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February 15, 2009
OT 09-06
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This from Haaretz
Now is Obama showing a flicker of difference with the Bush Admin, or does he feel he can serve Israeli interests better by managing and redirecting the conference? The fact that Haaretz is complaining about it implies the former, but we will see if it can be derailed. Also, the balance of power is changing, and if the “one state solution” comes into view, then the two state solution becomes much more attractive. Posted by: Lysander | Feb 15 2009 16:01 utc | 1 b Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 15 2009 16:07 utc | 3 from the Haaretz article posted by Lysander: Posted by: Tangerine | Feb 15 2009 17:35 utc | 4 http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/02/social-collapse-best-practices.html Balkanac, Posted by: Juannie | Feb 15 2009 19:26 utc | 6 @Juannie Posted by: Balkanac | Feb 15 2009 19:32 utc | 8 From the Peres Editorial: Posted by: Arnold Evans | Feb 15 2009 19:33 utc | 9 Balakanac, Posted by: Juannie | Feb 15 2009 19:47 utc | 10 Israel’s real fear is the burgeoning population growth which will put Israeli Jews into the minority. Today’s news is that Gaza’s population has hit 1.4m and has grown 40% over the last 10 years. Posted by: Ensley | Feb 15 2009 20:05 utc | 11 The Obama administration will most likely fail in pressuring the Durban 2 convenors to take zionism off the agenda. The notion that any meeting on racism could fail to address the most egregious racism on the planet today, zionism, is insane, but there you go. What Obama and co will then try to do is use Obama’s unwhiteness to discredit the conference, after all how could a brown person be a racist? That riff is an oldie but a goodie, so if Obama says that it is the conference organisers who are racist ie anti-semite, then the media and mainstream whiteys will go along with that. Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 15 2009 20:33 utc | 12 The article was trenchant and highly pertinent. And 9939 words in what I tried to convey in 553. Not at all disparaging but observant. In the forum he presents it “Cowell Theatre in Fort Mason Center, San Francisco, to an audience of 550 people.” the temporal usage is appropriate. It’s expected. Posted by: Juannie | Feb 15 2009 20:44 utc | 13 Debs @12 you’ve been a diamond to us bar flys. Thanks for sharing your sharp thoughts and passion. Posted by: barfly | Feb 15 2009 21:14 utc | 14 Love in the Time of Cupcakes? Your link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY5rV84Io6Y Posted by: Dee Dee | Feb 15 2009 21:43 utc | 15 here’s a question for all the euro folks but first an explanation. i am french but haven’t lived in france in 27 years. left paris in 1982 and moved to a’dam where i lived for 11 years then left a’dam to los angeles in 1992/93. i am returning to europe as my folks are getting old and i need to be close to them. here’s the question: what can i expect from europe? how have things changed? i’m not sure yet where i’ll be relocating to but i will spend sometime in paris (where my folks live) but my best friends are in a’dam and might ultimately have to move there as i think it’ll be easier for me to find a job there. Posted by: charmicarmicat | Feb 15 2009 23:40 utc | 17 @5 Good instinct, to question that. Kollapsnik is imprecise about the US/COMECON parallels and he confounds his predictions with that peak-oil business. Russia collapsed from terms-of-trade deterioration. That’s the US’ problem now too. In the USSR’s case, oil got cheap as agricultural imports got dear. The US has taken a much sharper hit to its terms of trade as capital markets abruptly discounted its chief export, IOUs. But current domestic Verelendung actually gives the US kleptocracy a breather by stanching the macro bleeding – forced