Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
March 6, 2009
Upside Down And Backwards

by David
lifted from a comment

b's link regarding a piece by Simon Johnson: Confusion, Tunneling, And Looting

Boris Fyodorov, the late Russian Minister of Finance who
struggled for many years against corruption and the abuse of authority,
could be blunt. Confusion helps the powerful, he argued. When there are
complicated government bailout schemes, multiple exchange rates, or
high inflation, it is very hard to keep track of market prices and to
protect the value of firms. The result, if taken to an extreme, is
looting: the collapse of banks, industrial firms, and other entities
because the insiders take the money (or other valuables) and run.
This is the prospect now faced by the United States.

The course of policy is set. For at least the next 18 months, we
know what to expect on the banking front. Now Treasury is committed,
the leadership in this area will not deviate from a pro-insider policy
for large banks; they are not interested in alternative approaches
(I’ve asked).

After reading this, I decided I should write something. Maybe it's
just because of the wee, weird hour my damn brain thinks I need to be
awake I feel the urge to write. I can never trust my intentions in
these dark hours; this is why I put this on the OT to make it EZ.
HeeHee.

Before one begins to write on any political subject it is wise to
understand the subject being argued; but one shouldn't let one's
ignorance of a subject preclude posting an argument. In fact, many of
the best political arguments have been won by humans who haven't the
slightest idea what they're talking about (it should also be noted that
many of these people possessed large armies – having one of these is a
key element in winning most arguments or at the very least, profiting
from them.)

Those who are the best at turning wind into energy, the true idiot savants
of political rhetoric, rise quickly and have soon distanced themselves
from the rest of the pack. They do this by using their seemingly
endless supply of hot air to give them extra "lift." The best, become
politicians; anyone loftier become like Rush Limbaugh (though maybe not
as "blimp-like.")

The ability for certain people to use their mental excrement as a form
of power, are green in the truest sense of the word. And this, despite,
the actually physical environmental damage they are also usually guilty
of. But then one needs to also define green, as it is a word that means
many things to many people. For the purpose of this piece, "green"
needs to be defined as, "totally covered by a pile of $100(us) dollar
bills."

Capitalism I want to define in the simplest of terms… I have a dozen
eggs and you have a bunch of carrots, so we trade because I was an ass
and forgot to plant carrots and your dog ate your chickens… And we are
both living on land that was empty and useless so we improved it and…
Well I guess it’s too hard to explain where the land came from, hmmm… 

O.K., forget that, instead imagine a Disneyland of Capitalism where
everyone is living side by side happily every after trading freely and
not messing with each other… I can almost hear It’s a Small World playing in the distance, can’t you?

In a not-too-distant neighborhood is a bad part of town called
socialism. Here everyone lives a communal life of hell in identical
gray concrete apartment buildings that hum from the drone of workers
completing their mind-numbing menial task night and day. This drone
drains the population of their spunk and everyone does the barest
minimum required of them, not out of rebellion or even laziness, but
because this is what keeps everyone equal.

Where do you want to live?

Being the author, it’s easy and also convenient for me to leave many
things unsaid. Why confuse the reader with a bunch of logic or reason?
Why try to explain the nuance of the “Butterfly Effect” to the world?
Why not try and raise a few socialist hackles?:)

Meanwhile I’m somewhere in a house located between those two subway stops trying to write a reply to b’s link above.

And as far as these banks go, I trust capitalism more than socialism,
which means I trust letting the fuckers fold and waiting to see how the
void is filled, rather then bringing them all together under the
government’s umbrella. American government control of all the banks
only means having fewer people that I neither trust nor like,
controlling more shit. 

But I wouldn’t be against the government starting a bank from scratch
that loaned money directly to businesses and people. Have the other
banks try and compete with it. Actually I’d like to see a bunch of
Muslim banks opened-up here in the States, they seem like they have a
decent business model for dealing with money. But I only know this from
reading and not from practice; I suppose I should be careful what I
wish for.

The world is upside down and backwards and I don’t even need alter my body's chemistry to see it.

