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December 25, 2008
The Yuan Goes To Trade

As the U.S. dollar is likely to sink further relative to other currencies, its status as the main monetary exchange medium in world trade will be looked on unfavorably by a lot of trading partners.

The euro has its own trouble and will not take the dollars role either.

I expect a trade weighted bundle of three currencies to be the future monetary exchange medium. For a start one third dollar, one third euro and one third renminbi/yuan with periodical modifications if trade balances deviate between these anchors.

This was futuristic as China until now used the dollar as exchange medium in external trade and tightly coupled the yuan to the dollar. But now the first steps are taken to use the yuan in foreign trade:

BEIJING,
Dec. 25 —
The yuan will be used in transactions with neighboring trade partners as part of a pilot project – in what could be the first step on the road to making it an international currency.

The Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region and Yunnan province will be allowed to use the yuan to settle trade payments with ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) members.

The mainland's trade with Hong Kong, Macao and ASEAN nations has been rising rapidly over the past years to reach $402.7 billion last year, or 20 percent of the mainland's total trade volume.

It is a big move and one of the long term adjustments that will follow from the current crisis.

Comments

The euro has its own trouble and will not take the dollars role either.
You could have taken this statement further, b. Although I would never deny that the European economy is not in good shape, the reason that the euro has held up well against the dollar and the pound is the conservatism of the central European economies, that is, of France and Germany. That is not to say that they will not decline, but decline slower and recover slower. The reputation of the euro progresses, not necessarily in relation to the real value of the euro. I can go to Turkmenistan, for example (as I did in October), and the euro is as valid as the dollar.
The Yuan might be that way in the future, but not yet. One reason might be the intense nationalism of the Chinese, with little interest in the outside world. They may be able to force their currency on some foreign partners, but those partners may not be keen.

Posted by: Alex | Dec 25 2008 20:40 utc | 1

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Posted by: b | Dec 25 2008 20:41 utc | 2

Yes, a big move… And it isn’t intended to stop at trade. Xinhua again:
Senior official: Renminbi likely to be used as currency for forex reserves

China’s currency, Renminbi, is likely to join other international currencies to be used for forex reserves by other economies, according to Wu Xiaoling, former vice governor of the country’s central bank and now the deputy head of the financial and economic committee under the top legislature.
Wu made the remarks in her article carried by the latest annual issue of the leading business magazine Caijing.
Wu wrote that China should make preparations in its economic structure and its financial regime for its currency to be internationalized.
Prior to making the Renminbi, also called yuan, a currency used for forex reserves by other economies, it may be allowed to be used for trade settlements between China and some other countries and regions, according to Wu.
In China’s neighboring countries, there were calls for the yuan to be used to settle bilateral trade payments, she said. China has signed settlement agreements with eight neighboring countries, including Russia, Mongolia, Vietnam and Myanmar, assuming a voluntarily choice of settlement currency, she added.
(snip)

Convertibility comes with known risks, of course. I assume China will have prepared its counterplays. This promises some very interesting forex skirmishes in the future, but it is anybody’s guess if we, the lowly people, will be in any position to care.

Posted by: Alamet | Dec 25 2008 22:05 utc | 3

May I remind my friends here that the moa master narrative was: american “empire” destroyed by strategic overreach and collapsing domestic economy. Euro reigns supreme, fueled by China exports to everybody except amercan devils.
Probably, in the next ten-twenty years the dollar will be as strong as any other. Why? US will export recession via weak dollar while reconstructing domestic manufacture. Continuing deflation will ward off inflation, so the US can just counterfeit its way our of recession, I suppose.
And Europe? Man, Europe is in trouble. Great knowledge economy, but aging workers and racist policies restricting immigrant labor.
And China? Maybe the facsist nationalism can keep dreadfully underpaid workers happy, but unless it can grow domestic consumption, the yuan will flounder even as the Chinese communists spend those depreciating trillions on whatever.
The US is actually not in such bad shape, if you believe as I don’t in the natural wonders of the business cycle.
In a way, don’t you think it would be better just to reinflate the credit bubble and let the good times role? It sure was good for American consumers and some developing countries.
And what about the yen, the mark? (Sorry, my bad).

