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December 13, 2008
Madoff And Realistic Returns

In a piece about the fall of Madoff’s $50 billion Ponzi scheme, two NYT writers show a profound misunderstanding of basic economics:

Mr. Madoff’s promised returns were relatively realistic — about 10 percent a year — though they were unrealistically steady.

The quasi risk free return on 10-year U.S. treasuries over the last 10 years was less than some 5 percent. A return of 10 percent per year can then only be relatively realistic if the risk of a loss of the invested capital is relatively high. That is the point Madoff's investors failed to understand too.

On another aspect of that fall: In a comment dan of steele says:

[O]ne possible positive outcome outcome from all this will be a bit less cash available to AIPAC.

That is likely as the NY Times emphasizes the Jewishness of many Madoff investors:

The Wilpon family, the main owners of the New York Mets, and Yeshiva University both confirmed that they had invested with Mr. Madoff, and a Jewish charity in Massachusetts said it would lay off its five employees and close after losing nearly all of its $7 million endowment. Other investors included prominent Jewish families in New York and Florida.

In another piece the Jewish charity from above is specified:

The news was equally devastating for the Robert I. Lappin Charitable Foundation in Salem, Mass., which works to reverse the dilution of Jewish identity through intermarriage and assimilation by sending teenagers to Israel and supporting other Jewish education efforts.

Sound a bit like Lebensborn to me. It is better for all if such stuff loses its financing.

Comments

Politically, he donated Democrat according to Clusterstock.com:
Which Pols Got Madoff Cash?

Posted by: Alamet | Dec 13 2008 21:47 utc | 1

b, thanks for lebensborn link, and this site/thankless tasking.
10% promise is very modest in Ponzi prose, $50 billion comes to those who wait, then sate.
Blue Boy Enchained

Posted by: plushtown | Dec 13 2008 23:50 utc | 2

on endeavour referred to by blue boy, each 100 pound investment was to produce 100 pound asnnual dividend, for which I think the proprietor took 10% earnest money then skipped to France. Safe as houses.

Posted by: plushtown | Dec 14 2008 0:14 utc | 3

“sending teenagers to Israel and supporting other Jewish education efforts”
Education. Knowledge. And allowing teenagers to go to Israel and actually see things for themselves so they can make up their own minds. Wow. What horrors! These are dangerous things. These things must be stopped at all costs.

Posted by: mike | Dec 14 2008 1:26 utc | 4

this good fella has been doing his business for almost 50 years… he started just 10 years after the birth pangs of the hebrew state… this level of scheme (fifty bloody billions) is only achieved after decades of hard work

Posted by: rudolf | Dec 14 2008 1:48 utc | 5

Here’s the Losers list as of this morning.
(Hat tip to Lew Rockwell’s blog)

Posted by: Ensley | Dec 14 2008 2:25 utc | 6

Mike,
Working to “reverse the dilution of Jewish identity through intermarriage and assimilation” is neither education, knowledge or allowing people to make up their minds for themselves.

Posted by: Jacob | Dec 14 2008 4:18 utc | 7

Funny – folks invested with Madoff because they thought he was a crook:

As we noted yesterday, many sophisticated Wall Streeters have long suspected that Bernie was crooked. But they invested with him anyway because they assumed that what he was doing was “front running”–an illegal but simple and effective practice in which traders take advantage of the knowledge of impending order flows. The possibility that Bernie was front-running explained performance that no one could replicate and that some experts thought was impossible. This stopped a handful of folks who knew enough to know that Bernie was full of it from crying “foul.”

Posted by: b | Dec 14 2008 5:23 utc | 8

I wonder if Madoff’s company is too big to fail. Will Paulson ask for another 50 billion to help out the hapless investors? I am sure a good argument could be made about the trickle-down effect of jobs being lost. Surely this is as big as those car companies going under….

Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 14 2008 10:09 utc | 9

They should not stop at the arrest of Madoff but include personalities in the SEC, read:
Red flags in Bernard Madoff’s alleged giant Ponzi scam, http://tinyurl.com/6emqoj
[Harry Markopolos, who years ago worked for a rival firm, researched Mr Madoff’s stock-options strategy and was convinced the results likely weren’t real.
“Madoff Securities is the world’s largest Ponzi Scheme,” Mr Markopolos, wrote in a letter to the US Securities and Exchange Commission in 1999.
Mr Markopolos pursued his accusations over the past nine years, dealing with both the New York and Boston bureaus of the SEC, according to documents he sent to the SEC reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
An SEC spokesman declined to comment.]
So the “Ponzi scheme” was discovered way back in ‘99, talk about historic. As everything unravels in the U.S. financial sector all the worms are coming out of the woodwork and seeing the light of day. Who in his right mind would want to invest in a market where the gatekeepers are on the payroll of the scam artists?

Posted by: criticalcontrarian | Dec 14 2008 12:49 utc | 10

10 % ANNUALY is not a big deal…during 1992 in Serbia there were two big ” banks” (and few smaller) that gave us 10% MONTHLY for our deposits.
We all knew it’s a pyramid scheme but it lasted for few years…Some people even sold their houses to “invest” in these PRIVATE banks. Politicians even advertised them on TV talking how patriotic the owners were giving to a charities etc. Of course they actually worked for Milosevic and his people.
A lot of people that did not intuitively feel that the end is close lost a lot of money when they suddenly collapsed. Lot of people couldn’t believe that that paradise is over… Owners never actually had been charged with any crime even after fall of Milosevic and his party (all though it’s a long story what happened to them…involving secret service that survived Milosevic).

Posted by: vbo | Dec 14 2008 14:02 utc | 11

I think this is great news. I am so happy that these people are getting theirs. It’s about time. A tip of the hat to you, Mr. Madoff….I hope there’s more where this came from….hell, I don’t have to hope, I know there’s more where this came from.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Dec 14 2008 18:24 utc | 12

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Posted by: mattes | Dec 14 2008 19:29 utc | 13

Bit more:
Bernard Madoff and the Jews of Palm Beach
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laurence-leamer/bernard-madoff-and-the-sh_b_150624.html
Bedfellows:

The firm is one of the top market maker firms on Wall Street.
Madoff served as the Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Sy Syms School of Business at Yeshiva University.
Madoff who is Jewish, and has actively supported American Zionism, served as the Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Sy Syms School of Business at Yeshiva University.
Madoff started his firm in 1960 with an initial investment of $5,000,[right…] after attending Hofstra University Law School.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_L._Madoff

So it was becoming interesting and I followed, looked up Hofstra:

Home of the last debate hosted by Bob Schieffer :
Presidential debate
Hofstra was one of 19 facilities vying for the opportunity to host one of the three presidential debates, or the vice presidential debate.
Stuart Rabinowitz said of Hofstra’s application. “And we had tremendous support from our public officials.”
The final cost to the university came out to $3.2 million, as was announced by President Stewart Rabinowitz in his speech prior to the beginning of the debate. He also stated that the cost was covered by three of the university’s trustees, one of which was David Mack who the Mack Sports Complex, where the debate was held, is named after.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofstra_University

So I looked up Mack, bet he had input into questions:

Public Service
Mack serves on the boards of Boys Town of Jerusalem, Hofstra University, Israel Bonds, Joseph L. Morse Geriatric Center, New York Holocaust Memorial Committee, North Shore Long Island Jewish Health System Foundation, Palm Beach Community Chest and United Way, Pratt Institute, and UJA of Greater New York and Long Island
Which of course lead me to Israeli Bonds:

State of Israel Bonds are debt securities issued by the Government of Israel.
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State of Israel Bonds is also the more familiar name of the underwriter of the bonds in the United States. The company is officially known as the Development Corporation for Israel (DCI). DCI is headquartered in New York City, and is a FINRA-registered broker-dealer.

