestinians will sign a final peace deal based on the two-state solution within the next four years, no matter what.
The daily added that Netanyahu had wanted to meet Obama in early May, when he was planning to travel to Washington for the annual AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) conference, but was told by the White House the president would not be in town.
It quoted US administration officials as saying that Obama planned to break the tradition of the previous administration of George W Bush, who would host the previous Israeli prime ministers many times a year, often on short notice.
Netanyahu’s office said he is now likely to meet Obama late next month.

so , i guess rather than travel to washington twice and have his first visit not be an WH official visit he decided to skip aipac.
3) while making military action against Iran a quid pro quo for even talking about Palestine.
you are just regurgitating talking pts. nety is against a 2 state solution anyway so why would anyone bother to bomb iran for him under thiose circumstances? anyway, clinton doesn’t sound like she’s biting. headlines today , i don’t feel like linking
“Clinton: Israel risks losing support on Iran
By Reuters ”

Signaling U.S. impatience with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s reticence over peace talks, Clinton said Arab nations had made clear to her that Israel must be committed to the Palestinian peace process if it wants help countering Iran.

“For Israel to get the kind of strong support it is looking for vis-a-vis Iran, it can’t stay on the sidelines with respect to the Palestinians and the peace efforts. They go hand in hand,” she told the House of Representatives Appropriations Committee.
Israel sees a nuclear-armed threat as a mortal threat.
meanwhile as of yesterdayPoll: Most Palestinians, Israelis want two-state solution

The vast majority of Israelis and Palestinians are willing to live alongside each other peacefully in separate states, according to an independent poll released on Wednesday.
Results of the poll, commissioned by the grass-roots OneVoice Movement, indicate that 74 percent of Palestinians and 78 percent of Israelis are willing to accept a two-state solution.

as for aipac/israel being ‘the cat-bird sea’, they don’t seem too popular, i think many americans are sick of israel after the neocon war and the cheney gang.
as for john kerry i don’t know what point you are making, so i wouldn’t kniow how to respond.

Posted by: annie | Apr 24 2009 1:11 utc | 15

Yeah, the CIA ought to be abolished, totally.
Replace it with the Office of Special Plans, and bring back Dougie Feith/Paulie Wolfowitz in charge.
Old times, good times.

Posted by: Thrasyboulos | Apr 24 2009 1:18 utc | 16

annie #15: popularity doesn’t matter; finance/control/debt/blackmail matter. Israel has never existed for the good of Israelis.

Posted by: plushtown | Apr 24 2009 1:26 utc | 17

nor by the way was Arafat working for the good of Palestinians.

Posted by: plushtown | Apr 24 2009 1:35 utc | 18

plush, i have no illusions aipac is going to roll over and die. none the less, every chip on the surface helps.i think some people just don’t like being reminded they are affiliated w/spies and crime. any news items that remind them of that fact brings out the wackos.

Posted by: annie | Apr 24 2009 1:36 utc | 19

annie, did you call? I thought I hear someone say wacko… 🙂

Posted by: DavidS | Apr 24 2009 1:37 utc | 20

arafat?

Posted by: annie | Apr 24 2009 1:38 utc | 21

annie #19, well schizophrenics see some visual things more accurately than the adjusted. Wackos are obnoxious but may be telling. Scary knowledge squirrelizes. In fairy tales the marginal characters often have correct information, bad hygiene.

Posted by: plushtown | Apr 24 2009 1:42 utc | 22

annie #21, Arafat skimmed, dipped, drained huge $/shekels donated to supposed cause. He also apparently (biography I had few years ago, major publisher) was well known for pederasty but never attacked for it. (Own belief after decades of news and centuries of historical records is that child rape is close to a prerequisite for semi- serious power.)

Posted by: plushtown | Apr 24 2009 1:51 utc | 23

The question is, who will that be, who will be the 21st century Jews, and what will they use in lieu of Zyklon B?
Substitute Zyklon B for strange new swine flu, and you may have your answer…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 24 2009 4:44 utc | 24

In fairy tales the marginal characters often have correct information, bad hygiene.

Absolutely my favorite Moon-quote of the year.

Posted by: citizen | Apr 24 2009 4:56 utc | 25

Well, I’ve posted twice not, looks like typepad is censoring my posts…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 24 2009 5:04 utc | 26

“biological warfare a politically useful tool”~PNAC
U.S. Army Biological Warfare Lab Missing Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis Samples; 21 Polo Ponies from Venezuela Died at Event in Florida
I suspect, the gentleman from Wyoming has a plan…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 24 2009 5:45 utc | 27

of course david.
uncle, that is really creepy.
The polo ponies, all between 10 and 11 years old, are valued at up to $200,000.
and the value of winning the U.S. Open Polo Championship? or is somebody out to fuck w/Venezuelan multimillionaire Victor Vargas?
plushtown, so good of you to bring that up. speaking of major publications none other than the esteemed worldnetdaily in a captivating archived piece called ‘The death of Palestinianism’ by geopolitical expert Jack Wheeler asserts the same thing. he’s so prescient!

