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January 2, 2009
The Useless War On Gaza

I find it difficult to write about the slaughter in Gaza. I am full of rage, disgusted and at the same time feel unable to do something about it.

The killing we witness has no purpose at all but to prop up a bunch of failed politicians:

It may be harsh to say that hundreds of civilians have died and several hundred wounded purely in the interest of a bunch of politicians too keen on their own political ambitions to consider the consequences. But that is the brutal truth of this conflict.

Either Israel stops its inhumane blockade of Gaza or people there will continue to launch rockets against the towns and cities their parents and grandparents had to flee from. Short of killing all Gazans, there is no other solution and there will be no other outcome.

With its reporters denied access to Gaza, the 'western' media simply repeats Israeli propaganda justifying the unjustifiable. Alan Hart and John Pilger explain (video: part 2, part 3) how this manipulation is done. Also recommended, Mustafa Barghouthi on the Myths of Israeli Victimhood.

The Israeli politicians who started this can not agree on a strategy on how to stop it. That guarantees the failure of what they attempted with their campaign. The longer the conflict goes on, the less effective the propaganda will be. The truth will slip into the media coverage and in the end the international pressure will be for a ceasefire that may well open Gaza's borders.

At least that is what I hope for.

Comments

@Malooga
I for one would be very interested in hearing the story of how you left Zionism, if you should ever be inclined to share it.

Posted by: bea | Jan 4 2009 4:53 utc | 101

Malooga-

If your children were being killed, and the one man on the planet who could stop it remained mute, you would not take too kindly to being called hysterical, would you? Well, tonight I feel as if all the children of Gaza are my children.

You put your most serious argument at the the top of #96, and I have sympathy with it.
You devote most of the rest of the post to the CIA accusation, which I can’t take seriously. Obama is not from New Money or Old Money or from America’s aristocracy (New England families) or from the celebrity stratum of Hollywood. He’s the son of an immigrant father and a midwestern woman of modest means. He got to where he is by merit and hard work and the love of his family. And especially by political skill, impressive skills, that were first remarked upon at Columbia University.
The kind of political skill Obama has doesn’t grow on trees and appears infrequently in our political life. This doesn’t make him some kind of religious figure. He’s an African-American who convinced the majority of the electorate to make him president.
The Manchurian Candidate theory is pretty flimsy and just won’t fly as far as I’m concerned. And I’m doubtful that he has been groomed by the CIA.
But back to the serious part of your post.

If your children were being killed, and the one man on the planet who could stop it remained mute, you would not take too kindly to being called hysterical, would you? Well, tonight I feel as if all the children of Gaza are my children.

America is probably not able to accept what you would have him say–which if he said it before his inauguration–would cause a political shitstorm. And since you described your family background for me, I think you know why. It would not be the ordinary shitstorm either. This is why the fucking Israelis calculated that now is the best time for the attack.
Their expectation was that he, or any American president, would be forced to remain mum. And why is this? Because Israel, the holy mindset, not the nation of Israel, is the Central Front in the war on our delusions. You have only to look at the Congressional approval handed overwhelming to Israel’s last grotesque romp in Lebanon, to get an idea of this problem.
I don’t mention this fact in order to praise Obama at this unquiet moment of history. This is not a recommendation as to his character. It is simply to acknowledge that it would be risky, and there is no way to excuse it on moral grounds; put it this way though; it is a problem that too many Americans have. All those representatives vote the way they do because they are all too aware of the taboo. Once again, Malooga, I feel that you understand this. I’m sure as hell that you don’t like it, and neither do I.
Not even George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, or Franklin Roosevelt could cut this Gordian Knot. And this is our tragedy. You cannot defeat a powerful superstition overnight. Especially not at the vulnerable political moment, when you have just defeated a particularly fascist leaning clique in your own country.
I’m sorry Malooga. God will no doubt judge us. But this superstition connected to Israel could potentially destroy us. You are right about that.
I wondered whether I should be so blunt, because frankly it is repulsive, and I feel ashamed. I will scream as loudly as I can at the horror and injustice of what is happening in Gaza; but the government will be paralyzed over this for some time more, at least until January 20th, and maybe longer. Let people power do what it can, what we together can do to stop the killing.

Posted by: Copeland | Jan 4 2009 5:16 utc | 102

@Copeland et al…
You may want to hear what Former Governor Jesse Ventura has to say about the system establishment.

CIA Embedded in Every State Government
Jesse Ventura Speaks about his personal experiences and knowledge of such facts!
Former Governor Jesse Ventura exposes he was interrogated by more than 20 CIA agents during his term of office in Minnesota. Despite the CIA’s mission statement which states they are not to be operational within the Unites States, Ventura stated that he had embedded CIA agents working in high level positions of the Minnesota state government. Ventura also said that when these agents retired, their replacements were already chosen for him by the CIA.

