Have they no shame?
no.
this has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions.
plus there is not any more $$$ – has all been given to the jew bankers and financial con men.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 31 2009 16:46 utc | 3

This is an interesting redux on 2006 Lebanon war
The US support of Israel and the zionists, I expect a nuke.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 31 2009 17:27 utc | 5

I am surprised the US is even giving that much, since “it might strengthen Hamas”.

Posted by: Colin | Jan 31 2009 17:42 utc | 7

“In the Narcissist, shame is so intolerable that the means have been developed not to experience it at all. What psychologists call “bypassed shame” looks like shamelessness or the absence of a conscience, hiding behind a protective barrier of denial, coldness, blame, or rage. Since there are no healthy internal mechanisms available to process this painful feeling, the shame is directed outward, away from the Self.”
“It can never be “my fault.”
“More typically, the shamelessness of the Narcissist comes across as cool indifference or even amorality. We sense that these people are emotionally shallow, and we may think of them as thick-skinned, sure of themselves, and aloof. Then, all of a sudden, they may surprise us by reacting to some minor incident or social slight. When shaming sneaks past the barriers, these “shameless” ones are unmasked for what they really are — supremely shame-sensitive.”
“That is when you will see a flash of hurt, usually followed by rage and blame. When the stink of shame has penetrated their walls, they fumigate with a vengeance.”
“Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways — to face it, neutralize it, and move on as healthier individuals do — leads to the characteristic postures, attitudes, and behavior of the Narcissist.”
Narcissism and Shame
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Au contraire, b — the Israelis and Americans are utterly possessed by shame.
If you do not
If you will not
Look in the mirror
All crimes are Theirs.

Posted by: Antifa | Jan 31 2009 20:30 utc | 9

they don’t want gazans to have the reward of pure water. let them drink pollutants, it is part of the unhealth plan.

Posted by: annie | Jan 31 2009 21:49 utc | 11

Thanks bacon.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 31 2009 23:04 utc | 13

Well, bacon. Another contradiction of the Empire Thesis.
The contradictions are so innumerable I wonder about the sanity of comrades who cling to the tidy expurgation that “amerika” is source of every evil. tsk tsk.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 1 2009 1:59 utc | 15

don bacon,
Germany gives “aid” to Israel because of blood dept and the fear of being told of if ever the governmet of the Germans would refuse to “aid” the Israelis.
the “aid” for Gaza is also blood dept, but associated with recent shame, and more to show that germany is doing something and is thus not biased.
sad state of affairs, no?

Posted by: sabine | Feb 1 2009 4:04 utc | 17

It hardly matters that, in the effort to produce a domestic legitimation of power, the german government (or any government in the industrialized oecd) occasionally opts out of this or that practical implementations of capitalist class domination. And in any case, germany didn’t obstruct america’s invasion of Iraq, which strategically is of a piece with afghanistan and palestine. Germans suck the giant cock of “empire” even as they advertise and annoyingly false independence.
Good for you bacon. Nice catch, even as you miss the forest for the tree.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 1 2009 4:21 utc | 19

slothrop,
You’ve got it backwards — I’m bringing attention to the forest while you are fixated on the tree (the US) and spouting all your class domination claptrap. This is not class warfare and it has nothing to do with any economic system. It’s power and profit, pure and simple, as old as the hills, with the self-righteous western powers +Israel and their bogus “western values” pitted against the “evil” Muslim hordes.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 1 2009 4:37 utc | 21

B#22,
What the fuck does bulldozing farmland have to do with stopping rocket attacks, or degrading Hamas? This is simply genocide.

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 1 2009 9:54 utc | 23

RE Antifa 39,

“More typically, the shamelessness of the Narcissist comes across as cool indifference or even amorality. We sense that these people are emotionally shallow, and we may think of them as thick-skinned, sure of themselves, and aloof. Then, all of a sudden, they may surprise us by reacting to some minor incident or social slight. When shaming sneaks past the barriers, these “shameless” ones are unmasked for what they really are — supremely shame-sensitive.”

I might point out that this “hyper-shame” also fits neatly into the ethical code of elite Southern white exceptionalism. Where ones status is defined by those both below and above, and is grounded in a rigid hierarchical social system based on protestant religion, classical philosophy, and medieval chivalry. In addition to the combative sensitivity to slights, it also encompasses hardened loyality to family, locality, state , and religion – deference to elders and social “betters”, an almost theatrical sense of hospitality, fierce defense of female purity, propensity to magnify personal insults into capital crimes, and an intense respect for male virility and manly courage where the “duel” is the ultimate expression. All part and parcel of a typical honor based society.