Comments

It’s no coincidence that the same engineers of the looting of Russia are now engineering the looting of the U.S. (can you say Larry Summers). Of course, to be fair, the looting of the U.S. has been going on since its inception. Hell, the land upon which the U.S. was built was looted from the Indians, so its birth was the result of a theft. That being said, the looting going on now is end game looting (quite a different beast), same as ocurred in Post Soviet Russia. In the immediate chaos and confusion of Post Soviet Russia, Summers and gang helped Yeltsin and the Oligarchs loot the country from top to bottom until Putin sent them packing. Who will the U.S.’s Putin be? I assure you, there’s one coming, but it’s not something to welcome any more than welcoming the current looting cabal. It’s shit….or shit. Take your pick. The U.S. will not return to its former glory (lol). The best outcome, and it’s not desirable by any means, is a permanent feudal-like gilded age. In otherwords, Karl Rove’s Wet Dream.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Mar 6 2009 14:42 utc | 1

“The best outcome, and it’s not desirable by any means, is a permanent feudal-like gilded age. In otherwords, Karl Rove’s Wet Dream.” (Obamaggedon)
To quote our leader, “do you have any links for this?”
Actually, for Karl Rove, it’s more of a cluster f**k. For the Pres, the new boy, it’ll be a wet dream.

Posted by: seneca | Mar 6 2009 15:11 utc | 2

Seneca, I don’t understand. What do you mean by “do you have any links?” Any links for what? The first half of that statement is my conjectured opinion, for which I need no links. The second half is fact, and you can look it up yourself if you’re interested. It’s a fact that Rove romanticizes about the Gilded Age (the Robber Barons). I’m not sure what Obama romanticizes about because he’s so slippery, but I do know this. Obama is not what he claims to be.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Mar 6 2009 15:21 utc | 3

Actually I’d like to see a bunch of Muslim banks opened-up here in the States, they seem like they have a decent business model for dealing with money.
the Quran forbids usury but not interest

Riba
The definition of riba in classical Islamic jurisprudence was “surplus value without counterpart.” or “to ensure equivalency in real value” and that “numerical value was immaterial.” During this period, gold and silver currencies were the benchmark metals that defined the value of all other materials being traded. Applying interest to the benchmark itself (ex natura sua) made no logical sense as its value remained constant relative to all other materials: these metals could be added to but not created (from nothing)
….
Modern Islamic banking
In an Islamic mortgage transaction, instead of loaning the buyer money to purchase the item, a bank might buy the item itself from the seller, and re-sell it to the buyer at a profit, while allowing the buyer to pay the bank in installments. However, the fact that it is profit cannot be made explicit and therefore there are no additional penalties for late payment. In order to protect itself against default, the bank asks for strict collateral. The goods or land is registered to the name of the buyer from the start of the transaction. This arrangement is called Murabaha. Another approach is EIjara wa EIqtina, which is similar to real estate leasing. Islamic banks handle loans for vehicles in a similar way (selling the vehicle at a higher-than-market price to the debtor and then retaining ownership of the vehicle until the loan is paid).
An innovative approach applied by some banks for home loans, called Musharaka al-Mutanaqisa, allows for a floating rate in the form of rental. The bank and borrower forms a partnership entity, both providing capital at an agreed percentage to purchase the property. The partnership entity then rent out the property to the borrower and charges rent. The bank and the borrower will then share the proceed from this rent based on the current equity share of the partnership. At the same time, the borrower in the partnership entity also buys the bank’s share on the property at agreed installments until the full equity is transferred to the borrower and the partnership is ended. If default occurs, both the bank and the borrower receives the proceeds from an auction based on the current equity. This method allows for floating rates according to current market rate such as the BLR (base lending rate), especially in a dual-banking system like in Malaysia.

