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December 24, 2008
Open Thread 08-44
I am traveling and will likely post little over the next few days. Open thread …
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Peace be with you b and all, happy… whatever you do..lol Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 24 2008 2:43 utc | 2 & to you comrade uncle Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 24 2008 3:13 utc | 3 why is it they never report on this kind of stuff at the time it’s going down? (yes, it’s strictly a rhetorical lament & you’ll have to google the title to find the link – i don’t feel like entering any stupid pw to have the comment sit in the spam trap all week)
Posted by: b real | Dec 24 2008 7:17 utc | 5 @ b real. Posted by: a | Dec 24 2008 7:40 utc | 6 Former US Atty General John Ashcroft is “…stunned people think detainees deserve a trial.” Posted by: Jeremiah | Dec 24 2008 8:39 utc | 7 Wall Street Examiner on The Next Bubble:
Posted by: Jeremiah | Dec 24 2008 8:49 utc | 8 Jeremiah — I read that article on ‘The Next Bubble’. I think the fellow is somewhat overly optimistic but I do believe that. henceforth. wannabe speculators will find it easier to create bubbles in bathtubs than in financial markets. Posted by: Jimmy Montague | Dec 24 2008 10:11 utc | 9 “wannabe speculators will find it easier to create bubbles in bathtubs” Of course for about 10 years then because the market will still be ‘self-regulating’ so unregulated memories will fade – new entrants will not have experienced the joys of the bust side of the cycle and will believe ‘it can’t happen to them’ then a slightly different version of the same old song will play out. Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 24 2008 10:50 utc | 10 Hope everyone at MOA has a very Merry Christmas. I want to thank the host and everyone for all the great input on this site. Posted by: jdp | Dec 24 2008 14:04 utc | 11 as uncle said, happy whatever à tout le monde! Posted by: rudolf | Dec 24 2008 14:16 utc | 12 To everyone, happy holidays and best hopes. Cheer, drinks, for all at the bar. Posted by: Tangerine | Dec 24 2008 15:46 utc | 13 this chart (I am interested in graphical representations) is very nice and simple: “A visual guide to the financial crisis.” Posted by: Tangerine | Dec 24 2008 15:57 utc | 14 @4 Klaus, wow. I wish Putin had some agents of influence in the US, it would really raise the tone. No fair Israel getting all of them. Posted by: …—… | Dec 24 2008 16:22 utc | 15 obelix, from wiki
robert eringer didn’t link to any source documents. Posted by: annie | Dec 24 2008 17:59 utc | 16
Good question Tangerine. The very people he despised commercialized his birthday, must be one of the mysterious ways them hypochristians keep talking about. My guess is that should Jesus return tomorrow, he’d be given the 21 century equivalent of nailing him to a cross, as a professional agitator he’d get locked up in a mental institution and should he start converting water to wine he’d have a frontal lobotomy before he could say “Listen brothers & sisters”. Posted by: Juan Moment | Dec 24 2008 19:14 utc | 17 @Debs: I think you completely missed the point of the article (or you’re just being crotchety). There’s no “ten years from now another bubble blown by corrupt business assholes” because his point is, the very people that create economic “bubbles” (unregulated financial speculators) will be excluded from the economy because they’re not ‘producers’ of something tangible. Posted by: Jeremiah | Dec 24 2008 19:41 utc | 18 AP – Outgoing US President George W. Bush pardons a convicted war criminal. Posted by: Jeremiah | Dec 24 2008 19:57 utc | 19 Happy Yuletide to Moon of Alabama, the best place for discussion of world affairs. Posted by: Cloud | Dec 24 2008 20:45 utc | 20
In his first interview since the world financial crisis, Gao Xiqing, the man who oversees $200 billion of China’s $2 trillion in dollar holdings, explains why he’s betting against the dollar, praises American pragmatism, and wonders about enormous Wall Street paychecks. Posted by: Jeremiah | Dec 24 2008 21:56 utc | 21 Jeremiah, re # 8, The Next Bubble,