Posted by: slothrop | Dec 25 2008 23:06 utc | 4

The Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region and Yunnan province will be allowed to use the yuan to settle trade payments with ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) members.
something jumped out at me while looking into the pressure for pak to sign the trade treaty. i linked in the pak/india thread about the biladeral agreement between pak and india in the brew , this trade show opening up more trade between pak and india, but this report Pakistan is partner country at India International Trade Fair frames it differently.
New Delhi, Nov 9 (IANS) Pakistan is the partner country at this year’s India International Trade Fair to be held at the sprawling Pragati Maidan exhibition grounds Nov 14 to 27. Infrastructure development in India and women’s empowerment are the two focal themes of this year’s fair, now in its 28th edition, with Orissa as the partner state and Karnataka as the focus state.
Delegations from 35 countries from Japan to the US are participating in the fair that will also focus on the 10-member Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN), said the organisers, the commerce ministry’s India Trade Promotion Organisation (ITPO).
pak and india mending, pak being promoted by india w/focus on asean, yaun being traded to asean..yaun being traded by pak/pak coming down the road?? pak and india mending could be somebodies worst nightmare. especially a country who is proposing a draft so far only signed by Uruguay and Rwanda. especially the country (US)that is paks biggest trading partner.

Posted by: annie | Dec 26 2008 1:03 utc | 5

I’m hoping that our government in NZ where a bilateral free trade agreement between NZ and China was ratified twelve months ago will also get in on the trial Yuan trade settlements.
That is by no means certain as the new government is headed by a party traditionally ‘owned’ by USuk, but they are also owned by a NZ farming sector who have suffered greatly and irrationally (in the sense that the large chunk of our export trade to China should have been irrelevant to NY investment banks machinations) from $US instability, the value of which has been up and down like whore’s drawers.
The only purpose for using the $US as a reserve currency was its supposed stability when other ‘smaller’ currencies were more susceptible to manipulation, speculation and the resulting fluctuation. However now that fate has befallen the $US so dramatically it is plain foolish to settle exports in a currency that can cause huge changes in two nations terms of trade unconnected to the economic relationship between the two nations.
It is likely that the rise in the value of the $US which was on the back of large scale flight into treasuries will reverse when as been noted here and elsewhere, those nations such as China who hold too much US paper for their own good move into their new post sub-prime investment strategy.
And that will cause yet another bout of instability in what should be a stable reserve currency. Who needs that?
I couldn’t help but notice that the current media outlet of choice for promoting the myth of the amerikan economy’s ‘alpha dog’ status, The Economist, has been pushing the notion of there being massive failures in the Chinese and Indian economies in 2009.
Every article about China neglects to mention that the contraction in China’s growth down to a mere 8 or 9% was long planned for. That in addition to the inevitable post Olympic contraction, China introduced comprehensive labour laws which caused a long planned for reduction in the myriad numbers of fly by night contract manufacturers. The result an also long-anticipated reduction in the manufacturing labour force.
Yet as this thread from the China Law Blog in November 07 shows westerners only considered the rather minimal effects these changes would have on western particularly amerikan corporation’s bottom line, rather than the Chinese point of view which was an expected and planned for contraction in the domestic labour force and a reduction in economic growth.
That provided ‘proof’ that the chinese were gonna suffer for their efficiency and gall for being owed so much by amerika, which the elites pumped out to be lapped up by complacent amerikans who are allowing themselves to be ripped off by the elite because of the false assumption that they aren’t and won’t cop as much from the recession as people in China or India.
Yeah right, China is still going to enjoy growth at close to 9%, nearly all of that the result of a rise in domestic demand at the same time as workers in China are getting a substantial enhancement in their working conditions.
Amerika on the other hand is suffering a large contraction in domestic demand at the same time as workers will be forced to endure a set-back in employment conditions (see what will go off in detroit Q1 2009).
I realise this comment will inspire the apologists for empire along with the gullible “Uncle Mao bad – Uncle Sam great” crowd to shout loudly about how much better life is alleged to be for the average amerikan in comparison to the average chinaman’s lot, but as the economists and pols like to spout “It’s not about the current position, it’s about the underlying trend”.
The underlying trend is for china to go forwards while amerika and the other western economies go backwards.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 26 2008 1:52 utc | 6