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 1 2009 10:17 utc | 25

Why should the US offer aid to those it plans to eliminate, or agrees to decimate endlessly by proxy, in a minor, easy, if slow, clumsy and wearisome, ethnic cleansing operation?
Some symbolic token, a small bone, must be offered as discursive ammo for the supporters, the press, the Int’l community who will nod wisely, etc.
A blatant show of power. Shame is not a feeling the powerful ever have and they only ever apologize or admit to mistakes post hoc, long after, when all is done and sealed in the past…this is afaik an Anglo-culture speciality (forgiveness new start legitimizes it..)
It has nothing to do with shame, guilt, or being embarassed, it is strategic PR for themselves and the followers who cheer them on.
The small sums are nod-nod-wink-wink to forcefully signal, those people are toast.

Posted by: Tangerine | Feb 1 2009 16:23 utc | 27

The fact germany and other euros supply israel with the means to slaughter palestinians is more proof that the “empire” thesis is bull. Thanks, bacon for offering more facts disabusing the view that the US is solely to blame. It’s this reductive argument that deserves to die.
Also, the euros to a man support the US position visavis israel. And yet in expiry our euro comrades whine whine whine about the US.
As for my reductive classwar arguments, well, why is it that the northern industrialized economies support israel and gwot? It’s not a coincidence and it’s not because they’re all reading the old testament.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 1 2009 17:03 utc | 29

I wonder why folks here started over with Germany. Did I say a word about it?
There is a lot to criticize on Germany-Israeli relations and I say so loudly in my country and my native language. But why should I do so or be obliged to do so on this blog? MoA was not made for that purpose.
Yes the current German Merkel government is very supportive of Israel. Other governments here have been less supportive despite a quite fierce Israel lobby here. Public opinion is much less supportive.
(BTW: The German subs to Israel ARE definitely build as nuclear platforms – second strike capability for Israel.)
The current German government also supports war in Afghanistan. 60-70% of the German people do not.
The question than is why the German government is so supportive? Because of the will of the people, or because of pressure from the U.S.? Yes there is such pressure – intense pressure.
There is absolutely no unified European position towards Israel. Belgium to stop exporting ‘arms that bolster the IDF’ to Israel for example. The UK press was quite hostile to Israel this time.
There are a lot on the right in Europe (esp. eastern Europe) who support Israel for only one reason: “Keep the Jews away from my country.”
I wonder how many in the U.S. think like that …

Posted by: b | Feb 1 2009 19:22 utc | 31

b
it is so necessary, rhetorically & otherwise to deculpabilise us imperialism of its crimes – he wants to share the guilt around – he fails to understand imperialism tho he claims to read capital. it is no accident that whenever we go into the abbatoirs of war & occupation – slothrop stays silent, very silent.
slothrop does not understand what a vassal state is under late capitalism – that is quite clear to me. he absents the decisionmakers of washington from any survey. he is unable to particularise the difference between egypt, germany or australia vvassal classes
slothrop refuses to understand, is wilfully ignorant of the decisive nature of u s imperialism in the mechanism of our history. it is ahistoric. he posits in mych the same way as the frauds did with the protocls elders of zion – he concocts a class of internation capital that have nothing to do with the decisions of washington or new york or delaware for that matter
so he falls short – he attacks the vassal states or commends them in his perverse way of somehow being worse that imperialism itself – to the point where the french pensioner in lille is as guilty as donald rumsfield. safe as sloth might be in the world of theory – reality seems to jar him
in brief, i do not believe he understands the nature of capital in europe, especially germany
when washington wails – everyone is forced to go to their pockets to aid israel & you are correct to call the ‘aid’ to gaza by u s imperialism to be anything but that, at best an insult, at worse, infamy

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 1 2009 20:11 utc | 33

slothrop
the “scads of empirical support” is in your shorts, pal
you are ahistoric
your understanding of economics abysmal – keep with the rhetoric but make sure your sentences are short

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 1 2009 21:25 utc | 35

& you slothrop – the pinnacle of socratic discourse – i’m sure if i was stuck with you in plato’s cave i’d have a fucking headache
the answer is outside your window & not in your head, as much as you would like that to be true
& anyway at 22:40 here in europe i hear that israel is launching yet more air attacks against gaza

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 1 2009 21:51 utc | 37

At least we know now, beyond any doubt, that euros are as complicit as anyone in the US state dept. for these crimes. And we also know that it is laughably hypocritical when euros insist the US is the culpable agent.
That we know for certain. Why this is so is a matter for debate.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 1 2009 22:32 utc | 39

It hardly matters that, in the effort to produce a domestic legitimation of power, the german government (or any government in the industrialized oecd) occasionally opts out of this or that practical implementations of capitalist class domination. And in any case, germany didn’t obstruct america’s invasion of Iraq, which strategically is of a piece with afghanistan and palestine.
Not to start a cow, but — I agree with slothrop here, although I do not see a whole lot of light between positions. I believe Wallerstein would agree.
There is a lot to criticize on Germany-Israeli relations and I say so loudly in my country and my native language. But why should I do so or be obliged to do so on this blog? MoA was not made for that purpose.
Of course you are under no obligation to do anything you don’t want. Yet, I’m not sure what the exact purpose of this blog is. Regardless, I for one — following Chomsky’s dictum — believe that we should all be criticizing our own governments foremost, since that is what we have the most control over, and hence the most moral responsibility for. As the Empire weakens, individual countries will increasingly cleave off and stand up to its blandishments.
All aid offers have been disgraceful.

