Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
March 9, 2009
The Crash Will Change Political Systems

World 'asset' markets have now lost over $50,000,000,000,000. U.S. stocks lost $11,000,000,000,000 in market value alone.

This virtual wealth was counted on by big and small investors and lots of pension funds. The losses as well as the current government interventions will bring a sea-change in the attitudes and opinions of people all over the world. It is likely to change political systems.

The FT's Martin Wolf is looking into what changes might be in the cards:

What will happen now depends on choices unmade and shocks unknown. Yet the combination of a financial collapse with a huge recession, if not something worse, will surely change the world. The legitimacy of the market will weaken. The credibility of the US will be damaged. The authority of China will rise. Globalisation itself may founder. This is a time of upheaval.


Remember what happened in the Great Depression of the 1930s. Unemployment rose to one-quarter of the labour force in important countries, including the US. This transformed capitalism and the role of government for half a century, even in the liberal democracies. It led to the collapse of liberal trade, fortified the credibility of socialism and communism and shifted many policymakers towards import substitution as a development strategy.

Wolf see several fields where attitudes are already changing and will further change:

  • Inequality in pay will be fought as governments will cut top incomes.
  • Marginal tax rates for the wealthier will rise.
  • Pensions will go back from privatized models to government administered pay-as-you-go systems.
  • There will be more political control over national markets and less global free wheeling.
  • Emerging markets economies will be hit very, very hard and are likely to see big political troubles.
  • The 'west' and especially the U.S. will lose influence in the rest of the world as the credibility of its policies and policy makers will be questioned. China's model will likely shine in comparison.

Wolf ends with a warning.

These changes will endanger the ability of the world not just to manage the global economy but also to cope with strategic challenges: fragile states, terrorism, climate change and the rise of new great powers. At the extreme, the integration of the global economy on which almost everybody now depends might be reversed. Globalisation is a choice. The integrated economy of the decades before the first world war collapsed. It could do so again.

On June 19 2007, I concluded an article on the “new capitalism” with the observation that it remained “untested”. The test has come: it failed. The era of financial liberalisation has ended. Yet, unlike in the 1930s, no credible alternative to the market economy exists and the habits of international co-operation are deep.

Yes, liberalization is over. And I also see no credible alternatives to market economies. Supply and demand can be balanced best through free exchange of goods in well regulated markets.

But will the market economy be seen as having been the problem at all? I believe that instead the political system that led to neglect the regulation of market economies will be blamed and lose credibility.

The 'western' political system is representative democracy. It has several deep flaws like its tendency to bend under lobbying or, more general, the ability of corruption to influence the outcome of its political processes against the will of the people.

There are certainly alternatives to this form of government. Some are more authoritarian up to totalitarian. Some are more direct-democratic or consensus based.

Current working alternatives to the standard 'western' model of representative democracy are the Chinese meritocracy and the Swiss system which has significant elements of direct democracy and consensus decision making.

Several countries hurt badly by this downturn will move away from representative democracy and try alternatives. The process already seems to start in some eastern European countries. Many of
those experiments will end up in totalitarianism, turn out badly and eventually crash. But some better models may
evolve too.

What would be your favorite model of political system to live in?

And the more important question, how do you plan to get there?

Comments

Hi all, I missed the discourse here. So, to jump in again:
NPR (National Public Radio) put on a nice hour show that explained the bank crisis in terms that leave one able to describe and analyze the problem to just about anyone. It’s worth a listen so you can get conversations back on track, back along lines that at least don’t add to the obfuscation. Or in the words of one of the contributors No new lies.
Understanding the bank crisis can allow you to see what so-called solutions will NOT work, and which ones might. And the structure that results from this will have everything to do with how power flows. Follow the money. We need to be able to do that. Hopefully the explanation here will help, and help build the discourse.

