Lebanon 2006, Gaza 2008 – the same Israeli rational, the same outcome.
Will they ever learn?
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December 30, 2008
Lebanon, Gaza
Lebanon 2006, Gaza 2008 – the same Israeli rational, the same outcome. Will they ever learn?
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as much as i would like to see the sordid smile wiped off the face of the immoral state of irael & the current crew of gangsters who ‘lead’ it – hamas is not hezbollah – nor possesses its military capacity Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 30 2008 22:26 utc | 2 grrr.. b why do you split up (compartmentalize)posts on the same or similar topics just when discussions gets going? I’ve seen this happen on several occasions…
Just as my last post in the ‘Israel “Absorbs” Bombs’ and how they attacked the humanitarian boat here’s a list of Civilians aboard the Dignity:
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 30 2008 22:53 utc | 3 InteVet, Posted by: Cynthia | Dec 30 2008 23:22 utc | 4 I’m just mindful that support of Israel means the historical necessity of accepting its experiment in a democracy defending jews. I have always felt this is an important project. I just think people forget this. Posted by: slothrop | Dec 30 2008 23:28 utc | 5 Rough quote from CNN- ‘Israel bombing Hamas naval bases…’ Posted by: biklett | Dec 30 2008 23:36 utc | 6 “Gentlemen, you have transformed Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 30 2008 23:39 utc | 7 I am in awe of the people of Gaza. I wish them the only moral support I can give, these words in internet hyperspace. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Dec 30 2008 23:47 utc | 8 slothrop Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 30 2008 23:48 utc | 9 the problem of defending starts when you attack to defend. others might attack to defend then, which will result in a spirral of attacking defenders and defending attackers. Posted by: outsider | Dec 30 2008 23:50 utc | 10 Will they ever learn? Posted by: Thrasyboulos | Dec 31 2008 0:03 utc | 11 then let me be clkearer, the political & moral landscape of israel has become so polluted, so criminal in its activity – it is not fit to govern Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 31 2008 0:17 utc | 13 in reading hilberg you are constantly aware of the detail, the administration of a war against a people. Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 31 2008 3:09 utc | 15 “MURDER as COVER for THEFT is NOT *self-defense*!” ~ LT Posted by: LanceThruster | Dec 31 2008 3:25 utc | 16 Gilad Atzmon: Eine Kleine Nacht Murder: How Israeli Leaders Kill for their People’s Votes
He should know — he’s an Israeli. Posted by: bea | Dec 31 2008 4:11 utc | 17 Prime example of the above attitude referenced by Atzmon, from today’s Ha’aretz:
You can’t make this stuff up. But this discourse is unfortunately quite the norm in Israel. Posted by: bea | Dec 31 2008 4:21 utc | 18 Israeli Serial Killers Document Crimes on youtube Videos Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 31 2008 7:59 utc | 19 Reading the fascist international reports from the AFCEA Nightwatch it strikes me how low the expectations for the Israel Murderous Forces have become after the defeat in 2006. Posted by: ThePaper | Dec 31 2008 8:14 utc | 20 Guess what, some colonial apologists seem to have the free time (or funds) to write detailed lists in Wikipedia about the Kassam rockets launched (I guess that I could try to search the detailed list of colonial murderous attacks inside Gaza in the same time frame from Wikipedia but I wonder why I doubt I will find it). Posted by: ThePaper | Dec 31 2008 8:33 utc | 21 Alex wrote in the previous Gaza thread
Alex, I so hear you. Over at Helena Cobban’s site you wrote that if anyone wants to organise an “International Brigade” to defend Gaza, you’re ready to go. Count me in.