expenditure reduction can pay down debt. There won’t necessarily be any consequences for stability as the US populace gets used to debt peonage, predatory and increasingly militarized debt collection, and tent cities (no really, now there’s an NGO that mercifully sets them up). Eroding human development will simply be criminalized for reliable control, and the country’s fate will be decided by contending elites. If the bankers manage to perpetuate current graft norms so they can walk off with their winnings, China will get screwed. Japan’s rentiers will get screwed. Saudi princelings will get screwed. Europe will get screwed. The little tweak that upends US oligopoly will have to come from offshore. Nostalgic mass thrashing at the barricades will be worse than useless until international capital markets have softened up the US oligoi. Posted by: …—… | Feb 15 2009 23:54 utc | 18 Here’s your little tweak: Posted by: Para Bola | Feb 16 2009 0:48 utc | 19 felicitations for the people of venezuela – with between 54 – 60% for the yes vote. it would seem that umperialism can no longer frighten the people Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 16 2009 2:10 utc | 20 felicitations for the people of venezuela – with between 54 – 60% for the yes vote. it would seem that umperialism can no longer frighten the people Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 16 2009 2:10 utc | 21 @19 May be. Add in a nice gesture, coupled with some big private equity stakes so Carlyle, Blackstone, etc. can chew up and spit out the bankrupt banks (subject to meaningful structural regulation, a big proviso), temporarily disrupting payoffs for Congress, while multilateral pressure is applied to remind the US of the international covenants it signed… and something might give just a hair. Unless of course the war starts first, then we’re going to annihilate you all in world-girdling thermonuclear fire for Christ. Posted by: …—… | Feb 16 2009 3:23 utc | 22 interesting picture on bagnews, Posted by: sabine | Feb 16 2009 5:45 utc | 23 Of course no one in the media comments on the hypocrisy of Israel using the nuclear non-proliferation treaty as an excuse for bombing iran. Has anyone else heard of a state that isn’t a signatory to a treaty using that treaty as an excuse for agression before? Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 16 2009 6:28 utc | 24 — 18) Sent “There won’t necessarily be any consequences for stability as the US populace gets used to debt peonage, predatory and increasingly militarized debt collection, and tent cities…” to my non-combat buddy languishing contentedly tax free, free BQ’s and all you can eat, in one of our hundreds of overseas military resorts, err, bases (that’s where the other $400B goes EVERY YEAR, four times more than one-time Obama infrastructure plan, ad infinitum). He immediately fired back a screeching 36-point incoming, ‘WHY DON’T YOU MOVE TO IRAN WHERE THE HATE IS 24/7!’, which made me laugh, because my Iranian correspondent says life is miserable there for the same corruption-as-mafia reason that Bush destroyed America with, which my Russian correspondent sardonically jokes about after decades of debt peony, and my Chinese correspondent remains tight-lipped fearing Full Spectrum Dominance Police State Soon Coming to Theatres Near You, as though 2000 was the Second Millenia for all of us, everywhere. We’re all debt peons now, Iranian and Russian, American and Chinese alike. The only Winners the 3W’s, Wall Street, Washington DC and West Point. Posted by: Anuther de Bacle | Feb 16 2009 6:51 utc | 25 i’m surprised nobody’s mentioned this wrt the obviousness of israel treating a conference on racism like the plague.
since when do democracies require loyalty oaths to racist policies? theatre of the absurd. Posted by: annie | Feb 16 2009 10:25 utc | 26 Balkanac #8, check out badger’s latest post.