Posted by: annie | Mar 6 2009 15:29 utc | 4

I agree with David, with the extra jab: The process he describes has been going on I would say since 2001. Precise year cannot be pinpointed.
(One cannot dope out when short skirts *really* came into fashion, during the 20s period or the 60s…these things ‘happen’..)
There has been no real growth in the US since 2000 or so, ‘growth’ was only consumer spending fuelled by debt, a veritable treadmill of financial churning (much of it fraud) and hyper-consumption.
Now come to a terrified halt and leaving behind a surplus of houses, cars, Barbies, microwaves, yachts, oven gloves. As well as a pile of debt that probably cannot be paid off.
I think many saw, felt, intuited this state of affairs, from the very top tiers (e.g. Bush family), or Marcie, realtor, estate agent, mortgage lender, whatever, and all of them colluded in keeping the party going, the balls in the air, the GDP uppping along; making hay while the going was good, or just generally participating and looking out for number one.
All the fraud that went on was condoned because it did bring in profits, to particular persons or groups, which is, at heart, what “free market capitalism” of a certain kind is all about. Deregulation was a *necessity* in that model. (Since Reagan.) If the rules and boundaries don’t fit for earning money, then they have to be changed, circumvented, or ignored.
Thinking again about the Banks and Insurance cos: What we see the US doing has never been done before.
Failed entities of that kind have been saved, wound down, or killed off, by Recapitalization (public, or other parties, countries, sovereign funds, etc. taking an interest, it has its limits), the creation of a Bad Bank, e.g.: Sweden, Switzerland twice for Cantonal Banks, France: Credit Lyonnais, all recently.
– The ‘bank’ part of ‘bad bank’ is a misnomer, because the entity is then no longer a bank but an auction house selling off putrid assets and dodgy paper. –
Lastly, Nationalization – the tax payer takes it on, e.g. Northern Rock.
The US has veered between these models and hasn’t invented a new one. The Gvmt. has simply paid failing entities trillions of dollars, without a plan presented to the public, transparency, or oversight.
That signals desperation and extravagant hopes of muddling thru.. Shows that the barriers, distinctions between Gvmt. and corporations, para-state organisms, or indeed any other entity, no longer exists.

Posted by: Tangerine | Mar 6 2009 16:20 utc | 5

The Free Market (TM) starts to break down when it comes to be used as a mechanism for utilizing natural resources, because it tends to reward monopolists and commodity hoarders.
And a nation’s resources should belong to everyone: those who develop them and make them accessible should be rewarded (through market mechanisms), but should not be allowed to unduly exploit them to profit at others’ espense.
And we have to see that a nation’s resources are not just natural resources: minerals, clean water, clean air, etc. A nation’s health is a resource that must be tended.
And to an extent, a nation’s capital is also a resource needed to maintain a functioning economy.
Our economic collapse stems from the fact that banks were allowed to focus on maximizing their profits from trading capital through dubious methods to the extent that it capital no longer available now in the places where it is needed to keep America working.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 6 2009 16:57 utc | 6

Socialism is these days used so many times and no surprisingly in wrong (to be moderate, otherwise it deserve some harsher qualifications) way. Just as every aspect of US life and “culture” is corrupted, so it is the English language.
You can see now, title on front page of: The Time or The Economist (don’t remember), Are We Socialist Now?
Just someone who is introduced socialism through: Hollywood, John Wayne, Ronald Reagan, may/can ask such question. Someone raised in: Chicago School of Economics, Wall Street, MSM, and Hollywood, surroundings.
Wrong usage of these nouns can not explain anything neither Capitalism even less Socialism. This is a false dilemma and the only purpose is to enter further confusion, and maintain status quo. In other word, no change of political system which is threat to very existence of humanity, by all accounts.
For further reading: The Language of Looting, Fiat Currency: Destroyer of Capital
It is not known, how and what real Socialism looks like, because it haven’t been implemented, yet. But, we are seeing what Capitalism looks like. This is for sure Dark Age of humanity, in general.

Posted by: Balkanac | Mar 6 2009 17:21 utc | 7

Just in – unemployment rate – U3 (what’s in the news): 8.1%; U6 (broad measure): 14.8%