On April 17, 2008 Moody’s Investors Service raised Israel’s government foreign and local currency bond ratings from A2 to A1 . In a report issued a few weeks earlier citing the possibility of an upgrade, Moody’s referred to State of Israel Bonds as a mitigating factor. The report praised Israel Bonds as a source of funding ‘at favorable costs.’
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Initial investors in Israel bonds were largely members of the Jewish community who wanted to help Israel strengthen its economic foundations. However, as securities became more diverse and market-responsive, the investor base became increasingly widespread. Israel bonds were seen as a two-fold investment that not only helped Israel, but were a useful means of portfolio diversification.
Purchasers now include more than 1,700 labor unions, over 1,800 foundations, and numerous states, municipalities, corporations, insurance companies, associations, union pension funds, banks, financial institutions, universities, synagogues, and private investors. Over 70 state and municipal public employee pension and treasury funds have invested more than $1 billion in the bonds.
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Half of the states in the US have invested in State of Israel bonds. In 2003, the State of New Jersey pension system purchased $20 million in bonds. In 2005, the Texas Treasury purchased $2 million in the bonds, bringing its total investments to $20 million,[5] and Louisiana purchased $5 million.[6]
In 2007 Florida adopted a bill authorizing county and local governments throughout the State to invest surplus funds in State of Israel bonds. More than $100 million in the bonds are purchased every year within Florida by various individuals, corporations, pension plans, universities, hospitals, foundations, unions, banks and insurance companies. The same year, New Mexico announced the purchase of $5 million in State of Israel Bonds, adding to the $10 million that the State had purchased in 2003.
On September 18, 2008, the city and state of New York each announced their intention to purchase $15 million in Israel bonds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Bonds

So now half the states are invested in Israel. Great. Gives new meaning to “connected at the roots”.
Washington State has attempted to divest from any enterprise related to Jews/Israeli settlements, they have not been successful.
Sorry for long post.

Posted by: mattes | Dec 14 2008 19:40 utc | 14

If I may use this as the current economic crisis thread, here is a must see for anyone following the global economy:
The true extent of Britain’s debt

(snip)
Michael Saunders from CitiGroup has calculated ‘external debt’ – ie, what Britain owes the rest of the world. It is not 40% but 400% of GDP, the highest in the G7 by some margin. The next down, France, is 176%. America, flagellating itself for blowing such a debt bubble, is just 100%. Japan is about half America.
(snip)
Narrow it down to short-term debt, ie IOUs that have to be paid back within a year, and the picture grows even bleaker. It adds up to 300% of GDP – six times that of France whose loans are long-term. Saunders says, with some understatement, that this makes “the UK economy and financial system highly vulnerable when, as now, global banking and capital flows dries up.”
(snip)

Posted by: Alamet | Dec 14 2008 23:46 utc | 15

Fucking Nazis. Choose your confidence game.

Posted by: biklett | Dec 15 2008 16:11 utc | 16

Fucking Jews?
Fucking humans. Everybody fucks, even the universe fucks. what’s your point Adolf?

“Know then that the Goddess Diana is Our Lady of Fucking. In truth, Our Lady is Fucking. At every time, in every place, She is Fucking, and it is the ecstasy of Her fucking that keeps the cosmos in existence. Were She to cease fucking for even an instant, there would be nothing anywhere.
“Whenever you fuck in love, She is the Fucking, and it is She who Fucks, and it is She who is Fucked.
“Wherever there is Fucking, there is Our Lady.
In everything She lives and fucks and has Her being, and Her service is perfect freedom.
“Hear me: those who hate the word fuck hate the Goddess.
“Hear me again: Those who hate the word fuck are dying of Christianity.
“Hear me yet again: Those who love the word fuck, and who love to fuck, and who fuck to love, are those who love the Goddess; and it is they who shall live forever in the ecstasy of Her reign.”

Fuck to you Adolf…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 15 2008 16:22 utc | 17

Chris Martenson’s two-hour [non boring]PowerPoint “Crash Course” in how money works and what it is.
The Crash Course seeks to provide you with a baseline understanding of the economy so that you can better appreciate the risks that we all face.”

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 15 2008 16:26 utc | 18

… people will believe what they want to believe. If they can make FDR the cause of the Great Depression, they can do anything. But one thing progressives can do is make sure that the story of the Bush administration is told, in all respects. There’s going to be huge pressure from the usual suspects to let bygones be bygones, to forget about everything from torture to reckless disregard of financial warnings. But I want truth and reconciliation across the board, and progressives have to make it clear that it was an ideology, not an act of God, that made this crisis possible.

– Paul Krugman’s depression economics

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 15 2008 16:46 utc | 19

It strikes me more than a bit ironic that there’s a race-based organization in the US today whose mission is to create a super race which only includes Jews, while not too long ago, there was a race-based organization in Germany whose mission was to create a super race which totally excluded Jews…
And I must say that Jews, as a super race, and Aryans, as a super race, both can’t be all that super — both must’ve been shortchanged on the smart gene;~) — if both races contain members who are stupid enough to fall for the likes of Bernard Madoff and Adolf Hilter, respectively.

