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April 11, 2009
Links April 11 09
  • Not a rational argument – Why Israel Will Bomb Iran – (Slate)
  • Ahmadinejad interview – 'We Are Neither Obstinate nor Gullible' – (Spiegel)
  • Stephen Walt – Can the United States put pressure on Israel?: A user's guide – (FP)
  • Huh? American victims of Hezbollah rockets sue North Korea – (Haaretz)
  • A true cartoon – (Harpers)
  • Record car sales – in China (London Times)
  • Cool Aid – More Quickly Than It Began, The Banking Crisis Is Over – (Time)
  • But we need to bomb … – Pentagon preps for economic warfare – (Huffington Post)
  • Predicted hereJapan to scrap plan for North Korea resolution – (WaPo)
  • In – He wants to stay – General Ray Odierno: we may miss Iraq deadline to halt al-Qaeda terror– (London Times)
  • Out – Syria's Ahmed Chalabi – Farid Ghadry’s Leadership of the Reform Party of Syria ExpiresSyria Comment)
  • The result will not change – Protests Wane in Moldova as Vote Recount Is Announced – (NYT)
  • Embarrassing for the host – Thai protests disrupt Asean summit – (Al Jazeera)

Please add your news and views in the comments.

Comments

b, I would judge the SLATE article even less charitably than you do. It is pure sensationalist nonsense with more holes in its arguments than a Swiss cheese.
The Siegel interview was superb, and also nullifies the scenario described in the SLATE article. A pity Ahmadinejad didn´t make such statements 4 years ago; if he had avoided mentioning Israel the Zionist State wouldn´t have had any assistance with its propaganda.
Thanks again, b, great stuff!

Posted by: Parviz | Apr 11 2009 6:53 utc | 1

I don´t know if the YouTube video of ex-rep Gilchrest has been posted by anyone (I´ve been extremely busy and may have missed it), but here it is, just in case. He describes, among many extraordinary events, how AIPAC mysteriously engineered the removal of a congressional amendment preventing war with Iran without prior congressional approval: “between the Rules Committee and the House floor the Amendment was pulled, and without any explanation”!
THAT´s what I call ´power´:

ex-Rep Gilchrest on AIPAC

Posted by: Parviz | Apr 11 2009 7:46 utc | 2

ding ding ding ding… neocon alert!!
Dennis Ross’s Iran Plan
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090427/dreyfuss?rel=hp_currently

Posted by: Anthony | Apr 11 2009 8:12 utc | 3

Goldman Sachs wants to shut down this blog.

Posted by: b | Apr 11 2009 9:54 utc | 4

b, GS are idiots for drawing even more attention to this Blog!

Posted by: Parviz | Apr 11 2009 10:27 utc | 5

Egypt and Hezbollah The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Intersting interview about Jiverly Voong.

Posted by: andrew | Apr 11 2009 11:02 utc | 6

From Asia Times: Obama may cede Iran’s nuclear rights and US reaches out to Hekmatyar.

Posted by: andrew | Apr 11 2009 11:03 utc | 7

Corruption undercuts hopes for Afghan police.
Obama’s Afghanistan plan and India-Pakistan relations:

It cannot be forgotten that although the US entered Afghanistan in 2001, India (with Iran and Russia) and Pakistan had been fighting a proxy war in Afghanistan throughout the previous decade; the former supporting the Tajik-dominated ‘Northern Alliance,’ while the latter backed the Pashtun Taliban. This conflict was practically won by Pakistan-backed forces, when the US charged into the region and placed the Northern Alliance in power. The US presence post-9/11, certainly changed the equation, but did not end the proxy war. Thus, the ‘legitimate security needs’ of which Gregory speaks arise from what fellow contributor Aqil Shah – a Rhodes scholar and PhD candidate in political science at Columbia University – identified as the Pakistan army’s “fear that the United States could simply lose interest in Afghanistan once it captures the senior leadership of al Qaeda (as Washington did after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan), leaving Pakistan exposed to Indian (and Russian) ‘encirclement’ — evidence of which it sees in New Delhi’s alleged support for the insurgency in Pakistan’s resource-rich Baluchistan province and Indian funding for a 135-mile road connecting Afghanistan’s Nimroz province with the Iranian port of Chabahar.”
[…]
Of all the confidence building measures undertaken and treaties signed between India and Pakistan over the decades, the Indus Water Treaty has been most crucial to stability and so, the most enduring. Yet, this pillar of Indo-Pak entente has been under threat for the last two decade, or so. The first rumblings of change came in 1984, when Indian forces took advantage of Pakistan distraction with the US-backed ‘jihad’ against the Soviets in Afghanistan, to push beyond the 1949 ‘Line of Control’ that separates Indian and Pakistani-administered Kashmir and seize the Siachen Glacier, whose run-off feeds (through tributaries) into the Indus River. Since then, Siachen has become known as the ‘world’s highest battlefield’, and hostilities there contributed to everything from Pakistan backing armed insurgents in Indian-administered Kashmir from 1989, to Pakistani troop involvement in the Kargil Conflict of 1999, bringing South Asia to the brink of nuclear war, while the US withdrew from the region following the defeat of the Soviets. None of these Pakistani moves, however, have succeeded in wresting back control of Siachen, let alone pushing India to negotiate an end to the broader dispute. Rather, they have led Indian forces into a counter-insurgency campaign that international human rights organizations calculate has cost the lives of 80,000 to 100,000 civilians in Indian-administered Kashmir, as well as routine ‘disappearances’, ‘rapes’ and ‘torture’. As if this mix was not toxic enough, in 2000, India also announced plans to dam the Chelum River, stirring the Kashmiri cauldron further. Although India claimed that the hydro-electric project was necessary for the development of Kashmir, Pakistan argued that it was a clear violation of the Indus Water Treaty. Thus, Pakistan raised objections with the Permanent Indus Commission soon after work on the ‘Baglihar Dam Project’ was initiated in 2000, but under the auspices of the World Bank, the Pakistani case was overruled in 2007, without a word from the recently re-engaged US. India was merely required to lower the height of the dam by 1.5 meters. Under such circumstances, work on the dam was revitalized and, in 2008, it was inaugurated by Prime Minister Singh, despite protests from independent geologists (who warn that it lies on a fault-line) and unrelenting objections from Islamabad on the basis of the Indus Water Treaty.
Adding the issue of water rights to the Kashmir dispute only goes to prove the difficulties involved in bringing about any form of ‘quick-fix’. However, the elemental nature of water also best highlights the fact that from Pakistan’s vantage-point, the state’s ‘very existence’ is not dependent on al-Qaida, Taliban or even the US, but on who governs Kashmir and under what terms. Thus, when added to Indian activities in Afghanistan, it is easy to see why the majority of contributors to the previously cited roundtable discussion hosted by the Council on Foreign Relations argued that addressing ‘Pakistan’s legitimate security needs’ vis-à-vis India, is an essential component of any plan ‘seeking greater stability in the region, or seeking to wean Pakistan off support for extremists and terrorists’.

Posted by: andrew | Apr 11 2009 11:34 utc | 8

Now you’ve really got my curiosity on alert. The “this blog” link at 4 doesn’t work.

Posted by: Juannie | Apr 11 2009 13:56 utc | 9

Juannie- It worked for me. Interesting stuff.

Posted by: DavidS | Apr 11 2009 14:14 utc | 10

Juannie @9, the link just worked for me

Posted by: lambent1 | Apr 11 2009 14:54 utc | 11

Thanks DavidS & lambent1. Now it’s working for me as well.
Yeah, strange stuff but good link. I’m glad I asked and came back to view it.

Posted by: Juannie | Apr 11 2009 16:27 utc | 12

One of the few things that Israel and the Arab world have in common is a hatred torwards Iran. So it may indeed be true, as David Samuel argues in his Slate piece entitled “Why Israel will bomb Iran,” that Israel is willing to give Arabs what they want, which is a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, in exchange for them to give Israel the go-ahead to bomb Iran. But this argument only holds water if you assume that the Arab world’s hatred towards Iran is greater than it is towards Israel — something which isn’t likely to be true.