The Jewish Talmud makes the following observation:
There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia.
This was written in the 3rd century A.D. – three hundred years before the Arabs embraced Muhammad’s Islam. But neither the adoption of Islam nor all the intervening centuries since has decreased the addiction Arab men have to pederasty.
Arab pederasty was personified in Yasser Arafat, one of the vilest human beings to ever infest the earth. During the Cold War, Arafat was a frequent guest of Romania’s Communist dictator Nicolae Ceaucescu, who would put him up in his palace in Bucharest. Always included in Arafat’s retinue was a selection of young boys.

according to jack ‘palestinianism’ is a ‘myth’, a rationale for murdering Jews, and arafat is the embodiment of the creator of this myth.

Arafat’s life purpose, imbued with Nazi hatred of Jews like his uncle, was not to establish a Palestinian state – that was only one means among others to gain his ultimate goal: slaughter every Jew in Israel and “drive them into the sea.”
Now the Palestinian Arabs, who have lived in wretched poverty in refugee camps or squashed together in Gaza for two generations unwelcomed by their oil-rich Arab neighbors, are about to suffer the full horror of Arafat’s hate-filled legacy.
Once Arafat finally dies, the Palestinian civil war I predicted last February in To The Point (“The Coming Palestinian Civil War,” Feb. 6, 2004) is going to break out in all its bloody glory. The Palestinian Arabs without Arafat are leaderless. There will be open warfare between various Palestinian mafias. Hopefully, Sharon will be able to get his few thousand Jews out of Gaza before they get engulfed.
Peace for Israel can only come after these various Palestinian mafias finish killing each other off.

oh my. is that why the settlers were evacuated from gaza? so the palestinians could kill eachother off?
speaking of exotic taste in boys, are you familiar w/Mind Control: The Ultimate Terror
Thanks for the Memories: The Memoirs of Bob Hope’s and Henry Kissinger’s Mind-Controlled Sex Slave by Brice Taylor. some really juicy scenes.
so good of you to inject arafat into the thread, really an improvement from discussing aipac spies and stooges..
carry on.

Posted by: annie | Apr 24 2009 8:32 utc | 28

annie, the point is that Arafat, Sharon and any politician anywhere allowed to live and legislate are not working for the benefit of their official constituencies.
Arafat mention was to balance out the Israel bad for Israelis mention. (And AIPAC is bad for Jews for that matter. (You don’t get what you pay for. You pay for what you get.) I was in an Orthodox priest’s home and church at Jacob’s well in ’04. (I was part of an Orthodox Old Calendar pilgrimage.) In his private area he had a gooey picture of Arafat, as black Americans at one time often had JFK RFK & MLK, a shrine, but not as safe to have. He cared, he revered, and he was stooged.
Bob Hope, Walt Disney, Kissinger, Bushes …. yes, am familiar. Family values.
Buffy’s Bohemian Holiday
Note the disinformation last line by Willow.

Posted by: plushtown | Apr 24 2009 12:00 utc | 29

Buffy retry
oh, citizen #25, thanks.

Posted by: plushtown | Apr 24 2009 12:04 utc | 30

so once again I end a thread, my efforts for knot.

Posted by: plushtown | Apr 24 2009 16:16 utc | 31

Arafat mention was to balance out the Israel bad for Israelis mention.
plushtown, i guess i feel no need to ‘balance out’ israel. just so you know this is a very common rejoinder when addressing israel’s woes. i just linked to the hasbara handbook at the ‘really importasnt question thread.’ if you check pg 25 (section basic tools of propaganda) the ‘plain folks agenda’ section, a populist position can be combated by shifting blame for the palestinian predicament (or any anti israel scenario) away from israel and onto arafat (or hamas for that matter). the specific advised shift quote “yasser arafat never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity” and palestinians are stateless because of their leadership yada yada. it sets one up as the balanced honest broker.
not that you intended to do such, but it is beside the point really what arafat did wrt these current circumstances, aipac spying etc which was in relation to iran anyway. arafat is completely useless to the topic other than a diversion imho but i see your point in mentioning leaders usually don’t represent the soul of a nation. (not wacko!)
the buffy link, there’d be rumors of robed rituals and child rape and murder
sometimes there would be child rape and murder.
head swimming..

Posted by: annie | Apr 24 2009 16:40 utc | 32

leaders represent those who eat the souls of the nationals.

Posted by: plushtown | Apr 24 2009 16:48 utc | 33

And idiots come in all sizes and flavors.
Even ones who don’t like Arafat.
I can’t see how “taking out” AIPAC will do any good; for my part, it’s better to have the lobby out in the open, where people can point to it and say “See? They really ARE meddling!” than to have it officially disbanded only to re-group behind closed doors and a code of silence.
Same for CIA.
Counter-intelligence and propaganda are part of the modern world. The only way we’re going to get away from it is to adopt a stance like that of the CCCP, which i, at least, really don’t want.

Posted by: china_hand2 | Apr 25 2009 4:19 utc | 34

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