Posted by: annie | Feb 16 2009 11:22 utc | 27 Well, another worrisome backtrack by O who daily discovers his inner-republican. Posted by: slothrop | Feb 17 2009 1:58 utc | 28 Continued from “The Right to Choose” so as not be OT. Posted by: Juannie | Feb 17 2009 2:33 utc | 29
Posted by: annie | Feb 19 2009 18:42 utc | 31 norman finklestein’s withering attack on the fool cordesman Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 19 2009 20:27 utc | 32 b, i just got a message my comment and AFP link re the unification meeting of palestinians in egypt is held up w/the spam filter til your approval. here’s some text
Posted by: annie | Feb 21 2009 18:16 utc | 33 it seems the finklestein dissapeared so i shall relink – it’ a fabulously tough piece Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 21 2009 19:12 utc | 34 Wisconsin to deploy largest force since WWII Posted by: Tangerine | Feb 21 2009 19:31 utc | 35 b, thought you might be interested in this Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 21 2009 19:58 utc | 36 @ #35 Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 21 2009 19:59 utc | 37 jesus Tangerine , that’s disgusting. all from one state. fuck Posted by: annie | Feb 21 2009 20:08 utc | 38 @rgiap – @36 – it’s nonsense – saw someone taking it apart and will not bother to do so here. Slothrop, Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 21 2009 20:57 utc | 41 dos Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 21 2009 21:33 utc | 42 remembereringgiap,
it seems to me to be a step in the right direction. Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 21 2009 21:50 utc | 43 no, dan, i was referring more to the maintenance by obama re bagram, re rendition, re the questions relating to detainees that went through the courts on friday Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 21 2009 22:02 utc | 44 & you know dan, that for a communist & materialist – i am fundamentally a fairly superstitious fellow – & where a jurisprudence is bent & corrupt so is the society that created it Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 21 2009 23:13 utc | 45 dos Posted by: slothrop | Feb 21 2009 23:40 utc | 47 it would seem volcker & soros are both shitting themselves at the catastrophe scenarios on-face & at the same time wetting themselves at the profits that are to come – in nightmares considerably worse than my own Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 21 2009 23:55 utc | 48 “The Obama administration, siding with the Bush White House, contended Friday that detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights. Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 22 2009 0:25 utc | 49 Have to agree with slothrop going after the workers on the grounds they don’t have the correct pieces of paper to work is just more divide and rule from the elites. Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 22 2009 1:28 utc | 50 Well, this is going to be my hardest task to date. I have to come up with a good argument to counter Debs is dead. It is daunting at best because he always speaks with passion and has a very good historical perspective. but I want to try simply because I need to understand this whole migrant worker thing much better than I apparently do now. Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 22 2009 10:32 utc | 51
Sam Quinones, writing in Foreign Policy. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 22 2009 18:04 utc | 52
Could a Sudden Collapse of Mexico Be Obama’s Surprise Foreign Policy Challenge? Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 22 2009 18:06 utc | 53
Mexico: A Nation-State Dissolves? (from Sept 2007!) Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 22 2009 18:09 utc | 54
David Pugliese, Canwest News Service Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 22 2009 18:13 utc | 55
John Robb, writing at his blog, Global Guerrillas. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 22 2009 18:16 utc | 56
McClatchy and the Christian Science Monitor seem to have long compilations of these stories. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 22 2009 18:20 utc | 57 Just how secure is America’s southern border?
..snip..
via (the always excellent and incredibly verbose (bring a lunch)) Subtopia. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 22 2009 18:26 utc | 58 Tangentially related:
One of MoA’s own. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 22 2009 18:29 utc | 59
via The (ever-prescient) Oil Drum. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 22 2009 18:33 utc | 60 A quick note: the series of links I’m leaving here are from my own Google Reader and del.icio.us bookmarks – I’m not just sitting here spamming stuff I find in a websearch today. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 22 2009 18:36 utc | 61 will the hollowing out of Mexico be used as a pretext for a US landgrab? Yeah, but when one links all the seemingly disparate events together: Mexico, the banking crisis and solution which only makes things worse, Pakistan and Afghanistan, Iraq, Georgia, etc. — as I did, and as Richard K. Moore did, one becomes a “conspiracy theorist.” Posted by: Malooga | Feb 22 2009 19:20 utc | 64 Oops sorry Dan I did a hit and run yesterday and only saw your response just now. Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 22 2009 19:26 utc | 65 re mexico, last night i was (only) glancing at the latest book by stratfor’s george friedman, which elaborates his predictions for the next 100 years of geopolitics, and he puts an emphasis on the rise of mexico as a world power & one that directly challenges the united states, perhaps even an irredentist reconquest of the u.s. southwest. having read many of the same stories that jeremiah highlights above, i had to chuckle at the time i was persuing the book, but now i wonder if there’s not something deeper that connects these two seemingly contradictory points-of-view, if only that the futurist one provides the pretext for contemporary preemptive actions. Posted by: b real | Feb 22 2009 20:06 utc | 66 thanks Debs, Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 22 2009 20:39 utc | 67
Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 22 2009 21:51 utc | 68 Connections:
Mr. Rubin appears the “cast” of James B. Stewart’s seminal work “Den of Thieves.” (see page 12).