Posted by: b | Mar 6 2009 17:27 utc | 8

We’re witness to the collapse of the old american empire.
When america the IDEA really got rolling, it was the dream of a nation comprised of self-sufficient individualist who were able, right or wrong, by right or might, to transform their lands into minor states with-in the boundaries of the larger nation. Later, when the lands had been mostly settled, the greedy looked towards industry as the new land to exploit, and the land barons were replaced by the likes of the DuPonts, the Fords, the Carnegies and the rest of their gilded-age ilk.
America soon became a place that the rich exploited to their favor at the expense of the larger population. Not that this hadn’t always been the case, but in a new, large country, the social/economic structure is going to be a messy place that allows many unsavory types to rise to levels they’d never achieve in an older country with an established hierarchy controlling things. You know the unsavory ones I mean, those folks creating unions and demanding to be paid a proper wage and to have decent living conditions for everyone – yeah those types.
And in places there appeared some unique social experiments that challenged the old ideas of society. Near to where I live, is the town of Aspen. When the silver mines went bust in the 1890’s, many miners were left poor and out of work. I know of a story of a madame who recruited a few of her old customers to go live on a ranch… the living arrangements aren’t discussed in the history books, saying much by saying nothing. I’d like to think that the madam was living like an old bull elk, picking a new dude from the workman to warm her bed each night… Ahhh… Sorry, forgot I was writing at MoA and not that erotic site…
As I was saying, there were several odd social experiments that worked-out well for the people who engaged in them. Heck, there are even a hundred or more years I would have enjoyed being a nomadic native american, riding the plains on the back of some painted pony (the existence of which I’d have to thank those spaniards for), hunting buffalo and selling skins to the honkeys who were mostly still living east of the Mississippi river.
Them were the good ol’ days, or at least we can pretend they were thanks to the magic of Hollywood. I for one am pretty happy someone discovered how to create penicillin because I’d have died at least twice back in the good ol’ days, which might not be a bad thing.
Fast foreword from those halcyon times of yore to now and we are witness to what happens when concentrated money controls everything… the media, the jobs, the banks and the government. Time to hit the reset button and watch the collapse of this empire, maybe start to learn Chinese.
In my heart I like to dream of being a rich capitalist pig with the money and power to do what I wanted, when I wanted and how I wanted. But the realist in me would not want to be greedy, wouldn’t want to act in a way that angered my neighbors. I’d want to be a productive, positive member of my community that helped my fellow citizens become better-off too. I like the idea of the rising tide raising everyone’s boat, but this doesn’t really happen as most of the boats are anchored tightly to poverty’s bottom and usually sink as inflation causes the rising water to flood over their gunnels.
I can’t believe I’m going to commit this to writing, but what do you think of the idea of capping personal/corporate wealth at $250 million dollars(us)? This is enough wealth to own a plane (or even two turbo props) a few properties and still not worry about paying $1500 for that nice merlot to drink with dinner.
A guy like say, Bill Gates, who I’ll guess is worth $30 billion today, just as a nice round figure to work with. If his wealth was distributed out as $250 million, he’d create 11 other rich fuckers with himself being the 12th.
This is just an idea, one of those musings a person has which should probably be taken with a seven-micron crystal of sodium chloride…

Posted by: David | Mar 6 2009 17:44 utc | 9

David,
Thanks for the enjoyable read . Your style resembled that of Douglas Adams, and of the less than a handful of books that I have read cover to cover in my entire life (literally), three of them were the Hitchhikers Guide books. So when you said, “ Before one begins to write on any political subject it is wise to understand the subject being argued; but one shouldn’t let one’s ignorance of a subject preclude posting an argument., I can relate to that and reply, ”Yeah, it never stopped me.” There are probably many here, including myself at times, who wish it had. Never even read an entire book throughout college, but I did attend every class almost without exception. Reading, studying was always too boring, and being a slow reader, took too much time and was too much work. Some poster here at MOA once said that if one hadn’t read Marx’s writings, they shouldn’t be posting on this site. I never read any of his writings. Someday I hope to read something Marx wrote so I can see what I’ve been missing, but maybe I wouldn’t understand it anyways. I hope I don’t get banned now for revealing my ignorance.
For what its worth, I basically agree with you, in that small, private banks for the local community is an ideal which each nation should strive for. These Corporate monsters need to fail. I cringe every time I hear the words “too big to fail.”

Posted by: Rick | Mar 6 2009 18:11 utc | 10

Rick, for what it’s worth the only BA I’ve ever received was hairy and viewed through a car’s window… but at least I can claim to have received several 🙂

Posted by: David | Mar 6 2009 18:55 utc | 11

One thing that I often wonder about is: why do people think United States is the paragon of classical capitalism? It’s not: it is as dominated by central planning as much as Soviet Union ever was, except that much more of US central planning takes place within corporations rather than in the bowels of the government and the party. The compensation packages of CEO and other top executives reflects it: it’s not merely that they are greedier–say, compared to the Japanese–but that the decisionmaking structure within these firms (and within groups of firms and the economy as whole) is extremely hierarchical–with most of the authority concentrated at the top. These decisions are made with as much hubris, arrogance, and ignorance as within the Soviet Politburo (perhaps one could say as much about the political decisions within the American politburo, inside the White House–but that’s a slightly different story.) The current economic collapse is as much of a failure of central planning (and the fatal conceit that goes with it, as Hayek termed it) as the collapse of the Soviet Union–except the central planners in US are “privatized,” rather than the state–and as such, in some sense, even less responsible/responsive to the masses.
In some sense, both Marx and the luminaries of the Chicago school economics (Hayek and Stigler, specifically) saw this danger long before. Instead, they were ignored and we got the bastardized, ideologicalized version (Friedman’s) instead which imposed a sort of privatized communism, not a free market capitalism, as the economic dogma of United States–and so it is now collapsing. I’m increasingly of two minds over all these bailouts: Perestroika failed because it was simply beyond the capacity of the Soviet state to bail out the failed remnants of state communism. Yet, abandoning these efforts brought two decades of humiliation and misery to the Russian people. (I have to confess that I don’t think it stood realistic chance of success to begin with, though.) The American Gorbachev (Obama) is trying out another Peretstroika to bail out and salvage the failed remnants of privatized communism in United States–and this too seems increasingly beyond the capacity of the American state (especially when confronted with the opposition from the American equivalent of old time Soviet communist apparatchiks–today’s Republicans). So, should these efforts be abandoned–especially since they are likely to be doomed to failure anyways? I shudder at the likely consequence–but we may be doomed to face them regardless of what we do.

