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February 27, 2009
Obama the CinC

Lauding Obama? Me? Yes.

Not 'brilliant' – too much U.S. centric propaganda for that attribute – but a good speech and clear intentions:

Let me say this as plainly as I can: by August 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end.

After we remove our combat brigades, our mission will change from combat to supporting the Iraqi government and its security forces as they take the absolute lead in securing their country.


Through this period of transition, we will carry out further redeployments. And under the status of forces agreement with the Iraqi government, I intend to remove all US troops from Iraq by the end of 2011. We will complete this transition to Iraqi responsibility, and we will bring our troops home with the honour that they have earned.

I see no if's and maybe's. Good for Iraq, maybe very bad for Pakistan.

Towards the U.S. domestic realm: Well done. With that speech Obama has made himself Commander in Chief that will be respected by the U.S. forces. Not a small achievement. Some generals might revolt over this.

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let the brass / generals revolt – we will just round them up. take them out back and have them shot in the back of the head and let them topple into the pit previously dug.
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem – but we will not have the problem for long.

Posted by: Let Them Revolt | Feb 27 2009 21:31 utc | 1

sometime in 2010 they will pull out a dictionary and rename the u.s. troops to something else, like ‘humanitarian operatives’ or ‘energy protection consultants’. which will continue to buy them more time.

Posted by: b real | Feb 27 2009 21:51 utc | 2

@b real – sometime in 2010 they will pull out a dictionary and rename the u.s. troops to something else,
They will try – but 50 ‘energy consultants’ in SUVs are a big difference to 140,000 combat able troops in Strykers and M1A’s. Those fifty or whatever can be chopped down in a minute – and they will know it.
You can not declare a 15.000 men army division with 10,000 Filipinos who feed them attached ‘energy protection consultants’. Even the best PR people will not be able to do so. The Iraqis would know the difference for sure and attack them, or better, their logistics.
No sane military commander would leave them in that situation. From a military point, it is all or nothing. Obama said nothing. That word is out and while some generals might rebel over that leaving a residual “oil guard” would be a a suicide mission for that guard.
Of course all tricks will be tried. But from a military point of view – this is the end.

Posted by: b | Feb 27 2009 22:18 utc | 3

let us pray

Posted by: annie | Feb 27 2009 22:24 utc | 4

Of course all tricks will be tried.
All tricks will be tried by who? The generals?

Posted by: Alex | Feb 27 2009 22:27 utc | 5

At its face a removal of “all US troops” seems unlikely unless, as others have pointed out, they’re renamed. Or a lot more mercenaries are hired, the kind that comes with their own air force.

Posted by: Obsydia | Feb 27 2009 22:31 utc | 6

Your take on Obama’s speech is quite right, b. Obama has given a clear commitment to obey the SOFA/Withdrawal Agreement. A bit of surprise for me, who thought it would take a year or two longer for O’s policy to develop enough to see this was the only choice.
Good news on realism. Realism here means that there may be realism elsewhere. Difficult to predict precisely how. But I would say that the knell is being sounded for a lot of the wilder schemes. One may say that no US troops in Iraq means that a US/Israel scheme to attack Iran will be free to go ahead, but I doubt it.
I’ve always thought of the US invasion of Iraq as the ‘point’ operation of the attack on Islam. If it were rolled back, as it is being here, then in the future Israel would be in a weaker position, and the uselessness of the Afghan war would be more obvious, and that war itself isolated.
Those effects are still far away in the future, and could be disputed. We will see how things shape up.

Posted by: Alex | Feb 27 2009 22:33 utc | 7

to put it simply, i don’t believe him & history has shown that i have no reason to trust any proclamation by a us president about their military

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 27 2009 22:54 utc | 8

What I’ve read seems to indicate that after 2010, about 50,000 troops will remain in-country. Wasn’t that about the number that Rumsfeld thought were necessary to prosecute the war in the first place?
If so, this isn’t really “withdrawing”…

Posted by: Obelix | Feb 27 2009 22:58 utc | 9

so it will be mercenaries then — rather than a division of u.s. citizen volunteers or conscripts — probably like what’s going on in the niger delta
The mercenaries take over

The Niger Delta is crawling with British and American private paramilitary companies providing security services for clients in the oil and gas industry, in clear violation of Nigerian law, according to a weeks-long investigation by Next on Sunday.
No fewer than 10 such companies, prominent among them Control Risk– which has on its payroll the former body guard of Diana, the late Princess of Wales– as well Erinys International and ArmorGroup, currently operate in our restive Delta, some through opaque partnerships with local companies.
These paramilitary organisations, which used to be known as mercinaries or soldiers of fortune, operate in such violent outposts as Iraq, Congo, Somalia and Afghanistan. They provide, in the Niger Delta as elsewhere, counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism services, personnel security, and anti-piracy operations. The Niger Delta in particular has become notorious for piracy, kidnapings, and sabotage of oil installations.
Our laws forbid foreigners from operating armed security companies or paramilitary organisations of any kind and, strictly speaking, these hired guns are forbidden from freelancing here.
But almost all of them have sought to get around the law by forming vague partnerships with local companies and by claiming to provide mainly advisory services, which contradict their stated objectives and services on their parent websites and their known activities in other countries.

(h/t to crossed crocodiles)
still, lot of time until 2011 and lots can & will change before then

Posted by: b real | Feb 27 2009 23:04 utc | 10

Time will tell – when the SOFA was signed and some of us pointed out that it didn’t leave much room for manoeuvre – that it did say all troops had to get out, we were soundly criticised for being unrealistic.
Subsequent events Iraqi, in particular Obama’s back down on timelines with Petraeus and bigger picture such as the new DOJ administration instructing judges that despite public announcements that while ‘extraordinary renditions’ will cease “the new administration will not be moving on from Bush’s policies on the legal status of renditions and of supposed enemy combatants. Lawyers from Holder’s DoJ have emphasized to judges that they, like DoJ lawyers instructed by Gonzales and Mukasey, contend that captives seized by the US government and conveyed to secret prisons to be tortured have no standing in US courts and the Obama regime has no legal obligations to defend or even admit its actions in any US courtroom. “Enemy combatants” will not be afforded international legal protections, whether on the field of battle in Afghanistan or, if kidnapped by US personnel, anywhere in the world.” (Alex Cockburn today) makes anyone wonder were the truthiness ends and the weasel words begin.
I suspect what we are really witnessing is a complicated dance of feint, feint, jab, feint, uppercut in under the ribs, feint, feint, jab, feint from the silver tongued power junkies. The timing is everything – after last weeks announcement that time-lines had been extended for the draw-down to ‘ residual force’ troops from 16 months to 19 months; and that the shape of the draw-down had been significantly changed, that is most troops will be leaving in the last few months of the time frame and that the size of the residual force had been significantly increased so that up to 50,000 ‘residual forces’ will remain after August 2010, the administration copped a bit of flak from dem heavy hitters at the Thursday night briefing.
Hell even Harry Reid said “When they talk about 50,000, that’s a little higher number than I had anticipated”.
So now in a feint Obama has chosen to re-iterate a part of the SOFA, the part that Shrub also outlined for Iraqi internal, and more importantly, Iranian consumption, that all amerikan forces will be out by the end of 2011.
In both instances that section of the speech hasn’t received too much attention in the mainstream western media. The AP story on this that is all over the net and CBS and the print press leaves the part about the complete withdrawal until very late in the article, well below the fold.
It doesn’t even mention the kicker, that the complete withdrawal is dependant upon the new Iraq government’s call. Of course up much higher it does state that the initial withdrawal has been delayed to accomodate the Iraqi elections. So what you think is really going on here?
I reckon that as per usual all options are on the table. If Afghanistan and Pakistan are ‘under control’ by then there will be no pressure to grab the Iraqi ‘residual’ occupation force. In addition if amerika has succeeded in removing the taliban annoyance from it’s borders Iran may be more relaxed about a continuing Iraqi occupation. On the other hand if amerika has succeeded in really stirring up the hornet’s nest in Pakistan and further down into the sub-continent, they will need all available resources in that ‘theatre’ and the Iranians will be ropeable because the sort of firespread that is likely to happen is one that spreads into parts of Iran as well.
The Iranians will be pissed and in no mood for further compromise even if Obama re-animates Irangateman – James A Baker with a massive infusion of New Super Concentrated Geritol Special Reserve®, so they will instruct the Iraqi government not to request an extension and all the troops will go.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 27 2009 23:36 utc | 11

mr obama
please tell us about your military bases, tell us about your interests in oil, tell us something about the mercenaries, tell us what your 50,000 advisers will be doing & tell us about your emabssy in baghdad
i don’t believe you

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 27 2009 23:37 utc | 12

Articles 6 & 9 of the SOFA leave room for US airbases.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 27 2009 23:45 utc | 13

What remains to be seen is if there’ll be the alleged 50.000 US troopers left after the official withdrawal, in which case it’ll be a massive joke. If no troops remain, on the other hand, it’ll be a real withdrawal and Obama would indeed deserve some praise.
Right now, I have to say that I’m rather disappointed when I see some mentioning that troops would be left behind to do “other jobs”.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Feb 27 2009 23:59 utc | 14

there are 16 months between aug 31, and the end of 2011. Through this period of transition, we will carry out further redeployments. that leaves one year (aprox) of election season before the nov 2012 vote. my guess is that will be a very bumpy campaign if he hasn’t fullfilled his promise. it will also be very contentious if massive bloodshed brewaks out in iraq due to our departure w/the looming prospect of a gop hopeful taking the reins if all hell breaks out in iraq.
on the other hand, if things go as planned and things runs relatively smoothly, we’re out of iraq.

Posted by: annie | Feb 28 2009 0:16 utc | 15

damn i should have proofread, again.

Posted by: annie | Feb 28 2009 0:17 utc | 16

They’re probably thinking, similar residual troop levels as in Korea. Problem is the SOFA, Obama’s declaration, and the upcoming popular vote on the SOFA are setting the stage for a zero sum game where U.S. interests/influence will become progressively more irrelevant as time marches on. Military and diplomats scheduled for deployment, be advised: bring plenty of video games and movies to fill idle hours.

