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March 16, 2009
Renting Or Owning – Hen And Egg

Just read this piece on how badly foreclosure of rental property can effect U.S. renters. Most of the renter's problems described therein would be legally impossible in Germany.

The property owner, Irvine, Calif.-based Bethany Holdings Group, had abandoned the complex and a dozen other large rental properties in the greater Phoenix area after defaulting on hundreds of millions of dollars in loans.


The Bethany Group meltdown highlights how few protections exist for renters caught in the foreclosure crisis.


[B]y law, Hoffman said, the receiver is not liable for security deposits from renters who signed leases before the receivership went into effect.

In Germany the security deposits are on a savings bank book and in escrow of the bank. The owner can only access the deposit when he can prove a legal claim against the renter.

[I]n Arizona and at least 30 other states, there is no legal requirement to notify tenants that the property is going through foreclosure

The bankruptcy judge or the receivership manager would have to formally inform a renter in Germany and lay down whereto future rent pays should go.

And only New Jersey and the District of Columbia explicitly preserve tenants’ rights in the lease after a foreclosure.

That is very frightening. In my country leases are not effected by foreclosure at all. The renters contractual rights and obligations always continue through ownership changes.

“These tenants, if they leave, they could be held to the lease if the new owner wants to run it as a rental. If they don’t want to, the landlord could terminate the lease and say you have to get out, very often within five days.”

Five days is a ridiculously short time frame. The legal minimum here is three month, generally for both sides, and the lease is essentially permanent if the owner has no reason to kick one out. As long as one pays the rent and does no harm, the lease can not be terminated. Even if a new owner tries to terminate the lease with the claim to need to live in the leased place her/himself, s/he will have to prove that need.

So the renting laws in my country are much more renter friendly than in the U.S. and looking into why this is the case I find a hen or egg problem, i.e which was first, in homeownership rates.

The historic homeownership rate in the U.S. is some 65% (currently still a bit higher because of the housing boom). That is 65% of households are living in a place they (or their mortgage bank) own. In Europe the homeownership rate varies widely from country to country.

A 2004 paper tries to find the reason for the extreme differences:

The Southern European countries have the highest levels of owner occupation. Among the EU 15 countries Spain, Greece and Italy all have owner occupation rates of 80% or more. And Germany, while a much larger economy than those countries in the South, has an ownership rate of only 42%. … Hungary has the highest rate of owner occupation at 92%, while the rate in the Czech Republic is only half of this.

The paper does not come to a conclusion but it explores various reasons for the huge differences in homeownership rate – tradition, family patterns, land use etc. It misses two though which I think explain quite a bit.

  1. War damage and a flood of ethnic cleansed refugees after WWII has likely much to do with this. In Germany lots of people arrived from the pre-war east Germany (much of today's Poland which was moved west itself) in today's Germany and that is certainly a reason that led to building large, new and often state financed renting complexes after the second world war. Unlike in Thatcher's Great Britain these were never sold of to private ownership but are still in the hands of public cooperatives.
  2. The legal environment that equalized owners and renters rights removes a lot of incentives to own a home. Why should I own if it is less bothersome and often even cheaper to rent than to own? The 'my home is my castle' mentality is the same for German owner and renters because the renters have a lot of legal security.

The hen-egg problem is that it is difficult to answer whether good legal protection for renters were first and caused a low homeownership rate or if the majority of the people being renters drove a political process that put strong pro-renter laws into the code of law. Did legal protection furthered renting or did renting further legal protection?

To close:

I find the high homeownership rate in the U.S. inefficient. People in the U.S. tend to move more often than in Germany and transaction costs for selling a home and buying a new one are a lot higher than moving from a rental to another rental. More renting would likely be more efficient for the U.S. economy as a whole.

On the other side the homeownership rate in Germany could be higher and still efficient if lease laws would favor renters less, building standard codes would be lowered and zoning laws less restrictive. Then again – do we really want more evictions, sheds and suburbs?

The renter/lease laws in the U.S. are brutal and unjust. If a renter A has a leasing contract with B and C takes over from B due to B's foreclosure or whatever why should A's contractual rights change in that case at all?

On the other side of that argument it is currently demanded by some, including by yours truly, to give some bond owners a haircut, i.e. reduce the value of the contract bondholder A has with bank B because B screwed up and the government, C, foreclosures B and takes over B's assets.