Posted by: kao_hsien_chih | Mar 6 2009 19:00 utc | 12

A lot of you know who who Craig Murray is. He’s posted here at MOA before, as have others. At the moment he has an appeal on his site – he’s asking people to email the UK’s Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights to ask that he be heard next Tuesday, on the subject of the UK government’s policy on intelligence cooperation with torture abroad. The executive is putting pressure on the committee to exclude him.
In Craig’s words:

I need everybody to send an email to: jchr@parliament.uk to urge that I should be allowed to give evidence. Just a one-liner would be fine. If you are able to add some comment on the import of my evidence, or indicate that you have heard me speak or read my work, that may help. Please copy your email to craigjmurray@tiscali.co.uk.
Please also pass on this plea to anyone you can and urge them to act. Help from other bloggers in posting this appeal would be much appreciated.

Briefly, his background is that he was UK Ambassador to Uzbekistan. The government there was (still is) torturing people and giving intelligence thus obtained to the CIA, which sent it to MI6 and the Foreign Office. Craig sent a series of telegrams to the FO objecting to this policy. The policy ended up being approved by Jack Straw and Craig was fired.
Send an email – even if the only effect is to embarrass that fucker Straw, it’s at least that.
Sorry for posting this here instead of ot, I’m in a hurry, but wanted to get this out…
Also see, perhaps a copy of this post on the CIF section here might help too…
and for those playing along at home…
Birth of a Whitewash: Who Testified at Leahy Commission Torture Hearings?
Valtin always is the go to person at home…
p.s., I see typepad has once again changed the way we post…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 6 2009 20:13 utc | 13

**BREAKING NEWS** Bloomberg News Service released a cryptic message that Ponzi financier Bernie Madoff may be about to waive indictment for googleplex fraud,
and be allowed to plead guilty to a lesser charge of, “irrational exuberance”.
There is no statutory penalty for this, ask Flip “Devil Made Me Do It” Wilson.

Posted by: Jerr Boa | Mar 6 2009 20:54 utc | 14

@12 – @kao_hsien_chih – that comparison, Obama – Gorbachow, has indeed some ground. I do expect a different outcome though. Maybe worse than what the USSR went through.
Anyway. Nice headline for a piece (or even book): Obama, the American Gorbachow.

Posted by: b | Mar 6 2009 21:14 utc | 15

annie 4) yeah, agreed, as much as we would like to believe the world of islam is all pixie dust and honest handshakes compared to the hebron of usury, muslim loans roll on the basis of a 50% payback in the first year, and 100% balloon payment the second, and i’ve had that described to me by indigent peoples in several muslim countries who took geraoloans. so, for example, my lorry driver had borrowed enough money for a used imported car, had to pay 50% back within one year from his earnings and borrowing from within his family circle, then one year later, had to hock the family plot to pay the 100% balloon. At least that’s a fixed 22.5% per year straight principle paydown, nothing like the 39.8% for-all-perpetuity usury of the credit.con bank-brokers, but when you figure that 22.5% is being paid down one 1000Rp cab fare at a time on the price of a japanese import car, wow, no wonder the families are quickly broke and landless tenant farmers, and no wonder the sheikh’s and amir’s rise up as owners of all the land around, and no wonder there are three tiers of bribes, baaksheesh, a gratuity gift; sharini, a ‘sweet’ gift; and aashna sakton, a ‘making friends’ gift, like hillary clinton just gave to sergei lavrov, not the cute ‘reset’ button we saw on camera, but the solid gold aashna sakton she gave him in the back room before the news conference, bullion for the ‘pomegranate’ revolution they’re plotting to overthrow putin. the bullion of course was from the ‘us emergency economic bailout and other undisclosed national security purposes,’ which was obama’s shot across the bow at ‘defense’ and the republicans’ shot back, delaying a final bailout vote for aashna sakton.
‘it’s just business. get over it.’ oprah

