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January 24, 2009
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Flashback: Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 24 2009 20:12 utc | 2 Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 24 2009 20:30 utc | 4 bbc impartiality – i’ll be laughing to the grave – i wonder whose cock the fuckwit matt frei will begin to suck – they really, really make me more ill than i am Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 24 2009 20:33 utc | 5 bbc indeed. They are SKY news with better looking babes, I wonder what the blackmail Mossad had on Thompson. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 24 2009 21:00 utc | 6 fuck this
i guess we can just bomb whoever the fuck we want. Posted by: annie | Jan 24 2009 21:22 utc | 7 ô annie Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 24 2009 21:32 utc | 8 Swearing upon the Bible or whatever holy text, regardless of what you are swearing to do for whomever, is mostly hot air with little, if any, substance. So whenever a POTUS takes the oath of office, vowing to do the right thing for America, this amounts to just about the same amount of weight as a man standing before the wedding altar, vowing to be faithful to his newly-made bride. Posted by: Cynthia | Jan 24 2009 21:34 utc | 9 there was a reported suicide attack on AMISOM troops in mogadishu today, followed by AMISOM forces opening fire on civilians, but the news reports & the pix aren’t fitting together
take a look at these pictures of a bus & 8 or more bodies (warning – photos of the dead at the following link)
i only see one bus in these pictures. i’m assuming there are other pictures that show the wreckage from the destroyed car somewhere. is the a destroyed bus nearby? how many buses were involved? Posted by: b real | Jan 24 2009 22:47 utc | 11 in my spare time Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 25 2009 2:24 utc | 13 AN ELEGY FOR AL-HALLAJ Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 25 2009 2:31 utc | 14 one of the few pleasures of this world isreading or watching a whol slew of ‘journalists’ who are ‘turning their vest’ as the french say – they really believe that the people do not posses memories. they think we will forget their lies. they will think they we will forget their words that led to bloody murder in iraq. they think we will forget the fictions they created from the most sordid of cloths Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 25 2009 3:12 utc | 15 I am an habitual downloader, an extreme downloader is how my ISP describes when it is angry at my bandwidth use and frustrated at it’s inability to prevent it. Long story short NZ’s telecommunications network is controlled by a privatised monopoly which successfully withstood all pressure for change with the usual mixture of bribery and extortion on pols and media players until it made a bad slip up coupla years back. Then it had to allow a freeing up of the net where it promptly went back on it’s deal and shaped traffic it promised would remain untampered with. Slap on the wrist from regulators small cash payout to the 3 or 4 thousand of us who had been most effected along with a promise that we select few would not have any download cap.
ass covering on all sides. Tryig to get onside with those who are devastated by the gaza murders with a mention of that horror in the same breath as the 82 genocide, but then ingratiating himself to the zionist ‘lefties’ with ” with Israel’s moral culpability for the 1982 massacre [in Sabra and Shatila] is not the same as its moral responsibility for the civilians killed in the current war Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 25 2009 3:22 utc | 16 let us remember for example – that in their hubris – these nietzchean puppied(in fact ayn randian ringworms) were going to create their own realities, construct their own histories, create new facts on the ground that we plebians would tearfully have to follow Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 25 2009 3:36 utc | 17 re my #11, here’s an al jazeera video segment showing two buses, neither of which looks like it took either a ramming from another vehicle nor the blast of an explosion, esp of the size of a force that demolished the remnants of the toyota pickup shown in a couple of the frames Posted by: b real | Jan 25 2009 8:15 utc | 18 Malooga had a long top post about the Zionist control of US policy. here Posted by: Tangerine | Jan 25 2009 10:17 utc | 19 Gary Trudeau has an intriguing and maybe even perspicacious take on Obama’s cabinet choices in today’s Doonesbury Posted by: Juannie | Jan 25 2009 15:12 utc | 20 & it would seem that the media which serves those who rule from the role of dollars continue their long tradition of hating the people Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 25 2009 16:05 utc | 21 Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 25 2009 16:12 utc | 22 Its amazing how quick the military industrial complex came out with the Git-mo study about former detainees going back to the battlefield. Obama needs to fire anyone who was involved in releasing the study. Posted by: jdp | Jan 25 2009 16:31 utc | 23 @ #9 Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Jan 25 2009 17:25 utc | 24 a small poem on the nature of progress Posted by: whimsy mugwump | Jan 25 2009 17:37 utc | 25 continuing w/ my focus (comment #’s 11 & 18) on the lies presented in the deaths of somali civilians in the aftermath of the suicide bombing
this fits the pattern of indiscriminate shelling of the bakara market & surrounding neighborhoods in retaliation for insurgency ambushes. Posted by: b real | Jan 25 2009 18:41 utc | 26 Deb is dead-I went to look for my copy of Free Fall in Crimson to check the publishing date, and I couldn’t find it on the shelve with all the other paperback John MacD books, but it was there, right at the head of the line as my only glorious Mcgee hardback and a first addition to boot (what thrift store and how many years ago, I’d never guess) printed in 1981, those were simpler times for sure… Posted by: David | Jan 25 2009 18:48 utc | 27 clearly, i am an imperfect communist – heart like a wheel Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 25 2009 22:13 utc | 28 For those lamenting the fall of Lehman Bros., this heartwarming example of conjugal love in stressful times will undoubtedly inspire admiration for the afflicted. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 26 2009 10:05 utc | 29 I’d be interested in hearing a Turkish view of this and this, Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 26 2009 11:52 utc | 30 This could get really interesting:
felicitations must go to the bolivian people who decisively have called forth a new constitution. if this had been in the time of reagan & thatcher without a middle east – the people & their leaders in latin america – would be dead. they knowit. we know it Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 26 2009 21:12 utc | 32 have just read some of the filth of andré glucksmann & mr bernard henry levy. useful enough for the embassy of israel her to use it Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 26 2009 21:47 utc | 33 Spiegel On Line gives a useful partial response to my request @ 30 above. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 27 2009 7:21 utc | 34 Stimulous appropriations spending items, (Some of them).
Soundtrack for the above reading… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 27 2009 7:50 utc | 35 This article from The Oil Drum and the associated comments are probably too reasonable and too technical to convince their intended audience (the current Washington “ins”), but they seem well worth reading for anyone seeking something other than the usual claptrap. The assertions are open to debate, but the level of debate seems stratospheric when confornted with campaign rhetoric and lobbyist propaganda. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 27 2009 10:48 utc | 36 HR645:National emergency Centers in Mil Bases Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 28 2009 7:41 utc | 37 FMLN wins legislative elections in El Salvador, poised to win the presidency in March. WOW. Posted by: anna missed | Jan 28 2009 8:57 utc | 38 How risk management works in high finance:
Madoff: Off the fairway (ft.com, link goes to google to avoid their stupid registration) Posted by: DharmaBum | Jan 28 2009 11:39 utc | 39 I know that it is bad manners to have a post headlined and then disappear, without answering any questions. I apologize to all; that seems to be all I can do these days. Yet, it is great to see how fertile the ole bar has been lately. B’s posts have been of extraordinary quality. (Note: I am surprised that no one linked “Domestic Spying” together with the next post, “From Policy Intention To Legal Justification,” as they are two sides of the same coin of the realm: Laws for you, none for us.) Nevertheless, it is gratifying when I am unable to post to see almost all the points I would make, made — often better — by others. It is great to see the energy brought by a whole new generation of posters, just as it is great to see the many longtime ones who have stuck with this exercise. (I recently re-read a census post from four(?) years ago where b attempts to ascertain just who is reading MOA.) Posted by: Malooga | Jan 28 2009 19:48 utc | 41 malooga Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 28 2009 20:26 utc | 42 i am so tired at the way that a relatively few actions by a desperate people with a minimum of means at their disposal is used to hide the more generalised crimes of the state of israel Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 28 2009 21:17 utc | 43 Malooga, Posted by: David | Jan 28 2009 22:09 utc | 44 Malooga: I was wondering where you had gone off to, been watching for your name on the sidebar. Your writing has been a comfort to me as I have been climbing down off my own mountains of fear and outrage. I still want to know what’s going on in the world, but I don’t want to care in ways that are destructive to my soul and to the beauty of the small world around me. Posted by: catlady | Jan 28 2009 22:15 utc | 45 i apologise but i want to cut & paste a speech that al-hakim, dr george habash founder of the popular front for the liberation of palestine gave after an action in jordan in 1970 – nearly 4 years ago – it is even truer today :
resistance is not terrorism Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 28 2009 22:21 utc | 46 me, evidently & it should have sd nearly 40 years since that adress Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 28 2009 22:23 utc | 47 @41 Liked that. Nice piece of characterization, to set it up in such a way that the narrator’s self-concept is shaken just by realizing that he stepped in shit, he’s lucky (and impotent, since his luck could easily run out.) My impression was Shawn’s pushing you to step outside the narrator – it’s all about him, like empathy’s not painful enough without the self-loathing. Posted by: …—… | Jan 28 2009 22:40 utc | 48 remembereringgiap@46, Posted by: David | Jan 28 2009 23:34 utc | 49 Obama lawyers set to defend Yoo
The Dems are just as complicit. As I said in b’s excellent, ‘Obama Has No Afghanistan Strategy’ thread, what we are seeing here is an insider elite power struggle, where the new kids on the block are trying to wrest away long time entrenched power brokers of the Bushco mafia. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 28 2009 23:42 utc | 50 Yeah yeah, tin foil… I know.
Michael Parenti: Conspiracy Phobia on the Left. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 28 2009 23:48 utc | 51 Michael Parenti’s position on 9/11 at this German website: Wissenswertes zum 11.9.2001 (The quotes are all left in English, easy to locate, and well worth reading in themselves.)
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 28 2009 23:50 utc | 52 christ, imperialism is repellent right down to its bootstraps. Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 29 2009 0:42 utc | 55 U$@51&52 😉 Posted by: David | Jan 29 2009 1:00 utc | 56 And Now For Something Completely Different: Davos Features “Refugee Run” Posted by: b real | Jan 29 2009 5:49 utc | 58 Someone has been listening to me:
b real, how completely bizarre. here is the group creating the theme park, complete w/ security forces. Posted by: annie | Jan 29 2009 10:47 utc | 60 anybody know whats up with Arthur Silber? Malooga do you know him? Posted by: anna missed | Jan 29 2009 11:22 utc | 62 b real@58 (and thanks for the link annie)- Posted by: David | Jan 29 2009 13:55 utc | 63 b, Posted by: Juannie | Jan 29 2009 21:00 utc | 64 Hummm. Comments are back. That was fast. Posted by: Juannie | Jan 29 2009 21:23 utc | 65 We have often joked in MoA about how, just like his old sheriff George W Shrub, everything Tony Bliar touches, turns to shit. They call it the reverse Midas touch. The invasion of Iraq and the failed search for weapons of mass destruction were the shining examples, but if you can cast your mind back to 04 and 05you may remember how day after day in both domestic (Katrina- bush and Pay to play – Bliar) and international issues (shrub Niger Uranium – bliar Saudi arms bribes) Bliar just like his owner was regularly getting sprung in flagrante, with his fingers jammed in the cash drawer.