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 28 2009 4:08 utc | 17

Problem is the SOFA, Obama’s declaration, and the upcoming popular vote on the SOFA are setting the stage for a zero sum game where U.S. interests/influence will become progressively more irrelevant as time marches on.
as time marches on the inevitable will happen. somebody will figure out how to produce a decent alternative energy source (this will probably happen before we, mankind, figure out war in an untenable option). while we are pouring blood and treasure to secure oil regions, oil will become the rotary telephone vs skype.

Posted by: annie | Feb 28 2009 4:32 utc | 18

But does he have Israeli permission?
U.S. forces will be in Iraq even as shell shocked American troops are home shooting American rioters and looters in American cities.
Zbig and gang are working hard to open up a whole new front for the M.I.C. profit monsters.
The Afghanistan/Pakistan scam just won’t move product fast enough.
Or will enough of the disenfranchised and newly poor Americans join the army or Obama’s new free slave labor force to keep the streets calm?
Perhaps the Zionists will kick off the Iran fiasco because they just can’t go a few years without mass murdering a regional neighbour that has done nothing to them.
After one of the nukes that Israel has spread through America is set off and followed by a “Allah Akbar” note signed “love Iran” a new foreign war work program will keep America spiralling into absolute social and financial bankruptcy.
Either way America’s war will arrive in the “homeland”.

Posted by: ghost of hope | Feb 28 2009 6:36 utc | 19

1:09

Higgins: It’s simple economics. Today it’s oil, right? In ten or fifteen years, food. Plutonium. Maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the people are gonna want us to do then?
Joe Turner: Ask them?
Higgins: Not now – then! Ask ’em when they’re running out. Ask ’em when there’s no heat in their homes and they’re cold. Ask ’em when their engines stop. Ask ’em when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna know something? They won’t want us to ask ’em. They’ll just want us to get it for ’em!

You guys are forgetting, something. The other War, not in the hindu kush the quite war, the Class War. Hell, there might not even be a country called ‘America’ by 2011.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 28 2009 7:46 utc | 20

Very few commenters seem to understand that the crucial point in the speech is not the reduction to 50,000 by 2010, but the statement “And under the status of forces agreement with the Iraqi government, I intend to remove all US troops from Iraq by the end of 2011.” To my mind, that is a crystal clear commitment, very difficult to get out of, without discrediting the US, on an international level in particular.
He didn’t need to give it. He could have made a more qualified conditional statement, and that would have satisfied the rabid imperialists. In fact I expected some sort of conditionality.
So why did he give it? My guess is that it comes from his exchanges with Ryan Crocker, not from those with Maliki, and certainly not from those with the Pentagon. Crocker is highly praised in the speech. He must have been convincing. He must have explained to Obama that there’s going to be a referendum on the SOFA/Withdrawal Agreement in July, and the Iraqis could vote against it. He may also have explained that the Iraqis (Kurds excepted) are 90% against any remaining US troops, and may have reviewed the consequences of alternatives in terms of military commitment, which would have been enormous. While Obama may have been thinking, all the time of the interview, about his figures from the economic crisis.
Crocker is a good man, experienced in the Arab world. I hope the new ambassador is as experienced.
But yes, there is a good chance of a revolt. Of the telephone call from Ehud Olmert. I should think he is burning the telephone lines right now. The military revolt he addressed in the speech, though the danger is still there. In fact a revolt would be a good thing. I don’t see how such a rebellion could succeed. But its failure would set in stone a new ‘realist’ approach.

Posted by: Alex | Feb 28 2009 7:54 utc | 21

goh19) funny. they still haven’t found that sixth minot afb nuke that cheney tried to hook up with that israeli cargo ship hovering offshore louisiana, so it’s in conus, probably in cheney’s freezer. ha,ha,ha,ha. yup, 15 to 20 more years in iraq for all the lard-ass officers on centcom to get their battle-ribboned pensions, 20 and out. as far as mercs go, if you were on business in the congo, i guarantee you would want two gunners up front with you, and a light machine gun in back out the roof turret, tinted bullet-proof glass and rpg resistant side panels, and you would pay any price for it. mercs have a job to do, they’re not the same kind of mercs as in rhodesia doing death squads, that can be handled a lot cheaper by training war orphans to shoot on command. focus on the incredible 90%+ administrative overhead and profit within dod. like deep throat said, follow the money. the headlines and the politics are just a distraction. where the hell are they spending $750B a year? that’s $5,000 out of the pocket of every working american, but only $8 is spent on reconstruction. where did $10B bush promised afghanistan go to? where did the $120B emergency funding for ‘iraq, afghanistan, and other undisclosed national security purposes disappear to? the dod claims to spend $118B a year on combat troops salaries and benefits. well, there are about 350,000 active duty, that’s $3,000,000 a year in salary and benefits, know’m sayin’? the average soldier gets $2000 a month and $250 combat pay, about the same as someone on unemployment. where is the other $80B going to? the army corps of engineers pulled out of new orleans after three and a half years, and spent more than $60B approved by congress, plus unknown amounts pulled back from the overfunding for iraq and afghanistan. the entire state of louisiana real property values don’t exceed $20B. where did the other $50B go to? all the nimitz class carriers combined only cost $25B, where is the other $225B for the navy program gone to in the last ten years? rumsfeld on september 10, 2001 said dod had ‘misplaced’ $2.3T, and the next day, dod staged a coup on american soil that will never be forgotten long after Pearl is. WTF homer?

Posted by: Whiskey T. Foxtrot | Feb 28 2009 7:57 utc | 22

Let me say this as plainly as I can: by August 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end.
As we carry out this drawdown, my highest priority will be the safety and security of our troops and civilians in Iraq. We will proceed carefully, and I will consult closely with my military commanders on the ground and with the Iraqi government….As we responsibly remove our combat brigades, we will pursue the second part of our strategy: sustained diplomacy on behalf of a more peaceful and prosperous Iraq..
..Diplomacy and assistance is also required to help the millions of displaced Iraqis. These men, women and children are a living consequence of this war and a challenge to stability in the region, and they must become a part of Iraq’s reconciliation and recovery. America has a strategic interest – and a moral responsibility – to act. In the coming months, my administration will provide more assistance and take steps to increase international support for countries already hosting refugees; we’ll cooperate with others to resettle Iraqis facing great personal risk; and we will work with the Iraqi government over time to resettle refugees and displaced Iraqis within Iraq – because there are few more powerful indicators of lasting peace than displaced citizens returning home
Now, before I go any further, I want to take a moment to speak directly to the people of Iraq.
You are a great nation, rooted in the cradle of civilization. You are joined together by enduring accomplishments, and a history that connects you as surely as the two rivers carved into your land. In years past, you have persevered through tyranny and terror; through personal insecurity and sectarian violence. And instead of giving in to the forces of disunion, you stepped back from a descent into civil war, and showed a proud resilience that deserves respect.
Our nations have known difficult times together. But ours is a bond forged by shared bloodshed, and countless friendships among our people. We Americans have offered our most precious resource – our young men and women – to work with you to rebuild what was destroyed by despotism; to root out our common enemies; and to seek peace and prosperity for our children and grandchildren, and for yours…
So to the Iraqi people, let me be clear about America’s intentions. The United States pursues no claim on your territory or your resources. We respect your sovereignty and the tremendous sacrifices you have made for your country. We seek a full transition to Iraqi responsibility for the security of your country. And going forward, we can build a lasting relationship founded upon mutual interests and mutual respect as Iraq takes its rightful place in the community of nations….And going forward, the United States will pursue principled and sustained engagement with all of the nations in the region, and that will include Iran and Syria.
You [the membersw of the US military] and your families have done your duty – now a grateful nation must do ours. That is why I am increasing the number of soldiers and Marines, so that we lessen the burden on those who are serving. And that is why I have committed to expanding our system of veterans health care to serve more patients, and to provide better care in more places. We will continue building new wounded warrior facilities across America, and invest in new ways of identifying and treating the signature wounds of this war: Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and Traumatic Brain Injury, as well as other combat injuries. We will also heed the lesson of history – that those who fight in battle can form the backbone of our middle class – by implementing a 21st century GI Bill to help our veterans live their dreams.
We have learned that America must go to war with clearly defined goals, which is why I’ve ordered a review of our policy in Afghanistan. We have learned that we must always weigh the costs of action, and communicate those costs candidly to the American people, which is why I’ve put Iraq and Afghanistan into my budget. We have learned that in the 21st century, we must use all elements of American power to achieve our objectives, which is why I am committed to building our civilian national security capacity so that the burden is not continually pushed on to our military. We have learned that our political leaders must pursue the broad and bipartisan support that our national security policies depend upon, which is why I will consult with Congress and in carrying out my plans. And we have learned the importance of working closely with friends and allies, which is why we are launching a new era of engagement in the world.

b, you’re a hard man to impress.

Posted by: waldo | Feb 28 2009 8:57 utc | 23

It’s probably time to call the pentagon/military brass that would sabotage adherence to the SOFA agreement what they are – dead enders.

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 28 2009 10:19 utc | 24

This is the most deeply deluded reactionary post after a string of such posts that I don’t know where to start, or even whether it is worth expending the effort in this space anymore.

Posted by: Malooga | Feb 28 2009 10:38 utc | 25

its noteworthy that Obama’s speech does not include the the moral-superiority & paternalistic type lines we are used to hearing challenging Iraqi’s to take charge of their country & to stand-up their army & to kill the terrists and to rebuild their nation and to clean up their government and to stop killing each other …
Thank you Mr Peace-President. Heres your first star.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Feb 28 2009 10:55 utc | 26

Malooga, please don’t despair. What Obama has said is far from being what the vast majority of posters here want, however it is a quantum leap from anything we could have expected under a McCain/Palin admin or the the third term of bush the lesser.
as Alex says above, Obama stated a date when “all” troops would be out. that will be hard to back down from even though he didn’t say “read my lips”

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 28 2009 11:02 utc | 27

@waldo – what Obama said “to the people of Iraq” was a huge load of crap. If I were an Iraqi, I would be seriously enraged about it. It was of course much more targeted to comfort U.S. people’s conscience than addressing Iraqis.