Posted by: Gerald Mandelbrot | Mar 6 2009 21:48 utc | 16

Opps, left this off:
Your Help Needed – Reveal Torture to Stop It

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 6 2009 22:53 utc | 17

ralphieboy at 6: I agree with what you say. To continue..
How to make a link between resource use (oil, nat gas, coal, wood, etc.) and finance? On the ground, concerning what is happening today. I posted previous that rise in oil prices to 150 (dollars per barrel of light sweet crude, approx. always) were in part due to speculation, and that it was a proximate cause, a violent trigger that contributed to the meltdown, *at that point in time* (subprimes going bust..) which might be the case, or not…merely echoes of what one can read round and about.
Some see the energy question as independent of finance, over-leveraging or a ‘debt bubble’ leading to misery down the road and certainly there are plenty of historical examples. Once one is over the bad bump, some new ‘normal’ state is attained, growth is regained, etc.
Others relate, by hook or by crook, the collapse of ‘finance’ we are experiencing now to resource depletion, or ‘world’ degradation (soil, etc.) and think the two MUST be connected in some way, with sometimes fanciful or thinly-stretched explanations.
I’ve given up puzzling about it for now, and finally only see the similarity between Crash and Burn in both areas. Burn the fossil fuels, as quickly as possible; hype the finance, rack it up, make money before the catastrophic crash.
The expression ‘crash and burn’ I have from Tom Wolfe, don’t know its origins.

Posted by: Tangerine | Mar 7 2009 20:46 utc | 18

David, I am glad you found your way to the Moon, reading your posts is a pleasure, you seem to speak always from your heart. And although I don’t necessarily agree with all your views, they are much appreciated. So let me just add my two pesos.
Capitalism v Socialism is portrayed as white v black, two irreconcilable concepts of ownership and class. By doing so, the debate on how to move forward is needlessly polarised, preparing the ground for dogmatists to take over the ship only to ram it against the next best iceberg. By us falling into that trap and not seeing how both systems are partially mutually inclusive we are becoming apostles of a nonsensical dualist approach, similar to the often heard notion of man v nature. Just as We are Nature, so is Capitalism Socialism.
A socialist system of government and ownership of assets still requires capital to operate, and a capitalist system still requires the state to also hold assets and provide a degree of non-productive social security to its people.
Both arrangements contain aspects which are to be endorsed and others which are not in the best interest of the people. Why not pick the raisins from both cakes instead of rigidly defending the taste of one and dismissing the other as uneatable? My idea of socialism is not based on people’s servitude to the state nor does it exclude the concept of profits or entrepreneurship, quite the opposite, effort must be rewarded. But I believe what constitutes effort needs to be redefined.
That a company CEO earns more than the lowest paid cleaner working for the firm is to be expected, but their earnings must be linked. I suggest a ratio of max 20:1, meaning that for the CEO to earn 1 million per year, the lowest paid employee must be on $50K. Should the CEO want to double his income, he must also double the lowest paid employee’s wages.
Private ownership of assets and companies is the way to go, however essential services, such as schools, public transport and hospitals should be state owned or controlled. Capital, eg investment funds and their private equity holders, are not in the business of looking out for thy neighbour, they plan for profit maximisation, which is ok for goods or services that are being sold, but the provision of quintessential human needs, such as medical treatment, education of the people or commuting between places should never be allowed to be driven by passion for profits. A society with enough foresight to avoid social unrests or even revolutions should be able to provide its less fortunate members with basic human requirements, such as housing, food and health care in a non-profit framework.
The flaw in the capitalist doctrine is that it is too one-sided in its approach to entitlements, to the point that puritans go as far as to argue against any benefits being handed out to the needy. Stiff shit, that’s social Darwinism for yer, better luck next time. Not recognising that capital itself is constantly asking for its entitlements, as it is also needy. Capital also asks for government handouts, it’s just not called “the dole” but “R&D Grants”, “Subsidies” or “Bailouts”. Capital is needy, of a peaceful and harmonious society in which it can operate and securely invest its profits, and when listening to business leaders you get the impression they feel entitled to that.
The state needs to be far more regulatory than what it is at the moment, ensuring that the excesses the capitalist component inevitably is drawn to are contained to a reasonable limit and are not running counterproductive to the well being of our fellow men. Free (as in unregulated) enterprise as we know it is the reason for surplus food & produce harvested in a pumper season being destroyed so as to keep the wholesale prices up in the US and Europe. Utter foolishness, and yet that’s what happens.
As Marx said, “From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need.” Apply this logic for example to the ever growing disparity between rich and poor nations. Year after year, the relatively few bobs which are given in Foreign Aid by donor nations more often than not disappear in bureaucratic channels or are embezzled by corrupt leaders in the recipient nations. Nobody seems to be accountable for the lack in progress, everybody points the finger at everybody else. There is neither a pragmatic and coordinated approach to FA nor an incentive for the donor nations to ensure long term improvements are achieved. Every five years or so world leaders meet at some posh retreat to discuss the plight of the countless people living in third world conditions, emerge with a communiqué in which they express their firm desire to half within the next few years the number of people dying of starvation, only to meet again five years later to lament how things have gotten even worse. What a bloody circus of fuckwits, drives me mad just thinking about them shits. But what’s even worse is that it is us who elected them in the first place, and when its election time again all their lies and incompetence are forgotten.
So here is my idea on how to tackle the wealth gap across the numbered worlds and improve on that equality thingy. All the world’s countries are grouped by size and ranked by wealth. From the resulting lists, the richest nation is paired with the poorest; the 2nd richest with the 2nd poorest, and so on, till lets say on a list of 100, the 49th is teaming up with the 51st. Now every rich country has one other country it is “responsible” for, which would imho allow for a more focused attitude to FA and over time would lead to better outcomes. If every affluent country would adopt a poor nation of similar size, and without ideological blinkers tried to assist in its humanitarian and economical development, via means ranging from student exchanges to technology transfer, the world would see friendships develop where there were none whilst at the same time causing the boat-lifting tide to rise.
To sum up, Churchill once said “The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” I see it the exact other way round, the inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of miseries, the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of blessings. I hope this makes sense and doesn’t sound too rumsfeldish.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Mar 8 2009 5:53 utc | 19