Yeah right, China is still going to enjoy growth at close to 9%

I had assumed that China would weather this crisis pretty well, but more and more it seems like they’re running off track. They seem determined to maintain the round-robin system of exports to the USA paid for by money lent from China, to the extent of introducing new subsidies and other trade distortions. We tried to do this same thing with smoot-hawley and it led to a 30% fall in U.S. GDP. A trade war/devaluation frenzy would have a far worse impact on China than on the USA, just as in the 30s the USA suffered far worse than Britain and other European countries.
As to the Yuan becoming a world reserve currency, we are a LONG way from that. In fact, China recently restored the hard yuan-dollar peg; certainly there is no question of the yuan coming into widespread risk until China’s currency markets achieve a bare minimum of freedom and transparency. Currency preference is a function of inertia (how many other people use it?), stability of the currency itself, and political interference risk/default risk of the issuing entity. The yuan does not enjoy the first advantage, is neutral on the second, and on the third is a much worse bet than Uncle Sam.
China’s growth rate may already be under 2%, headed for zero.
Hu Jintao announces export subsidies and yuan devaluation.

Posted by: Matt | Dec 26 2008 3:59 utc | 7

the Chinese govt has done a pretty decent job of steering valuable export-oriented components out of its rural economies into global-facing export-oriented entities. And it has also wisely allowed entities in its rural economies to get in the export game if & when they choose to. So far so good and this mix has generated massive export growth for China. But allowing this status-quo to continue means leaving money on the export table. It seems the Chinese govt wants to further streamline its economy and it sees the new labor-law as the best bang for the buck.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Dec 26 2008 7:21 utc | 8

So two links to more poorly sourced exaggerations about China’s “economic woes” made me laugh. Blogs reporting blogs reporting blogs. The closure of the fly by night toy and low tech manufacturing factories was already in the planning for China’s leap forward, before the western financial infrastructure meltdown.
Strange as it may seem the Chinese leadership no longer sees much value in the old school factories with zero pollution controls and worse than sweatshop working conditions. Chinese factory owners were undercutting each other for the privilege of allowing any profits made off the goods being made offshore. Of course the foreign owned low tech factories were at even greater pains to keep costs in China to a minimum which meant a negative net benefit to China as pollution controls were ignored and workers material benefits were going backwards in an inflationary economy.
The western media has continued to portray all of these developments in a negative light, understandable from the point of view that manufacturing costs in China are rising and they wish to try and mitigate that but the stories are too one sided and missing the point that most of the changes and their effects were planned for several years ago as part of China’s strategy in moving forwards.
Although the western media likes to use the failure of the western, amerikan dominated economic system as being the driving force behind the chinese contraction which it isn’t. Then it tries to argue that the inevitable closures of dangerous, polluting and poorly paying businesses was unexpected which is also untrue.
We need to examine the basic premise put forward by western media, that this contraction occurring synchronously with the west’s financial meltdown is bad for China. When the inevitable (in the sense that the Chinese central government had long decided they needed to go) closure of businesses during a global recession may in fact be a good thing.
Certainly better than the businesses closing down during a boom allowing manufacturing share to be lost to sweatshops opening in India and other countries more prepared to wear the pollution and waste that China’s central government has decided is too high a price. In a recession when corporations are notoriously reluctant to increase capital expenditure, staying put and continuing to manufacture out of China despite an increase in running costs may be the only viable option.
China’s central government is concerned that provincial government’s unhealthy relationship with the businesses in their area has previously allowed corrupt situations to fester to the point where social unrest has become ‘uncomfortable’. The recent closures portrayed in western media as being a potential cause of social unrest are seen by central government as necessary to prevent social unrest.
So the real question is who is a better judge of what is likely to occur in Chinese communities. The Chinese government with access and input into the opinions held across the breadth of China, particularly in the ‘economic development zones’ – or western media with limited understanding of what it is they are observing and a history of portraying all change in China in the worst possible light?
Since amerikan financial media has hardly made a single accurate call on future developments within their own economies in the past few years, and given their vain belief that the media are responsible for renewing investor and consumer confidence in western business systems (ie corporate capitalism) it is not unreasonable to conclude that this pre-occupation has clouded amerikan and allied media’s ability to make informed and accurate judgements about what is actually happening in China.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 26 2008 8:08 utc | 9

The Madoff scheme will work just fine.. against you.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11488

Posted by: Stephane | Dec 26 2008 9:18 utc | 10

Good one Stephane, When a Mort Zuckerman cries about getting screwed by a ponzi scheme, you know that’s a ponzi scheme in itself. It’s a comic book Gotham we’re living in here, minus of course, the super hero. Always, because the savior is a fantasy. That much you can count on to be the most important part of the plan.