Despite his bravado at the end, I have no reason to doubt what he is sharing here, yes, too, he is selling a book, but I suspect he is telling the truth, on State level and I highly suspect that it’s ten fold on the national/federal level including all three branches of government, most emphatically the executive via the MIC.
The average man is a conformist, accepting miseries and disasters with the stoicism of a cow standing in the rain. -Colin Wilson

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 4 2009 6:31 utc | 103

from inner city press blogging the emergency u.n. security council mtg tonite
As Tanks Roll Into Gaza, UN Council Meets, Fireworks at Stakeout


The General Assembly President Miguel d’Escoto Brockmann appeared at the stakeout, fresh back from Nicaragua, and denounced the ground offensive and the “disfunctionality” of the Security Council. Inner City Press ask how he would review the performance of the UN Secretariat, a question which d’Escoto dodged by saying, “I do not speak for them.” Then a representative of Fox News repeatedly asked questions about why d’Escoto is targeting Israel. A self-described Jewish correspondent asked about the terror in which Israelis live. A new columnist for the New York Post asked d’Escoto, “who invited you to the Security Council?”
D’Escoto did not answer, but from the riser of TV cameras, an Arab journalist said, “It’s none of your business.” Then the Postie debated an Arab cable channel. The conflict had spread not only to the Security Council but to its stakeout and press corps. The ground offensive had begun.

Update of 8:57 pm — The Sudanese Ambassador alleges, and the US indirectly confirms, that even a press statement is too much for Washington. All they want is for the French Ambassador to tell the press about the Council’s views. “That’s the lowest form of Council action,” says Sudan’s Ambassador. “It’s no action at all.”

youtube video of the ambassador from sudan here

As the UN Security Council met about Israel’s ground offensive into Gaza, Sudan’s Ambassador told the Press that the U.S. was trying to block any resolution or even formal press statement, and opined on the motives for the ground offensive. Presented without commentary.

“we were told that the american delegation insisted that there should be no outcome at all from … today’s meeting”
back to the inner city press coverage

Update of 9:18 p.m. — during the Council’s redrafting lull we can report: President of the General Assembly d’Escoto when he went “uninvited” into the Council met with the Arab Group, which “rehearsed him” for next week, when the Group will take Gaza to the General Assembly if the Council does not act. They will meet again with d’Escoto after tonight’s proceedings, whenever they end…

Update of 11:07 pm – US Ambassador Wolff comes out to take questions, emphasizes Hamas rocket fire. Inner City Press asks him, since UNRWA’s Karen AbuZayd said the killed police cadets only went to work for Hamas government because they had no jobs, were they legitimate military targets. I’m not going to get into specifics, Wolff says, blaming it all on Hamas.

The Libyan Ambassador, speaking mostly in Arabic, predicts an open Council meeting on Monday.

Posted by: b real | Jan 4 2009 7:18 utc | 104

Copeland:
I agree with the vast majority of your realpolitic analysis.
But on the CIA thing, you are building up a strawman. I never claimed that Obama was a Manchurian Candidate. The CIA hires hundreds of young graduates every year. So do many other organizations: Young Republicans, etc. I am not denying his talent and that he rose up through whatever ranks you chooose to believe. And I do not deny his political skills, and that of his team. He is obviously far more talented than the very limited Bush who can barely speak on his feet, much less think or chew gum. I have not seen enough of him under pressure to know whether I think he is more talented than Clinton, who I believe has some edge in intelligence. Both have a good deal of hubris, which may serve Obama as unexpectedly ill-fated as Clinton.
What I am saying, is that Obama has been very successful at running a mysteriously empty campaign, clearly not of his own design, mouthing largely meaningless platitudes successfully crafted to get all manner of people to project their personal beliefs unto him. Politics, as practiced by the elite, is the art of successful misdirection. Obama is the candidate of the elite. Others may think he is their candidate too, but the wealthy do not allow their candidates to serve two masters, only to sound like they do. Regardless of peoples expectations, Obama is no Gandhi, nor is he anti-war or anti-militarization. The permanent rulers of America put him in place to restore legitimacy to the Empire and that is what he will attempt to do. Like John Kerry, he promises a better run empire. In his first test, his silence cries out to us all.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 4 2009 9:41 utc | 105

Good catch Uncle #104, but not so surprising. In the (illegal) domestic sense the CIA runs an informant scheme for the PTB. If he had solid information, Ventura should go before a public congressional inquiry and expose exactly who and how the CIA is able to maintain permanent agent positions within state government, and what their capacity is. Nonetheless, I agree he’s probably telling the truth.

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 4 2009 9:43 utc | 106

Copeland’s #103 concluded with the sentiment that “…this superstition connected to Israel could potentially destroy us”, a few paragraphs after reinforcing the fairy tale that Obama “…got to where he is by merit and hard work and the love of his family.” This is some serious dissonance, but completely typical of what we have become reduced to.
Personal incredulity does not represent a legitimate refutation. As much as Copeland can not swallow the idea that monied interests and entrenched agencies assisted Obama in his meteoric rise, I can similarly not swallow the idea that “love” and “hard work” can magically transform one’s rags to riches, regardless of how much subjectively defined “political talent” one has. I do, however, see how embracing that latter paradigm furthers the entrenchment of the PTB more effectively than the invisible and potentially imaginary armies of Big Brother could ever dream of doing. The velvet glove is just friendlier than the jackboot, even they both take you to the same destination.
Each of us is clinging, by necessity, to a particular set of psychological constructions in order to codify the world around us. That can’t be helped, but some worldviews facilitate atrocities more readily than others. Malooga’s worldview has been repeatedly denounced as being “too dark” or “too pessimistic” as if this were nothing more than the test market for the ending of a Hollywood movie. In the meanwhile, those filled with “hope” and “love” and some similarly ill-defined quality watch and wait and do their utmost to silence those whose archetypes aren’t touchy-feely enough for their personal level of comfort… all the while, degradations continue to occur and lives continue to be extinguished.
I don’t comment here nearly as often as I used to, and I don’t even read much of what is written anymore. It’s become an exercise in impotence, paralyzation and self-fullfilling prophecy… but a warm, fuzzy exercise with whipped cream and a cherry on top. The analyses are impeded by a preponderance of circular and wishful thinking, Typepad’s very own brand of limitations (bordering on NewSpeak since it restricts what can be communicated)and sheer trollery. Readers may choose not to believe in the existence of agents provocateurs who patrol weblogs… I don’t think they’re necessary if they do exist. Folk do fine on their lonesomes.
Happy 2009 and peace out, all.

Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 4 2009 10:13 utc | 107

Monolycus, I understand your frustrations, and agree to a great extent. For myself, I often find myself trapped in an existentialist holding pattern, but like everything else it’s impermanent, it ebs and flows like the tide. But I also get substance from posters such as you and the vast majority here. I feel awful knowing you find posting here an exercise in meaninglessness when you offer so much, however I also understand you have to take care of you whatever or how ever that may be. I will always offer you a bar stool and a drink, when ever it fancy’s you to pop in.
One last thing, they say the truth will set you free, perhaps, it’s certainly does in some aspects, but I’m reminded of the saying also, “I read so that I know I’m alive”, I forget who said that, doesn’t matter but I question myself as to why I continue to frequent this place after years and years, all I can come up with, misfit that I am, is a vague scene about a character in Madeleine L’Engle’s, A Wrinkle in Time, which I read many, many years ago and haven’t revisited it since, however the scene in question is with the young Charles Wallace Murry, I think, where CWM had to fight the group mind control by repeating his name and age and address over and over again to keep from succumbing to evil, indifference and apathy. I think it’s called anhedonia.
It would be so much easier to live blissfully ignorant, that is not to denigrate anyone, some of us can’t have the blanket of denial ripped from us, we would freeze to death, however, I feel like I have taken a bite of the Kallisti golden apple and can’t un-know what I know can’t turn back and often feel like I can’t go forward either. It’s a hell of a place sometimes…
Indeed, good wishes, for the future, but fuck the Gregorian calendar and it’s Newtonian sleep…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 4 2009 11:37 utc | 108

And for now, Obama has about as much authority to assess, manage, direct & project USA policy as the manager of your local Dunkin Donuts.

jony_b_cool, president elect Obama not only has the authority to assess US policy, he is by office obligated to do so. As far as I can tell, Obama was required to pay attention from the moment he got himself elected into senate. And I am under no illusion he didn’t do so back then or isn’t doing so today, to the point that he is getting similar intelligence briefings and updates as outgoing warlord Bush does. Don’t worry, he is assessing ok, what matters and more to the point is what his conclusions are, as they will determine his actions or lack thereof once he is in the white house. Concerning Israel he luckily has given us already an insight into what those conclusions are, he made them abundantly clear.

I want you to know that today I’ll be speaking from my heart, and as a true friend of Israel. And I know that when I visit with AIPAC, I am among friends. Good friends. Friends who share my strong commitment to make sure that the bond between the United States and Israel is unbreakable today, tomorrow and forever.

Forever!!!

You see, my great-uncle had been a part of the 89th Infantry Division — the first Americans to reach a Nazi concentration camp. They liberated Ohrdruf, part of Buchenwald, on an April day in 1945….. When the Americans marched in, they discovered huge piles of dead bodies and starving survivors.

He’d be turning in his grave if he saw how his great-nephew is watching with indifference, if not cheering on the assault on Gaza’s residents. But let’s not get distracted by ol’ Nazi stories, but continue our readings of just how much Obama shares Israel’s rotten values.

Our alliance is based on shared interests and shared values. Those who threaten Israel threaten us. Israel has always faced these threats on the front lines. And I will bring to the White House an unshakeable commitment to Israel’s security.
That starts with ensuring Israel’s qualitative military advantage.