Juan,
You are too kind. Thank you for the nice words and I must also return the compliment back at you. I can’t, or I should say, I won’t argue with what you wrote above because your thoughts sound as sensible as anything I’ve heard. The arguments you post are usually very sensible and how clearly you write makes me envious.

To sum up, Churchill once said “The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” I see it the exact other way round, the inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of miseries, the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of blessings. I hope this makes sense and doesn’t sound too rumsfeldish.

I think you’ve nailed it on the head!
MoA has changed me. It has/is forcing me to try and think even deeper about why the world is the way it is. When I first stumbled in, I’d been looking for some spot, any spot, on the planet, that appeared to retain some sanity during the Gaza horrors. And MoA seemed to fill that need. Peter Tosh’s song Equal Rights says it best, “Everyone is crying out for peace, yes, 
None is crying out for justice.” Because isn’t justice what the world really needs?
Understanding the mindset of america’s corporate class isn’t difficult – selfishness comes easy to me – what’s hard is breaking out of this “normal” mindset to balance my personal wants with the needs of my fellow man. I think this is the biggest obstacle to uniting humanity; people understanding that their wants are often at odds with other’s needs. If people weren’t so selfish, they’d begin to understand other people better and have less problems in general.
I was once a person who had such poor self-esteem I looked negatively at the people around me because I was so negative about myself. I’ve been working on this problem since I graduated from HS in ’86 and I feel I still have a long way from feeling really zen about my place in life. I know the better I feel about myself, the better I feel about my fellow man – the more I have confidence about my place on earth, the easier it becomes to try seeing life from the place where someone else stands.
From what I witness, hostility between individual humans is normally caused because each person is uncomfortable in their surroundings and this is what triggers problems. Damn, I hate it when I can’t write what I’m thinking, but I guess what I’m trying to say is that confident people have less need to constantly be sniffing butts and scratching at the earth to prove what big dogs they are. Humans and dogs are very similar when it comes to the way they define their territory, usually by pissing all over it…
When I wrote “upside down and backwards” it was just late night mumblings on the computer. When I write like this it is easier to try and use black and white arguments, because otherwise I’d be writing for months and my post would even closer resemble “Finnegans Wake” in both length and style 🙂
The funny thing about getting older (I’ve managed to ovoid the wiser part) is that I know less and understand more; does this make sense? Somehow it does to me, but then it is the wee hours of morning or should be: In fact, due to the miracle of state manipulated collective consciousness, it’s “officially” an hour later today than the exact same time yesterday – so instead of me being wide awake at the ungodly hour of 3 A.M. it is instead the more reasonable sounding hour of 4 A.M., almost sounds like an hour when really important people would start their day.
Forgive me. I’m sure to some here reading my shit is probably the MoA equivalent of the infomercial 🙂 and takes up valuable time. I apologize, but I can only write what I know and that’s not much. I do know another thing that makes people irritable: being dehydrated, and by the time you feel thirsty you’re already there. If being a little thirsty can make a person hard to deal with, imagine what it must be like for entire populations of people on the planet that don’t have clean drinking water, if much of any.