Posted by: anna missed | Dec 26 2008 10:06 utc | 11

Although the western media likes to use the failure of the western, amerikan dominated economic system as being the driving force behind the chinese contraction which it isn’t. Then it tries to argue that the inevitable closures of dangerous, polluting and poorly paying businesses was unexpected which is also untrue.
We need to examine the basic premise put forward by western media, that this contraction occurring synchronously with the west’s financial meltdown is bad for China. When the inevitable (in the sense that the Chinese central government had long decided they needed to go) closure of businesses during a global recession may in fact be a good thing.
Certainly better than the businesses closing down during a boom allowing manufacturing share to be lost to sweatshops opening in India and other countries more prepared to wear the pollution and waste that China’s central government has decided is too high a price. In a recession when corporations are notoriously reluctant to increase capital expenditure, staying put and continuing to manufacture out of China despite an increase in running costs may be the only viable option.

Er… yes, a major fall in demand for Chinese exports is bad for China. Closure of businesses is only a “good thing” in the sense that overcapacity exists, and needs to be pared back. This process is necessary but hardly encouraging for China’s short-term growth prospects.
As to your assertions that the recession is part of some grand design by China’s central planners, that’s just something you’ve conjured up, with no basis in fact. China has been attempting to restrain economic growth for some time – but the speed and depth of the global crisis has quite obviously caught them flatfooted, along with just about everyone else. They went through the same roller-coaster we saw in every other country, lurching in the space of a few months from worries about runaway inflation to worries about anemic growth. This is why interest rates are going down rather than up, why the yuan is being held down, and why export rebates are being raised rather than cut. But don’t believe me – take it from the horse’s mouth.

China’s central government is concerned that provincial government’s unhealthy relationship with the businesses in their area has previously allowed corrupt situations to fester to the point where social unrest has become ‘uncomfortable’. The recent closures portrayed in western media as being a potential cause of social unrest are seen by central government as necessary to prevent social unrest.

Nonsense. To fight corruption you put people in jail (or execute them in China). You don’t tell bosses to lock the doors and skip town, inciting a riot when workers show up the next morning to collect their paychecks. Firing workers, shuttering businesses, and reducing economic activity is a very strange way of preventing social unrest. I have no idea whether serious unrest is a real possibility, but it is definitely more likely when the economy is doing poorly. Quite obviously, the Chinese government wants to see low unemployment and strong economic growth, as do policymakers in every country.

So the real question is who is a better judge of what is likely to occur in Chinese communities. The Chinese government with access and input into the opinions held across the breadth of China, particularly in the ‘economic development zones’ – or western media with limited understanding of what it is they are observing and a history of portraying all change in China in the worst possible light?

Demand for Chinese exports will fall regardless of public opinion. The question is what the Chinese government will do about it, and how other countries will react.

Posted by: Matt | Dec 26 2008 10:12 utc | 12

Although the western media likes to use the failure of the western, amerikan dominated economic system as being the driving force behind the chinese contraction which it isn’t. Then it tries to argue that the inevitable closures of dangerous, polluting and poorly paying businesses was unexpected which is also untrue.
We need to examine the basic premise put forward by western media, that this contraction occurring synchronously with the west’s financial meltdown is bad for China. When the inevitable (in the sense that the Chinese central government had long decided they needed to go) closure of businesses during a global recession may in fact be a good thing.
Certainly better than the businesses closing down during a boom allowing manufacturing share to be lost to sweatshops opening in India and other countries more prepared to wear the pollution and waste that China’s central government has decided is too high a price. In a recession when corporations are notoriously reluctant to increase capital expenditure, staying put and continuing to manufacture out of China despite an increase in running costs may be the only viable option.

Er… yes, a major fall in demand for Chinese exports is bad for China. If the government did want to shut down profitable businesses or industries, it’s obviously worse to do it during a recession: other “good” businesses are shutting down as well, hurting growth and increasing unemployment, while the workers and physical plant will not be rapidly re-employed as they would be during a boom. Closure of businesses is only a good thing in the sense that overcapacity exists, and needs to be cut back. This process is necessary but hardly encouraging for China’s short-term growth prospects.
As to your claims that the recession is part of some grand design by China’s central planners, that’s just something you’ve conjured up, with no basis in fact. China has been attempting to restrain excess growth for some time – but the speed and depth of the global crisis has obviously caught them flatfooted, along with just about everyone else. They went through the same roller-coaster we saw in every other country, lurching in the space of a few months from worries about runaway inflation to worries about anemic growth. This is why interest rates are going down rather than up, why the yuan is being held down, and why export rebates are being raised rather than cut. But don’t believe me – take it from the horse’s mouth.