Posted by: citizen | Mar 9 2009 18:04 utc | 1

Meanwhile, like a one, two punch…
After they’ve robbed us of all our spare cash, now they want our food…
Change We Can Believe In: How About the End of Farmers Markets? Say Hello to H.R. 875: Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009

March 9th, 2009
What this will do is force anyone who produces food of any kind, and then transports it to a different location for sale, to register with a new federal agency called the “Food Safety Administration.” Even growers who only sell only fruit and/or vegetables at farmers markets would not only have to register, but they would be subject inspections by federal agents of their property and all records related to food production. The frequency of these inspections will be determined by the whim of the Food Safety Administration. Mandatory “safety” records would have to be kept. Anyone who fails to register and comply with all of this nonsense could be facing a fine of up to $1,000,000 per violation.
I’ve bought food at several farmers markets for years and I have yet to meet any vendors who are fond of the government. I think it’s pretty safe to say that most vendors at farmers markets won’t go along with this. The problem will be that the people who run the farmers markets will be forced to make sure that vendors are “registered” with the government.
Is this Change we can believe in? Maybe it is for Obama’s Secretary of Agriculture, Tom “I Fly with Monsanto” Vilsack.
For the rest of us, this is a nightmare.
Let’s take it piece by piece:

(continues at the link)
Also see, *VIDEO* — an INN report from Free Speech TV
Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
HR 875 The food police, criminalizing organic farming and the backyard gardener, and violation of the 10th amendment
So this is the answer to FDA incompetence food safety? Yeah, the first “inspector” that steps into my garden will be filled full of lead. These fucks are pushing us to the wall, and I’m ready to retaliate.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 9 2009 18:08 utc | 2

Should say – I prefer the bottom up models because these tend to support information flowing up. No matter how good the authoritarian system is, it always ends up needing the information from the bottom in order to actually know what’s happening well enough to set healthy policy. So, why go the long way through authoritarianism?
…tradition?…

Posted by: citizen | Mar 9 2009 18:08 utc | 3

On a planet that is so overcrowded (by an order of magnitude or so in my estimation), I simply have no hope whatever for a “good” political system.

Posted by: Cloud | Mar 9 2009 18:26 utc | 4

If the physicists ever find that miracle loophole that allows settlement in earnest of other star systems, then I would say, different circumstances will dictate different political systems for each system or planet.
In general, I suppose Jeffersonian democratic-republicanism is pretty good, tho keeping in mind that the U.S. totally Failed at it — as exemplified by the famous words
I hope we shall take warning from the example [of England] and crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws our country.

Posted by: Cloud | Mar 9 2009 18:38 utc | 5

listening to the GTV interviews with Michael Parenti, Tariq Ali and Peter Dale Scott from Uncle’s OT link@41, I am struck by their analysis of neo-con strategy and the roles of “non-government actors”.
Interestingly, it reminds me of the early to mid 20th century Japanese hyper-patriots, and the independent military they created that eventually founded it’s own country in Manchuria. The rest of the military was never able to counter weight the actions taken by the Army (which somehow both did and did not included the Manchukuo forces), and neither could the Japanese Army itself actually control its own forces on the Asian continent.
All this was papered over with the notion that every member of the Army loyally served, the Emperor. Loyalty and obedience, however, were not the same thing, so the Emperor had to be careful not to order people around much. Lovely future.

Posted by: citizen | Mar 9 2009 18:51 utc | 6

Run on UKforeign investors pull $1T out of City

‘Run on UK’ sees foreign investors pull $1 trillion out of the City
Banking crisis undermines Britain’s reputation as a safe place to hold funds[*]
By Sean O’Grady, Economics correspondent
Saturday, 7 March 2009
A silent $1 trillion “Run on Britain” by foreign investors was revealed yesterday in the latest statistical releases from the Bank of England. The external liabilities of banks operating in the UK – that is monies held in the UK on behalf of foreign investors – fell by $1 trillion (£700bn) between the spring and the end of 2008, representing a huge loss of funds and of confidence in the City of London.
Some $597.5bn was lost to the banks in the last quarter of last year alone, after a modest positive inflow in the summer, but a massive $682.5bn haemorrhaged in the second quarter of 2008 – a record. About 15 per cent of the monies held by foreigners in the UK were withdrawn over the period, leaving about $6 trillion. This is by far the largest withdrawal of foreign funds from the UK in recent decades – about 10 times what might flow out during a “normal” quarter.
The revelation will fuel fears that the UK’s reputation as a safe place to hold funds is being fatally comp-romised by the acute crisis in the banking system and a general trend to financial protectionism internat- ionally. This week, Lloyds became the latest bank to approach the Government for more assistance. A deal was agreed last night for the Government to insure about £260bn of assets in return for a stake of up to 75 per cent in the bank. The slide in sterling – it has shed a quarter of its value since mid-2007 – has been both cause and effect of the run on London, seemingly becoming a self-fulfilling phenomenon. The danger is that the heavy depreciation of the pound could become a rout if confidence completely evaporates.

