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December 16, 2008
OT 08-43
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The NYTimes editorial page gives us this heartwarming example of crackpot realism , and, from the same spooks, this heart-rending call for reform. I guess we should be happy that the CIA background of both authors is openly stated. From the second:
Perhaps “torture my mediocrity” is today’s version of the “banality of evil”. One can only wonder how such writings will be viewed a few decades from now by historians trying to understand the depths of the U.S. security psychosis. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 16 2008 9:09 utc | 1
The Career of Cold War Psychology
The Leaky Ship of Human Terrain Systems Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 16 2008 11:24 utc | 2 ‘Human Terrain’ Murder Suspect Out on Bail Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 16 2008 11:44 utc | 3 Wikileaks: US military: Human Terrain Team Handbook, Sep 2008 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 16 2008 11:49 utc | 4 The problem of such ‘scientific’ approaches to domination is that they won’t work if it is plain obvious even to a sheep herder that the colonizers are there for their own benefit and against your benefit. And that is the definition of any imperial domination project. Posted by: ThePaper | Dec 16 2008 13:23 utc | 5 It wasn’t called “Human Terrain”, nor was it even a coherent project, when I left the field of anthropology in disgust, but the internecine war has been raging since 2003. I witnessed it breaking apart many personal and professional relationships early on. The anthro department of my alma mater was moved (either by or with the complicity of the chair of the department, and my former mentor) so that in order to visit the offices, one now has to pass through an entire floor dedicated to the ROTC. There’s no question in my mind about which side has won. Principled stands in academia can’t compete with federal funds. Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 16 2008 15:04 utc | 7 from counterpunch
how could they not be targets? they are part of the operation whose mission (as made clear in the ‘Essence of HTS’ graph on pg 29 of the handbook) it is threat identification > threat elimination. on pg 26 under ‘roles and responsibility’ it states as a key task ‘cultural preparation of the environment'(CPO) which is similar to traditional Intelligence Preparation of the Battlefield (IPB). Posted by: annie | Dec 16 2008 18:02 utc | 8 CIA Posted by: Buckaroo | Dec 16 2008 18:11 utc | 9 NATO Supply Route Imperiled As Pakistani Truckers Refuse To Carry Goods Posted by: Dick Durata | Dec 16 2008 20:48 utc | 10 Hold up folks, the above and repeated below are not mine, they are comments that somehow got added in with out me seeing them when I cut and pasted, it was a combo of just waking up and sloppy cut and paste job. Way to early to be posting I guess. Sorry.
As for the HTT bullshit, I have been and am complete disgusted with it. The Author David Price (counterpunch article) is one of my mentors. And I am also a signer to the Network of Concerned Anthropologists. We are well aware, that as one page there say’s, the Human Terrain Mapping “Enables the Entire Kill Chain for the GWOT”.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 16 2008 22:55 utc | 11 Thanks for clearing that up, Uncle. I thought that seemed a bit out of line with my perception of your character when I read it the first time. Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 17 2008 3:40 utc | 12 All of academia is being subsumed to this Global War Golom. Posted by: Cerar Joachim | Dec 17 2008 4:08 utc | 13 Welfare Rolls See First Climb in Years
What I find most disturbing about this isn’t so much the article, as bad as it is, but the discussions we’ve had recently about US food and gas supplies some of us have had recently. I had yet another experience at one of the local grocery stores, they were out of a certain brand of eggs, of all things, and didn’t have any in stock, after inquiring I was yet again told in no uncertain terms, that it is not the stores responsibility, that it was the vendors. I further inquired and was told that all stock these days are out sourced in this fashion, and this is after, checking with various different chains. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 17 2008 8:56 utc | 14 Sorry Uncle $cam. I actually read the comments from the linked page but I didn’t notice that that sentence came from those same comments. Posted by: ThePaper | Dec 17 2008 11:13 utc | 15 For b & debs is dead, Posted by: shanks | Dec 17 2008 15:07 utc | 17 great link shanks Posted by: annie | Dec 17 2008 17:37 utc | 18 Bolivian President Evo Morales is at it again; talking the words of a ayahuasca drenched sorcerer from the jungles of non scientific indigenous primitives.