Posted by: David | Mar 8 2009 11:56 utc | 20

Juan,
You are too kind. Thank you for the nice words and I must also return the compliment back at you. I can’t, or I should say, I won’t argue with what you wrote above because your thoughts sound as sensible as anything I’ve heard. The arguments you post are usually very sensible and how clearly you write makes me envious.

To sum up, Churchill once said “The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” I see it the exact other way round, the inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of miseries, the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of blessings. I hope this makes sense and doesn’t sound too rumsfeldish.

I think you’ve nailed it on the head!
MoA has changed me. It has/is forcing me to try and think even deeper about why the world is the way it is. When I first stumbled in, I’d been looking for some spot, any spot, on the planet, that appeared to retain some sanity during the Gaza horrors. And MoA seemed to fill that need. Peter Tosh’s song Equal Rights says it best, “Everyone is crying out for peace, yes, 
None is crying out for justice.” Because isn’t justice what the world really needs?
Understanding the mindset of america’s corporate class isn’t difficult – selfishness comes easy to me – what’s hard is breaking out of this “normal” mindset to balance my personal wants with the needs of my fellow man. I think this is the biggest obstacle to uniting humanity; people understanding that their wants are often at odds with other’s needs. If people weren’t so selfish, they’d begin to understand other people better and have less problems in general.
I was once a person who had such poor self-esteem I looked negatively at the people around me because I was so negative about myself. I’ve been working on this problem since I graduated from HS in ’86 and I feel I still have a long way from feeling really zen about my place in life. I know the better I feel about myself, the better I feel about my fellow man – the more I have confidence about my place on earth, the easier it becomes to try seeing life from the place where someone else stands.
From what I witness, hostility between individual humans is normally caused because each person is uncomfortable in their surroundings and this is what triggers problems. Damn, I hate it when I can’t write what I’m thinking, but I guess what I’m trying to say is that confident people have less need to constantly be sniffing butts and scratching at the earth to prove what big dogs they are. Humans and dogs are very similar when it comes to the way they define their territory, usually by pissing all over it…
When I wrote “upside down and backwards” it was just late night mumblings on the computer. When I write like this it is easier to try and use black and white arguments, because otherwise I’d be writing for months and my post would even closer resemble “Finnegans Wake” in both length and style 🙂
The funny thing about getting older (I’ve managed to ovoid the wiser part) is that I know less and understand more; does this make sense? Somehow it does to me, but then it is the wee hours of morning or should be: In fact, due to the miracle of state manipulated collective consciousness, it’s “officially” an hour later today than the exact same time yesterday – so instead of me being wide awake at the ungodly hour of 3 A.M. it is instead the more reasonable sounding hour of 4 A.M., almost sounds like an hour when really important people would start their day.
Forgive me. I’m sure to some here reading my shit is probably the MoA equivalent of the infomercial 🙂 and takes up valuable time. I apologize, but I can only write what I know and that’s not much. I do know another thing that makes people irritable: being dehydrated, and by the time you feel thirsty you’re already there. If being a little thirsty can make a person hard to deal with, imagine what it must be like for entire populations of people on the planet that don’t have clean drinking water, if much of any.

Posted by: David | Mar 8 2009 11:57 utc | 21

Damn computer is acting weird, here is the proper link, dehydrated

Posted by: David | Mar 8 2009 12:02 utc | 22

One of my most Erie epiphanies is when it dawned on me that ‘time’ was a man made construct.
Who controls the bells? If memory serves, I think it was the Vatican.
Why daylight saving time is bad for the environment

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 8 2009 14:27 utc | 23