Posted by: b | Feb 28 2009 13:39 utc | 28

DoS-
The view from my little sliver of fringe is that the O-man is telling the people what they want to hear as a way to buy time. This gives him two years to try and rally the country around him so that we aren’t rioting in the street.
Or gives him enough time to strengthen his forces at home to quell any unrest.
In the short term, yeah, O-man is better than fascist in cheap suits, but he has also built huge expectations for what his presidency means and hell hath no furry like a constituent burned… I expect folks like waldo to be in front of the mob holding the rope and waving the torches.
If this ugly scenario comes to pass I hope to be swimming away from it with the rest of the Malooga whales, to other, safer waters.
Government changes very little regardless of administration. Everyone of the bastards have used more of our tax dollars supporting wars and killing than they have helping the nation’s poor. Fuck them all!
When are the citizens going to realize that it doesn’t mean daddy loves them because he creeps into their beds late at night, regardless of what he’s telling them?
If the Prez can do what he claims, then I might even vote the bastard in for another four years in 2012. But I wouldn’t put any money on it.

Posted by: David | Feb 28 2009 13:39 utc | 29

Obama, being that he’s a lawyer, is likely to be twisting the language in the favor of those who have paid to put him in power, i.e., our nation’s military elites. So don’t be too shell-shocked to find out that they are twisting Obama’s arm into letting them continue to suck our treasury dry in order to continue to live free as kings, while the rest of us remain caged as paupers.

Posted by: Cynthia | Feb 28 2009 14:26 utc | 30

Sure David, that is a definite possibility. He certainly has a full plate no matter how you look at. I would caution though against target fixation. As an old biker (and even a somewhat bold biker though that is rare to be old and bold) you have to look through turns and anticipate situations before they become panic situations.
What is he doing in Africa, Central and South America, Cuba and the Caribbean? Mexico seems ready to explode and I am hearing the Canadians are going hard right especially in BC wrt to gangs and some very draconian sentencing measures as well as increasing the police state. This global crisis is very close to a boiling point and it would require only a small event to trigger a complete breakdown. Caution has to be foremost on his mind. of course caution is not what we expect because that is usually status quo so there is bound to be frustration.
listening to the radio the other morning corporate media thought it important to tell us that there have been an unprecedented number of threats on the life of Mr Obama. My own personal experience with some hardcore right wing authoritarians is that their hatred is seething, really very unhealthy. Limbaugh continues to spew his vile and hatred on the airways and our Senate just killed the Fairness Doctrine. We live in a very fragmented society and I am sure that when it goes south there will be much blood, same as in the former Republic of Yugoslavia when Serbs, Croats, Macedonians who had gone to school together, served in the military together, dated each other’s sisters found themselves cutting the throats of their previous friends/current enemies.
I am no Waldo ditto head but politics is and always has been the art of the possible.
ps, I had to wipe down my screen after reading about you swimming away with the Malooga whales…

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 28 2009 14:32 utc | 31

I’m back from coffee in the “pit of doom” which is the flyshop/bar I sometimes guide for. The owner spends far too much time watching fox and listening to limbaugh; he treats his politics like it were football-rooting for his team regardless of how dirty they play or the fact the QB is buggering him in the locker room after practice.
People who engage in party politics are stupid! When will people realize the political parties don’t give a squirt about them? When will the consumers of MSM wake-up to the fact TV personalities that proclaim themselves the voice of the people are a bunch of egotistical rich fuckers that don’t care if your kids eat?
Why do the talking heads hate it when the government sticks it to the rich? Duh, because they’re rich themselves.
Some foxhead had the nerve to ask what good would it do to take all the money from the rich, because they wouldn’t be able to then “provide” jobs. Fucking arrogant ass! Is warren buffet the only guy capable of creating a business? I guess I just need to give my last penny to the rich so they can take their cut and give me a tenth of it back…
A graph in the paper today showing the interest on the national debt being 20% of the total. Crazy, when will the middle class wake-up?
Dos, sorry about the mess :), but, if as you say, politics if the art of the possible, what’s possible? When I see McCain stickers covering the back of some mechanical heap, in fact the stickers maybe what’s holding it together, I wonder if the driver realizes how backwards his/her thinking is? (in my neck of the woods, stupidity isn’t limited to just one sex) (upon reading this graph I realized it seems odd to insert an example of a car with McCain’s old political bumper stickers into a response about the O-man, but it is to show the general stupidity of mankind, and by using such a poor example, this is but yet another example man’s stupidity. )
The owner of the flyshop was gloating about how he didn’t vote for the n’er(my edit) and I had to chime-in, like I always do, that I didn’t either, I voted for the female n’er (sometimes ya’ gotta talk the talk regardless of how you cringe inside) who had the balls to ask rumsfeld about the 2.3 trillion dollars that were missing from the pentagon budget. This usually shuts them up… but it doesn’t stop the idiots on fox business from flapping their lips, like their spittle is all that makes sense in the world.
The class war is on, has been for years now, but the people who should be fighting the fiercest are the ones marching quietly towards the pit and dragging any stragglers along with them.

Posted by: David | Feb 28 2009 16:36 utc | 32

Maybe I need to clarify?
1. I did not expect such a clear cut statement about 2011.
2. How many “residual force” 20, 40, 50,000 stay in Iraq between 2010 to 2011 is not of much relevance. The force will be too small to do anything serious and will mostly stay in some desert barracks. A retreat movement once in full flow is very, very hard to change. With 100,000 troops (and the same number of contractors) leaving, the logistics can not be turned around on short notice.
3. This for now arrested the quite dangerous “Petraeus 2012” movement Tom Ricks and others are working on.
4. The rest of speech was the usual U.S. domestic audience crap. But it gives Obama some standing with the military. The obvious revolt movement that was building in the Petraeus/Odierno ranks needs support from below. That support is now less likely to be there.
5. Iraq can only heal after the U.S. left. It is good for Iraq that finally a point has been set for that leaving.
Additionally:
I expect the Iraqis to vote against the SOFA and thereby for an earlier retreat of U.S. troops.
Had Obama not prepared the field as he has now, such a vote would have meant an immense demand within Washington to ignore it. Now, when the July vote will come down as I expect, all that’s left to say is “we are leaving already anyway.”

Posted by: b | Feb 28 2009 17:30 utc | 33

Well, that did not take long. Looks like the democrats’ Samantha Power got to deliver the good news to AIPAC too.
U.S. May Boycott U.N. Racism Conference

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 28 2009 17:44 utc | 34

i am of the minority opinion that the only way capitalism can provisionally escape the crisis is by a generalised war of one form or another. so in that sense – i think the situation is so fluid that obama will not be obliged to follow on from what he has said this week
i certainly think there is more space -marginally – for possibility than my friend malooga indicates. but if such a space exists – it is as i said marginal & could contract very quickly given changes in the international & domestic situation

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 28 2009 18:32 utc | 35

@r’giap – 35 – i am of the minority opinion that the only way capitalism can provisionally escape the crisis is by a generalised war of one form or another.
I am trending to the same opinion and that was the reason to post Ferguson in ‘There will be blood’.
But I still do not see this shaping up. Generalized war against whom? The U.S. as the center of capitalism might be looking for an enemy, but those are hard to come by these days.
You do not want to pick one that can really hurt you (Russia, China and other nuclear states). You do not want to pick one that’s too small. Beat up Haiti again? Or Somalia? Simply too small for any capitalist effect.
The only real thing to “save” the fallout of the credit bubble for the capitalists by war would be a BIG fight against a BIG power but with a decent chance to win. There is no Germany 1939 or Japan right now with a growing population and industrial capacity.
Maybe Brazil? Even that’s not big enough.
So no, a big war is not going to be the solution. Maybe a big number of small wars? Hard to sell these days …

Posted by: b | Feb 28 2009 19:11 utc | 36

& let the c-inc remember his praetorian guard entereded iraq illegally, that it has murdered at least 1million people, that 4 million people are in exile in one way or another, that the most basic services of water & electricity have never been provided & are considerably worse than they were under saddam hussein
so behind the fancy footwork before his national audience – i hope neither he or his audience forget the ignobility of their country’s actions

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 28 2009 19:17 utc | 37

iran, pakistan, africa is also a possibility – every imperialism that has preceded us imperialism was obliged into a generalised war – for me, it not only has not changed but the need for war seems the only possibility of ‘reconciling’ the crisid
i think the saleability – will be beside the point when the walls are falling in – i would have thought alliances will be the more delicate situation in that some countries will whether the tempest better than the u s can & will be less inclined – to be coalitions of the willing
& it seems to me the international situation is very, very fluid – that things can change very, very quickly & indeed if they are to be consistent the will be no long term thinking – & their priority has clearly to be to stop any internal conflicts from flowering – neither the internal or international situation is so clear that we can forbid these thoughts from our thinking

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 28 2009 19:31 utc | 38

@b-36 You do not want to pick one that can really hurt you (Russia, China and other nuclear states). You do not want to pick one that’s too small. Beat up Haiti again? Or Somalia? Simply too small for any capitalist effect.
The 2nd world war, which came as a result of the great depression, was not started as a ‘project’ or a ‘capitalist conspiracy’. It came about as a result of fascism taking over Europe. And fascism mushroomed as a result of a prolonged depression. This did not take place a week or a month after the 1929 crash. And no one sold war as a way out of the crises. It just happened this way.
The ‘capitalists’ do not control all the events in the world, rather it is the objective conditions that play themselves out, and even control the capitalists. And that will happen this time too. For example, there is a big danger right now of fascism taking over eastern Europe, esp if they are not bailed out, or if the bailouts fail. Similarly in the smaller economies of western Europe, Spain, Greece etc this danger has a non-zero probability. If the current crises gets further out of hand, it can even result of the un-raveling of the beast itself, with states declaring sovereignty and Washington ending up like the Kremlin in 1991. Or Islamic-fascists taking over large parts of the Muslim world.
When such apocalyptic events take place you can never discount the possibility of large conflagrations springing up and eventually leading to destruction on a global scale. No one has the capacity to plan such great events. They take place because they are necessitated by circumstances. Germany did not pick a fight with Britain (an equal power) so that the US can put its un-employed population to work as soldiers, and get out of the crises as the winner.
I guess what I am trying to say is that there is a strong possibility of big wars taking place if the crises gets completely out of hand, not because someone would plan them as a way out (the ultimate bailout!), rather as inevitable consequence.
What our job should be is to be alert to all such inevitabilities, and try to point a way that saves the world from massive destruction.