I can’t help but feel that Obama sounds as if he’s finished his assessment of Israel’s oppressive regime and their brutal land grab – with every slain Palestinian civilian we are allowed to witness his conclusions.
Now, about his power to manage, direct & project USA policy 20 days out from being given the keys to the WH. I am not sure about the manage & direct part, but in terms of projection he is today already immensely more powerful than lame duck Bush, realistically ever since he was made democratic front runner and leading in the presidential race.
The whole world knows that Obama will have to wait till the official handover in three weeks time before he can factually issue the order to stop any further military aid to Israel. But why is it so hard to imagine Obama giving a press conference as President elect, or just a friggin TV interview, and in it indicating that should the IDF’s onslaught on Gaza continue, then he is going to be cutting any military support. That’ll do. He doesn’t actually have to issue the order, just announcing he irrevocably will do so in 20 days time unless the attacks cease immediately, and the war hounds in IL would feel the leash pulled back so quickly, they’d have sore necks for months.
The fact that the US president elect chooses to remain silent on the daily US manufactured bombardment of helpless people, that he doesn’t utilise the power he already has by implication of being the incoming US leader, tells me that once he gets to hold the sceptre, he won’t be putting an end to Israel’s slaughterhouse policies either. For the world at large I’d imagine this man has turned out to be a massive disappointment, speaking for myself he surely is.
Nothing, absolutely nothing of what Obama has done or said so far gives me the impression that he’d be the man who will have US politicians and ranking militarists prosecuted for the despicable deaths their ego-manic attitudes and actions have caused over the last 8 years, that he is not the man to roll back those draconian laws enacted in the US over the last 7 years. Instead he speaks of the need for more military bases, of how the US has to regain lost ground in its play for world domination (or leadership as he calls it). He openly stated he’d have no problems with US incursions into Pakistan, which in my books constitute an act of war.
With the incoming president being a total failure on such fundamental issues, what am I meant to expect from this man? My guess, not more than what we got from the spineless Democratic congress for the last shameful years. Despite all his efforts to come across as the agent of change, odds are he will not initiate the transformation we are all hanging for – we must do so ourselves.
I empathize with Monolycus sentiment in regards to participating at blogs. For all the effort and time spend on reading and commenting, an equitable amount should be spend on direct actions to counter the global fascist movement. Maybe a thread on how to conjure up meaningful change could be inspiring, and would break up the empire’s endless stream of bad news that are generally the topic at the Moon. As Franklin so nicely put it, Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Jan 4 2009 12:51 utc | 109

via rob payne’s blog:

Obama was outspoken after South Ossetia was attacked by Georgia who then was summarily clobbered by Russia. Even after it was shown that Georgia attacked South Ossetia first killing Russian soldiers in the process Obama still had the following to say.
“Russia’s government must respect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Georgia and other independent states. Its refusal to do so calls into question its commitment to the responsibilities of membership to organizations such as the OCSE and the Russia-NATO Council, its application to join the WTO and the OECD, and makes it impossible for Congress to enact the civil nuclear agreement. If Russia’s government continues to violate the norms and practices of the international community, the United States and our allies must review all aspects of relations with Russia.”
This is an astonishing statement considering that the U.S. so recently broke every international law in the international law book when we attacked Iraq a nation that had done absolutely nothing against the United States…
Jonathan Schwarz puts it nicely…
How completely predictable that Obama is eager to say what he “really thinks” when (1) what he “really thinks” is inaccurate and (2) it serves political power, but is not eager to do so when (3) what he “really thinks” is accurate and (4) it requires confronting political power. (Of course, god only knows what Obama truly believes about Israel/Palestine at this point.)

Meanwhile, Joe Quinn surveys a history of Israeli false flag operations and reminds us that we have no idea how many rockets were really launched by Hamas, and how many by agents provocateurs

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 4 2009 13:36 utc | 110

By the way, I expect to be denigrated. I have been banging away persistently at some very hard held beliefs.
People naturally want to cling to the myths we were told as kids: that our government is good, that we live in a democracy, that there are rules, that if we play it straight and work hard we will suceed, that we can make a difference by voting, that good triumphs over evil, that we can look up to those in power, etc.
It is very frightening to see all of those myths — the underpinning of our being — broken. It is very frightening to hear that the very people we are told to trust are the ones doing this.
When we start to hear that what we had always believed is not true we enter a psychic netherworld where the old paradigm and the new fight for primacy. This state is called “Cognitive Dissonance.” While we are in this state, we do not possess a set of inner myths, or rules we can trust, to guide our being. Our behavior goes off. We lash out because our inner self feels very betrayed. A psychic battle is being fought within ourselves, and that battle forces its way out and is expressed in our behavior in the real world.
Yes, the new paradigm is very, very dark, and very scary. We feel alone and isolated. We don’t know what to trust.
The good news is that we have all been through this process before and have come through this, have come out OK. Maybe it was when we first discoveed Santa Claus wasn’t real. Maybe it was the first time we realized that our parents were human and fallible. Maybe it was after we realized that our first love was a dolt. We walk around in a haze, a black fog, but we do get through it.
“Yes, but the new world view we are being asked to accept is very black indeed.”
This is true. But we must remember that many people have faced what we have to face and not only come through it, but have grown to meet the challenge. Yes, many are great people we all know of: Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Emma Goldman. But many others are ordinary people who have used their realizations to make a small difference in their sphere of the world.
So, we must realize that we can do this, that we can grow into new, sadder but more realistic, more balanced, beliefs. It is part of becoming an adult. We have always known that sadness, despair and grief are integral with life, joy and hope. People wiser than us have told us that they are two parts of one coin. The good parts of life will come back, but only as half the story. Never again will we find ourselves manically needing to “have fun” in order to escape a reality we cannot accept.
And then begins the work of helping others…..

