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February 2, 2009
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I’ve long thought that you can figure out the US only by analogy with history’s most purulent third-world banana republics – particularly under the right, but that’s a matter of degree. So here’s an IBRD guy who’s seen it all before and to him it looks familiar. If the US is an empire, it’s entering the terminal phase of Brezhnev-type collapse of governance. Without root-and-branch anticorruption reform, sectoral restoration and macro stabilization are going to fail. Posted by: …—… | Feb 2 2009 14:13 utc | 1 No, no, no! Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Feb 2 2009 15:04 utc | 2
Posted by: Cloned Poster | Feb 2 2009 15:21 utc | 3 One need not agree with either the formulation of the problematic or the cures proposed in this brief discussion of search engine secrecy to consider the issue worthy of further discussion. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Feb 2 2009 15:24 utc | 4 @Cloned Poster 3: Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Feb 2 2009 15:31 utc | 5 Chuck, Posted by: David | Feb 2 2009 15:32 utc | 6 Recently, as some know, I have gone on a tangent as to the system. In my, ‘Clinical, methodical and damn, systemic’, theme, and I haven’t gotten much in feedback on this, while trying to produce link after link, of meta narrative. Some just don’t seem to bite. Most of what I have contributed to MOA has been intuitive and from my own experience, however, the following gives me much validation, and I once again bring it to the table for discussions.
Justification and the Law- Part 2 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 2 2009 15:49 utc | 7 System Justification and the Law- Part 3:The American Dream. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 2 2009 16:09 utc | 8 David, Posted by: Cynthia | Feb 2 2009 16:55 utc | 9 @7 U$, Posted by: biklett | Feb 2 2009 17:51 utc | 10 U$- Posted by: David | Feb 2 2009 18:52 utc | 11 MOA has discussed the Minot AFB Clandestine Nukes ‘Oddities’
Now it’s seven and Now they are all dead!!!!! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 2 2009 19:04 utc | 12 U$-You must be lurking over at WRH, I just noticed the same posting-pretty creepy. But all on the up and up I’m sure ;( Posted by: David | Feb 2 2009 19:07 utc | 13 U$-Thanks for the punctuation <*)))><...! I emailed to a buddy who builds bamboo flyrods... He'll get a kick out of it. Posted by: David | Feb 2 2009 19:11 utc | 15 You must be lurking over at WRH Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 2 2009 19:18 utc | 16 Speaking of the system… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 2 2009 19:40 utc | 17 Will Obama be the Gorbachev of the U.S., undermining it by attempting to reform it? Posted by: lysias | Feb 2 2009 21:51 utc | 18 I don’t know what your angle is Uncle but you are way off base. People who move nuclear weapons are a very small and specialized organization. A couple of them got complacent and did not look into a tiny window to see if the cruise missiles they were sending to Barksdale were real world or dummies. The wrong ones were loaded onto an airplane and arrived safely in Louisiana. there the mistake was discovered and severe measures were taken to prevent that sort of stupid crap from happening again. Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 2 2009 22:06 utc | 19 Will Obama be the Gorbachev of the U.S., undermining it by attempting to reform it? Hahahahahaha
Posted by: sabine | Feb 3 2009 5:24 utc | 21 In other news: Posted by: Michael | Feb 3 2009 7:09 utc | 22 @22, Posted by: biklett | Feb 3 2009 7:25 utc | 23 A new post by China Hand discusses Syed Saleem Shahzad‘s recent four part report on Pakistan’s “counterinsurgency campaign”. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Feb 3 2009 8:26 utc | 25 Outlawed: Gitmo survivor describes torture Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 3 2009 10:41 utc | 26 I was responding to Parviz over at the Iranian weapons ship, and I found the post too long and too far off thread, it doesn’t belong over there so I’ll stick it up here. Posted by: David | Feb 3 2009 14:21 utc | 27 Hey David, Posted by: Tantalus | Feb 3 2009 14:47 utc | 28 I had the same feeling of sleaziness when dealing with the Campus Crusade for Christ in the late 70’s when attending university. It put me off Christianity completely for a long time. Turns out they were heavily supported by the Bunker Hunt brothers, two completely smarmy fat bastardw who made themselves infamous through their unsuccessful attempt to corner the silver market. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 3 2009 15:29 utc | 29 Meanwhile, in the Dept. of Fallen Heroes: Posted by: Tantalus | Feb 3 2009 15:53 utc | 30 LOL, tantalus Posted by: b real | Feb 3 2009 16:32 utc | 31 but i don’t see it as lydon selling out or anything, really. the pistol’s were always as much about marketing a specific subculture to their audience, imo, as anything to do w/ music. and then PIL quickly veered into commercial-oriented releases. he’s always been selling something. Posted by: b real | Feb 3 2009 17:06 utc | 32 Yep, b real. ‘Johnny Rotten’ the Situationalist brand – though that in itself was exciting back in the day. I admit I haven’t listened to a thing he’s done since the first PiL. Wire, This Heat, Swell Maps etc etc on the other hand… Posted by: Tantalus | Feb 3 2009 17:45 utc | 33 Time line of the invention of TV, from about.com Posted by: Tangerine | Feb 3 2009 18:16 utc | 34 I have often pointed out the one-sidedness and neglecting of facts by Human Rights Watch. Here is former HRW member taking them down. Human Rights Watch Goes to War
You simply must read this. Theoretically, this is an insider’s account of mortgage fraud. Very interesting in that he supplies many, MANY details. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 3 2009 22:05 utc | 36 uncle Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 3 2009 22:17 utc | 37 Would it be possible to create a “Suggested Reading/Viewing” canon for MoA? I’ve noticed a tendency for threads to derail because posters are speaking different dialects, so to speak. Many MoA vets understand certain references and may invoke them with the best of intentions, but many times nuances are lost. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 4 2009 0:53 utc | 38 Tantalus@28, Posted by: David | Feb 4 2009 1:39 utc | 39 A Brief History of the New World Order Posted by: Malooga | Feb 4 2009 4:11 utc | 40 Malooga: I hear you can fuzz out the effects of the chip with enough Victory gin. Posted by: catlady | Feb 4 2009 5:23 utc | 41 “A Brief History of the World Order” seems to tailor history to the theory as much if not more than it uses history to support the argument. It’s a supremely teleological argument whose thrust is so inexorable as to overwhelm everything. We can all hug our fate like those champs of telos who are erotically longing for Armageddon. A critical mind should reject a theory that posits Obama and Al Gore as agents of the devil, and the end of history as the dreaded One World Government. Interesting theory Malooga, slothrop would probably see it as conformation of his ideas. I see lots of assumptions and gloss over of international events in support of the general thesis. The most interesting (relevant) conclusions of which:
Which unfortunately for slothrop, is contradicted in the following paragraph, by asserting that the empire is indeed American-centric.
Posted by: anna missed | Feb 4 2009 8:41 utc | 44
Putin’s been reading MoA? Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 4 2009 9:48 utc | 45
We’re invading Bolivia, too? Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 4 2009 9:52 utc | 46 beq@47- Posted by: David | Feb 4 2009 15:03 utc | 48 one cannot watch al jazeera without noting that as far as latin america, africa & south east asia – their ideas are in complete synthesis with rupert murdoch Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 4 2009 21:17 utc | 50 & mullah fasullah in the swat valley – sounds like a funk band – perhaps he is a funky taliban Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 4 2009 21:26 utc | 51 i’m a selfish little fucker but i would like to have more information on kyrgyzstan from either b or alex Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 4 2009 21:39 utc | 52 A somewhat radder variant of the much-neglected organizing concept of debtors’ clubs. Americans can’t wreck the joint alone, but with coordinated foreign pressure and sufficient domestic desperation, things could just change a bit. Posted by: …—… | Feb 4 2009 22:35 utc | 53 I remember someone raving about an article in French, exposing the secret Iran-Israel connection, and asking whether anyone can find the translation. Well, here is an enthralling account of Israeli-Iranian behind-the-scenes cooperation and the repeated Israeli treachery that followed: Posted by: Parviz | Feb 5 2009 15:42 utc | 54 Peter Gowan:
via New Left Review. Posted by: Jeremiah | Feb 5 2009 16:53 utc | 55 Warning. Atheists may be offended.