Posted by: a | Feb 28 2009 20:08 utc | 39

Well, this is interesting. First, b claims permanent rearmament is not a stimulus, but now claims some “generalized war” is needed as an instrument of stimulus. Confusion.
Government spending is a stimulus. The question is: what kind of stimulus is permanent armament?
This is the matter of considerable debate. Among the contradictions are that the resulting commodities (arms) are not wage goods, of course, and therefore do nothing to lower the value of labor-power. But, workers are taxed to pay for the arms industry, and so accumulation is made possible in armaments, raw materials used, etc., but at the expense of the production of wage and investment goods.
That is to say, permanent armament is good for accumulation in some sectors of the economy (what the marxists used to call departments I and III), but not so great for workers. And, in the long run, because of the high ratio of fixed costs to variable costs, the rate of profit tends to decline.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 28 2009 20:59 utc | 40

Democratic boilerplate.
It is quite likely that McCain would have had a similar plan of ‘withdrawal’ dressed up in different discourse. Rather than ‘withdrawal’ – draw down, Iraqi responsibility, etc. as pointed out.
McC said “the war could be won” by 2013 :
“McCain said only a small contingent of troops, in non-combat roles, would remain in Iraq five years from now.. the United States maintains a military presence” in Iraq, “but a much smaller one, and it does not play a direct combat role.” wapo, may 08
McC: “The Iraq war has been won. Iraq is a functioning democracy, although still suffering from the lingering effects of decades of tyranny and centuries of sectarian tension.” guardian, may 08. Similar to Obama…
He now supports Obama on this point. wa po
Before May 08 his spiel was different. I recall some lunacy about a 100 years war.
These pols speak to their base, wrap it up in different packages with rough string or pink ribbon, real politik on the ground they basically agree on.
The positions they espouse are cynically calculated (they have teams of experts gauging public opinion) – that’s the conventional view.
In fact, it is the other way about, they shape opinion together, then seem to espouse one or the other view.
They can change their opinion any time, as their public, whoever that is, will fall in, cheer, agree. Talk of of a war won or ours is a bond forged by shared bloodshed (Obama speech) will both do the trick.

Posted by: Tangerine | Feb 28 2009 21:11 utc | 41

Also, whether this crisis, at the ass-end of one of those long waves of expansion, must end in war, greatly depends on the status of global capitalist class solidarity. And it seems this class is quite united to avert conflict in order to defend the resumption of growth (just look at how united this class is in defeating islamic militancy, for ex.). That’s why the idea that the sovereign wealth funds must be saved, is interesting.
Of course, a return to intensive trade war needed to purchase worker legitimation of the socialization of losses, can unravel this capitalist class unanimity.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 28 2009 21:15 utc | 42

An addendum to the permanent armament thing. It is by no means necessary that a big war occur to annihilate the goods produced by this industry. Designed obsolescence works too.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 28 2009 21:19 utc | 43

b@33. I expect the Iraqis to vote against the SOFA and thereby for an earlier retreat of U.S. troops.
Had Obama not prepared the field as he has now, such a vote would have meant an immense demand within Washington to ignore it. Now, when the July vote will come down as I expect, all that’s left to say is “we are leaving already anyway.”

A good thought, b.
However, I haven’t heard any political rumours coming out of Iraq about that. A movement in that direction may yet develop; there is time.
Maliki is spending his time consolidating the position, and presenting Iraq as a going state. The opening of the museum was part of that. According to reports, it was forced against the opinion of the archaeologists, and involved a change of director. Personally, I don’t see too much danger. I doubt that the museum will be plundered again. The museum is much more a symbol of Iraqi identity now than it ever was before, and the sales of plundered objects from 2003 haven’t been very good.
I did say the position, and not his personal position. No doubt, he is personally more ambitious than he was before, when he was just a puppet of the Green Zone. But it would be better to describe him as having found a mission, one which works.
Make no doubt about it, the manoeuvres to get the US to sign the SOFA/Withdrawal Agreement last year were a deliberate offensive to get rid of the US, evidently not a military one, which could not succeed, but a political one, which could. And the result has been declared in Obama’s commitment.
Now we are in the consolidation phase. Iraq has to be presented as a functional, peaceful, state, in order to avoid the US militarists succeeding in their argument that the US needs to stay.
So I am not sure that Iraqi politicians would want to throw things up in the air again by a demand for immediate withdrawal. There are also ongoing questions of internal disagreements, and the question of the Kurds. All that might be better resolved, when Maliki has had more time to strengthen the position of the Baghdad government.
So I have my doubts that Iraqis will be encouraged to vote against the SOFA/Withdrawal Agreement. It may be that emotion will be too strong. But to the extent that the Shi’a vote is decided by Najaf, I would say that Najaf would prefer a peaceful transition, even if it is slower.

Posted by: Alex | Feb 28 2009 21:24 utc | 44

a
i think all wars are imperial in one way or another. the 2nd was no exception. & i think wars especially generalised wars are introduced to our species as much from incompetence as intent
but i want to make one small point there was a whole population who desired for michael cimino to create his pornographic ‘the deer hunter’ as a means of forgetting the murder of over 4 million indochinese – the cruel & utterly usesless imperial enterprise. that an imperial enterprise fails does not make it any less imperial in intent. forgetting ought to be forbidden & at the minimum no sob stories from the perpetrators
what was the failed project of the new american century than yet another retelling of the imperial intent as vulgar as the monroe doctrine
dennis ross is every bit as psychotic as john bolton. he believes in the dominance of empire in exactly the same way as bolton – an administration that allows fools such as these to determine their policies – & let us not forget – these administration & this administration is packed with them – war happens because you are too stupid to choose a more sophisticated path of inter power rivalry
a war will arrive as much from stupidity as from systems – a puppet as venal as king hussein was humbled by this fact before the first gulf war

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 28 2009 22:55 utc | 45

Apologies. I suppose b was not defending here war as stimulus, just that war must be somehow a conclusion of crisis. I offered a way to explain why that has almost nothing to do with the now moribund “empire” thesis.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 28 2009 23:06 utc | 46