From Rubin’s APP:
Regarding Africa:
Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 22 2009 23:03 utc | 70
Elsewhere..
Just under a year ago:
Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 23 2009 0:45 utc | 71 jeremiah – in your research have you come across any useful info on the connections of these brutal mexican slayings to guatemala’s kaibiles? Posted by: b real | Feb 23 2009 4:10 utc | 72 @b real: only in the most tenuous sense. I am not at all aware of the kaibiles by name or individual history. Thank you for the link. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 23 2009 6:11 utc | 73 CABIN IN THE WOODS Posted by: Lizard | Feb 23 2009 6:27 utc | 74 More on Mexico, specifically its relationship to the global energy market:
Tony Allison, writing in Financial Sense Online. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 23 2009 16:46 utc | 77
Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 23 2009 17:11 utc | 78 secrecy news: Tunnels Beneath U.S. Borders Proliferate
links at original Posted by: b real | Feb 23 2009 17:24 utc | 79 Jeremiah- Posted by: David | Feb 23 2009 17:25 utc | 80 ditto Posted by: Malooga | Feb 23 2009 17:45 utc | 81
William S. Lind, writing at Defense and National Interest. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 23 2009 17:45 utc | 82 Don’t call me a follower of MoA. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 23 2009 18:53 utc | 83 i remember slothrop pushing a line that we were being too melodramatic about the antiquities in iraq & if i remember correctly he linked to some harpers article which really downplayed the sacking of baghdad Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 23 2009 21:32 utc | 84 the one i’m thinking of wasn’t harpers, but claiming as “definitive” an article by “Colonel Matthew Bogdanos, US Central Command, Iraq Museum Investigation”. discussion started on this page Posted by: b real | Feb 23 2009 22:33 utc | 85 No, the argument there was whether the US intended that the museum be sacked. There is no proof the army wanted the artifacts stolen. Posted by: slothrop | Feb 23 2009 22:47 utc | 86
via Seeking Alpha.
Peter Broockvar via Barry Ritholz.
via John Robb @ Global Guerrillas. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 23 2009 23:05 utc | 88 Here is the rant iI wrote for the latest issue of my publication. Nothing great, but I thought a few of you might appreciate the last graph Posted by: David | Feb 23 2009 23:58 utc | 89 You had Ms Wick too? Posted by: Malooga | Feb 24 2009 2:12 utc | 90 There is no proof the army wanted the artifacts stolen. Posted by: anna missed | Feb 24 2009 3:02 utc | 91 All high school guys need a Ms Wick but I might have learned more if she had explained the Federal Reserve or the real power of lobbyist or even just clued us boys in on women in general, I’d have learned more. But there is a lot to be said for teachers who inspire you to learn things on your own, maybe even more so. Posted by: David | Feb 24 2009 3:24 utc | 92 one of the dynamics i think exists in the poem i posted is the implied position of class/leisure and the guilt that emerges from “the speaker” in regard to the exterior events that privilege/leisure must ignore to preserve the satisfaction of “roughing it” for a few days in the woods. Posted by: Lizard | Feb 24 2009 5:11 utc | 93 Jeremiah@78: thank you, just caught it. the images are beautiful and make me think immediately about Into The Wild. Posted by: Lizard | Feb 24 2009 6:20 utc | 94 Interesting article on Israeli attempts to destabilize Pakistan: Posted by: Parviz | Feb 24 2009 14:20 utc | 95 |
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