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 4 2009 14:12 utc | 111

PS Monolycus,
I understand your feelings and have felt them myself. Just want to say that I have always appreciated and learned from your wisdom and insight.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 4 2009 14:13 utc | 112

Here’s the part about Hawaii to be proud of: “Pro-Palestinian protesters at Obama’s Hawaii house”

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 4 2009 14:43 utc | 113

Malooga,
Good post and so true, wisdom can be sadness.
Most humans are brought-up in the myth of a savior coming to “make things right” at some future date. This is what most people continue to hope for, despite all evidence to the contrary.
“I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs”–Frederick Douglass, escaped slave.
Mr. Douglass found that he, like all of us, is the god ultimately in control of their destiny. There are no heroes coming to our rescue, no angels, aliens, supernatural beings or any of the other fantasies our species like to delude ourselves with as the “big parent” watching over us and keeping us from wiping ourselves off terra firma.
Ask the dead from Nagasaki or Hiroshima if there is any savior other than death. Ask the dead in Cambodia, or Vietnam or (add you favorite genocide here) if there is any savior from man’s evil other than death. They would all tell you the same; you are your own savior, or you’re dead, or you’re a slave.
Gaza is just one in a long line of atrocities committed by humans who thought they were righteous and on the side of good. It is the historians who will decide which side was “right”, but it is the side that is still able to print books which will decide which historians are actually published…
The reality of life is that it is a terrible house of horrors where every form of life requires that something die so that it may live. But once you get past this, it can be a pretty wonderful place to be.
Here is an idea to keep thinking about: if you really want to, it isn’t that hard to drop-out, go live in the woods away from people and their problems. Hell, it is even possible to do this in places where it is populated, but not as much fun. The world is a massive place, despite the encroachment of six billion plus people and their silly politics, so just go Hayduke and hide.
I know this isn’t an option for all but the most anti-social of us, so the best way to deal with the crazy truth of the world is enjoy the game it is. All human endeavors are a big confidence game that requires a group of people willing to believe in the game. You may not be able to change the game, but you can be a bee, no make that a wasp, that finds exposed flesh and stings (wasp can sting many times, and they also have a nasty bite, many bee species sting then die.)
If you find enough others who think like you, you become a swarm and something more than a swat is required to silence you.
It is a game. For some, deadly serious, which is why it is important to keep smiling and laughing because that really pisses them off.
I like to think of a quote from a favorite comic strip, Mr Boffo, who is obviously down on his luck, sitting on a park bench talking to his dog and says, “ Weederman, one day we’ll look back on all this and laugh…”
“…It may be one of those slow building crazy maniacal laughs, but it will be a laugh none the less.”
Dave

Posted by: David | Jan 4 2009 15:27 utc | 114

Malooga:
Your writing speaks deeply to me. I am beyond rage, beyond hope (I have no faith in Obama). My community is still healthy, but many of us are preparing for what lies ahead–planting gardens, loving our friends and neighbors. Some days the best I can do is practice breathing.

Posted by: catlady | Jan 4 2009 17:30 utc | 115

@ slothrop. today I read this short piece by Raimondo, which expresses my opinion re. Isr. approximately (not that I am a fan or even know much about him or agree with everything.)
Justin R. anti-war.com
@malooga. OK – and I should *not* post hot headed, be the heat and fury due to horror in Gaza or the mundane roast and sauce needing attention every 5 mins. I will take up my own editorial pen, such as it is.
@ obama discussion. I read somewhere, it stuck, but don’t recall so can’t link, that Obama is the new CEO of USA, Inc.
In short, he is not the Messiah, he is not Hope, Light or Change, those monikers are slogans touted in politics, for the vote.
In the corporate sphere, the slogans, talking points, or recycled principles, fed to the public and participants, have a different tone, flavor, and vocabulary, such as:
turn around, new acquisitions, stream-lining, shareholder value, company image, innovative advertising, sustainable development, ethics above all, horizontal structure, employee input, capital base, competitive work force .. etc.
The political version of this corporate guff is pretty much what Obama has served up between the layers of populism, varying with form: speeches, written texts, the latter very sparse btw. Keeping USA Inc. going means sacrifice *and* bail outs, aggression, bombing, and retrenching, (not spelled out, implicit).
Obama has re-branded the US, and like corp. moguls he will pursue the same old, but with new vigor, viciousness.
He is playing in a new field, quite different from when Bush Junior was (s)elected the first time, Bush discourse then was very traditional, non intervention, American entrepreneurship, toddle along on the old road, etc.

Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 4 2009 19:29 utc | 116

MEL GIBSON WAS RIGHT: IN VINO VERITAS

Posted by: Hoda | Jan 4 2009 20:44 utc | 117

Obama makes another solid pick — Leon Panetta as CIA chief.
And soon as he’s done fixing America’s problems, I want him making the picks for the NJ Nets at the NBA draft.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 6 2009 2:30 utc | 118

like a bird grateful for bread crumbs during winter, jony claims another solid pick.

Posted by: Lizard | Jan 6 2009 4:55 utc | 119

Lizard,
even more tempting is when some dude on the street offers you a pair of new Bang & Olufsen speakers for 15 bucks. You always want to be the one doing the picking. Or else ! And its been a while, I was just a kid heading back to school and I can still remember the 3-card monte guy who took all my money,

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 6 2009 5:31 utc | 120

Jony, a friendly suggestion: maybe instead of childhood recollections, you should access more recent memories of getting taken, like 2006. or, you can keep baiting commentators like me who have zero patience for willful ignorance with stupid comments like your drivel @119.
by the way, i think your comment in this thread is inappropriate. the topic was the useless war in Gaza, not the useless hope-train you’ve boarded, so stop yelling choo-choo like some excited toddler at Christmas.