* hahahahaha… yeah, like there’s a safe place…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 9 2009 19:01 utc | 7

$50,000,000,000,000
$11,000,000,000,000
Geeze, b, I have a touch of astigmatism and can’t count zeros — but them looks like big numbers.
As for my favorite political system — I have none.
But what I expect of any system is that the ordinary fellow/lady can expect to be able to raise their kids with enough food to eat so their brains don’t rattle around in their skulls — in short, that they can leave their kids with a bit more than they started with.
That is to say, labels mean little or nothing, it’s the bottom line, the results that matter.
That said, as results are determined by the means used, authoritarian systems would seem to be self-defeating.
On the other hand, democratic elections, in themselves, do not preclude that a system is authoritarian in one form or another.

Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Mar 9 2009 19:10 utc | 8

China! Oh brother. That’s an option? Fantastic inequality!
No. The course of development will continue in its uneven way: deindustrialization and development is regional, not national. A patchwork of wealth enclaves and ghettos everywhere.
As always, socialism is the solution. Workers must organize globally. It is the only way.

Posted by: slothrop | Mar 9 2009 19:38 utc | 9

Protect the banjks. Destroy the people.
It is a grave error to believe this crisis is harming the capitalist class, as Wolf believes.
Just the reverse.

Posted by: slothrop | Mar 9 2009 19:50 utc | 10

Harvey’s take on this is scads better that Wolf. By a longshot.

Posted by: slothrop | Mar 9 2009 20:01 utc | 11

This is just wealth that’s been lost so far. What about income
lost due to layoffs, smaller or no dividends, and interest from
bank CD’s and money market funds paying paltry rates?
This income loss is well into the trillions also. If we’re not
technically in a depression then we have to be close to it.

Posted by: Ecoli | Mar 9 2009 20:32 utc | 12

“After the crisis, we will surely “see finance less proud”, as Winston Churchill desired back in 1925. Markets will impose a brutal, if temporary, discipline. Regulation will also tighten.”
Doubtful. I’d even bet the farm against it.
Risk aversion has become a religion. If it isn’t bolstered, padded and insured beyond recognition, it ain’t selling. What this might lead to, with any luck, is much smaller, locally based financial systems and services. I know my banker and the teller asks about my cats.
National and international systems will still exist and they will continue to be corrupt. Perhaps more so. Risk will become a very operative word again and parachutes of any color will be eliminated. Think financial and intellectual Thunderdome.
IMHO, this period of retrenchment will continue. With financial insecurity comes a much smaller world for individuals and families. This isn’t such a bad thing. Paradoxically, free time becomes more free, at least in the short term. The aging population had to slow down at some point and this is it. Baby boomers can’t go back to working like 20 year olds nor should they. But the educations we received will finally come in handy. Liberalism isn’t dead. It’s just been tied up elsewhere for 40 years.
As a friend used to say to me, “I ain’t dead yet.”

Posted by: vachon | Mar 9 2009 20:45 utc | 13

I am glad that we are at least seeing the end of an America where the administration has no problem with restricting free speech and assembly, suspending haebeas corpus and the freedom from search and seizure without warrants, while at the same time allowing the Free Market (TM) to operate with almost no legal restrictions or controls whatsoever.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 9 2009 20:54 utc | 14

I am just glad that we are seeing the end of an America where the President is willing to restrict free speech and assembly, suspend haebeas corpus and warrants for search and seizure, while allowing the Free Market (TM) to operate with almost no government regulations or controls whatsoever.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 9 2009 20:57 utc | 15

Uncle $cam!!
Why shouldn’t a government that crushes embryos in the altar of research not crush farmer’s freedoms in the altar of safety?

Posted by: jlcg | Mar 9 2009 21:50 utc | 16

“Current working alternatives to the standard ‘western’ model of representative democracy are the Chinese meritocracy and the Swiss system which has significant elements of direct democracy and consensus decision making.” – b
ROFLMAO.
Wow – Chinese meritocracy??? An oxymoron if ever there was one. Yes, this is the system where corruption is endemic and party bosses feather their nests consistently. And to keep the people believing in the system – an occasional execution of a high placed boss.
And the Swiss system?? Did that prevent the similar speculative excess of their banking system that now requires US taxpayer bailouts.
None of these systems are inherently better than current “western” representative democracy in any demonstrable way. We have yet to have the practical experience in the modern world where there is no cronyism and a system that prevents the elites from controlling the majority of wealth and political power.