I’d have thought, OK, it’s a start… Except, even a short (and shuddering) glance at the source blog shows me it’s a hate site thorough and thorough. (http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/ 2008/12/16 -billion-of-bank-bailout-money-went.html, link intentionally broken because we probably wouldn’t want them to track back here.) That is not the reaction that could usher in a sane and equitable economic system. Posted by: Alamet | Dec 24 2008 21:59 utc | 22 Alamet- I didn’t detect optimism so much as a “this is the best thing that can be said about the coming future.” Posted by: Jeremiah | Dec 24 2008 22:02 utc | 23 Jeremiah 18) apparently the author’s No New Bubbles! schtick was meant as ‘satire’. Posted by: Yellow Tiber | Dec 24 2008 23:49 utc | 24 @Jeremiah I’m afraid I didn’t read the article not that would have changed my mind about what I wrote because a/ capitalism has always lived in a boom bang bust cycle and nothing I have seen suggests that this (living in capitalism) is about to change and 2/ as I said above this is only the first major bust that can be directly attributed to the de-regulatory phase begun with Thatcher/Regonomics. Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 25 2008 9:10 utc | 25 A thought provoking radical reformist proposal (or manifesto?) from a fairly well-established activist organisation: Posted by: Alamet | Dec 26 2008 0:26 utc | 26 Unconventional Warfare in the 21st Century: U.S. Surrogates, Terrorists and Narcotraffickers
The following is several snips from the article, which needs to be read in full.
FM33-1, Psychological Operations, is a good outline of how the U.S. media is run, too. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 26 2008 5:15 utc | 27 link for #27 – Unconventional Warfare in the 21st Century: U.S. Surrogates, Terrorists and Narcotraffickers Posted by: b real | Dec 26 2008 5:34 utc | 28 Unconventional Warfare in the 21st Century: U.S. Surrogates, Terrorists and Narcotraffickers Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 26 2008 5:39 utc | 29 UCLA study of satellite imagery casts doubt on surge’s success in Baghdad:
Posted by: Juan Moment | Dec 26 2008 16:30 utc | 30 Right on cue?
And still 26 shopping days before Bush leaves. This smells. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 26 2008 19:49 utc | 31 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATTAC Posted by: Sustain | Dec 27 2008 2:20 utc | 32 NYT has a report about “Passive houses” in Germany: No Furnaces but Heat Aplenty in ‘Passive Houses’
Friends built one of these, nice and comfortable and very little energy costs (electricity) to run it. The additional costs will be back in only three years because of savings for heating/cooling. Their next step is to generate and store all the electricity they need by themselves (solarpanels, battery(?)). The US arm of the Passive House movement is here. The efforts at building energy conservation that began in what we call the “solar scare” of the 1970s in the US failed because 1/ the focus on solar at the expense of superinsulation didn’t address summer comfort, or US climates outside of New Mexico, 2/ a GAO report of 1980 determined the projects that had been funded did not deliver, so the plug was pulled. It is true that the earliest superinsulated houses in the US had air and mold problems. But by the mid- late-1980s, the Canada R2000 program put ventilation and high levels of insulation together, and that program had an impact in the US, that led to the first energy codes in the early 1990s. The Passive House movement is growing in the US, with a lot of input from Germany. Posted by: Browning | Dec 27 2008 10:41 utc | 34 let this be a lesson to those who believe the “left” are the good guys. any proposal by rightwingers would be met with street protests and general strikes. just wait and see what happens to this very concerned Liberal (father of small children and good looking too) when he succeeds in passing laws requiring ratings for websites. Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 27 2008 14:05 utc | 35 re #35, note that the interview was published in the Daily Telegraph, a right-wing rag that is known for publishing invented stories, and has been pushing war with Iran. They can be guaranteed to put a right-wing slant on anything they publish Posted by: Alex | Dec 27 2008 14:49 utc | 36 @ Jeremiah, The possibility of another bubble in alt.energy. ? Posted by: Tangerine | Dec 27 2008 18:29 utc | 37 @ Alex Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 28 2008 14:25 utc | 38 From Newsmax, so a disreputable source, but I thought this interesting, and it makes sense: CIA Using Viagra to Bribe Afghan Warlords @39, Posted by: biklett | Dec 28 2008 16:09 utc | 41 Biklett 39) …and in return, the Livermore Lab, home of the “we knew it couldn’t be deployed in space but kept our mouths stuffed with $Bacon” Space Based Laser is set to vaporize another $10B’s of our taxes and suck down one millionth of the electric energy in the US to blow up a pinhead of deuterium, like so many sci-fi welfare tax dole pinheads behind the +6.8% engorged 2009 Defense Budget Bill, which if you haven’t read it: Posted by: Dick Biondi | Dec 28 2008 16:39 utc | 42 @Dick Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 28 2008 18:37 utc | 43 crap try this one… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 28 2008 19:25 utc | 44 This is stupid, and probably more than just a little compulsive, but I keep seeing the number $850 billion dollars used everywhere, two notable uses of this number I’ve seen recently were the total U.S. military budget (suspect source) and also the amount congress approved during the special TARP session (TARP+pork). And I forgot, Obama’s stimulus package, that’s probably what’s started me thinking about the significance of $850 billion in the first place. Posted by: David | Dec 29 2008 2:28 utc | 45 The Russian people may soon canonize Joseph Stalin? WTF? This world is mad, and getting more insane every day… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 29 2008 5:23 utc | 46 us surfs only cover something when we’re told to, or at least that’s how they want it to work. Posted by: David | Dec 29 2008 6:35 utc | 47 David #47:
Yes, except for sports and celebrity gossip. There people have opinions, including ease with statistics, dates and related events, about something they can’t alter. Everywhere else it’s “I can’t do anything about it so I don’t worry (think) about it”, but on sports and fantasy family gossip people allow themselves to be brilliant and involved. Posted by: plushtown | Dec 29 2008 16:11 utc | 48 Unrest caused by bad economy may require military action [in the homeland], report says
Yep, they are priming us for, for something… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 29 2008 17:10 utc | 49 Plushtown- Posted by: David | Dec 29 2008 17:23 utc | 50 David #50
thanks for response, but sitting in a physical bar I hear a lot of hard and unique thinking from people whose political/economic/religious thinking is racialist/idiotic/controlled, but on sports (I put in celebrity gossip for gender reasons, but tend not to hear those conversations) they’re opinionated with evidence and use percentages with understanding, though elsewhere (credit card bills, welfare #’s, defense crimes) percentages stymie them to stupor. Reason I think is pleasantness of the subject because not terrifying. Posted by: plushtown | Dec 29 2008 22:58 utc | 51 Ever go to a horse track? Lots of studying, thinking, and scheming going on there. The first (and only) time I went, it reminded me of cramming for the SAT. The guy I went with was a retired jockey, and informed me that the whole thing was a waste of time because the owners all had their own (private) plans for how they wanted their horses to run that day. Posted by: anna missed | Dec 29 2008 23:46 utc | 52 am Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 30 2008 0:07 utc | 53 I think I am/was trying to say the same thing. Posted by: David | Dec 30 2008 0:15 utc | 54 Anna missed- Posted by: David | Dec 30 2008 0:19 utc | 55 r’giap, thanks for the nod to the Kimberly artists. There’s such a nice and easy between them and what I like also of Colin McCahon. Posted by: anna missed | Dec 30 2008 1:52 utc | 56 David: Posted by: Malooga | Dec 30 2008 7:13 utc | 58 Pakistan Suspends NATO Supplies to Tackle Militants
It’s self-promotional propaganda, of course, but the statistical procedures and “refereeing” of the data give this data on social progress in Venezuela under Chavez a good measure of credibility. Of course, such strikingly subversive results might well explain Washington’s antipathy. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 30 2008 9:34 utc | 60 Meanwhile, here at home…
RAW STORY: Report: Military may have to quell domestic violence from economic collapse
like this?