Posted by: Lizard | Jan 6 2009 5:55 utc | 121

jony,
You simply do not understand the politics of Empire and why the US, in its quest for full-spectrum dominance, is so hated around the world.
What’s Panetta gonna do? Stop the “Salvador option?” End false flag operations? Tell the Mossad to flip off? Stand up the for Palestinians, Pakistanis, Afghanis and Somalis? Did he stand up for Iraqis when he served on the Study Comission? Did he have a problem with an illegal war based on lies which has killed, injured or made homeless over a quarter of the population? Is he gonna change what the CIA does for a living?
Do you think the other 6 Billion people of the world who will soon come under Mr. Panetta’s purview give a rat’s ass whose chosen to murder them?
Look, anyone who once worked for Mayor Lindsay can’t be all bad. But there’s no fundamental change in the system. He had no problem with the illegality of the Iraq War when he was on the study commission.
I think you’d be better off cheering for your favorite imperial horse on Daily Kos where those details seem to mean something to the Kosnocenti. But, since there’s apparently no getting through to you, I’ll leave you to gloat over Obama’s few “solid picks” (whatever difference they’re suppossed to make in your universe) in your triumphal ignorance.
If I really cared about who was sitting in which chair when the Titanic went down, I’d probably be worried that Ehud Barak Obama has a Mossad agent as his CoS, while he gets someone with no intelligence experience to run the CIA. Hmmm….. Who’s zoomin’ who?

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 6 2009 6:00 utc | 122

Bringing things back on topic, it is tragically ironic that after hearing Bam-Bam’s deafening silence over Palestine, naive Hope for positive change has become nervous Hope that he wont become a complete disaster.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 6 2009 6:06 utc | 123

PS:
I didn’t know that the job of the CIA chief was “fixing America’s problems.”
Sounds a little mafia-like (perhaps he starts with the kneecaps), but thanks for informing me.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 6 2009 6:12 utc | 124

I CAN’T TAKE READING THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH MY GOD, It’s utterly unbearable –
Gaza Today Blog

Posted by: bea | Jan 6 2009 7:33 utc | 125

jony, no OT snarking!

Posted by: annie | Jan 6 2009 7:42 utc | 126

A Massacre: Samuni family says: Israeli soldiers gather
30 persons from Al Samoni family in one house. Ten families were in
the house from the same clan. Many civilians were killed as artillery
shells bombed the house. The number of victims around 14, most of them
are children and women.

Posted by: annie | Jan 6 2009 7:49 utc | 127

I haven’t been reading this thread for a while and I wanted to point a couple of things out about the Obama CIA thing that occurred to me as I read through the posts.
Firstly I have no evidence of an Obama CIA connection, but I do have to say as a citizen of a couple of amerika’s alleged allies the assertion is completely unsuprising, in fact it is so natural I can’t help but think it is probably true. To obama_fan_boi I must point out that Putin has made no secret of his KGB connection, he was a boss of the KGB and he transferred across, Obama on the other hand if in fact a cia operative, is not a boss, he is just another shit kicker taking orders to best protect the interests of corporate amerika. If he is CIA he will continue to take orders once ensconced in the whitehouse. Putin takes orders from no one.
We ‘allies’ of amerika, are well used to having CIA agents of influence in our governments. As has been discussed here before Tony Bliar didn’t just happen, he was given the job of leader of the (until his appearance) avowedly socialist english labour party following the sudden death of leader John Smith. That happened right before an election which the Tories had no chance of winning.
A similar thing happened with israel spruiker, friend of amerikan mafia figures, and former australian PM Bob Hawke, who also managed to blackmail and cajole his way into the leader of the opposition gig right before an election “that could have been won by a drover’s dog”, such was the australians antipathy towards the tories at the time. If Hayden (the leader Hawke displaced) had won Australia would have had a leader who was directly connected to the same Whitlam government which the CIS/SIS had unconstitutionally blackmailed and extorted out of office in 1972.
But all of this is old news. The CIA has been riding roughshod over democratic practises throughout the world since 1946, what makes/why do amerikans believe they should be immune from this?
A manchurain candidate style of prez was inevitable as soon as the backlash against Bush became unmanageable as evidenced by the dem landslide in 06.
Obama was the get outta jail free card for amerika’s war criminals.
Although the left likes to imagine CIA and forces of conservatism as some sort of omniscient monolith the reaction to the WTC action in 2001 when amerika’s security services spun out in an hysterical panic for at least three years, which shows us that they are a bunch of scared kids who get their ideas from bad novels and the backs of cereal boxes.
The imperial guardians put their tame african amerikan on the back-burner just in case the peeps reaction to dem obsfucation, refusal to impeach, and betrayal by supporting the illegal invasion of Iraq once in control of Congress, went in favour of an unknown third party candidate. Which doesn’t sound that fantastic, does it?
The net was still seeming to be uncontrollable. Cindy Sheehan and Co had managed what should have been impossible getting publicity for their cause despite a centrally managed media monopoly. Those assholes really didn’t know if they could keep control. Cue Barak Obama, the card up the empire’s sleeve.
If there hadn’t been a single viable candidate in either party who could claim to have opposed the Iraq criminality from the get go, don’t ya think Paul or Kucinich or even a third party candidate may have gotten up such a head of steam that at the least, the dems resolve may have broken, maybe such candidate could be more than a spoiler, and even have actually stood a chance of winning?
Enter the right’s spoiler Barak Obama.
I was in favour of celebrating Obama’s victory something I still stand by but I don’t particularly want to relive that argument.
The simple fact that an unwhite has been made prez even though he doesn’t appear to share the perspective of most other unwhites, is still a cause for celebration. The was and still is ample time for recrimination later.
I have had a version of the ‘plant’ idea for Obama for about a year. previous to that I had thought he was a typical corporate shill, but his own corporate shill. Everything he has did and said gives the plant theory, credence and I would much rather go with the CIA corporate amerika stooge than the alternative, a zionist stooge campaign put together by Rahm Emmanual and his AIPAC cobbers. That really does sound like some nazi ‘world wide jewish conspiracy’ number.
Ask yourself this, given the huge disconnect between what Obama claimed to be up until his nomination and what he has demonstrated himself to be after that point, why would anyone who wasn’t a plant, a stooge, bother?
If Obama keeps going where he’s heading and there is every indication that is precisely what he will do, he is going to end up more hated and reviled than shrub himself. Obama is stupid he must see that, so. Why would anyone do that to them self unless they had an ulterior motive?
Lastly on the Business International thing which Malooga wrote about. I know nothing of that organisation’s history, but I I do know a lot about Fiji’s political history and the notion that Fiji was governed all those years by the old crook Ratu Kamasese Mara is ludicrous. Mara was a plaything of army boss Sitiveni Rabuka who would have sooner jammed a cock up his ass (he is a noted homophobe) than compromised Fiji’s sovereignty in the way that article suggested. Mara was used for his pull with the council of chiefs. Once Rabuka threw out the one man one vote thing, which had allowed a government led by an ethic Indian to win office, he needed another institution to claim support from. That was Fiji’s traditional council of chiefs. That is 100% indigenous and free of the descendants of the Indian indentured labourers which england overpopulated Fiji with then refused to grant citizenship too when Fiji won it’s independence. Ethnic Indians now make up 50% of the population and the odds of that nation lasting much longer before a major ethnic cleansing occurs is pretty much non-existant.
All Fiji’s coups have been racially based and they don’t require any outside assistance since virtually all the army and police are ethnic Fijians, ethnic Indians only make up a tiny proprtion of staff in either institution. CIA stooge Australia, has tried to bully both military dictators out of office. Whatever truth there is in the assertion that business international is a CIA front is undermined by this fantasy about Fiji’s coups being CIA plots.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 6 2009 10:04 utc | 128