Is there a principled right view in this? Favor small people over big money – yes. But what about the grandma that bought Lehman bonds to finance here retirement? I'll have to think more about this.

Anyway:

The huge variance in homeownership in different countries is a quite interesting phenomenon.

  • How is the situation in your country/place?
  • What homeownership rate do you think is best as a policy goal?
  • How could it be achieved?

Thanks for letting all of us know.

Comments

I was shocked to find that here in Germany interest on one’s mortgage cannot be claimed as a tax deduction. In the US this is a huge subsidy to homeowners and incentive to buy. In fact in the US I did buy a house and lowered my monthly housing cost considerably compared to the rent I had been paying. Luckily I sold it well before the bubble and crash.
I must say I enjoy the more equitable situation in Germany and prefer to rent and not tie up retirement savings in a house. It took 3 years to sell my father’s house in the US. I don’t think I will ever want to own again.

Posted by: Hamburger | Mar 16 2009 22:04 utc | 1

b-
Renting vs owning in Colorado is another way of asking if someone is poor or has money. People with money own, people without means rent. Most of what happened during the housing bubble, and now collapse, was that people bought more home than they should have.
Rather than start with a small house or a fixer-upper, many people bought custom, or semi-custom homes, that were overpriced because of the boom. Many of the people having problems are those who bought multiple houses thinking there was always going to be exponential growth and that they were going to be land barons.
I felt that the whole affair was a scheme, because I felt the babyboomers were fueling the boom and when this huge generation of americans started dying there would be a glut of housing on the market. Of course I could have never imagined the CDS…
As for ownership being efficient or not, I think that’s for an individual to decide. In the U.S. ownership can be a very good way to make money. I know quite a few people who have done well, and are paying off or paid off their property using renters, which then turns that monthly money into pocket money. I’ve paid the nice folks I rent from over $52,000 in four years, which I imagine is about a third of what they paid for the house about ten or twelve years ago.
If my personal finances weren’t in such shambles I’d have probably bought something myself. Now I figure if I wait a bit, I might be able to actually afford to buy a place or at the very least the rest of the world will have joined me down on the floor.
The truth is we’re all just renting. Some of use pay our rent directly to uncle sam, others pay rent to someone who then pays it to uncle sam.
But this is just my take on it.

Posted by: David | Mar 16 2009 23:17 utc | 2

Property taxes climb, the value of your house declines. Owners got 2nd mortgages and condo’s get special assessments and 2nd mortgages. Equity in your home was the bubble. If you sell, you’ll find that your wages go down, and your rent goes up.
I don’t have links to direct anyone as proof to these statements. I wish the last point would change for the better. I’m in Chicago.

Posted by: gus | Mar 17 2009 0:05 utc | 3

on many issues landlord/tenant rules vary from state to state but i am not very familiar w/foreclosure situations. i do know that arizona is the most landlord friendly state i have ever heard of. in arizona if a person breaks their lease or is late on the rent you can serve them a 5 (or 3) day notice to quit. after that 5 days if they have not fulfilled their obligation under the lease you can get a court date withing 2 weeks. if you go to court and win then you can have them thrown out in 5 days by the sheriff so the entire process takes about 3 weeks. in california it takes 3 months minimum if they file certain papers within a certain amount of time at all the different stages, all the time not paying the rent (they are supposed to pay but they don’t). between legal fees and lost rent it can cost you easily 6 months rent to get a non paying tenant out. during that time you still have to make your payments and pay taxes and it can easily end up cost 10 grand. that isn’t normal, but it can happen, it happened to me after someone moved in and just never paid a cent after that. there is a movie called ‘pacific heights’ about a tenant scam artist in san francisco. california is the perfect place to pull that off because the laws here favor the tenant in amazing ways and allow numerous ways in which a lawyer can practically take your house away if a landlord breaks the law.
i know that when you sell a house the lease is still in effect in most places, but this foreclosure issue is something else. i would imagine the original landlord would still be liable in court to the amount of the deposit unless they have filed for bankruptcy. they could ban together and file a class action lawsuit.