Past week I’ve have been reconsidering the empire’s recent history in the ME from a somewhat longer perspective than we tend to do as we react and are buffeted by each new development in the region and the announcements about that development.
I meant what I said above about James Baker’s Geritol because virtually everything that has happened in Iraq since late 2006 has been a direct result of Baker’s old school rethug special report Iraq Study Group.
The group’s findings have been implemented pretty much in toto in case anyone has forgotten here is how wiki describes them:
Although the final report was not released until December 6, 2006, media reports ahead of that date described some possible recommendations by the panel. Among them were the beginning of a phased withdrawal of US combat forces from Iraq and direct US dialogue with Syria and Iran over Iraq and the Middle East. The Iraq Study Group also found that the Pentagon has under reported significantly the extent of the violence in Iraq and that officials have obtained little information regarding the source of these attacks. The group further described the situation in Afghanistan as so disastrous that they may need to divert troops from Iraq in order to help stabilize the country.
Robert Gates who was foisted upon shrub by the old school rethugs who demanded Rumsfield’s ouster,was a founding member of Bakers Iraq study group when it was convened in April 2006 then Gates was appointed as Secretary of Defence during the course of the study groups term and then made some sort of history by continuing on as Sec Def in the ‘new’ Obama administration .
I suggest that the rumours repeated in Wiki that the group had much internal dissension and that many of it’s findings were never implemented were smoke, a way to cover the reality that even as prez shrub needed daddy and his mates to bail him out.
The trade off for the Dems was of course that if they went along with the ISG’s report when they took office since in late 06 early 07 it was clear that no rethug could win a dog show much less the ultimate beauty contest of 08, the new prez would get a relatively easy ride as long as shrub wasn’t impeached or any of that nasty shit.
The two parties had truly become one apart from the diversion policies such as gay marriage, stem cell research and the rest of the values issues that pols use to distract voters with.
So if the ISG has been completely implemented that also means that despite all sorts of statements to the contrary amerika has sat down and nutted out a treaty with Iran, probably not a permanent treaty but definitely an agreement negotiated at a senior level that contains a range of specific deals.
Although we pooh-poohed the notion here in MoA at the time it seems highly likely that Iran had increased pressure on amerika by supplying Moqtada el-Sadr with a more sophisticated, more reliable and ready made shaped charge model of IED and put Mockie up to attacking amerikan troop transports at a time when logic would normally have dictated that the Shia militia’s primary enemy was the Sunni militias.
It was that substantial increase in amerikan casualties from ieds at a time when shrub was attempting to minimise contacts to prevent amerikan casualties (remember Cindy Sheehan’s star was high thru 2006) which worried the rethugs more than the million plus Iraqi dead.
That Iran deal must specifically agree to leave Palestine out of the picture, an arrangement which makes it in both parties best interests not to publicise the arrangement.
Amerika wants the agreement kept quiet to shut up the likes of Daniel Pipes and the rest of the neo-zi’s, and Iran is staying schtum because talking with amerika and not reaching any understanding on apartheid israel leaves a big chunk of Iran’s regional policy looking pretty stink.
Equally likely is the nuclear issue also having been deliberately left off the table. Doubtless, as with Palestine that putting the issue to one side is on the basis of both parties keeping everything ‘within certain limits’ ie Iran doesn’t test a nuke and amerika actively discourages israel from anything precipitate in regard to attacking Iran.
Even so, in light of all the other times when Iran has delivered for amerika only to find the arrangement never gets reciprocated, Iran has pressured various amerikan leaders, especially the new prez, into loudly promising that amerika needs to sit down and talk with Iran at some unspecified date, so that when it happens (or so the Iranian’s hope) it won’t seem too off the wall in amerika to media or to the voters.
But even after all that has happened, specifically Iran getting Moquie to pull back and persuading the shia brigades to ‘get along’ with each other leaving amerika to sort out the Sunnis with money and favours, it is highly likely that amerika considers this Iranian deal a temporary arrangement, one that will eventually become irrelevant, hopefully leaving amerika free to keep mobs of Iranians on terror watch lists and with sanctions still in place.
Enter Afghanistan. Why was Obama become so insistent as his candidature became more certain, that the Afghani conflict gets ramped right up? Odd stance for a bloke claiming to be a prince of peace. Because Iran is getting fuck all concessions anywhere else, you’d hafta think the whole afghani surge is a sop to them. Probably the issue that Iran raised when the ISG first approached them with an offer. Sure in the short term holding Afghanistan provides amerika with a certain strategic advantage, but really as was amply demonstrated during the discussions on amerika’s supply lines into the conflict zone, Afghanistan is an island in a sea of sharks for amerika. The area is no good unless at least some of the neighbours are onside. Maybe amerika is doing a favour for someone else here? A sign of good faith? The Iranians have always loathed the Taliban so getting amerika to clean them out is one of the few immediate pluses they can take in return for allowing amerika to enjoy a quieter Iraq.
Of course the Iranians are in the box seat. Whatever government is foisted on Iraqis, Iran will have more pull than the amerikans, which is prolly why amerika is trying to put Karzai on the skids, remember he has good friends in Iran too. amerika needs someone on the ground that owes more to them than he she does to Iran. When Karzai was just being mayor of Kabul which was all that the initial amerikan strategy had planned for him, he was easy to control, but Karzai is nothing if not a a bloke with big pretensions, so after 7 years of playing international statesman on amerika’s dime while stitching up deals back home with the warlords especially Iran’s friends in the Northern Alliance, Karzai has become too big for amerika to control. The amerikans are desperate to rid themselves of Karzai, so that when the amerika/Iran deal finally becomes unglued Afghanistan will be controlled by their man not Teheran’s bloke.
Maybe they will pull that off, but if they do, it won’t change much because as long as the gig goes to an Afghani, that leader is always going to come to the conclusion as Karzai did, that the only way to stay in power long term without Pushtu support, is with the support of the Iranian aligned groups in the North.
However none of this suits the empire’s long term interests.
Even though the smart money would go “OK Iran is the regional power, they are feeling generous to us at the moment because we rid them of their two biggest annoyances (Saddam and the Taliban) and set the game up for Iran’s proxies to control Iraq and Afghanistan, so we need to kiss and make up publicly”. That scene will never happen as eminently reasonable as it may seem to Parviz and co.
Firstly the zionists in amerika and apartheid israel would never allow it, because israel has been operating for decades on the assumption that they are always gonna be amerika’s best friend in the region, and a resurgent Iran surrounded by satellite ‘buffer’ states on good terms with europe and amerika, would out trump israel at any forum.
Hell the zionists may even get cornered so badly that they have to pretend to get serious about the two state ‘solution’ ploy and actually stop west bank development. To most zionists that is tantamount to surrender so they aren’t going to let amerika and Iran become new good buddies as long as they can stop it.
Secondly amerika’s old good friend Arab states, especially the gulf states whose oil is just about tapped out, would absolutely shit themselves at the thought of a resurgent Iran, because as pragmatic as the deal may initially seem, and it would initially be extremely pragmatic regarding Sunni states and Palestine the amerikans would insist on that, the elephant in the room that no one discusses, is that even Iran under the mullahs is more democratic than the gulf states or israel. As such the Iranian government is subject to public opinion and once ordinary peeps in Iran got over the heady business of buying cheap ipods or whatever it is they seem to be longing for, people would start considering issues like the fact that the shite underclass throughout the Arab world is totally oppressed, that Palestinians are still really copping the rough end of the pineapple.
Eventually those opinions would force the most pragmatic Iranian government that still needed to win elections into taking a stance on them contrary to any secret agreement with amerika. A stance that would pressure the gulf states and pressure israel into position that both blocs regard as inconceivable.
But even if the amerikan administration could ignore the intense pressure from lobbyists to keep Iran on the shit list, which it could since these issues are really just convenient excuses to conceal the ugly reality, that reality is something that cannot be tolerated. And that reality is that an independent and strong Iran such as the one that would develop in those circumstances, cannot be bludgeoned into selling off its resources cheap.
If you think about it, the ability to get energy and mineral resources from all over the world at lower prices than others pay, is about all amerika has left, and even that’s hanging by a thread.
All the manufacturing technology has gone, the financial structure is seriously weakened but amerikan business can still keep an edge because the amerikan government can still ‘lean on’ any little nigger state that gets uppity and wants a fair price for it’s products. amerika’s competitive advantage comes outta the barrel of a gun, negating that advantage by treating Iran on even terms would be suicidal. The true end of empire.
That is how I see the reality behind the conflicting statements emanating from DC at the moment and we can be happy if less humans get killed by the empire’s greed for as long as that lasts. As long as less people are being killed, and that is something I am unsure of, lots of people are still dying in Iraq every day not only because the invasion has torn apart the social fabric, there are still Iraqis actively and violently resisting the invaders. More importantly any downswing in Iraqi casualties has been accompanied by an upswing in death and injury in Afghanistan and Pakistan, along with that other horror, population displacement as entire clans flee the drones and rockets targeting their villages.
Of course greatest pause on whether peace is celebrated should be given to the reality that the relative quiet may presage a much larger loss of life when the amerikan empire and it’s preferred asslickers decides it must re-conquer Iran and it’s allies.
That will be the generalised war that others have discussed and whatever the short term result, long term it will go the way of all such invasive wars that offer little or no scope for colonisation, only occupation, that is the invaders’ loss. The end of whitefella domination of the planet.
It is always worth working towards a more peaceful way to end that domination but the combination of the BushCo strategic disaster with the collapse of whitefella economic infrastructure makes that a fucking hard row to hoe.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 28 2009 23:36 utc | 47

Ten years into the Depression and Roosevelt still didn’t think the American people would go to war in Europe, so he had to wait for (or arrange that) the Japanese decided they had to attack Pearl Harbor.
In the next few years, problems at home will be more pressing to Americans than running off to fight a war against the infidels.
On the other hand, I keep hearing about Mexican drug rings — with their nefarious kidnappings, murders and political corruption –spilling over the border and threatening the decent citizens of Phoenix. Maybe that’s where to look for our next war — south of the border.

Posted by: seneca | Feb 28 2009 23:48 utc | 48

Still pining for the collapse of “empire” even as the Iraq war appears to be ever so tenuously suspended by the possibility of political reconciliation there. As I said here 5 years ago, the US will have it’s cake and eat it too.
And thanks to the growing durable cooperation from the emerging capitalist powers, the Pashtun will likely be defeated in posing any threat to resource extraction in central asia.
It’s a curious empire you have there, debs. It’s membership seems to expand daily, even while you say it is in a state of irretrievable collapse.
Btw. Your analysis of mumbai turned out to be laughably incorrect. Predictably wrong guided as it was by your USuk paradigm.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 28 2009 23:57 utc | 49

Well, it’s good to see both of your thinking (b, r’giap) on this. Perhaps I’ve over-reacted, but this is still the blog I consider “home” and I was getting tired of logging on here and always reading about the latest inane pronouncements of neo-liberal writers and neo-liberal leaders, and feeling that I have to waste my time reacting to their idiocies, and those of their hepped-up sycophants/psycophants, or go to bed angry.
I’d rather spend more time reading about how our most radical thinkers are analyzing the rapidly evolving world situation, than hear what a twit of a salesman like Ferguson or Obama (yes, I meant that) is peddling today. Chris Floyd’s current post is far more enlightening than anything Ferguson has to say. The same with this post from Catherine Austin Fitts.
The past few days, I’ve been enjoying Radical Notes’ interview with critical pedagogist Peter McLaren, among other insightful articles, and I have three major articles I am working on writing, numerous personal stressors, etc.
I do not see the world from the top down perspective that you invariably take, b. Perhaps that is the crux of the problem. I see the world as composed of organized systems of oppression and counter-movements of democratic resistance. Within this interplay, the means of production and finance shifts between centralization and localization.
It is true that the so-called “Free World” is no less centrally planned and managed by committee than was the former Soviet Union — the only difference being that the ‘five-year’ plans are no longer made public. And, similarly, it is true that the leaders of Nations either serve as effective salesmen for the cause, or are unceremoniously disposed of by scandal or “accident” — their public capital spent. Obama has made no change which was not clearly and publicly — in writing — signaled under Bush, just as all the restrictions on our freedom that Bush pushed through were developed and authored under Clinton. Despite stylistic and thematic differences, a vast underlying continuity persists between Imperial regimes. However, it is also true, and far more important, that over-focusing upon the top of the predator pyramid is bound to mislead us — just as focusing on the behavior of the “Malooga whales” 😉 will not reveal a coming population collapse, while studying the health of their prey chain will. The constant reaction to the daily spectacle of the news cycle as a “theatre of world leaders,” “a soap opera of the rich and powerful,” prevents a deeper analysis of both the human costs, and the tactics/success of the resistance — something which I, for one, care far more about.
Too many here maintain personal attachments to their own fragile “asset bubbles” to forcefully advocate for the universal right to stable shelter, healthcare, food, water, air, retirement, meaningful personal development and meaningful production for ALL world-wide. Despite their outrage, they cling ever tighter to their precarious position on the ladder as the very legs are cut out from under them. If I hear one more tirade from a “liberal” friend about how the underclass is “lazy” and doesn’t show the same interest in climbing the capitalist ladder that they do, I will phreak.
(cont.)