no snark intended this time but lets pull up another two of Obama’s picks. First, Rev Wright, Obama’s recent pastor. And Michelle. I think Rev Wright in particular could add as much as anyone here on the extent to which the deck remains stacked against the interests of the masses.
We do’nt know much about Michelle but her comment about never having been proud of America before indicates that she’s likewise very alert to the dark side of the picture too. How important is this ? Well the cherry-pickers obviously do’nt think it is. Not unless they stumble upon some angle that allows them to rope Rev Wright & Michelle both into the plot too.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 6 2009 11:40 utc | 129

no snark intended this time but lets pull up another two of Obama’s picks. First, Rev Wright, Obama’s recent pastor. And Michelle. I think Rev Wright in particular could add as much as anyone here on the extent to which the deck remains stacked against the interests of the masses.
We do’nt know much about Michelle but her comment about never having been proud of America before indicates that she’s likewise very alert to the dark side of the picture too. How important is this ? Well the cherry-pickers obviously do’nt think it is. Not unless they stumble upon some angle that allows them to rope Rev Wright & Michelle both into the plot too.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 6 2009 11:41 utc | 130

Eloquent and informative as always, Did.
j_b_c:
Talk about grasping at straws.
Reverend Wright? Are you kidding? Obama did everything to that poor guy but stab him in the back and cut off his balls. He completely disavowed the relationship. Despite my respect for Wright, Obama ensured that he is completely discredited by the average liberal voter, those who I work with everyday.
Michelle? Her career has been crafted to provide maximum money and minimum controversy. Nevertheless, I’d sure like to be paid over $200,000 (or was that 300) to market a private business to poor people (her job at the hospital), a job which she called “a dream job.” Right. 99% of Americans can dream of ever getting a job like that.
j_b_c, do you really believe that candidates are taught to speak their true feelings off-the-cuff, when big business is investing over $300M in their campaign? Every line is carefully crafted for a particular effect, to appeal to a certain constituency, even the so-called “controversial” ones (which are never very controversial).
Besides, the point is not the depth of Michelle’s insight. The point is that even if Obama were Jesus, he could do nothing to stem the rot.
A new President without an established power base, as JFK had for instance (lol), does not “command” the CIA, the military, the NIA, the FBI, or even his pretorian SS guards, nor the reins of finance and big business, nor even the Democratic Leadership Council. Rather, he takes orders from them — generally in the form of policy crafted by the “think tanks” they fund. Do you think the businessmen who invested $300 Million in Mr. Manchurian want to be told to accept less profit so that the poor can eat? Really?
No, this is all one huge super-tanker of momentum and it cannot turn on a dime if it wanted to. That is how and why states fail, which is what we are seeing happening now.
Bush, courtesy of ex-CIA chief Poppy, had a huge power base. Yet he could not manage to convince the military to attack Iran, something he clearly wanted.
Check out a President’s schedule. They spend 20 or more (sometimes far more) hours/wk giving speeches, interviews, photo ops. That is in addition to the hours spent preparing those speeches and their delivery. I ran a $15M organization with 150 employees. I could never have managed even such a small organization if I had that additional burden. The President is much more of a salesman than anything else.
Obama had been Senator for less two years when he, and plenty of BIG MONEY, decided on his run for the Presidency. That is probably the least amount of experience for a President ever in modern history. Even W. had a better resume! But, miraculously, despite running against a very experienced opponent, that issue never came up! There are 150 living Senators and exs who have far more impressive legislative records. Senator “Being There” was famous for missing every single controversial vote.
Obama ran on two things only, his ability to give a speech and to lie, (Yes, he does lie constantly, usually telling the public what it wants to hear. He spent years being coached by the best of them. He was a poor speechifier just a few years ago.), and his ability to have anyone project what they want to believe — however contradictory — upon him. He was very aware of this unspecificity. I have quoted him on this before.