Although the major portion of the article are his recommendations for adoption at the upcoming summit on climate change in Copenhagen, other gems of primitive insight shine through:
But we all already knew this. As usual the voices of the indigenous peoples of the world seem to make much more common sense than the reductionist voices of Western civilization. Posted by: Juannie | Dec 17 2008 21:13 utc | 19 (This must be the longest article published in the Post this year.)
Much more at the link… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 18 2008 3:22 utc | 20 Speaking of 911, CT AND other things undone…
and this
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 18 2008 3:44 utc | 21 Compare
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 18 2008 4:11 utc | 22 transcripts from the ‘no’ panelists @ last w/e’s “great harlem debate” “Was the Election of Barack Obama Good for Black People? Yes or No?”
event overview from davey d, including link for full audio of the entire debate Posted by: b real | Dec 18 2008 4:53 utc | 23
Badger has also picked up the story with more details. Posted by: Juan Moment | Dec 18 2008 11:06 utc | 24 TypePad has began sporadically demanding that I sign-in before I can post a comment. Not being a member, I can’t sign-in; and I’d rather not register for anything. Can this be resolved? Posted by: Alamet | Dec 18 2008 21:17 utc | 26 better late than never is right hannah Posted by: annie | Dec 19 2008 0:00 utc | 27 CSM Posted by: annie | Dec 19 2008 0:18 utc | 28 shoot, sorry my blockquote malfunctioned, or more likely i malfunctioned while blockquoting. Posted by: annie | Dec 19 2008 0:19 utc | 29 Can this be resolved? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 19 2008 1:05 utc | 30 I don’t know if this as been linked to before but the following extracts are an interesting view of the Mumbai events. By Sandhya Jain. Posted by: estouxim | Dec 19 2008 3:28 utc | 31
Posted by: Lizard | Dec 19 2008 6:28 utc | 33 Zionism: Shady land deal unfolds from West Bank to California strip mall
while the rest of us wake up from the lullaby Posted by: annie | Dec 19 2008 18:59 utc | 35 i meant scot- free, not shot free. although he did commit suicide, or so they say. Posted by: annie | Dec 19 2008 19:05 utc | 36 i predict within our lifetime a poor person who is not controlled by corporate interests will NEVER be president and first spouse. it WILL NEVER happen. mark my words. Posted by: Malooga | Dec 19 2008 19:20 utc | 37 i can easily believe that malooga, however it is OT wrt the issue i was addressing. Posted by: annie | Dec 19 2008 19:42 utc | 38 IOW, lizards poem addresses numerous issues. in certain regards i agree there is no change, in this particular social issue aflame in the current news cycle wrt the homophobewarren and prop 8, i very much think a change is gonna come. i think we can bank on it. even 10 years ago no gays could marry in the US, now they can albeit not everywhere. they can’t hold this flood back. many more gay people are no longer in the closet. children who are gay are coming out at puberty. i think we are just waking up as a culture to how many of us are gay. this is a social issue and i am not convinced they are held by the same constraints as economies. for example, the right to work..this was the issue for gays in calif in the 70’s, not only that but the threat of being fired to anyone who even supported a gay lifestyle could have had their employment threatened. that is history. why? because times have changed. minds have changed. Posted by: annie | Dec 19 2008 19:53 utc | 39 thank you for the heart-felt comments annie. one thing that does represent change is me, and many members of my generation. If my son is gay, he has two loving parents that won’t blink when it comes to supporting him. Posted by: Lizard | Dec 19 2008 20:38 utc | 40 i’m so god-damned tire of religious intolerance, that the fact this homophobe asshole is given a national stage disgusts me. the fight continues… Posted by: annie | Dec 19 2008 21:45 utc | 41 The first wave.Praise the lawd.
I’m to tired to look it up right now, but does anyone remember right before the onset of the Iraq war the first wave was missionaries. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 19 2008 23:17 utc | 42 Gee, I can’t wait for the first Gay Secretary of
Of course, this was when we had a Black Sec’y of State. What did our Black President, then Senator, have to say about this?