Posted by: ab initio | Mar 9 2009 22:12 utc | 17

Proposed systems are only as good as the people “operating” them. This definitely includes the common man as well. You could have the best leader running the best system, but if the populace is easily misled by lies and is too simple for even wanting to understand politics that country is doomed.
The best system with a lot of individual freedom might amongst the best, when the populace loves freedom, knowledge, justice etc. But that system becomes the worst when the populace likes to spend money they don’t have on stuff they don’t need, doesn’t like critical thought, and doesn’t care about others.

Posted by: Eye in the Sky | Mar 9 2009 23:48 utc | 18

Well, well.
The knuckleheads, for a brief moment, understand what to bitch about.

Posted by: slothrop | Mar 10 2009 0:18 utc | 19

whatever is being given birth in latin americ in many different forms is the only hope i can see & understand & feel sympathy
capitalism is finished. whatever form it takes in the immediate future is frightening to comprehend. i’m afraid we will end up like spaniards under franco

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 10 2009 0:27 utc | 20

jclg @ 16 – you are joking, aren’t you?

Posted by: Tantalus | Mar 10 2009 0:49 utc | 21

The Bush-ites under Rove always wanted a return to the Gilded Age of the 1890’s in America. No regulations on business, no taxes on wealth and no social programs. In the short term, it looks like the Great Collapse has ended this dream, but I wonder if the rescue programs aimed at the unemployed, and the talked about re-regulation of finance, are really more than show, and temporary.
America isn’t in a vaccuum anymore. How we move politically will be affected by how other countries move. Authoritarian governments, either plutocratic or military, are very likely around the globe – for example, in S. America. In the US, suppression of dissent seems likely too, along with state-sponsored make-work programs like the CCC and the military. All this leads to less democratic, more conformist and frightened politics. Capitalism can survive under these conditions, even if on a lesser scale. Our sheer size makes innovation less likely here. I agree with Slothrop, socialism is the only way, but it will take catastrophic collapse and decades of organizing and struggle to get there.

Posted by: seneca | Mar 10 2009 1:15 utc | 22

Yeah, jclg
Stands to reason eh, ?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 10 2009 2:17 utc | 23

I’ve long said that China is becoming more like the U.S. and the U.S. like China. So when i read this:
#17 – Wow – Chinese meritocracy??? An oxymoron if ever there was one. Yes, this is the system where corruption is endemic and party bosses feather their nests consistently. And to keep the people believing in the system – an occasional execution of a high placed boss.
I thought this:
Wow – American meritocracy??? An oxymoron if ever there was one. Yes, this is the system where corruption is endemic and party bosses feather their nests consistently. And to keep the people believing in the system – the prisons are packed to overflowing and executions of the poor never-ending.

Posted by: china_hand2 | Mar 10 2009 2:33 utc | 24

if socialism is the only solution, if a worker oriented people power realignment is to succeed here, it probably needs another name. yes, rebranding socialism to make it palatable for the US public, because decades of deeply engrained conditioning has been very effective.
so, what could it be called?

Posted by: Lizard | Mar 10 2009 3:13 utc | 25

We should rename socialism into “median exceptionalism” .

Posted by: gus | Mar 10 2009 3:28 utc | 26

in keeping with the spirit of silly video links, i would like to offer arnold circa 1990 talking about how socialism, bad, and free to choose free market smoke up ass, good.
eye in the sky says: The best system with a lot of individual freedom might [be] amongst the best, when the populace loves freedom, knowledge, justice etc. But that system becomes the worst when the populace likes to spend money they don’t have on stuff they don’t need, doesn’t like critical thought, and doesn’t care about others.
i think that’s a good point, so how do you shake up capital’s favorite staging ground?
slothrop: thank you for some of your recent comments. i remember trying to ignorantly interject myself as a newbie without realizing how far back the argument goes. i still don’t feel qualified to wade in, but your devotion to a critique of capital and resistance to a critique of empire seems more tied to personal grudges than objective analysis.
that said, i really have no idea. there are so many various scenarios, and most aren’t good. b’s post got me really thinking about what desperate straws we’ll grasp at here to keep the teetering cards from tumbling down (the media will make sure “socialism” isn’t one of them)
tantalus: yes, jclg has previously championed the precious fetus/embryo. and really it’s such a kick ass thing we got going here on planet earth, we should definitely, as a species, bring to term every viable embryo.