China’s central government is concerned that provincial government’s unhealthy relationship with the businesses in their area has previously allowed corrupt situations to fester to the point where social unrest has become ‘uncomfortable’. The recent closures portrayed in western media as being a potential cause of social unrest are seen by central government as necessary to prevent social unrest.

Nonsense. To fight corruption you put people in jail (or execute them, in China). You don’t tell bosses to lock the doors and skip town, inciting a riot when workers show up the next morning to collect their paychecks. Firing workers, shuttering businesses, and reducing economic activity is a very strange way of preventing social unrest. I have no idea whether serious unrest is a real possibility, seems pretty unlikely, but it is definitely more likely when the economy is doing poorly. Quite obviously, the Chinese government wants to see low unemployment and strong economic growth, as do policymakers in just about every country.

So the real question is who is a better judge of what is likely to occur in Chinese communities. The Chinese government with access and input into the opinions held across the breadth of China, particularly in the ‘economic development zones’ – or western media with limited understanding of what it is they are observing and a history of portraying all change in China in the worst possible light?

Demand for Chinese exports will fall regardless of public opinion. The question is what the Chinese government will do about it, and how other countries will react.

Posted by: Matt | Dec 26 2008 10:25 utc | 13

As yet, China is not controlled by the moneylenders. Once they gain control the national economy is dead until the looting is completed and the parasites move on to a new, living body. The American body is still twitching, so there is some time to go.

Posted by: Fred | Dec 26 2008 10:28 utc | 14

hmmm double post ftw…

The Madoff scheme will work just fine.. against you.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11488

Definitely something strange about the whole thing, I thought it was funny that none of the reporting discusses exactly how Madoff was able to get away with it for so long. At the same time, Madoff’s performance DID raise red flags to many people, and some of those people sent long letters to the SEC about it… but nothing was done.

Posted by: Matt | Dec 26 2008 10:30 utc | 15

It’s all water under the bridge but that China got full most favored nation trade status and I think full WTO membership without having an external currency boggles the mind. It is crucial to understand that China did not ‘save’ the dollars garnered in trade and then ‘reinvest’ it in Treasuries and agencies. Instead their exporters took the dollars they had been paid and exchanged them for RNB’s, which the Chinese central bank printed. Then those dollars went into purchasing treasuries and agencies. This was monetary expansion on a grand scale.
But still water under the bridge. If I was selling something to China would I take payment in RNB’s? Probably not. Nothing can be done with them. You cannot spend them and you can not deposit them in an interest bearing account. Except perhaps with a Chinese bank and while most big banks worldwide are bankrupt are the Chinese ones any better? Nobody knows. The only one who will exchange them for other currencies is the Chinese central bank, i suppose. At a rate that is dictated. I could go on.
The world monetary system is dysfunctional. The RNB’s status as an internal currency is just another layer of weirdness in the whole bizarre contraption.
Somebody at the world bank calculated world money supply doubled from 01 to 08. Who knows if that is right but no doubt the world has seen the greatest monetary expansion in history this century. Yet still, now, there isn’t enough money to service all the debt, by a long shot. It seems logical and perhaps inevitable that to get trade moving again new debt will have to be created on monetary units that are divorced from the current ones. Unencumbered by claims denominated in the old money on the old defaulted debts. The thing is a new system seems impossible to establish. It’s a puzzle.
Now that most governments and central banks seem determined to monetize damaged credits at full value and fund new government spending, the pricing of currencies gets only more problematical. Throw in that much of the worlds free capital is eager to the point of mania, to buy US Treasury paper at zero percent interest and…………… and, well, we are screwed