Posted by: Cynthia | Dec 15 2008 18:29 utc | 20

Madoff ran, as far as I can see following news, a plain Ponzi scheme.
The financial crisis, which prompted ppl to withdraw their money, most likely to pay off debts, losses, elsewhere, etc. put him in the hole, as always happens at some point. Apparently he confessed right away, knowing exactly how these things go.
The salient point is that nobody cared, nobody checked, there was no control – as long as it worked everyone closed their eyes.
Emblematic of the whole ‘financial industry’ – open mouthed admiration, subservient flattery for the big earners and shakers, all the in-ppl knowing or hoping they would never be amongst the losers. That hasn’t worked out, the rich are hurting bad, but they are still rich or at least pretending to be comfortable…..

Posted by: Tangerine | Dec 15 2008 19:12 utc | 21

The salient point is that nobody cared, nobody checked, there was no control – as long as it worked everyone closed their eyes.
Not really – some folks looked into this and found that Madoff must be doing something illegal. But it seemed to work well and covered well, so they invested with him.
see @8

Posted by: b | Dec 15 2008 20:17 utc | 22

Nice job –

Walter Noel’s Fairfield Greenwich Group would have collected about $135 million in fees this year for peddling Bernard Madoff’s investing acumen to clients from South America, the Middle East and Asia.
The $7.3 billion Fairfield Sentry Fund invested solely with Madoff, taking a cut of 1 percent of assets and 20 percent of gains, which averaged about 11 percent annually in the past 15 years, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Fairfield Greenwich is one of at least 15 hedge-fund firms and private banks, including Tremont Holdings Group Inc. and Banco Santander SA, that earned similar fees for sending customers’ cash to the 70-year-old money manager.

To be read with The “Fund of Funds” Racket
It almost sounds like these super rich investors were being skinned with or without fraud!?!

Posted by: Alamet | Dec 15 2008 23:47 utc | 23

Adolf…I believe Mad-off was mainly Jew on Jew crime. So much for taking care of each other.
He knew what he was doing, if he thought it was legal, his secret rooms would not have existed.

Posted by: mattes | Dec 16 2008 3:22 utc | 24

dan of steel gets the prize for most prescient comment w/
I wonder if Madoff’s company is too big to fail. Will Paulson ask for another 50 billion to help out the hapless investors?
Judge signs order to protect Madoff investors

NEW YORK – A federal judge on Monday threw a lifesaver to investors who may have been duped in one of Wall Street’s biggest alleged frauds, saying they need the protection of a special government reserve fund set up to help investors at failed brokerage firms.
U.S. District Judge Louis L. Stanton ordered that clients of Bernard Madoff’s private investment business seek relief under a federal statute created to rescue cheated investors. Stanton also ordered that business be liquidated under the jurisdiction of a bankruptcy court and named attorney Irvin H. Picard as trustee to oversee that process.
Stanton signed the order after the Securities Investor Protection Corporation asked that steps be taken to protect investors in the scheme, which has ensnared several major banks and prominent figures as victims and could result in as much as $50 billion in losses.

Posted by: annie | Dec 16 2008 19:01 utc | 25

Annie,
Yves Smith mentions in her comment thread that she’s baffled as to why Madoff’s investors would be eligible for SIPC benefits…
Nevertheless, I do love this comment by an anonymous poster over at Naked Capitalism…;~)
“Arthur Levitt, Chairman emeritus of the SEC, was “astonished” that his close friend and confidante was the world’s greatest con man. Kinda says it all.
Now, if it turns out that Bernie gave it all to the poor, we have the makings of a classic childrens tale.”
December 17, 2008 6:50 AM

Posted by: Cynthia | Dec 17 2008 18:54 utc | 26

How can you say that the communities and people are better off having lost all this money when it benefited more than you can imagine. These people used their money for the greater good of everyone. Not only did they not know what was going on in Madoffs firm – or else I can GUARANTEE you that they would have no invested, but Madoff took advantage of his closest friends and biggest philanthropists the US has to offer, and for what. Also, banks throughout the entire world invested billions of dollars with him. So don’t go around with your ignorant comments and act as if you know whats going on. Alabama, get wake up and get a clue.

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 18 2008 14:07 utc | 27