Renters can be evicted with only a few days notice, even if they’ve never missed a rent payment, and they are frequently unable to recoup security deposits and advance rent without suing
Lawyers for New Haven Legal Assistance (NHLA) threatened a lawsuit against Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, forcing them to allow renters to stay in their apartments. Advocacy groups are now pressuring other lenders to do the same.
Groups like the San Francisco Tenant’s Union and Boston’s City Life/Vida Urbana are helping renters challenge evictions in court. They are also organizing public protests against banks and urging policymakers to stop lenders—many of whom are benefiting from federal bailout funds—from evicting tenants in foreclosed properties.

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in many states you are supposed to keep the deposit in the bank and not use it but i’ve never heard of anyone regulating that. a landlord has ten days to return the deposit unless a letter is written explaining why they are keeping it, then the tenant has the option to counter that in court. if the tenant wins and it’s determined the landlord kept the money in bad faith, the court can make the landlord pay 3 times the amount not returned. many many people who want to move from a property don’t pay the last months rent and use their deposit money and don’t clean the house. this is normal, tho illegal.
recently i heard about one way of an owner staying in a foreclosed home here in calif. rather than succumbing to the inevitable demands to leave, challenge them. in order to actually evict a person the bank is supposed to provide the court with the original documentation of the loan agreement with the signature intact. since many of the banks that originally made the loans have changed hands, and many of the loans have been sold and resold, many times whoever it is that claims to own the property although they may have the title they do not have the original loan documents. most people don’t know this. they can’t make you leave the property without that documentation, or it takes a really long time tracking down that paperwork.
the people in the article, it sounds like the utilities are included in the lease. if they weren’t i would say keep paying the utilities and squat or challenge the court. sheriffs are not actually supposed to evict without a court order, not something just filed with the county. anyone can file paperwork and sometimes landlords will get the law to go and talk to tenants (what we see in the photo). but if you have a lease and are countering in court, they can’t kick you out. not that i know of even in arizona.

Trigild called Chandler police last week to alert them to a meeting at which Volk and about 100 Alante at the Islands residents were discussing possible next steps on property adjacent to the apartment complex. According to witnesses, eight or nine officers pushed their way into the crowd to disperse it, prompting a shouting match among tenants, police, the apartment manager and Volk before the meeting broke up. “It was intimidating,” Volk said of the confrontation. But he said he will continue working with the tenants and dismissed Trigild’s criticism that he is intervening simply to profit off the tenants’ fears.

the people in that apartment complex should ban together and work w/ the lawyer. denial of utilities is grounds for not paying rent, as is maintence issues. the landlord broke the lease. they could make a deal w/the utility company to pay their rental amount to the utility company until this gets worked out. then the utility company gets some money back and the tenants can stay in place until the fiasco is worked out in court. even in arizona if the tenant can prove their rights have been violated (utilities turned off) they are not obligated to pay the rent until a judgement has been made by the court. denial of utilities is grounds for a lawsuit. lots of the quotes in this article come from the new properties court appointed ‘receiver’. this doesn’t mean everything he’s telling you is true. these poeple are intimidating sometimes. and he knows there are other options which is why he doesn’t want them talking to the volk character and called the police! it isn’t necessarily illegal to have a public meeting in the adjacent lot.
it sounds to me from the tone of the article it is the tenants who want to get out of the lease, not the other way around. and i wouldn’t believe the receiver dudes word that he can break the lease but they can’t.
if they want to leave they should find out how to write the letter and don’t take the guys word it doesn’t meet their standard. stop paying rent and stay as long as it takes to get the security credited towards the rent. if what the receiver was saying is true, he would have had no reason to break up the meeting w/the lawyer. his job is to get the most for the company he can, doesn’t make him right. these guys are intimidating. if the people have been there for months w/bad conditions they should not have to pay that rent until the property is in the condition they rented in the first place.

Posted by: annie | Mar 17 2009 0:08 utc | 4

US tenant law and its adjudication is premised on class prejudice you would not believe. Tenants trying to invoke our disgracefully inadequate legal protections are apt to be reminded, by officials, that ‘shit flows downhill,’ that is, don’t get your landlord mad. Tenant law courts (having monitored them for a domestic NGO) take a paternalistic attitude toward cure that is more akin to arbitration than to enforcement of consumer legal protections. Tenants are almost invariably classed as a problem maybe one step up from inmates, even by propertied wards of the state with zero net worth and insupportable taxes. See, unless you stigmatize people for making rational decisions, it’s hard to get people to sink all their capital into an illiquid, undiversified, perilously leveraged asset that appreciates at a real rate of zero.

