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January 14, 2009
U.S. Admits Torture

A high Defense Department functionary admits for the first time that the U.S. indeed tortured. Not that anybody had doubt over that, but this makes it official.

The piece was written by Bob Woodward which makes it an authoritative record.

But what is the intend of Crawford in spilling the beans now?

The top Bush administration official in charge of deciding whether to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees to trial has concluded that the U.S. military tortured a Saudi national who allegedly planned to participate in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, interrogating him with techniques that included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold, leaving him in a "life-threatening condition."

"We tortured [Mohammed al-]Qahtani," said Susan J. Crawford, in her first interview since being named convening authority of military commissions by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates in February 2007. "His treatment met the legal definition of torture. And that's why I did not refer the case" for prosecution.

Crawford, a retired judge who served as general counsel for the Army during the Reagan administration and as Pentagon inspector general when Dick Cheney was secretary of defense, is the first senior Bush administration official responsible for reviewing practices at Guantanamo to publicly state that a detainee was tortured.

Crawford say she I sure that al-Qahtani is guilty and dangerous but can not be prosecuted. So this could be a ploy to gain public support for, or put pressure on Obama to keep Gitmo open and the people there in purgatory.

There may be an additional motive:

The harsh techniques used against Qahtani, she said, were approved by then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. "A lot of this happened on his watch," she said.


Crawford said she does not know whether five other detainees accused of participating in the Sept. 11 plot, including alleged mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed, were tortured. "I assume torture," she said, …


"I think the buck stops in the Oval Office."

Could this be a base to get Rumsfeld or even Bush in front of a court? Crawford would not have made this interview without the consent of Sec.Def. Gates. Is Obama behind this?

Comments

As I posted elsewhere, fact of the matter is, people are so starved for any semblance of Justice, they’ll settle for the most minute whitewash, and be satisfied.
Sad, but true, starve and deplete a society and the most smallest crumbs will be like mama form heaven…
All the while, placebo jurisprudence takes place, a few bad apples, etc etc..
Systemic.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 14 2009 14:08 utc | 1

Mama from heaven? “She’ll be comin’ round the mountain when she comes….”
Or did you mean this?

Posted by: catlady | Jan 14 2009 14:53 utc | 2

Yes, U$.
A few people…. What about the pictures we saw from
Abu Graib? You remember, the one with the Iraelis in the background making sure that the white trash did things right. And what about the pictures they didn’t let us see, the one which were so much worse, that every big boy in Washington was walking around with a woody for weeks.
Nothing like a story from Bob “limited hangout” Woodward. What a charmed existence the court stenographer has! At least Bernstein gives some indication of being embarrassed at being snookered by Felt.
Two reasons:
1)To rehabilitate the US’s image under the big O. “We don’t do that anymore.”
2)Bush can’t grant executives pardons without accusations of wrongdoing. So there you go.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 14 2009 15:08 utc | 3

@Malooga, reasons 1 & 2: bang, bang, two nails on the head.
Sarah: “Look, Job, the forsythia, the first few leaves….not leaves though…petals…
I found it growing in the ashes, gold as though it did not know…I broke the branch to strip the leaves off–petals again! But they so clung to it!
You wanted justice, didn’t you? There isn’t any. There’s the world…
Cry for justice and the stars will stare until your eyes sting. Weep, enormous winds will thrash the water. Cry in sleep for your lost children, snow will fall…snow will fall…
I couldn’t help you anymore. You wanted justice and there was none–only love.”
-Archibald MacLeish, J.B.

Posted by: catlady | Jan 14 2009 15:45 utc | 4

There is surely some personal statement behind the Right Honorable Judge Crawford stating the obvious, since the RHJC needs to go on with life after Bush, look old friends and colleagues in the eye, and sleep well in the years to come. It is not just a truism that torturers receive the same torment as they dish out — it just arrives internally, in spades, over the years that follow. The RHJC is assuaging guilt personally as well as publicly.
The public import of the RHJC’s clear statement is to help muddle the whole issue, get it slicked up with some limited hangout statements of honesty from the inside, lube it up a bit with rationality at long last so that it all slides into the past without further ado.
Meaning, Obama will get busy in DC this winter, create a whirl of new activity, and gradually let the American public know that he will not be pursuing the crimes of the Bush years in any way but words, words, words.
This little statement of judicious honesty is just a laxative, to help the giant turd in America’s gut go away without the slightest bit of digestion.

Posted by: Antifa | Jan 14 2009 16:50 utc | 5

Poem appreciated, catlady.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 14 2009 17:12 utc | 6

It’s actually from the last scene of a play (written in verse, yes).
For those who didn’t read J.B. (a modern retelling of the story of Job) in a dramatic lit course somewhere along the line, MacLeish wrote it in 1958. He wrote in response to the horrors of two world wars, the Holocaust, and the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The horrors never end; we can only seek what love we can find.
And so it goes….

Posted by: catlady | Jan 14 2009 18:11 utc | 7

@catlady/MacLeish
They once asked Abbie Hoffman if he agreed with John Lennon saying “All you need is love.” His one-word answer was not immediate: “…justice…”

Posted by: Browning | Jan 15 2009 14:15 utc | 8

If there was justice all at once, all debts paid, every score settled, each drop of blood avenged — would there be anything left but ashes?

Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Jan 15 2009 19:10 utc | 9

Valid question Chuck Cliff, but I answer it with my own, have you ever walked a mountain trail the spring after a lighting strike and Forrest fire?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 15 2009 20:04 utc | 10

Valid question Chuck Cliff, but I answer it with one of my own..
Have you ever walked a mountain trail the spring after a lighting strike and Forrest fire?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 15 2009 20:08 utc | 11

Via UT at Salon.com I just watched this rather disturbing clip from corporate media wherein Scarborough rants and raves and belittles the one person on the panel who is still sane.
from the youtube comments

what that stupid ny times lady doesn’t realize is that joe is an authority on torture and waterboarding because he spent six years in congress. there, he learned how to make up random statistics, make wild accusations and win arguments with ad hominem attacks! and he also got into a double super-secret club where CIA and FBI interrogators specifically tell him all the actionable intelligence they get from interrogating people

I am profoundly sad and angry too. how was it possible to become so bad?

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 15 2009 20:36 utc | 12

On the consequences of Crawford’s open talk by some knowledgeable law scholars:

Under the 1984 Torture Convention, its 146 state parties (including the United States) are under an obligation to “ensure that all acts of torture are offences under its criminal law.” These states must take any person alleged to have committed torture (or been complicit or participated in an act of torture) who is present in their territories into custody. The convention allows no exceptions, as Sen. Pinochet discovered in 1998. The state party to the Torture Convention must then submit the case to its competent authorities for prosecution or extradition for prosecution in another country.
The former chief judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces and general counsel for the Department of the Army has spoken. Her clear words have been picked up around the world. And that takes the prospects of accountability and criminal investigation onto another level. For the Obama administration, the door to the do-nothing option is now closed. That is why today may come to be seen as the turning point.

Posted by: b | Jan 17 2009 11:25 utc | 13