Posted by: Malooga | Mar 1 2009 0:06 utc | 50

(cont.)
A Marxist friend of mine uses an agricultural metaphor which I find particularly apt for our current situation: International Capitalists raise up a crop of asset-bearing populations, and then when conditions ripen, they harvest the assets. We are now well into the harvest stage of the production cycle upon an unprecedented bountiful global crop. The Autumn glow — the thrill of the harvest — plays lambently in the eyes of Obama, Bernanke, and Geither. International Harvester is hard at work.
In harvesting these assets, invariably many “plants” — that is, human bearers of assets — are killed. Yet, what is the difference between being killed by missle, sharpshooter, phosporus, cancer, or “Grapes of Wrath” style deracination and slow starvation? There are many techniques to harvesting, but only one ultimate result. Yet, there is nothing particularly progressive about chasing the ambulance to crow about the deaths if one is then too busy to support and cover the resistance to the slaughter. Tepid calls for belated partial reform is like the cattle organizing for a sharper knive on their way to the gallows: they are ignorant and passive to the true nature of their death march. The Harvest itself, and its pathogenic nature, becomes hidden behind an impenetrable fact-set of debateable technicalities.
My liberal roommate mentioned the other day that she had bumped into a serviceman who had just returned from Fallujah, and who had reported to her that his entire battalion had only fired a total of 100 bullets during their six-month deployment. When I recited the Hitlerian, genocidal casualty rates suffered by Iraqis over the past twenty years of US intervention, including the Guernican treatment of Fallujah and its Orwellian bio-id gate system, and that finally the counter-insurgency had — at least temporarily — vanquished the resistance, she replied that I was just too negative and that I could not be happy that the Iraqis were now doing well. I replied that by 1891, after Wounded Knee, the Western Cavalry reported the same improvement of conditions; it did not mean a better life for the Plains Indians — it meant the death of a many thousands-year old civilization and the integral means of production, living culture, reverance for the land and worship which comprised it. Despite hundreds of posts over the past seven years on liberal blogs that the US’s tactics were not working, it appears that international capital has successfully destroyed the intricate web of the Iraqi agricultural production system and is now slowly penetrating its markets, leading to hugely divergent outcomes: Unseemly wealth and corruption for the few and vast poverty and corruption for the many. Only those suffering the deepest level of denial, and moral degradation — as Obama publicly is — could celebrate the resultant Ghost Dance of the disposessed returning to witness the destruction of their former communities, and call it progress in the “fight for freedom.” Imagine if Hitler had survived the War and said that of the Jewish survivors who were freed of the concentration camps and allowed to return to their now ethnically-cleansed neighborhoods and find strangers living in their former houses. The liberal celebration of America’s benificence in perpetrating this continuing unfolding series of war crimes sickens me. Yet, when the Lakota rise up and declare their own nation, their independence, it goes almost unnoticed and unremarked upon the world stage by those same “caring” liberals.
War is not a necessary precondition for the harvest to take place: The Soviet Union was harvested without war, leading to a precipitous fifteen year drop in life expectancy and a lost generation of sex trafficers and abductees. It doesn’t matter if Obama leads the Light Brigade to the next Iraq or not; the first devastating economic frost has hit the nations of the world hard as a fait accompli (the apportionment of blame clouded by the “leaderless” interregnum) — and the quicker the assets are harvested upwards, the better for the Masters of the Universe.
A mere handful of people and several almost unnoticed regulatory “reforms” have devastated life for over 300,000 denizens of Iceland. They are free to overthrow their government in frustration, but until they string up those responsible and default on their debts to the British bankers their situation, too, is a fait accompli, a bloodless murder, a crimeless victim. Who can actually withdraw from the global system of world trade, a financial system of debt and penury enforced upon the world by the very few? Too much is needed from abroad, modern industrialized life is absolutely dependent upon foreign inputs for its level of sustenence. So the people of Iceland will be sucked dry of their assets by International Harvester. Baring a global uprising, “there is no alternative,” as Maggie Thatcher used to delight in saying.
Obama decries the US’s reliance on foreign inputs of hydrocarbons as a threat to its “way of life,” but Iraq’s newly necessary utter dependence on US wheat is seen as a healthy example of “Free Trade.” By such double standards are the bloodless and silent weapons of trade and finance deployed against victim populations with the support of complicit liberals who staff and profit from the NGOs which enforce the legally-defined procedures of liberal intervention and liberal aid. These are the sinister and deadly gears of International Peace (a division of International Harvester) which inexorably grind the dependent to death.
Yet, the willfully ignorant, who ignore this system of bloodless vampirism as deadly as any neutron bomb, or any sustained military campaign — perfected by the Chicago Boys, of which the brilliant Obama was a professor for, and a paid promoter of, a shill in the global carnival — can continue to happily cheerlead a devastation sweeping the planet unparalleled in global scope, despite no apparent diminuition in the ability of the planet to meet the basic needs of its inhabitants. “You see,” they swoon, “Obama is moving troops out of Iraq!” Yet, the global regime, fronted by Obama, ignores people’s needs in favor of the dictates of capital and the gluttony amassed by the “amoral” (according to Soros) impersonal operators of the system, the Eichmans of the financal levers at International Harvester. And the manager who ensures the smooth progression of the heartless harvest is publicly lauded: Our new “Peace President.” Thereby, does one field lay fallow to recuperate, while across the farm another field is plowed.
There will be no World War, but, once harvested of assets, the world will enter a “lost decade,” a winter of quiescence, similar to that Japan has endured while the next crop of public assets is planted and grown. Under the unspoken rules of International Harvester, this year’s victims profitably become next year’s compost. Hooray for “Peace.” Hooray for our new “Peace President.” Orwell was right.

Posted by: Malooga | Mar 1 2009 0:08 utc | 51

we know that those who rule from the roll of dollars have no sense of proportion
it is one thing to ‘forget’ the mountains of cadavers that imperial projects have laid waste & it is another & continuin level of depravity to blame the poor
& it is as true here malooga as in the belly of the beast
stripped of being ‘experts’ by the velocity of events they have sufficient breath to lay the blame on the poor & the marginalised
slothrop speaks of having their cake & eating it too
& only in a world as depraved as our can an illegal invasion by an imperial power that tears a country apart can be blamed on the people of the nation invaded
this world is immeasurably more sick than i am

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 1 2009 0:18 utc | 52

even as the Iraq war appears to be ever so tenuously suspended by the possibility of political reconciliation there. As I said here 5 years ago, the US will have it’s cake and eat it too.
appears to be..the possibility of reconciliation…cake? oy ve, checked out badger lately?
Post-election sectarian logic causing fear of renewed violence

….Zaid Al-Zubaidi writes in AlAkhbar about anxiety on the streets of Baghdad and other Iraqi cities over the security implications of the latest political development: namely Maliki’s apparent move to ally with the Sadr trend in substitution for his prior alliance with the Supreme Council. Many have concluded that this means the return on the Mahdi Army, and already the result in some Sunni areas (writes Zubaidi) appears to be that non-takfiiri resistance groups have made alliances with AlQaeda affiliates to join ranks against the threat of sectarian attacks.
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‘Those announcements [about arrests of small groups of rogue officers] have practically no meaning at all compared with the announcement by the Interior Ministry a few days ago [Monday Feb 16] about the firing of 62,000 of its employees for connections with corruption, abuse of power, and associations with militias. That kind of a number illustrates the extent of the government’s involvement in all of the violent sectarian operations in [Iraq] during the time of the occupation’.

while you are @ badger’s scroll down the home page to:
Some say the American/Iraqi secret-informant network is to be disbanded (UPDATED)
Qatari paper AlArab quotes sources who say the Maliki administration is preparing to disband the network of secret informants that was set up by the Americans right after the invasion, and that has been responsible for the assassination and unjust imprisonment of thousands of Iraqis, based on material and sectarian motives of the informants, described as the dregs of society. But at least one Iraqi politician wonders whether management of these people has in fact been turned over to the Iraqi government, or whether it is still run by the Americans.
i think it will be a very long time comin’ til america is eating cake over iraq.

Posted by: annie | Mar 1 2009 1:22 utc | 53

nyt linked to RTI’s Men-in-black are back
wtf have i been smokin.

Posted by: annie | Mar 1 2009 1:33 utc | 54

Malooga just persists in the argument that Obama is an extension of the imperial depravity. Time will tell; but there is some chance at least that the president is slowly reworking the environment, the political environment, with a view to withdrawing from Iraq. There will be a lot of resistance from the Generals. But the president keeps reiterating his goal of complete withdrawal. This reinforces his campaign promise; and we will see whether he is serious about this.
I find there is hardly a moment when this president speaks in public, that does not prove his superiority as a human being and a rational person, when compared to what went before. There is no call for the catastrophist viewpoint that some critics here project upon Obama; and I will be surprised if the critics will let up on this negativity, even if the man is capable of making some modest gains or is able to scale back the excesses of the recent past.
Don’t worry b, about the criticism; I very much like you as a realist.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 1 2009 1:44 utc | 55

Malooga-
Thanks, your writing is insightful and interesting to read.
I enjoy the “international Harvester” allusion, very fitting symbol for these modern times. Or at least I think so.
These are strange days we live-in, kind of reminds me of the Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times. I guess I finally got what I wished for.
It is difficult in these days of hopelessness to find rays of light that illuminate ourselves and warm one’s blood. It does seem the world is going to hell in a handbasket and very few are enjoying the ride.
It has been an odd few months reading the post here at MoA and I have little doubt it will take me awhile to digest, and figure-out, how this place has/is changing me. It is too easy to keep old, dusty beliefs laying around in my head when I don’t have anyone getting in there to look around. But when I start writing and thinking about what it is I believe, I find many of those beliefs are old and worn, practically useless to me now, and needing to be removed.
How is one to know what one believes unless one is willing to look inside and answer that for him/herself?
Somewhere in my brain I’d like to finally be able to mesh my socialist leanings of helping my fellow man with my strong belief in self-determination and my dislike of rules. Ugh, it would be easier to live on an island with automations to service my needs. As the leo in me likes to rage, “Damn it would be easier if everyone would just do as I say!” (I only say this on the inside, as I know it make me sound republican…)
Electing O-man was on the face a wonderful statement about america, but unfortunately I feel it is hollow of any substance. Many of the people who support the O-man are the same freaks who supported the type of policies Clinton (bill) was all for, like NAFTA and corporate give-aways; they just wanted to be the ones on the receiving end of the free money rather than republicans.
The O-man is also the perfect foil to play upon all the closet racist tendencies of us caucasians who would never admit to looking down on “colored” people. I could go on and on about this, but suffice it to say most humans are racist to some degree about anyone “different.” O-man’s election (selection) was/is a cunning way to pervert this so that people are less inclined to ask hard questions because they don’t want to appear racist by questioning a “black” man.
Also since the O-man replaced what has to be the most horrible government any first-world nation has suffered during the past fifty or more years, I’d expect him to step-up to the plate and make some BIG changes quickly while his mandate was strongest. But he hasn’t. And his supporters don’t want to admit they bought a lemon, because there were no other choices for them to make. People are too scared to take chances on third party candidates or things may have been a bit different (at least the dreamer in me thinks so.) (I want to go on a rant about america needing more voices heard in government. Time to consider a parliament?)
So while the liberal-label wearing folks are glad-handing and back-slapping each other congratulating themselves for electing themselves a perpetually tan president, business is quickly getting back to the usual; wars, misdeeds and malfeasance in high places.
Why is everyone excusing this with the statement, “we need to move slow because…” When in reality everything points to this government needing to move very quickly; very quickly indeed to try and salvage some piece of the American Dream from the jaws of the international financiers. Do people who want the O-man to move slow, do so only because they want time to loot something for themself?
Americans have become dangerous whack-jobs when it comes to reason, logic or politics. Most of us are greedy, self-centered babies that want to suckle at power’s breast from cradle to grave and push anyone else trying suckle away. There was a time I had hope for 2012 and the Mayan prophecy coming to pass, but I got this friggin’ long lifeline on my hand that says I should be kickin’ on the surface for quite awhile past Dec 21, 2012, and I’d like to be living all those years somewhere other than a police state.