Posted by: …—… | Mar 17 2009 0:11 utc | 5

People with money own, people without means rent.
i don’t agree, at all. a smart investor (this doesn’t included people who just want to stay in their homes because it is where the live and they like it regardless of the value) would be someone who sold their home prior to the meltdown and is hold out until the market flattens out. there are also just a lot of people who don’t like the hassle of owning, or the upkeep. there are lots of highend rentals and they aren’t for broke people. even in denver, aspen and vail.

Posted by: annie | Mar 17 2009 0:13 utc | 6

the babyboomers were fueling the boom and when this huge generation of americans started dying there would be a glut of housing on the market.
hello? it wasn’t just babyboomer fueling the boom. when this huge generation of americans start dying we will be replaced by more people, not less.

Posted by: annie | Mar 17 2009 0:16 utc | 7

My personal situation is a little different than most of the folks living around me; I just inherited this home from my mother, who passed away in December. Tax is around $800 annual, with insurance another $650. I use well water, so after about $200 per year for trash I pay only lights and heat. No tax for the village I live in, since it’s small and full of older and poor folks. There are a lot of rentals here, but all pretty much low rent. No one wants to live here; it’s cold as hell in the winter, not many decent paying jobs, crooked local governments, and incompetent bumbling police. I grew up here, but left when I turned 19 to go live where the sun shines warm (Louisiana, Texas, Florida and Georgia). I came back at the age of 39 to help my Mother stay in her home, but now it looks like I’m stuck here. Oh well, there’s worse places to be.
Most of the real money here is old money, with homes and properties which have passed down over generations. These folks won’t be hurting, not any time soon anyway. My family is poor working class Scots-Irish, the kind which are usually stuck renting or moving around looking for better times.
When I was younger Ohio had pretty good population, but a lot of those folks seem to have moved to the sun belt. The ones who have stayed here are either old money which has some roots here or folks too poor or dumb to get out of here. Lots and lots of dumbass republicans.

Posted by: Jim T. | Mar 17 2009 2:09 utc | 8

One thing I found very interesting the first time I visited London was that home ownership was not tied to land ownership. That is, even if the home was owned, the land it was one was typically leased on a long-term (99 years, say) lease.
I don’t know whether that’s common elsewhere in England, nor what the situation looks like in other parts of Europe. But that pretty much never happens for private home ownership in the U.S. I wonder whether this has any effect on homeownership rates… It’s not entirely a rational thing, since 99 years is a pretty long time, but it wouldn’t entirely surprise me if this affects people’s attitude towards home ownership.

Posted by: Boris | Mar 17 2009 3:07 utc | 9

Generally, risk and loss ought to be shifted onto the shoulders of the people most able to bear them.
One fairer way to handle bondholder haircuts and similar bankruptcy losses would be prioritize creditors on the basis of their other assets. The grandma who bought $100,000 in Lehman bonds but has no other assets should come far in front of someone who sunk $4 million into Lehman but has $150 million in other assets.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | Mar 17 2009 4:26 utc | 10

Annie-I realize the babyboomers weren’t the sole group responsible for all the home sales but I’d argue that they were certainly the group doing most of the multi-purchasing of properties. And when the babyboomers die, it will be quite sometime before the lifetime purchasing power of this one large generation is achieved by another american generation. I assume your statement about the babyboomers being replaced by more, not less people, is including the rest of the world, because I hate to break-it to you that there will not be another generation of american’s as large and as wealthy as the babyboomers until I’m long dead.
Also, just because there are high-end rentals doesn’t mean that someone renting doesn’t own other properties other places. In fact in Aspen it is quite common for a family to rent while they wait for the finishing touches to be put on their personal castle. True wealth is tied to owning land.
Boris@9 even mention how some english folks lease the land their home is on. Who do you think is the wealthier person, the land’s owner or the home’s owner?
Land is wealth. Land with mineral rights and water rights, practically priceless, because there ain’t much left. Renting is fine for the middle class and po’ folks like me, but if you have money and don’t own land, I doubt you’ll have money for long. Really.
Of course this is in the world we currently live-in and not a more perfect one where everyone shares and plays nice, then who needs to own anything? Until that day comes, I will continue lusting after land. Why do you think Ted Turner is the largest private individual landowner in America?