Posted by: Cynthia | Apr 11 2009 17:53 utc | 13

that slate article was so full of holes i could drive a truck thru it. it is a fantasy to imagine israel bombing iran would solve any problems or that israel would trade a pal state for it, regardless of any carrot dangling. total BS.

Posted by: annie | Apr 11 2009 19:40 utc | 14

more holes in its arguments than a Swiss cheese.
great minds think alike!

Posted by: annie | Apr 11 2009 19:58 utc | 15

roads to iraq is not there any more. this is horrid.
Roads to Iraq doesn’t Exist
Sorry for the inconvenience.

i have it toolbarred. what is going on..badger stopped posting couple weeks ago…this is horrid.

Posted by: annie | Apr 11 2009 20:35 utc | 16

Suicide bomber kills Iraqi Sunnis wounding 31 others.

Posted by: annie | Apr 11 2009 20:43 utc | 17

In – He Wants To Stay … proof there were no WMDs: http://cryptome.info/0001/iraq-ffcd.htm … an interesting read, too bad the PDF is unscannable by Google-bots, but since it contains recipes for CBSs, we’re probably better off, although Darwin’s Law being what it is, any fool trying will likely off themselves, just like this duffus: http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=56603&big=2x

Posted by: Succeed Secede | Apr 11 2009 21:19 utc | 18

If anyone is interested, I’d love any feedback you guys can give me about an article I’ve written about why the Israel lobby is effective.
http://mideastreality.blogspot.com/2009/04/do-jews-control-us-foreign-policy.html

Posted by: Arnold Evans | Apr 12 2009 5:39 utc | 19

Arnold, I thought it was a very mature piece, though so apologetic that I thought you were going to burst at the seams trying not to offend anyone! Just 3 points I´d like to make:
1. There is a fine but crucial distinction between the Israel Lobby and other U.S. lobbies insofar as the other lobbies place joint personal interests before the national interest, while the Israel Lobby places Israel´s interests before the U.S.A.´s, which amounts to treason. (Larry Franklin serving a 22-year sentence for spying for Israel from within the heart of the Pentagon).
2. You didn´t mention the admirable J Street, the Jewish counter-lobby that is rapidly gaining popularity and influence.
3. The Israel Lobby´s credibility, and therefore its power, suffered immeasurably under 8 years of Bush, culminating in official silence over the Gaza atrocities which Bush actually encouraged to widespread media condemnation. Obama´s grovelling before AIPAC was greeted with scorn in the U.S. media, to an extent that would have been unimaginable 8 years ago.
It´s not the same Lobby it was 8 years ago, not even close. And Israel now has to contend with the Blogosphere …
Rupert Murdoch doesn´t own the airwaves. We do.

Posted by: Parviz | Apr 12 2009 6:52 utc | 20

Touché, annie, you bring the truck, I´ll bring the cheese, then we´ll send David Samuel a photo of the resulting mess to symbolize the foulness of his arguments.
By the way, you talk of Arabs´ hatred of Iran, but I think you should also distinguish between the views of Arab governments and the views of ordinary Arab people, many of whom openly admire Iran´s virtually lone stand against Israel and the United States. If Osama bin Laden is a hero among many Arabs — and all he´s done is to fight U.S. interests — it´s not hard to understand why Ahmadinejad, an Iranian, is even more popular than an Arab ´hero´ on the Arab street. This has been confirmed to me by many Persian Gulf Arabs, who have explained that Israeli atrocities against hapless and helpless Palestinians have struck an even bigger chord in the Arab conscience than America´s devastation of Iraq.
Unelected Arab leaders would risk insurrection if they approved an Israeli strike on Iran, which is precisely why they have already refused America fly-over permission for an air strike.