Posted by: rapier | Dec 26 2008 13:03 utc | 16

@12
You don’t tell bosses to lock the doors and skip town, inciting a riot when workers show up the next morning to collect their paychecks. Firing workers, shuttering businesses, and reducing economic activity is a very strange way of preventing social unrest.
legitimate Chinese companies that add real value are not the targets.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Dec 26 2008 13:28 utc | 17

rapier 16) – This is definitely the part of the movie where the bow of the Titanic angles deeper and deeper, dead stop, breathless cold, and the stern rises high into the moonless black, faceless bodies falling like clotted snowflakes in velvet night.
One last signal flare, as the ship shudders and hurtles down into the deepest abyss.
I see a beautiful city and a brilliant people rising from this abyss, and, in their struggles to be truly free, in their triumphs and defeats, through long years to come, I see the evil of this time and of the previous time of which this is the natural birth, gradually making expiation for itself and wearing out.
You’re either busy livin’, or busy dyin’, more time in play than ever before, again.

Posted by: Charles Darnier | Dec 27 2008 7:43 utc | 18

Hmm I see ‘matt’ didn’t disappoint. It must be easy to sell the lies of empire to those such as he who are plainly incapable of thinking clearly from one point to the next.
For example when I made the point about the Chinese government having a better idea of what tensions are in communities and whether Chinese citizens are likely to tolerate the changes to labour laws than some passing western journalist, he responded with some blather about demand for Chinese products falling.
I can’t understand what the fuck that leap in logic is meant to show, but given that China’s central planners have shifted the economic focus for the next few years on to domestic growth, it is reasonable to assume that contractions in export markets aren’t their number one priority.
That is too say they understand that which so many capitalist leaders fail to comprehend, that a nation which exports more than it imports for an extended period will eventually end up impoverished, so have decided that the bulk of Chinese industry will focus on servicing domestic markets for the next while (this decision had also been made long before amerikan banks went tits up, dragging most other western banks with them).
China’s economy has expanded to the point it has reached sufficient momentum to keep itself moving, independent of what is happening with exports.
Doubtless I will be told that I made that up too, just like I was told I ‘made up’ the notion that China’s leadership have carefully planned the changes to labour laws. That China’s slow but painstakingly thorough executive decision-making only takes so long because the pols are like amerikan pols, too busy lying to the citizens to bother to get properly across issues (getting across issues is what the experts hired by lobbyists are expected to do, not the sleek, combed-over buffoons in congress) much less having time for analysis and development of policy.
I suggest Matt actually goes and watches what a mid level politician or technocrat in China actually does 24/7, before that pol or technocrat decides to support a new law that will fundamentally change the relationship between employer and employee right across China’s huge workforce.
As is stated in this abstract of a paper entitled China’s New Labour Contract Law: Responding to the Growing Complexity of Labour Relations in the PRC ( a joint work of the University of Melbourne and Anhui University in Hefei, People’s Republic of China):

China’s new Labour Contract Law is the most significant reform to the law of employment relations in more than a decade. Its final form emerged following highly contentious debates over the terms of earlier drafts – debates involving not only a range of Chinese actors, but also international business lobbyists and labour organisations. The Law as enacted represents a compromise between the competing demands of these many interest groups.

This was no legislating on the hoof- I worked with a young chap from the PRC in Canberra back in the mid 90’s he was studying the policy our department (Dept of Employment, Education and Training) was working to then. The object was to look all around the world at the best and worst labour markets, the most unregulated, the most heavily regulated, the best and the worst regulated, and then implement the most suitable model for the PRC.
The Chinese technocrats were well aware of the impact these changes would have on the labour market in the short term, and there is no doubt that many of the foreign corporaions now pushing tales of China’s alleged employment woes are the same corporations which tried to pressure the Chinese technocrats into adopting a more laissez faire (ie unregulated) labour market.
Many greedheads got pissed off . More short term selfish western thinking. They imagined they could persuade the powers that be in China that there was a shared interest in having a system which favoured foreign corporations ahead of Chinese workers. From High Beam research:

Workforce management executives with responsibilities for operations in China have six months to comply with the nation’s proposed new Labor Contracts Law, a set of sweeping reforms in employment regulations and unionization now in the final stages of approval and scheduled to become effective January 1. Under the new law, employers will be required to offer employment contracts to all workers and to comply with much tighter restrictions on dismissals and layoffs and to provide more severance pay. In addition, the new law promotes unionization and, perhaps most important, provides for industrywide agreements in some sectors.