Posted by: David | Mar 1 2009 1:47 utc | 56

I guess the “M” in Malooga stands for Manifesto, and the beauty of M’s “World Run by a Secret Soviet” is that anything is possible in M’s dialectic, anything can be attributed to the Secret Harvesters. Was the sun late coming up today, see, it’s ‘The International’, uh, not that one, the secret one. and every paragraph lacking Carbon Cap & Trade is “proof” of global complicity to starve the prol’s, or something, somewhere, bad. That’s the lack of rigor of M’s Manifesto, it’s always “something we have to do”, “something they did” never quite clear, and everyone in power is always complicitly starving everyone not in power, and the pyramid world will never be right until we knock it all down and all have the same sleeping bags and cardboard boxes.

Posted by: Prah Noia | Mar 1 2009 8:16 utc | 57

When reading between the lines, Obama’s speeches, while sounding different to Bush’s, at the end express the same imperialist convictions as those of his hegemonic predecessors. It is neither his desire for peace nor his vision for a prosperous Iraq that led him to call for the withdrawal of troops, but drastic financial restraints and the certain knowledge that Iraq is a lost cause, militarily and in terms of Iraqi hearts and minds. Let’s look at some other passages in that speech:

We have also taken into account the simple reality that America can no longer afford to see Iraq in isolation from other priorities

That’s right, his administration can’t afford to keep dishing out billions for the Iraq fiasco to continue indefinitely, there are bigger fish to fry. A trillion dollars in six years is a lot of cash, 12 zeros in it, about $3000 per US citizen. But now the fountain has run dry – you’d think. And yet, Obama will ask Congress for 200 Billion to splurge on fighting the war in Afghanistan over the next 18 months.

Under tough circumstances, the men and women of the United States military have served with honour, and succeeded beyond any expectation.

Obama talks of success and how the troops performed beyond expectations. My arse. The troops killed monstrous numbers of innocent people while mindlessly executing orders from egomaniacs bend on world domination. What success indeed, leaving behind, apart from a million graves, a country that is now controlled by a horde of corrupt and spineless clowns owing their political existence largely to the goodwill of their US and Iranian masters. Iraq is not a nation at peace as Obama wants us to believe it is, far from it. Its infrastructure is in many parts still in much worse condition than what it was pre invasion, as Annie linked to above militias are re-emerging, IED’s and enemy fire killing Iraqi police, soldiers and innocent bystanders almost daily. The nation is predictably fractured and I fear will be a victim of bloody infighting for years to come. If in Obama’s opinion this tragic outcome is due to US troops performing beyond expectations, then I’d be curios to know what he thinks the expectations were.
Obama announcing the withdrawal of all US forces must indeed by feeling like good news for the people in occupied Iraq, but as B wrote, for the people of Pakistan this development might spell doom.

we face the challenge of refocusing on Afghanistan and Pakistan; […] and these are challenges that we will meet.

I feel sorry for the people living in those nations, the US military focusing on you is shorthand for there will be plenty of bombing raids and jack boots through the door at 3 am.

You and your families have done your duty – now a grateful nation must do ours. That is why I am increasing the number of soldiers and marines, so that we lessen the burden on those who are serving.

Great, the president who fancies himself as a man of peace reckons what the US needs is more soldiers. The world is quivering in anticipation.

And as long as I am your commander-in-chief, I promise you that I will only send you into harm’s way when it is absolutely necessary

George Bush would have said the same.

the United States of America – a nation that exists only because free men and women have bled for it from the beaches of Normandy to the deserts of Anbar; from the mountains of Korea to the streets of Kandahar.

What a warped view. Does Obama really believe that the USA would no longer exist if US troops wouldn’t have fought in Iraq, Korea and Afghanistan? Ridiculous.

Diplomacy and assistance is also required to help the millions of displaced Iraqis. These men, women and children are a living consequence of this war and a challenge to stability in the region, and they must become a part of Iraq’s reconciliation and recovery. America has a strategic interest – and a moral responsibility – to act.

This statement was about the only part that genuinely impressed me, and I will try to keep an eye on how much of this rhetoric translates into real improvements on the ground.
To sum up, Obama’s speech was nothing to write home about, no announcement of a much needed reduction in military spending, no sign of a man aware of the negative fall-out US imperial policies are producing, if anything I get the feeling he is suffering from the same delusions of grandeur his many predecessors could be diagnosed with. America must lead the world, if the world wants it or not. For those of us who had enough of this his speech was boring, back slapping mush, designed to rally the troops around the new CiC, getting them ready to fight the wars Obama deems absolutely necessary.
Since Obama’s choice of SecDef is the same as that of the Bushistas, giving you an idea of his proximity to the neo-con doctrine, if you lived in Afghanistan or the Pakistani border region, or Gaza for that matter, and had no access to news, you wouldn’t know that Bush isn’t pulling the strings any longer. As commander he already has authorized numerous attacks on foreign soil that killed harmless civilians, made apologetic comments excusing mass murder. The only thing that remains to be seen is if on those days of no scruples he goes to bed at night, snuggling up to Michelle and feeling all chuffed with himself. My impression is he does.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Mar 1 2009 13:07 utc | 58

Sorry for the screwed up links. Looking for any excuse, I choose the fact that its way past midnight here 😉
to splurge
Its infrastructure

Posted by: Juan Moment | Mar 1 2009 15:12 utc | 59

@58,
if Obama were the leader of a revolution that had achieved sufficient power to re-write the nations constitution to the same extent as lets say Mao, Fidel, Hugo …, I doubt that the expectations & standards placed on Obama by some on this board would be much different.
for example, lets imagine Fidel Castro as elected President of Brasil. Is he going to be able to replace Brasils profit-centric health-care system with one thats community-centric, just because he believes its the right thing to do ? Is he going to be able to free the “slaves” toiling on Brasils horrendously inhumane sugar-industry simply because he’s outraged ? Is he going to be able to force a halt & reversal to the de-forestation & environmental destruction that proceeds daily in the Amazon. And …
lets paint another scenario where a president of Brasil (anyone) considers nationalizing the sugar industry, or lets just say implementing deep reforms that deliver a minimum level of humane existence to the workers. Sure the sugar-workers are going to like it. Poor ranch workers and other industrial workers are going to want reforms too. Campesinos & day-workers in the hillsides above Rio are going to want theirs too. And what you end up with is an effort to give a revolution to a people who have not asked for or demanded one.
lets dig a little deeper so we’ll assume the president of Brasil actually goes ahead with a program to reform Brasils massive sugar industry. Anyone who has ever worked in agro has some idea of the sheer size of challenge that comes with attempting to get it done without sacrificing profitability. Its certainly possible but the real limitation lies in the ability of those tasked to get it done. It requires a level of ingenuity & thinking thats much more easily achieved or inspired within a government in revolutionary mode than one thats in standard managerial mode. And they are also going to have to figure out how to overcome the never-ending obstacles set in their way by very powerful forces bitterly opposed to such reforms.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Mar 1 2009 15:34 utc | 60

So what you are saying jbc is that I expect too much of Obama? That for him to bring on the far-reaching change needed the position of US president isn’t powerful enough? The problems are too systemic and complex, even for a skilled politician and orator like Obama? There is probably a kernel of truth to it but quite frankly I don’t think the enormity of the task is at the core of the problem, unlike the ideology he subscribes to.
Obama never made a secret of his believe in the good war being fought in Afghanistan, of his intention to only be tinkering around the edges when it comes to health care or economic reforms. He has shown very little intention to roll back many of the draconian laws introduced by Bush, FISA etc, nor does he plan to pursue officials of the previous administration for their role in kicking off wars of aggression against harmless nations and the re-introduction of torture. He is all for UAV missions over Pakistan, which by themselves are acts of war against a sovereign state.
Take the $200 Billion that he’s planning on spending on the war in Afghanistan during the course of the next 18 months and do something worthwhile with it, like afford health care for the many people in the US who have none. Should he really want to spend the money abroad, why not help fund water sanitation and other projects with long term health benefits in developing nations?
To me it appears as if he is just not that much into “Change”, at least far less than what he harped on about during last year’s courting season. Where there is a will there is a way. Whats lacking is will, not way.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Mar 1 2009 17:19 utc | 61

I think we can agree that to become president of the USA, you have to know how to talk the talk & walk the walk. Otherwise Cynthia McKinney would probably be president already.
so theres the enormity of the task and theres also the will. Lets not forget that theres also the matter of political consequences for most everything a president does or does not do. For instance, ordering an end to GWOT in Afghanistan would be a highly risky venture for any president at this particular point.
could Abe Lincoln or any other president have acted to order an end to slavery as a singular matter of conscience, will & principle ?

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Mar 1 2009 18:04 utc | 62

Deja vu.