Posted by: Lizard | Mar 10 2009 4:45 utc | 27

Awww, I just, I just feel so, sooo bad…
Goodbye Dubai

Short of opening a Radio Shack in an Amish town, Dubai is the world’s worst business idea, and there isn’t even any oil. Imagine proposing to build Vegas in a place where sex and drugs and rock and roll are an anathema. This is effectively the proposition that created Dubai – it was a stupid idea before the crash, and now it is dangerous.
Dubai threatens to become an instant ruin, an emblematic hybrid of the worst of both the West and the Middle-East and a dangerous totem for those who would mistakenly interpret this as the de facto product of a secular driven culture.
The opening shot of this clip [ <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk9Sbpnkd-4>] shows 200 skyscrapers that were built in the last 5 years. It looks like Manhattan except that it isn’t the place that made Mingus or Van Allen or Kerouac or Wolf or Warhol or Reed or Bernstein or any one of the 1001 other cultural icons from Bob Dylan to Dylan Thomas that form the core spirit of what is needed, in the absence of extreme toleration of vice, to infuse such edifices with purpose and create a self-sustaining culture that will prevent them crumbling into the empty desert that surrounds them.

What about the gentleman from Wyoming? Quick! Someone! Oh, can’t someone please piss on the picnic!

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 10 2009 4:55 utc | 28

I’ll play a contrarian to this one–not to bernhard, but to the posters.
Socialism the solution? Of course not! But that’s what everyone will say. The market has been largely discredited, after all–every politician with any kind of credibility will jump in and say that they have the answer that has eluded the marketplace. Their answers, of course, will exalt the higher causes and doing the “right things.” Naturally, the “enemies” will be found among those abroad and their traitorous enablers at home. Socialism, in other words, will be “nationalized,” to serve the good volk at home.
Have we seen this before? Of course, we have. Now, we are heading back to the ugly sequel.

Posted by: kao_hsien_chih | Mar 10 2009 5:10 utc | 29

Your Dubai link Uncle, conjured up for me the modern day parallels with Babel. Wasn’t that another high end globalization scheme for the elites?

Posted by: Juannie | Mar 10 2009 5:21 utc | 30

How in ten years, Wall Street bought deregulation for $5 billion.
http://tinyurl.com/dar7ub

Posted by: Thrasyboulos | Mar 10 2009 5:44 utc | 31

@28
It looks like Manhattan except that it isn’t the place that made Mingus or Van Allen or Kerouac or Wolf or Warhol or Reed or Bernstein or any one of the 1001 other cultural icons from Bob Dylan to Dylan Thomas that form the core spirit of what is needed, in the absence of extreme toleration of vice, to infuse such edifices with purpose and create a self-sustaining culture that will prevent them crumbling into the empty desert that surrounds them.
the natives of Dubai love & respect their king and theres probably not enough of them on any one street to form a garage-band and also unlike Kerouac they have Facebook. so they’re probably not going to be offering us protest-culture anytime soon.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Mar 10 2009 9:44 utc | 32

I am still glad to see the end of an America where the President has no compunctions about restricting civil rights whil allowing the market to operate without resptrictions or controls.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 10 2009 9:48 utc | 33

One scenario of the financial crisis says it’s civil war in the U.S. It’s all wrong of course, but only the details – the red rural states are already up to their necks in the illicit drug trade and poverty, so it’s not a given that they would side with the the Feds.

Posted by: anna missed | Mar 10 2009 10:48 utc | 34

“What would be your favorite model of political system to live in?
And the more important question, how do you plan to get there?”