Are people returning gifts to buy food? I’m reminded of b’s recent holiday post of the Wal-Mart worker crushed to death for mere electronics, ipods etc… wait until it’s food people are in line for… I suspect we wont have much longer to wait. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 30 2008 10:18 utc | 61 Meanwhile, here at home…
RAW STORY: Report: Military may have to quell domestic violence from economic collapse
like this?
Are people returning gifts to buy food? I’m reminded of b’s recent holiday post of the Wal-Mart worker crushed to death for mere electronics, ipods etc… wait until it’s food people are in line for… I suspect we wont have much longer to wait. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 30 2008 10:18 utc | 62 Meanwhile, here at home…
RAW STORY: Report: Military may have to quell domestic violence from economic collapse
like this?
Are people returning gifts to buy food? I’m reminded of b’s recent holiday post of the Wal-Mart worker crushed to death for mere electronics, ipods etc… wait until it’s food people are in line for… I suspect we wont have much longer to wait. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 30 2008 10:18 utc | 63 Sorry, friggin typepad again… now that we’ve been relegated to the second page aka back room… wonder how many folks miss the back room chatter… yet more compartmentalization which leads to… well, fuck it, you guys know my drone. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 30 2008 10:44 utc | 64 I had a crazy thought last night. Posted by: David | Dec 30 2008 14:28 utc | 65 David, perhaps you should be on Prosac; it will keep you from having crazy thoughts at night. The world does not need any more thinkers. Posted by: Malooga | Dec 30 2008 20:12 utc | 67 malooga Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 30 2008 20:58 utc | 68 happy birthday, beautiful & courageous cuba on your 50th birthday Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 30 2008 23:21 utc | 70 Prozac- Posted by: David | Dec 31 2008 3:56 utc | 71 el mundo: Confidential Manual Reveals to Prison Officers How To Curb Jihadism in Prisons
“idot code”. there you go. those words surely get coded into some SIGINT software, so they can be picked out of streams of what, to the monoglot, seems to be gibberish, and then some idiot scarfing down some taco bell in one hand w/ the other on a joystick drops a hellfire missile or two on a wedding party pinpointed on a computer screen thinking he’s taking out a group of terrorists cooking up explosives as more terrorists arrive ready for the trip to iraq so they can become martyrs. or something stoopid like that. idiot code is right. Posted by: b real | Dec 31 2008 4:31 utc | 72 I can’t help but think of Hunter S Thompson writing in fear & loathing in LV about covering the drug conference of DAs and the language they believed “heads” used, funny stuff but all too true. Posted by: David | Dec 31 2008 5:04 utc | 73 Dave, hence our previous conversation about the incredible importance of language. Posted by: Lizard | Dec 31 2008 6:08 utc | 74 Bernhard, thank you so much for another year of running this bar, if it weren’t for you and all you good people sharing your thoughts and insights here at the Moon, 2008 would not have been the same. Posted by: Juan Moment | Dec 31 2008 10:19 utc | 75 Comrade r’giap @# 70
You realize by hook, crook or dumb luck, they are methodically blocking all the intellectual exits, and escape routes sorta like the template of Gaza, lambs to slaughter… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 31 2008 10:30 utc | 76 the risograoph digital duplicator. Posted by: David | Dec 31 2008 13:59 utc | 77 I need to add a couple of quick thoughts you should know before I drink my coffee… Posted by: David | Dec 31 2008 14:06 utc | 78 I just tried to post a long how to. Sorry if it causes grief, not my intention. If it does get posted, my post at 50 should probably be deleted. Posted by: David | Dec 31 2008 17:12 utc | 79 What a knucklehead I am, I meant remove my post at 79, 80. Posted by: David | Dec 31 2008 17:14 utc | 80 David @65, Posted by: biklett | Dec 31 2008 18:10 utc | 81 I don’t have … the need to drink copious amounts of alcohol Posted by: biklett | Jan 1 2009 1:21 utc | 82 Here, here to that biklett@84, Posted by: David | Jan 1 2009 3:37 utc | 83 I’m kind of new so I just want to say hey. Hope to read more in the forum about Posted by: bettyhampst | Jan 6 2009 9:03 utc | 84 |
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