Posted by: David | Mar 17 2009 4:41 utc | 11

Germany, I think, is exceptional in having such a high proportion of rented property. The proportion of ownership is high here in France, and even higher in UK.

Posted by: Alex | Mar 17 2009 8:51 utc | 12

B, with this post and the energy post, you’re forgetting the fact that (here in the USA) “we live in a nation of two hundred million used car salesmen…” to quote Hunter Thomson. Last time significant rent control reforms were tried in (in NYC) precipitated the renters themselves selling their controlled leases for tens of thousands in “key money”, the landlords going absent, and effective renter rights being sold down the river ever since. The legislation that allows the seizure of tenants deposits are of course in keeping with the same rights of retail businesses to seize consigners property to pay debts should they go bankrupt.

Posted by: anna missed | Mar 17 2009 8:51 utc | 13


How is the situation in your country/place?
What homeownership rate do you think is best as a policy goal?
How could it be achieved?

Must everything be controlled by the government?

Posted by: Rick | Mar 17 2009 12:47 utc | 14

Rick, haven’t the present circumstances demonstrated that the alternative to government – special interests (corporations) and ‘market forces’ (Ponzi) – are, despite The Road to Serfdom, completely useless for, and antithetical to, the promotion of the general good.
Could it be that the American distrust of government is due to the fact that your ‘government’ has been, for many decades, just a front for pure capitalism? I wouldn’t trust that either.
I can’t see any alternative to government at the moment, even though my viewpoint is broadly anarchist. There has to be structure, and I’d rather that structure wasn’t designed solely to impoverish/immiserate me.

Posted by: Tantalus | Mar 17 2009 13:00 utc | 15

Along the same control line of thought…
In Britain, Homebuyers will be prevented from borrowing more than three times their annual salaries under new mortgage rules to be announced this week.
FSA to cap mortgage borrowing

Posted by: Rick | Mar 17 2009 13:13 utc | 16

Tantalus,
No, just the opposite. Two wrongs don’t make a right. And I would not use only the U.S. as an example for world history lessons in bad government policies. These shysters in the U.S. have been enabled by government policies. This is especially true in the banking and finance industry but true with the power/influence given/allowed to all large corporations. I’m with Jim Rogers and Peter Schiff on this (bailouts) >- “let em fail!” But please don’t interpret this to mean I’m against all government regulation/intervention.

Posted by: Rick | Mar 17 2009 13:47 utc | 17

in France, it slowly shifted with years (which also somewhat corresponds to a shifting in mentality to something much more right-wing globally)
in 1978, there were 47% owners
in 2007, it was 58%
back in 2006 when Sarkozy campaigned for his current job, he repeatedly claimed “JE VEUX UNE FRANCE DE PROPRIETAIRES (owners)”… as he expected to clone the US debt method (he also said “les français ne sont pas assez endettés”, what a visionary 😀 ) …
Alas it turned “a bit” badly in US since then so he’s really quiet on the subject nowadays 🙂

Posted by: totoro | Mar 17 2009 14:02 utc | 18

I’m with Jim Rogers and Peter Schiff
The first guy, a predatory capitalist who’s made a killing raiding developing economies; the other a gold-fetishist and Von Mises sycophant.
It’s interesting that even as rightwing libertarianism has proved itself a failure in a 200 year history of anglo-american laizzes-faire dreamland capitalism, it is revivified at the ass-end of every business cycle as the One True Way of pure capitalist practice that will rescue humanity from “government.”
Ron Paul is the John Senior or our times–another stooge capitalists roll out to re-consecrate laizzes-faire.
It’s an enormous problem.

Posted by: slothrop | Mar 17 2009 14:29 utc | 19

And among the annoying young men intellectually rescued by rightwing capitalism, nurtured by frantic apocalyptism, is just a prelude to a life of easy country-club conservatism, anyway.

Posted by: slothrop | Mar 17 2009 14:34 utc | 20

And among the annoying young men intellectually rescued by rightwing capitalism, nurtured by frantic apocalyptism, is just a prelude to a life of easy country-club conservatism, anyway.

Posted by: slothrop | Mar 17 2009 14:34 utc | 21

Again Slothrop, you appear to discredit an idea because of a man. Does your response mean that you are for the U.S. Government bailing out the elite financial institutions because Jim Rogers is against it? And again, in sarcasm, I say if you represent the simplistic prejudicial/analysis of the political left, then I am glad to be on the right. I spelled out/added the ‘sarcasm’ just for you, Slothrop. And perhaps a gold ‘fetish’ is not such a bad thing nowadays.