Somewhere deep in the archives here, we’ve already gone ’round and ’round with this question, but I’ll take a small moment to reiterate what was said before.
To answer the latter question first: I have no plan to “get there”. Corruption, fueled by base avarice even to the point of suicide, will always arise to queer any political system in which more than a single person is an active participant. This simple fact might explain why political power has historically briefly expanded, only to contract again into the smallest number of hands possible, over and over again. Authoritarian and totalitarian regimes exclude and disempower the greatest number of participants, so there will always be a tendency for governance to lean in those directions. The only counterweight to this tendency would be to enact a policy of constant regulation by disinterested parties (if one could find them), but there are too many methods to circumvent regulation and corrupt regulators for me to even begin to outline here how this process guarantees nothing.
Back to the former question, my ideal system would be one of smaller and more self-sufficient is better. When I’m playing make-believe games about an ideal world, I imagine one of regional, rather than national, identities. I see landscapes dotted with smaller communities in which the residents are invested in their labor because they see a direct and measurable reward for their efforts. Corruption is minimized because there is no central authority to become corrupted and “competition” between autonomous communities is based nearly exclusively upon attracting new members. A corrupt community (I am thinking of the West Virginian “company towns” of miners here) would doom themselves to extinction by bleeding off their population to adjacent communities who treat their population more equitably.
I outlined these ideas in much greater detail here a few years ago (when I was a much more optimistic and idealistic soul than I am today), and another member (I can not now recall who it was) pointed me to the Mondragón cooperative system of worker’s self-management. I’m still very taken with this idea, however it represents only one of many varied models that an autonomous collective community can pattern itself on. Anyway, if we want to apply evolutionary models to political systems, I think a wider diversity of species is probably a better long-term survival strategy than what we are looking at now (which looks to my eye as nothing more than a biome filled to overflowing with Cavea porcellis subsidizing a smallish population of Suidae.)
It’s an interesting question and fantasy, however at the end of the discussion, I have no doubt that the changes brought about by this crash will manifest themselves in more, rather than less, centralization… as was the intent all along.

Posted by: Monolycus | Mar 10 2009 15:39 utc | 35

On the topic of civil war and other violence as possible outcomes of the current financial and economic crisis.
Any take about the terrorist attacks in Nothern Ireland? The timing of the attacks (Lloyds nationalized that Friday or Saturday) is suspect. My pro-conspirancy nature is wondering if the british government is awakening some of their old cold war monsters as a distraction for current and future economical bad news (pound crashing before or in the summer?).
Another take, perhaps more reasonable, would be that the small catholic groups that are still favorable to violence may see the british government as weakened by the crisis are trying to work the local and international environment on their profit.

Posted by: ThePaper | Mar 10 2009 16:13 utc | 36

@Monolycus – thanks for Mondragón link – good idea – I wonder how that cooperation fares with the housing crash in Spain.

Regulatory reports show 5 biggest banks face huge losses

Citibank, Bank of America, HSBC Bank USA, Wells Fargo Bank and J.P. Morgan Chase reported that their “current” net loss risks from derivatives — insurance-like bets tied to a loan or other underlying asset — surged to $587 billion as of Dec. 31. Buried in end-of-the-year regulatory reports that McClatchy has reviewed, the figures reflect a jump of 49 percent in just 90 days.

It is only “risk” of loss, not loss yet, that will come later this year. And those numbers do not include AIG. If the U.S. government covers those losses and those of the pension funds etc, the U.S. is deeper in trouble than I would have thought.

Posted by: b | Mar 10 2009 16:27 utc | 37

When there is enough to go around, when the economy is expanding, when all presumably chugs along..It doesn’t much matter, the inherent form or structure of the political system works pretty much in the same way, under different ideological glosses.
The differences between regimes and systems are another sop thrown to the public for frantic discussion while some make hay.
Communist cadres, US senators, Euro parliament types, etc, indulge in the same obfuscations, wooden discourse, money grabbing and vote trawling (or approval from above or below..)…to ensure their own living.
One model may suit one society and not another.
Also, times change; 1700 is not 2010…
No abstract ideal can be universal; on the ground realizations are at best the vaguest approximations…
I have become attached to the Swiss model but it is full of pitfalls and will only ‘work’ in particular conditions. The advantage of a hands-on-democracy is commitment and responsibility: the fact that if decisions are communally taken, they must be adhered to (no matter how foolish), and that is worth a lot, as clear decisions are better than none or chaos. Examples of ancient customs and a top-down approach, such as Sharia law, can also fulfill the same function.
Our problems today – the outcome of a long history and present overpopulation – are ‘economic’ and concern our relations with the environment. Western Green parties are a joke, centrist/socialist/left, surfing on a kind of green conscience. Note they invented nothing just adopt the zeitgeist.
Globalization and de-regulation have created a ‘capitalist’ hell. Communism while more socially fair and stable (at least in some ways), and successful up to a point, depending on how one views ‘success’ (see Hobsbawn, Age of Extremes, for example) was just as expansionist and controlling, not to mention destructive and polluting, and in its vestigial forms (China, Russia) is now also dependent on, or controlled, by State-corporation-trans-national alliances.
Misallocation of resources can only find a global solution.

Posted by: Tangerine | Mar 11 2009 16:17 utc | 38