Posted by: Malooga | Dec 20 2008 1:30 utc | 44 for the first time ever, i have come to the moon and not seen r’giap listed on the right. i’ve been buried under a mountain of end of semester projects and am out of touch. is he okay? can anyone shed light? Posted by: sharon | Dec 20 2008 2:22 utc | 45 for the first time ever, i have come to the moon and not seen r’giap listed on the right. i’ve been buried under a mountain of end of semester projects and am out of touch. is he okay? can anyone shed light? Posted by: sharon | Dec 20 2008 2:23 utc | 46 malooga, maybe something i said suggested to you i think gay marriage is the most important issue to me right now, or more important than poor people. Posted by: annie | Dec 20 2008 3:16 utc | 48 and another thing. as i mentioned earlier it is very telling this is what people see and feel. if they want to unite over it so what? so what? you don’t plan what change is going to come, it comes and you roll w/the waves of it. maybe these people, maybe its just there turn, maybe its there decade, their century. maybe the poor will always be poor. this train has left the station and there’s no turning it back. does it make me angry gays may marry before we leave iraq????????? Posted by: annie | Dec 20 2008 3:28 utc | 49 sorry. i shouldn’t have gone off like that. i’m going to turn off my computer and have a drink, bury my head and hope you’ll all forgive me by the morn. Posted by: annie | Dec 20 2008 4:09 utc | 50 Personally i appreciate it when someone can go off on a friday nite and the worst thing they do is throw around some damn’s and fuck’s and still not turn personally insulting or ad hominemish. Cheers. Posted by: d.l.finn | Dec 20 2008 4:42 utc | 51 @44Anyway, when y’all stop chattering… Posted by: Lizard | Dec 20 2008 6:34 utc | 52 A full blast against the Pentagon in WaPo Outlook: The Pentagon is muscling in everywhere. It’s time to stop the mission creep.
Opposing (a little perversely) the argument advanced in the article cited by b @53, I should say that the Pentagon is best overwhelmed by tasks beyond its competence, at a speed and magnitude precluding any possible assimiliation of the tasks proposed. Posted by: alabama | Dec 20 2008 12:12 utc | 54 the Pentagon is best overwhelmed by tasks beyond its competence Posted by: Malooga | Dec 20 2008 13:54 utc | 55 Throwing shoes. Pfft. Amateurs. Real democracy doesn’t happen without sledgehammers and electric saws.
Americans do like to make sport of this kind of behaviour, which they feel is entirely inappropriate in a legislative setting and should only be reserved for use at Wal-Marts on the first shopping day of the Christmas holiday season. Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 20 2008 16:48 utc | 56 Over at Asia Times the generally reliable and percipient commentator, M K Bhadrakumar, weighs in with a contrarian analysis to the predominant view over here. He develops b’s line of thinking about Central Asian supply routes, and he certainly explains my puzzlement in August over the meaning over the seemingly inexplicable US/Isr reaction in the clearly instigated Georgian fracas. He does not appear concerned with the US running out of money or materiel. Below is a highly redacted version of the lengthy analysis. What do you think? Link at bottom.
Posted by: Malooga | Dec 20 2008 16:52 utc | 57 Also, an analysis of the Russia/Iran relationship: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JL20Ag01.html Posted by: Malooga | Dec 20 2008 16:56 utc | 58 uncle, this one’s for you..
Posted by: annie | Dec 20 2008 17:10 utc | 59 btw re 59, wsj’s marketwatch is actually reporting this story! shock of shocks, they usually stay clear of anything having to do w/the ongoing ohio election theft story.