Posted by: Rick | Mar 17 2009 14:52 utc | 22

And among the equally annoying young men who are those rescued by socialism, nurtured by frantic regulation is just a prelude to an easy life as government bureaucrats anyway 🙂

Posted by: David | Mar 17 2009 14:53 utc | 23

We should have a goldbug thread, just to dispense with that lunacy once and for all.

Posted by: slothrop | Mar 17 2009 15:10 utc | 24

Rightwing libertarianism is incontrovertibly stupid at precisely the point that adherents happily confuse the function of government as an excrescence upon the beautiful body of capitalism.
They have done more to advance the fiction of base/superstructure separation than any vulgar marxist.

Posted by: slothrop | Mar 17 2009 15:18 utc | 25

Slothrop@24
That would be an interesting read! I’ve read quite a few opposing opinions regarding gold as money and I’d be curious to see it argued here in the bar too.
One set (which I would find hard to believe you subscribe to) says that to monetize gold would make it too expensive for industry where it is used for its many unique chemical/electrical properties. The cost of electronics would skyrocket.
The value of anything is determined by how many desire it vs its scarcity. In prison the mackerel is the unit of currency, at least in this WSJ piece: Holy Mackerel!
This is an interesting read and gives a brief insight into how economies develop.
One can’t call gold lunacy, because there are many reasons it will always be valued; even if its just used to make prudy bullets.
Bring your goldbug pesticide over to the open thread ’cause I’d be curious to find out more.
Personally the only thing I think has any “real” value is what a person knows and can do… This is a precious commodity that you alone can decide the value of!

Posted by: David | Mar 17 2009 15:36 utc | 26

David, Personally the only thing I think has any “real” value is what a person knows and can do… This is a precious commodity that you alone can decide the value of!
Watch out David, who are you to decide what’s valuable or what you are capable of? Don’t offend our government officials.

Posted by: Rick | Mar 17 2009 16:23 utc | 27

@Rick @14 Must everything be controlled by the government?
No. Currently the U.S. government favor the owner vs. the renter. To change that does not mean more government control.
And the onwership/renter rate can probably be adjusted without any government interference by emphasizing and teaching about cooperatives that would build apartment buildings and are open for everyone to join. That is quite usual in my part of town.
@sloth @24 – We should have a goldbug thread, just to dispense with that lunacy once and for all.
Historically the “lunacy” of a gold based currency worked well for quite a while. It is not optimal, but obviously the current faith based system is not optimal either.
BTW: Gold as investment did very well since I bought some in 2002 🙂

Posted by: b | Mar 17 2009 16:36 utc | 28

b-
you bought gold in 2002? Genius! I guess you can buy drinks today 🙂

Posted by: David | Mar 17 2009 17:22 utc | 29

The implicit difference in what we’re talking about is how people consider the role of government. b has a view of government (in Germany) that would imply government is a trustworthy mechanism to arbitrate the social will in a competent, efficient, and transparent manner. While in the U.S. (judging from the comments) government is seen cynically, as either as something to be exploited (liberals), or as tool to exploit (libertarian) others. This is what American exceptionalism is all about as a politically shared ideal. And is the central justification (and result) of a tradition of weak central government that defers power to the economic and military interests.
A young friend of mine who works for a local (dem)congressman says her biggest disappointment working in Washington is that nobody takes any idea seriously unless it originates from the bowels of a lobby shop.
It’s a peculiar notion of government we have here, in that no matter how you look at it it only inspires suspicion. There’s no way that people in the U.S. could arrive at the same sense of trust in government that b seem to have when the function of government is to remain weak. Which is a whole other question of chicken and egg.
What most people in the U.S. don’t seem to understand is that “social control” is a presupposition to social life, and that when government fails to arbitrate its needs other powers will assume that role. What we have here under the guise of equatable democracy, is a society run by the wanna be wealthy to the advantage of the truly wealthy.

Posted by: anna missed | Mar 17 2009 20:05 utc | 30

One symbol of German citizens’ relationship with their government is the Reichstag dome, in which citizens (and tourists) can look down on the parliamentarians at work.