How right he is. Our values, compassion and care need to extend further than internet postings and letters to parliamentarians; they need to actually reach the people in Gaza. If it is not us, the ones who actually feel the rage against Israel’s killer regime, who will come to their aid? Posted by: Juan Moment | Dec 31 2008 11:11 utc | 22 Youtube CNN: Israeli Patrol Boat Rams Gaza Relief Vessel Cynthia McKinney & CNN Penhaul Reports
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 31 2008 11:40 utc | 23 Will they ever learn? Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 31 2008 15:42 utc | 24 i have just been listenign to a norwegian doctor from gaza who is speaking haltingly of what he is living, of what he is seeing before his very eyes Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 31 2008 17:30 utc | 25 The USA (like others) is totally reliant on oil. Without it all systems would stop . No oil means no food or water for many millions who will die in the US. USA is vulnerable and therefore dangerous Posted by: boindub | Dec 31 2008 17:32 utc | 26 war. the pornographers of the israel propaganda ministy – many who are johnnu-come-lately’s to israel itself who speak of war Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 31 2008 17:40 utc | 27 Bolton: Gaza Conflict Could Lead To U.S. Attack On Iran
Does this man ever think of anything else but killing? Posted by: Juan Moment | Dec 31 2008 19:16 utc | 28 #26, If Americans were sufficiently informed (the domestic news services seem to be giving this story very scant coverage), an approach similar to that used on apartheid South Africa may have some effect. Posted by: Obelix | Dec 31 2008 19:43 utc | 29 bolton is the single most powerful argument about the compensatory powers of wearing a toupée as bolton does Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 31 2008 20:17 utc | 30 Israel has become a pathetic excuse for a nation. At one time they fought off the combined forces of nation states. They are now reduced to gloating over pounding the shit out of a defenseless isolated prison population of their own making, as if it were some heroic national sacrifice. From the occupation of Lebanon, to the 2006 war on Lebanon, and now this siege of Gaza means they continue to ratcheted themselves further into a disrepute so deep they are unlikely to ever emerge. The government of Israel and by all accounts, 80+% of their population, have largely fallen under the spell of a vicious circular reasoning where escape or success becomes progressively more impossible – as they screw themselves yet deeper into the kind of moral and logical decay that made histories greatest losers, live forever in infamy. The legacy produced by their collective insanity will one day arrive unannounced at their doorstep, and, the last thing it will be interested in, is a civilized negotiation for peace. Posted by: anna missed | Dec 31 2008 20:26 utc | 31 can i use that as a quote anna missed? i will credit you for it. Posted by: annie | Dec 31 2008 20:34 utc | 32
This is the last part – the whole article is worth a read. Posted by: Hamburger | Dec 31 2008 21:27 utc | 33 To slothrop @5
So, one might dislike BM for accurately detailing the ethnic cleansing of Palestine — or — one might hate him for his advocacy of ethnic cleansing of “inferior races”. Posted by: oboblomov | Dec 31 2008 21:29 utc | 34 Juan Moment, Posted by: Cynthia | Dec 31 2008 21:35 utc | 35 i cannot help remembering what john pilger sd happened in an interview with bolton – where his toupee kept slifing off his head – ever since i hear that anecdote — coupled with his subnietzschean moustache – only his fellow lunatics at the american enterprise institute could take him seriouslly Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 1 2009 0:27 utc | 36 thanks everyone, for the great thread… esp. anna missed and r’giap. Posted by: bea | Jan 1 2009 4:54 utc | 37 it seems clear today that the state of israel is mad enough for a land offensive Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 1 2009 16:01 utc | 38 Ibrahim Al-Jamaj Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 1 2009 16:09 utc | 39 the above is only a small part of those who have been murdered by the state of israel. the deaths continue. skin, bone & blood. they are not numbers. Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 1 2009 17:09 utc | 40 christ, how many times can a livni or a bark mention ‘tewwowist’ & ‘tewwowism’ in a single sentence. clearly they have gone to rudy guiliani school of syntax Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 1 2009 17:38 utc | 41 “change the equation”, “change the reality” – what an obsence thing language can be Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 1 2009 17:44 utc | 42 I was surprised that this happened, but YNET has shown the great words from Anna Missed above where I cut and pasted it to about a British firm’s boycott. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 1 2009 20:32 utc | 44 rgiap – i wonder if you have it in you to write something more about the parallels you referenced above. It could make a very powerful post, if there were sources or some verification of the accuracy of the details — side by side. Posted by: bea | Jan 2 2009 3:19 utc | 45 A very important piece by David Bromwich from the Huffington Post, posted here in full because it’s that good (with apologies for the length):
Posted by: bea | Jan 2 2009 3:23 utc | 46 And another very important piece by Sara Roy today – the ground is shifting:
Posted by: bea | Jan 2 2009 3:28 utc | 47 This piece stinks to heaven — something tells me that there will be a ground offensive in progress before dawn. Also I heard that Israeli ambulances are massing at the border. Another clear indication.
Give me a break…. those rockets are so ill-aimed it’s laughable. Posted by: bea | Jan 2 2009 4:22 utc | 48 Priceless – Front page story in Haaretz now:
Oh, so it’s the offensive itself that might provoke the rocket that might hit the nuclear plant… an outcome which isn’t even contemplated here anyway… Posted by: bea | Jan 2 2009 4:32 utc | 49 Lenin’s Tomb has a sad but true post up on just how sickening the machine has become. Here is a passage:
That IL has had this fucked up attitude is nothing new, been practically like that ever since IL’s illegal occupation started, but to see the UN now adopting these inhumane habits is just another sign for the world’s rapidly deteriorating standards. Posted by: Juan Moment | Jan 2 2009 6:29 utc | 50 like when Israel via missile takes out a Hamas leader when he’s at home with his family.
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