Those zionists sure showed old bliar what they think of his limpwristed efforts to have peace break out in the ME didn’t they? As Norman Finkelstein wrote yesterday in Counterpunch* : ” The fundamental motives behind the latest Israeli attack on Gaza lie elsewhere: (1) in the need to restore Israel’s “deterrence capacity,” and (2) in the threat posed by a new Palestinian “peace offensive.” Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 29 2009 21:32 utc | 66 does anybody here know anything about Illinois politics, especially the impeachment of Blogojovich? He just gave a closing speech to the rascals who will finally hang him after giving him a fair trial. Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 29 2009 22:03 utc | 67 performed the mahmoud darwish tonight to a large public with a palestinian group who work normally in the basque country & a palestinain academic, a medievalist who read the poems in arab Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 30 2009 1:11 utc | 68 performed the mahmoud darwish tonight to a large public with a palestinian group who work normally in the basque country & a palestinain academic, a medievalist who read the poems in arab Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 30 2009 1:12 utc | 69 r’giap… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 30 2009 2:06 utc | 70 thanks uncle – meanwhile the turkish president moons the pitiful peres at davos Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 30 2009 2:16 utc | 71 I have a buddy, Dan, who is a marvelous photographer. I really admire him for his talent, (he is one of the few photographers I wish I shot like) and he always sending me images from his latest assignment or project, to fan the flames of envy and keep me dreaming about maybe trying to restart my former career. Posted by: David | Jan 30 2009 4:34 utc | 72 Teşekkür ederim bay Erdogan – Thank you Mr. Erdogan Yuk!!!
Posted by: Fran | Jan 30 2009 17:34 utc | 74 I’ve spent the morning listening to Wallace Shawn’s The Fever, recommended above by Malooga. Astonishing honesty. How do I go on with my day after listening to this piece? By willing myself to obliviousness once again, and begging forgiveness again and again.
Posted by: catlady | Jan 30 2009 17:52 utc | 75 For some reason I turned up the volume on the TV tonight when a picture flashed up if amerikan prez Obama sitting back in his chair legs splayed wide, obviously in full denunciation mode, while another bloke sitting next to him all hunched up, hung his head in shame.
Remember that phrase which became so popular in the 90’s, Cognitive dissonance? Cognitive dissonance, we were told, was uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 30 2009 19:03 utc | 76 catlady Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 30 2009 23:09 utc | 77 b, something is up with typepad, posts don’t appear for many minutes after posting leading many to post again. Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 31 2009 11:33 utc | 79 b, something is up with typepad, posts don’t appear for many minutes after posting leading many to post again. catlady- Posted by: Malooga | Jan 31 2009 13:07 utc | 81 uncle #50, re Minds Effectively Erased Posted by: annie | Jan 31 2009 16:35 utc | 82 recommended: From the front-line: Sean Langan and the Taliban – video
good interesting tale – funny: minute 50-65 interesting: all of it. De plus ça change…
Posted by: Fran | Feb 1 2009 8:06 utc | 86 Is this a repeat of the Awakening Councils program run in Iraq whereby the Taliban will be paid not to attack NATO forces? Shades of M & M Enterprises.
Brother, can you spare some change? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 1 2009 9:26 utc | 87 @b Posted by: b real | Feb 1 2009 20:06 utc | 88 Yes, I have noticed many page 2 & 3’s “disappeared” or with dead links. Posted by: Malooga | Feb 1 2009 23:07 utc | 90 re:89&90 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 2 2009 2:48 utc | 91 for example here’s one, From May 22, 2007, b’s The Violent U.S. Character it has three pages of comments however, pages 2&3 are not accessible… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 2 2009 3:12 utc | 92 @88 – the comments on pages 3 & 3 of the “behind fighting piracy” thread have completely disappeared. please tell me they’re not lost for good! yes, they are showing up now. however, they did disappear for at least a period this afternoon. i verified this on two separate machines just to rule out it being an issue on the client end. uncle’s link at #92 works for me now too. glad to see there was no data loss, anyhow. Posted by: b real | Feb 2 2009 6:26 utc | 94 This link to a January 30 page from China Matters, probably already noted here, is worth a look. So too is this link on Erdogan Brouhaha at Davos. Both contain further links, and both topics might merit “front pageing” here. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Feb 2 2009 9:07 utc | 95 |
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