Foster and Partners won a commission in 1992 to transform the building into the new home for the unified German Parliament. The Foster team’s design focuses on making the processes of government more transparent.

Posted by: catlady | Mar 17 2009 21:13 utc | 31

david 11And when the babyboomers die, it will be quite sometime before the lifetime purchasing power of this one large generation is achieved by another american generation.
i think it is a fallacy to assume ‘this one large generation ..the babyboomers’ have all achieved purchasing power. many of them are living month to month. either way, whatever purchasing power they have achieved will be passed on to their heirs, rather promptly i would assume. the inheritance tax doesn’t kick in til 1.5 million and i doubt most babyboomers will have that much money hanging around when they die.
I assume your statement about the babyboomers being replaced by more, not less people, is including the rest of the world, because I hate to break-it to you that there will not be another generation of american’s as large and as wealthy as the babyboomers until I’m long dead.
i must be missing your point. you said there would be a glut (oversupply) in the housing market when the babyboomers died off which is why i brought up the likelihood there would be a larger generation behind them. do you think most babyboomers have multiple houses? do you imagine lots of them have no children or heirs? are you talking about these large apartment complexes? what proportion of the babyboomers do you think own all these properties? there is a big generation , the dot comers many who are not babyboomers you know. the youngest babyboomer is now around 45. i’d argue a lot of investors in multiple properties are under 45 and over 65 presently, they are not babyboomers. are you blaming the babyboomers for whats going on. madock isn’t a babyboomer, ted turner isn’t a babyboomer. cheney isn’t even a babyboomer.
i think i am not clear on your point. when the babyboomers die off we will have a glut of houses the next generations won’t be able to afford? don’t you think the prices will adjust or something?

Posted by: annie | Mar 17 2009 21:34 utc | 32

One symbol of German citizens’ relationship with their government is the Reichstag dome, in which citizens (and tourists) can look down on the parliamentarians at work.
Yes, a nice architectural feature. Which certainly does not imply any right to influence that work …
But anna missed is right. I and many other Germans do have some confidence in government that U.S. folks do not seem to have. That even though I had my share of bad experience with my government. I am not sure where my confidence comes from, Bismark? Maybe from general experience that even a flawed government gives a lot of protection. The alternative to government? Living in current Somalia like circumstances?
I’ll not vote for that.

Posted by: b | Mar 17 2009 21:49 utc | 33

i think i am not clear on your point. when the babyboomers die off we will have a glut of houses the next generations won’t be able to afford? don’t you think the prices will adjust or something?
annie, yeah, that’s what I believe.
I had started writing a long reply, full of lies and statistics (or was it the other way around?) but when I started researching I realized once more how weird or ignorant or whatever it is I am, and as such, my world view is sometimes far from being worldly.
I think I like to blame a lot of america’s problems on the boomer generation because I don’t trust them (ya’ gotta remember I was raised by ‘um, and this skews my view) also I don’t really trust the boomer’s parents (my grandparents) either.
I suppose it’s just sour grapes ’cause I’m jealous I wasn’t able to enjoy the world as they did. Despite my seeming ignorance, I’ve read a lot of history and in my head I’ve lived hundreds of past lives. Because these books have been historic, it’s easy for my mind to break-out the big can of rose-colored paint and a big brush, slapping a thick coat on the past. When I’m painting like this, I begin to believe I was the original artist and rather than just using the brush to color the past, I begin to change it (at least in my head) to what I think it should have looked like.
So I blame people I never met for things they probably couldn’t control that has left the world in the state it is now. If I live another fifty years I’ll be able to buy the history book, and paint it the way I think it should look now too, blaming all my friends…
A side note: people shouldn’t be allowed to have sex from mid-november thru mid-january and the world wouldn’t have to deal with freaks like me 🙂
It’s hard to enjoy living in the present because I feel challenged juggling the minutia of daily life; each of the hundreds of decisions made today are like throwing hands full of stones into time’s pond until I can’t begin to guess where the ripples will cross or land.
The future I view with the same type of hope I have when low on gas and I’m about to crest a hill on some distant highway, knowing a gas station should be near. Yeah, I’m equally at home living in the past or the future, just don’t make me deal with NOW.
I guess this rant/post is a way of thanking you for once more keeping me on my toes and dealing with the collective reality rather than just living in my personal fantasy world 🙂

Posted by: David | Mar 18 2009 14:29 utc | 34