Anything good Obama does — and there will be some good — will have been vetted in advance by the huge money interests who control the US and most of the world, and will be so that they can stem revolution and keep their hold on power.
Obama will be the same credit to his “race” (a concept which has been completely de-bunked scientifically) as Colin Powell, Condi Rice, and Clarence Thomas; as much as Joe Lieberman and Rahm Emmanuel are to theirs, as much as Alberto Gonzalez was to his. The real credits, the Kings, Malcolm X’s, Wellstone’s, and Chavez’s (I’m thinking of the US labor organizer here.) wind up dead in ditches.
If anyone still has any sentimentality for Obama, then read two things:
1) This article by David Icke. Yes, I know that people think he is a neo-fascist nut-case, and he does get it all wrong when he discusses Bill Ayers at the end — knowing nothing about the American left — but up to that point it is nothing short of a brilliant deconstruction of the Obamaphenomena.
2) Obama’s AIPAC speech. You don’t lie to gangsters like Rahm and live to talk about it.
AS Cockburn has observed, it is hard to remember a candidate whose policies were more continuous with the previous administrations than Obamas. Any “change” we might get is less than a buck.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 6 2009 15:38 utc | 131

Malooga@132
Right on!
You must be going to meeting of the Aspen Institute, Bilderberg Group or the Forstmann Little & Company retreats because you speak like someone who has seen the ugly inner-belly of power.
Anyone who still buys into the one man one vote crap is silly, that doesn’t even happen with married couples, let alone the most powerful nations on earth. HaHaHa. I needed a good laugh and the obama hopefuls are always willing to give me one.
dave

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 6 2009 15:53 utc | 132

Now every Palestinian can officially have it engraved upon their tombstone, “I died while Obama was concerned.”
That should ease the pain. The Emperor was concerned.
Yes, world, you have heard it. Let it ring out from the hilltops,
The Emperor is concerned!
The winds rise, the leaves tremble at the very words. Small animals scurry for shelter. Skudded clouds cover the skies. The moon appears in a void.
From atop his throne, the dark luminary speaks, “I am concerned.”
All sentient beings are filled with meaning and purpose.
One hand is formed in an ancient mudra: the middle finger sticks out at the suffering of the world. In the other hand he holds a sword to cut off the heads of those who suffer from delusion — in this case the delusion that the Palestinians are being systematically exterminated like playthings. His mouth forms a cryptic half-smile. Blood drips persistently from one corner. His eyes are half closed in bliss. From a deep state of Samadhi–absorption, Obamananda murmers, “I am concerned.” A low rumble permeates the universe.
One must ask, “Who is the ‘I’?”
What is the buddha-nature of this true concern?
What is the quality of ‘am’? Is it persistent or transitory in state?
“I am concerned”
There it is. In the vast fixity of time-space, an event has transpired. Simply put, it happened. Billions had awaited this event, as a light cutting through the darkness of ignorance and delusion. There it is. It cannot now be disapeared. (Except through the memory hole.)
A million scholars arguing for a million kalpas cannot make this concern go away.
Truly, it is as if a gnat had landed on the Emperor’s vast nicotine-scented cheek, and now needs swatting away.
Fuck him! Fuck Obamananda and his worthless concern. It is a pitance, a mere triviality. It can be purchased wholesale for nought and metered out as wan electons upon the internets of hope.
He should have stayed in Hawaii making surfer signs. It would have done the world more good.
Tell me how McCain could have been worse. There is no possible way, because at least there would be a pitiable resistance against him. Now everyone is rushing to get Doctorates in apologetics.
Sure, the plan is to destroy the entire infrastructure of Gaza while only killing several thousand and injuring under 10,000. Then when people are starving do death, force them to admit their culpability in exchange for food.
Repeat your mantras after me, “The West does not torture.” “I am concerned.”
But the plan has been amended. Now the idea is to do it with concern.
What a relief to the minions who serve this haughty Emperor upon the threat of death and torture.
“I am concerned.”
Martin could have learned to speechify from him.
“I am concerned.”
This is destined to go down as one of the great lines in oratorical history.
And yet, from his still and quiet grave, Vonnegut, alone, is not moved.
And so it goes…

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 6 2009 22:43 utc | 133