I practiced the laughing man spiritual tradition of which my major guru was RAWilson. Posted by: Juannie | Feb 6 2009 19:25 utc | 56 been waiting for this one for several weeks now, limited hangout & all
Posted by: b real | Feb 7 2009 6:14 utc | 57 to go w/ #57
i didn’t follow the operations very closely, but the coverage was just as chaotic as the ops were. the LRA blamed the UPDF for some of the massacres, the UPDF blamed the LRA. journalists at kampala’s daily monitor were arrested for trying to report that the official storyline was falsified in that the forces actually raided empty rebel camps when they claimed to have engaged the LRA, etc… Posted by: b real | Feb 7 2009 6:56 utc | 58 re the latest shoe throwing, Sweden gets into the act too. Shoes and books were thrown at the Israeli ambassador the other day. here is a bit of video. I do not see ASKoD there…could have been filming though I suppose. Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 7 2009 10:34 utc | 59 pretty wild story from the miami times on thursday
Posted by: b real | Feb 7 2009 18:21 utc | 60 from a friday democracy now interview w/ p.w. singer on his new book on robots & the military
am i wrong, or do the internationally-accepted rules of warfare then make this killer a legitimate target at his home, in his toyota, at his PTA meeting or his kids soccer practice in wherever nevada? Posted by: b real | Feb 7 2009 21:31 utc | 61 As bad as things get economically in the US, the elite are still betting on enough technological advances as the one above to conquer the world from their home office. Posted by: Malooga | Feb 7 2009 22:15 utc | 62 @58 the LRA’s insurrection is looking increasingly proxy war-ish. A credible (NGO) local who is there tells stories of airdrops in the bush, and not for the UPDF. She attributed them to Acholis outside Uganda. The LRA has a regional tribal underpinning that gets ignored in all the crowd-pleasing horror of sliced-off lips and stuff. Posted by: …—… | Feb 8 2009 17:07 utc | 63 Tom Ricks (conservative/realist journalist) on Iraq and Afghanistan Ricks was unimpressive, I thought, and behind the curve. Posted by: Alex | Feb 8 2009 19:50 utc | 65 Odierno is an extremist, watch for him to get replaced. Posted by: annie | Feb 8 2009 20:10 utc | 66 I figure I am not the only one who has wondered how things go for old-time barfly DeAnander. She dropped of a report over at eurotrib, here is part of it:
Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Feb 8 2009 21:13 utc | 67 #61 b real:
You’re right, but he and civilians he hides behind are in danger only if he attacks Israel (or DC or London.) (Impossible I know, as are Paris, Milan … any place in Randy Newman’s “Political Science”. And if possible, he’d be suicided, less collateral problems,)
Already done. Just liquidation and consolidation now. slothrop Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 10 2009 3:54 utc | 71 Interesting lead slothrop. The link “Patrick J. Leahy” in the last paragraph of your link, “lie” leads to further links that got me to this:
I have wondered since 01 when Lehey would use his Senatorial power to investigate the machinations surrounding the anthrax attempts on his life. It was a curious omission from him for me. I’m from VT of course. The court intrigue is indeed strange. Now he can come out with a real investigation? Well, I’ll believe it when I see it. Posted by: Juannie | Feb 10 2009 4:02 utc | 72 If he’s just another tyrant, which I tend to believe, then why can Leahy come out of the closet now? Wouldn’t Obama be just as much a threat? Well no I guess, it didn’t happen on O’s watch. The investigation is something that now can be tolerated as an expression of true democracy in action… aaahh..uuugg. Posted by: Juannie | Feb 10 2009 4:19 utc | 73 It would be a big, big mistake to attribute everything to a monolithic US elite. The factional cleavage is real and could make all the difference in the world. You’ll see, next time the right takes power. Posted by: …—… | Feb 10 2009 19:27 utc | 74 Mumbai tactics in Kabul: Taliban attack government buildings in Kabul
billmon got a new on at dkos. Posted by: sabine | Feb 12 2009 7:41 utc | 76 Did anyone here know that Obama’s Chief of Staff left the U.S.A. to fight for Israel? I was shocked to learn this, plus other revelations by the excellent Michael Scheuer who wrote “Imperial Hubris” and is one of my ex-CIA favourite authors: Posted by: Parviz | Feb 12 2009 15:38 utc | 77 Yeah, everyone knows this around here. You must have missed the several discussions. It’s common knowledge among the political classes. Posted by: Malooga | Feb 12 2009 16:53 utc | 78 Malooga, sorry, my mistake. You guys/gals are much quicker than I. Posted by: Parviz | Feb 12 2009 19:05 utc | 79 How dare they? blackwater got itself a new name:
Xe??????? Posted by: sabine | Feb 14 2009 2:19 utc | 82 @sabine #82 Posted by: Monolycus | Feb 14 2009 5:12 utc | 83 hi monolycus, Posted by: sabine | Feb 14 2009 6:58 utc | 84 |
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