Posted by: Jeremiah | Mar 1 2009 19:21 utc | 63

b,
You’ve been spun.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 1 2009 20:01 utc | 64

The thesis of catastrophe is simply multiplied; and the case is put forward that Obama is the spearpoint of the imperial project. Are his policies really indistiguishable from Bush’s?
Nevermind that the president stresses that the troops will be withdrawn from Iraq in 18 months, and the country will be handed back to its people. If some of us counter with the assertion that he represents an improvement, even a modest improvement, the cynics react with a kind of tunnel vision, and they have constantly evoked Obama and Bush, as being the same, to make their thesis work.
No the extreme interpretation is put forward as the most likely model: Obama is like Thanatos or an “International Harvester” of death, or like Charon (why not?) looking with “lambent eyes” on the rumpling surface of the river Styx, as he poles the poor poltroons across to their home in Hades.
Gates, the Defense Chief, for that matter, could never prevail upon the Bush White House, to shut down Guantanamo; but Obama could rely on Gates to facilitate the closing of the prison. There are things that show that we are not still living in the Bush administration: Obama announced in recent speeches that he would no longer allow the real financial cost of the war(s) to be hidden with budgetary trickery. The arriving coffins from US wars can be photographed now, with the approval of the families. The president is ordering a complete overhaul of the veterans administration, to see that soldiers receive adequate medical and psychological care when they come home damaged and crazy. This is something Bush refused to do and never would do, because his people never really gave a fuck about troops who were no longer of any use to the war effort.
Obama is not about using up and discarding people, as the Bush regime was. Obama is not about hiding the costs of the decisions we take. He is not about filtering out the images of the toll war takes. I am sympathetic with the notion that we need to think more in terms of organizing people, and not looking only to leaders; but we should also reject the demonization of the president who seems to be a more humane and capable person than what we’ve been subjected to recently.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 1 2009 22:58 utc | 65

in briedf obame will preside over the second war of secesion this time between the rich & poor

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 1 2009 23:14 utc | 66

American news corporations (Disney today) hit a new low, as Karl Rove appeared on the “Round Table” on ABC, on the Stephanopolos show this morning.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 1 2009 23:28 utc | 67

…but we should also reject the demonization of the president who seems to be a more humane and capable person than what we’ve been subjected to recently.
Copeland, my own misgivings about the capabilities of the new boss are not monochromatic, and i certainly never mean to demonize the man obama when i speak critically of his policies.
after watching Rush and reading Bolton talking about a nuked Chicago this weekend i am reminded how utterly despicable the rethug core truly is, and knowing they will drive their message to further extremes to spook their frightened flock makes my heart sink. without understanding how party affiliation is a total scam, the two sides are huddled in their respective bunkers playing board games and sneering like school children while the national situation continues to rapidly deteriorate.
i am equally frustrated at the unshakable fortitude of obama’s most fervent supporters, based mainly on foreign policy/economic decisions made thus far by this new administration, but i’m not that far gone that i can’t acknowledge O’s speech seems like a positive indication he aims to honor a campaign promise. that of course doesn’t change the fact more collateral carnage is coming from the AfPak theatre.

Posted by: Lizard | Mar 2 2009 0:41 utc | 68

So far (as I see it) the most important thing Obama has done is to begin moving the mindset of the American people away from the greed is good mantra thats been seared into American brains over the last thirty years. Because there’s never going to be any substantive changes in policy until the people have first internalized, and then learned to demand, that real fundamental changes are necessary.
In case anybody has noticed that recently, the wingnut party has gone haywire ballistic in decrying the mortal end of America as we know it, and has already succumbed to the hypnotic spell of “radical” European Socialism. They have pulled out all the stops and have thrown every invective in their screwdriver kit to slow the tide. But, even after the latest Obama speech, polls have shown that the traditional shit no longer sticks – and that Obama’s numbers went up, especially among the wingnuts themselves, by some 20%. It seems that an increasing number of Americans are willing to cast aside the traditional dispersions on government and entertain if not accept a greater assertion of political power into their view of the country. And much of this is due to Obama’s (unique) ability to seize opportunities created by the economic troubles and translate them into a renewed political power toward reform, making the necessary changes seem necessary, in the critical sense. So in that regard the wingnuts are right, we are rushing toward European socialism. The funny thing is that they created the policies that created the necessity that we move in that direction. Obama is preparing the American mindset for accepting this necessity. No small feat, in re-defining exceptionalism from individualism into empathy for the other.

Posted by: anna missed | Mar 2 2009 0:47 utc | 69

Malooga,
…the universal right to stable shelter, healthcare, food, water, air, retirement, meaningful personal development and meaningful production for ALL world-wide.
Thank you for reminding us. Sometimes it’s hard to see the beacon through the fog.

Posted by: Tantalus | Mar 2 2009 0:52 utc | 70

i see it much as lizard does – that i focus on what-is-to-come & because we both work where the neglect of soiety is most evident & where the crisis is really felt, practically & with such an incredible velocity. lizard, you have told us a little – but here the numbers & the multiplicity of problems even at this early stage are frightening & i live in a provincial city – what paris & marseilles are like is beyond me & clearly beyond the state
this mobile underclass has very little to lose & i imagine that is as true in the belly of the beast as in europe except here that class has a highly developed sense of instinctual politics
the man – he doesn’t mean much to me – none of them ever have – they are never much more than an anthology of interests – their particular humanity is not interesting because it in fact never comes into play – even when they are quite quite mad like nixon & bush

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 2 2009 1:07 utc | 71

r’giap: this country is so damn big and my town in comparison is just a tiny fraction so what i’m seeing is not indicative of national trends. i could say we served 102,000 meals in 2007, and 117,000 thousand meals last year, but that’s just a statistical sliver. one of the things i am learning is the difference between the chronic homeless cases that live year-round in this town of 65,000, and the seasonal population that runs a sort of circuit around major US cities, usually spending the winter months down south.
a native guy who no longer runs the circuit recently told me how a kind of underground networks exists along these routes, and if you’re keyed into this system, you’re taken care of. the way he explained it, it’s a regionally chopped up, loosely hierarchal organization, with biker gang/drug running relationships.
i’ve only been doing this work for six months, so i’m still pretty green. along with the flashes of violence people surviving without homes experience (a veteran last year was stomped to death by two local kids) there are many more instances of generosity.
we’ll see what happens this summer. apparently, from previous “economic downturns,” (ha) when california’s economy goes soft, the intermountain west sees a population spike as people move around looking for work, but there’s not much to be had. the few remaining factory jobs, like pulp mills, are closing up, and for lease signs for commercial real estate, both downtown and in boxstore land (which has only sprouted up in the last ten years) is starting to become really prevalent.
because my state is one of the three states with budgets in the black, the illusion of wiggle room has most here optimistically holding their breath. needless to say i’m not too popular at the local politics and culture blog i frequent.

Posted by: Lizard | Mar 2 2009 4:01 utc | 72

which came first – obama or the ‘think tank’?
think tanks originated to influence how govt’s ‘think’ about issues, policies & direction
the entrenched ones focus on a global outlook, maximizing u.s. interests in the geo-political and geo-economic arena, and most espouse some form of liberal internationalism, ranging a very narrow spectrum from wilsonian liberalism to conservative pragmatism.
this u.s. liberalism, which always comes back to self-interests (primarily economics, extraction/exploitatiojn & power) no matter what the rhetoric (often human rights, civil liberties or good governance), has evolved as a bulwark against the revolutionary socialism that most of the rest of the developed world has experienced throughout their histories. especially in the early twentieth century w/ revolutions in mexico, russia, the ‘backyard’ and so on.
u.s. liberalism was seen as a ‘soft’ or ‘gradual’ revolutionism, co-opting some of the language & platforms of socialism to placate the masses enough to head off dangerous discontent & control dissent. control. it is mainly about control. and it still is.
think tanks make a living figuring out how to preserve u.s. interests as they have existed all along & to do so in a controlled manner. control. of the country, its govt, peoples, what they all think & control of risks.
it’s this risk management function that necesitates the placement of brand obama. if a think tank or two somewhere didn’t exactly bring obama to market, so to speak, there’s certainly a wealth of established thinking about how to guide the country along through tumultuous times such as these. i’ve already pointed out some of the parallels to the recommendations of the committee on smart power in other threads. while there may be institutional inertia that facilitates groupthink & has no doubt caught some in the economic & govt spheres offguard, it’s difficult to imagine that the current crises — what passes for capitalism & the waning u.s. influence in globally integrated networks — have not already generated terabits of reports, guidelines & recommendations for preserving, if not restoring, u.s. leadership in whatever form the situation dictates and controlling the slide into a more widely-disseminated socialism, albeit one to continue to benefit bankers & the speculative finance sector first & foremost.
so, which think tanks have the most influence on obama & his admin at this time? is there any research on this? is there any data we could find that would demonstrate that obama was seen as the best bet for keeping relative control over the social sphere as the u.s. tries to ride out the storm? he was certainly marketing himself for that role for quite some time now, as the pitch in his books attest. and he’s certainly co-opted many of the more potentially (for the sake of argument let’s just call them) radical mvmts in the country in his appeals to assimilation & patriotic unification, marching them through streets already littered w/ broken promises.

Posted by: b real | Mar 2 2009 5:40 utc | 73

Siun’s take:

This week President Obama announced his plan for withdrawal from Iraq. While some parts of his speech were very welcome – in particular both his recognition of the desperate situation of the displaced Iraqis and his statement that all – not just all combat – troops would be out in 2011. As Raed Jarrar notes, this is very good news.
At the same time, the level of control Obama has granted the Petraues/Odierno team over the withdrawal is worrying– in particular, his willingness to allow them to keep the bulk of US forces in Iraq through the next election – and then some.

Posted by: b | Mar 2 2009 11:20 utc | 74

liberating the hell out of those spineless Iraqis….
this video is priceless

Posted by: annie | Mar 2 2009 12:50 utc | 75

that’s US

Posted by: beq | Mar 3 2009 1:27 utc | 76

gareth porter: Despite Obama’s Vow, Combat Brigades Will Stay in Iraq

Gates has hinted that the withdrawal of combat brigades will be accomplished through an administrative sleight of hand rather than by actually withdrawing all the combat brigade teams. Appearing on Meet the Press Mar. 1, Gates said the “transition force” would have “a very different kind of mission”, and that the units remaining in Iraq “will be characterised differently”.
“They will be called advisory and assistance brigades,” said Gates. “They won’t be called combat brigades.”

porter & pratap chatterjee on democracynow march 26

Posted by: b real | Mar 26 2009 16:58 utc | 77