will the really WH water carrying fishwrap msm(nyt/wapo) actually cover this??? Posted by: annie | Dec 20 2008 17:56 utc | 62 Malooga, Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 20 2008 18:29 utc | 63 Malooga, thank you for the Walter Ben Michaels excerpt @ 44, it is a very good read! I’ve come across a lot of pieces here and there over the years, pointing out how this exaltation of divisive diversity did not just happen by chance. It was pushed, promoted, and funded very generously. And because it worked so well in the imperial center, it is now actively being nurtured in the peripheries. See this appendix to an Indian report on the World Social Forum for example:
With more here. Posted by: Alamet | Dec 20 2008 21:29 utc | 64 re # 57, I think the Bhadrakumar piece is based on this report earlier this month:
As the above says, Uzbekistan kicked the US base out back then, I don’t see why they would let it back in. And Kazakhstan’s denial is quite strongly worded… Posted by: Alamet | Dec 20 2008 21:41 utc | 65 ‘Boots throwing syndrome’ hits journalists worldwide
Posted by: Alamet | Dec 21 2008 0:23 utc | 66 east african standard: Raila snubs US team over 2007 election
bzzzt. sloppy journalism. at the time, i suggested that the IRI be investigated further for any role in helping to rig the elections
crazy. raila would be president if not for the work of IRI & ranneberger et al. must suck to play that game. Posted by: b real | Dec 21 2008 4:31 utc | 67 preparation for battles in the near-future?
Posted by: b real | Dec 21 2008 7:07 utc | 68 RIA Novosti: Russia starts S-300 missile supplies to Iran – Iranian MP
When the S-300 is operational it should deter any Israeli attack ideas. Thought this interesting on today’s winter solstice, particularly the 1st 2 principles:
Georgia Guidestone sharon Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 21 2008 19:32 utc | 72 one of life’s little ironies is that giap old as he is – in his late nineties – will most probably live longer than i will Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 21 2008 23:51 utc | 73 the old bugger, the grande general is in fact 97 or 98 Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 22 2008 0:04 utc | 74 Florida Water Board, Voting 4 to 3, Approves U.S. Sugar Deal in the Everglades
Add to above:
Climate Change Testimony to Congress Subcomittee more on #67 above
it’s a year too late for this stuff to be coming out now. too bad there were no investigative journalists in nairobi or elsewhere in kenya to ask harder questions & dig this kind of stuff up themselves. salim lone’s reportedly writing a memoir of the entire experience. he doesn’t seem to be the kind of guy to pull his punches, esp when it comes to u.s. foreign policies. i’m sure the reporters at the standard have access to alot more details than they let on.
the standard notes that
will kenyans or the press there let him off that easily? Posted by: b real | Dec 22 2008 5:35 utc | 76 r’giap: in my neck of the woods the shelter is beyond capacity, but that has more to do with the weather than anything else. our numbers are definitely up, but it’s been a slow build, not the kind of spike we’ll probably see as California continues to deteriorate. 2009 will not be kind for the least among us. Posted by: Lizard | Dec 22 2008 5:57 utc | 77 Imad Khadduri’s Free Iraq blog gives a useful analysis of the recent “Baathist coup attempt” against Maliki, and an amusing Iraqi point of view on Maliki’s most notable recent efforts. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 22 2008 15:09 utc | 78 China agrees 10-point plan to help Taiwan in financial crisis
Clever… On the other hand, I can’t help but remember China demurred over a much smaller and much more urgent aid to Pakistan. Guess it says something about their priorities and predictions. Posted by: Alamet | Dec 22 2008 17:08 utc | 79 alamet Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 22 2008 18:43 utc | 81 r’giap, chilly holiday season ..stay warm, strong, xx. Posted by: annie | Dec 22 2008 23:40 utc | 83 “Don’t bend your head down…resistance is the only way”. That is what I have read on one of the sites that’s covering the Greek uprising. It’s something I’ve written about. The Greek rebellion has something in it that wakes up, shakes up, my sagging spirit. mark crispin miller on democracy now, after talking about the connell plane crash, adds
Posted by: b real | Dec 23 2008 5:59 utc | 85 tough year. howard zinn’s wife, rosyln, passed back in may & now carol chomsky. rip. Posted by: b real | Dec 23 2008 6:05 utc | 86 @plushtown #70:
Pretty scary direction, that. Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Dec 23 2008 6:22 utc | 87 Annals of Stupid Headlines – McClatchy: Iran’s unpopular president is favored to win re-election Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 23 2008 18:39 utc | 89
Thoughts? Posted by: Cloud | Dec 23 2008 20:10 utc | 90 |
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