Posted by: Malooga | Feb 1 2009 22:58 utc | 41

Also, I have somewhat carelessly used the lingo of “late capitalism” and “world-system” stuff here. The historical reality demands reassessment of these theses. The global capitalism of today has enormous flexibility in the way that the mobility of capital can abandon zones of industrialization, reduce the costs of variable capital, finance consumption out of accumulation in industrializing zones…this could go on forever. German capitalists are doing this in their own country, btw.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 1 2009 23:23 utc | 43

The ridiculous claim by those who argue the amerikan empire doesn’t exist, that in fact capitalist corporations and their attendant armies operate in concert rather like an old school flat structure producer co-op. without anything at the helm, is that if the contention that amerika wasn’t the bossfella were true, it would be unique in the annals of corporate capitalism, all of whose other structures are extremely hierarchal.
Acknowledging that the german pols played to their home audience when they declined to overtly participate in the amerikan empire’s illegal invasion of Iraq, does not mean that germany is not a vassal state of the empire, all it means is that the empire was pressed to exert its control as completely as it prefers during the period in the lead up to invasion.
The proof of that is the german intelligence agents who assisted the amerikan empire’s bomb targetting in the first week of the invasion. This was something that was clearly not in germany’s interest, especially not in the interest of the german govt who were on a hiding to nothing once the german public learned of this assistance to murder. Everyone involved must have known the public would learn of this perfidy, if only because amerika would not be able to resist releasing that information, either to further embarrass the pols who had stood up to the empire, or to demonstrate that the amerikan empire really did have the support of ‘old europe’.
However that targeting came about; either because the german govt didn’t want to get as deep on the shitlist as france had, or because german intelligence, along with virtually every other ‘western’ intelligence agency, is owned by the amerikan empire, it demonstrated just how much of vassal states the other states in the western alliance are.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 2 2009 3:47 utc | 45

I believe the empire to be a corporate entity, only hiding behind the symbols and attributes of US Americanism and the “western” world (Wall Street, Hollywood, MacDo, Coca Cola and some boob enhanced, white teethed unisex actors).
The Empire, needs no national affility, it will be where the money goes and be what it needs to be, they will sell the product! For heavens sake, the Prime Minister of NZ is a Goldman Sachs Banker – wtf!, he ran on a “obama” platform of change and hope (getting rid of “Auntie Helen”) and won.
In the case of the US/Israel/China/Iran/Pakistan/Afghanistan/Somalia/and countless of others the “empire” will sell us war and fear and destruction all around, some die and some will watch horrified and fearful, and others will shop.
The “empire” can only exist with our co-operation,either willingly, for self preservation; passively, to better not cause trouble and stir the waters or forced, i do need this job. And we co-operate, because we must.
So we safe ourselves into denial, we create the office face, the friend face, the father/mother face, the lover face, and now we the World are a bunch of drugged out borderline personalities. The “empire” running our governments is our provider, is running our media, is running our schools, our workplace (the reason 99% of all managers are a bunch of certified idiots is because they hire and promote themselves), they sell us “the Joneses” all the gadgets that go with it, and suddenly everyone is depressed and on a diet, and work ourselves to an early death.
We are at the end of our “industrial age”, the “service age” turned out shit, and we need less and less junk and junk food because we all had to much as it is.
And the “empire” can’t have that, The world will a:give generously (Money, Aid, Military Support, total submission) or B: the empire will kill you/me/us either by dropping bombs, or by staging a banking – financial crisis or anything else they can make money on.
It is only the people that think in form of Nationality and Country, of left and right, rich/poor etc. The Empire itself is stateless, without borders, without loyalty, without shame.
And by refusing to accept this little reality, we allow crimes in the name of nationhood and nationality, we allow collective punishment, we allow insults and torture, we allow endless war, and we dare not look in the mirror.
The human specimen is one dumb sucker.
sorry for the rambling, but can we all agree to ignore the beast? Please?

Posted by: sabine | Feb 2 2009 6:09 utc | 47

lizard, i like that
To seize is to
Restore calm;
To liquidate,
To end bondage
thx for the poetry.

Posted by: sabine | Feb 2 2009 7:23 utc | 49

Israel caused the destruction? Why arent they made to pay? As wirth Lebanon,Israelis being coddled.So long as it is,you can be sure it will continue to attack and destroy its neighbours.

Posted by: brian | Feb 3 2009 21:39 utc | 51