Posted by: Parviz | Apr 12 2009 8:19 utc | 21

Once the anti-Semitism charge gets up a head of steam, it takes a life of its own. It’s better to deal with it pre-emptively. The fact of the matter is Israel is really an emotional issue for many Jews, to a degree that many those Jews do not even understand. I try to take that into account. But I don’t want my tone to be overly subservient. I’ll look out for that.
Treason: The people of the US decide what the US’ interests are. If the US democratic process decides to put Israel’s material interests before the US’ material interests, then by that decision, Israel’s materials interests are the US’ interests. What I’m saying is that support for Israel is accomplished through a reasonably democratic process so even though it “objectively” in some sense compromises US interests, it isn’t treason because it is more or less what the people of the US, through their democratic process chose. Trying again, nothing the US political process comes up with can be treason against the US by definition.
J Street: Is a reformed Zionist lobby. Meaning it is pressing for a two state solution, and it measures policies not on the basis of equality of justice, but on its impact on a potential two state solution. It opposes the West Bank settlements, but has no problem starving the people of Gaza for voting for a party that opposes two states. It is a different wing of the Zionist lobby than AIPAC, but it is part of the same project.
Decline of the Lobby: Your lips to God’s ears. The pro-Israel still has many of the formidable advantages I mention in the article though.

Posted by: Arnold Evans | Apr 12 2009 15:57 utc | 22

Arnold, first of all, Happy Easter!
I don´t quite understand your defence of the U.S. democratic process, and how that process legitimizes what is clearly treason. U.S. Presidents definitely don´t get elected based on their attitude towards Israel. It´s always been mainly about the economy (the U.S. economy!), while the treasonous Israel Lobby does its thing backstage.
If a Lobby becomes powerful enough to steer the population´s attention towards Israel, to the exclusion of America´s other interests, that doesn´t make spying for Israel any less treasonous. George Orwell´s 1984 illustrates my point vividly. Populations can be coerced, ´persuaded´, brainwashed and frightened into supporting actions against their nation´s and their own interests. The Israel Lobby was able to convince 70 % of Americans that Saddam was somehow connected with 9/11. The sophisticated process of ´convincing´ gullible Americans that Black was White was itself a treasonous act, so the Israel-Lobby is by nature a treasonous organization working against U.S. interests, as Mearsheimer/Walt demonstrated in their epochal work “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy”. How many ordinary U.S. citizens had even the faintest clue about how their ´votes´ were being subverted?
Now, if the 2 million Iranians living in the U.S. decided to devote time, effort and money to forming an Iran-Lobby (which they´ve never done and probably never will as Iranians are the opposite of sheepish and are in fact their own worst enemies), and if they managed to influence U.S. foreign policy and U.S. public opinion to the extent that a U.S. President elected to save the U.S. economy actually ended up sending $ 100 billion/year to Iran, dumping Israel, permitting Iran to develop nuclear weapons and introducing laws that classified any criticism of Iran as ´racist´, would you be as sanguine about the U.S. democratic process as you are today when the boot is on the Israel Lobby´s foot?

Posted by: Parviz | Apr 12 2009 16:31 utc | 23

parvis, By the way, you talk of Arabs´ hatred of Iran, but I think you should also distinguish between the views of Arab governments and the views of ordinary Arab people
i don’t recall talking of arab hatred although i do read layla anbar. i think therir are probably quite a few iraqi arabs who are not fans of iran, but then many who are.
arnold What I’m saying is that support for Israel is accomplished through a reasonably democratic process
yes, well banks were deregulated via lobbiests too, doesn’t make it reasonable or democratic.
there are two principles that any definition of democracy includes. The first principle is that all members of the society (citizens) have equal access to power and the second that all members (citizens) enjoy universally recognized freedoms and liberties.
when i have the same access to my congress person as $$$$ lobbiests do, then let’s talk about it.
If the US democratic process decides to put Israel’s material interests before the US’ material interests, then by that decision, Israel’s materials interests are the US’ interests.
really? If the US democratic process decides to torture people, then by that decision, torture is in the US’ interests?
If the US democratic process decides to invade iraq, then by that decision, invading iraq is in the US’ interests?
If the US democratic process isn’t, in reality, very democratic, then the process might just not be in the interest of the people.

Posted by: annie | Apr 13 2009 0:30 utc | 24

btw arnold, it may interest you to know that 70% of americans favor an evenhanded approach to iP foreign policy (no favoritism). in a democracy one would think that would translate in our FP actions,funding, sanction etc. it doesn’t.

Posted by: annie | Apr 13 2009 0:37 utc | 25