Of course China isn’t an exercise in perfection but it amazes me that allegedly intelligent westerners can think that China’s engagement with capitalism would mean that the society would adopt western capitalist ethos holus bolus, that they would go “Oh we’ve been completely wrong about everything we’ve done the past 5000 years, we’ll just adopt the crazy government by economic fashion-trend system of amerika. After all they have been around over two hundred years. They say they are the richest nation ever, even though they can’t pay their bills. What is the current fashion? Neo-lib for a couple more seasons? That’s right! No union representation, throw OHS out the window. Then that’s what we will do too!”
Now that would get those citizens at the bottom of the heap in China rioting. They have been promised a share. They were long told that rather than a western style ‘trickle down’ as soon as China could afford it, the leadership would pro-actively move to ensure the benefits of this leap forward did reach the masses.
As I wrote above, Chinese authorities were well aware that this would cause a short term labour market contraction, and they planned for that and will deal with issues as they arise.
Oh fuck I’m gonna be talking in circles, no matter what any of us who have actually considered what it is that China is trying to achieve, say, those who prefer to get their ideas about what goes on in ‘furren’ nations from the same source as they get the lies about what their own pols are up to, will always consider China to be some black-hearted beast.
A beast that can have all the waste and excess these self deluded fools refuse to see in their own backyard, loaded onto it, and then used as a scapegoat for the deplorable condition western economies are in thanks the greed of those who ensure the fools are kept deluded.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 27 2008 10:57 utc | 19

I just wanna say that this is the only blog where I go back to see if there have come new comments to an interesting thread — the reason is that this the rare blog where comments are comments and not ego flip just to say something, or be the first, (I’m not excused from that venal sin…)
That said, I concur that what many and, in particular, DOD, point out: that China cannot be understood through West World eyeglasses and ideology.
The bottom line, as far as I can see, is that, barred eco- geo-catastrophes, what will determine its continuation is keeping corruption in the party below a certain level and listening/understanding the will/wants of the Chinese people.

Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Dec 27 2008 17:14 utc | 20

Of course China isn’t an exercise in perfection but it amazes me that allegedly intelligent westerners can think that China’s engagement with capitalism would mean that the society would adopt western capitalist ethos holus bolus
UH. Wrong:

Though manufacturing in China is a low-wage sector, in high-wage provinces pay in manufacturing can be close to, or even slightly above, national average pay rates. Thus an increase in the manufacturing share of employment would not necessarily increase overall inequality in China: the contribution of a sector whose average pay is close to the national average to overall inequality is necessarily small. This is sufficient to explain why strong growth
in export-oriented manufacturing employment need not have had dramatic impact – one way or the other — on the inequalities of Chinese society. In contrast, the much higher incomes in
banking, utilities, government and real estate in Beijing have a powerful effect on inequality; there is little else in the country quite like them.

Without exports, dominated by US demand, growth would be much lower. And the growth has been internalized by tiny rentier class.
Same old, same old, Debs.

Posted by: slothrop | Dec 27 2008 18:13 utc | 21

It’s Jamie Galbraith, stooge of empire. Sorry for not finding your facts in Counterpunch.

Posted by: slothrop | Dec 27 2008 18:15 utc | 22

#21 linking to the university of texas
texas?, u may ask!
yeah, great source to understand china, indeed

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 27 2008 19:02 utc | 23

annie at 5, that was interesting.. Trade and science continue their merry ways, not reported in the US press. For ex. the US sends delegations to Iran for Science fairs and competitions, etc. (The winners if from the US are not carried by any paper or TV station ever.) Certainly there are other cooperative efforts I don’t know about and despite ‘sanctions’ many US cos. sell to Iran, trade exists if not brisk?
The US’ interests are officially represented by the Swiss embassy. The Swiss complain, they don’t like that proxy role…letters to the papers are virulent.
Here she is: link is in French, you have to copy paste it in (no accident that):
http://www.lesquotidiennes.com/politique/madame-l’ambassadrice-de-suisse-en-iran-se-dévoile.html
brief in Eng. from swiss info see last sentence:
link
The amazing thing is that US citizens are not informed, they don’t even know who represents whom…all they get is war agit prop…US official sites are incomplete, outdated, full of lies and propaganda, etc. etc.
Others follow suit and hide what they do as they are afraid…they follow the US example.
Livia is there to smooth commercial relations. But type her name in and you will see endless parags. about wearing a scarf! or not!

Posted by: Tangerine | Dec 27 2008 19:32 utc | 24