Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
December 30, 2008
Lebanon, Gaza

Lebanon 2006, Gaza 2008 – the same Israeli rational, the same outcome.

Will they ever learn?

Comments

Regime change, Israel.

Posted by: IntelVet | Dec 30 2008 21:50 utc | 1

as much as i would like to see the sordid smile wiped off the face of the immoral state of irael & the current crew of gangsters who ‘lead’ it – hamas is not hezbollah – nor possesses its military capacity
the state of israel knows that – it is shooting fish in a barrel – it wants to liquidate hamas & it is willing to plow through the blood, skin & bone of the people of gaza to do it – one & a half million people, 800,000 who are children under the age of 15
poor beseiged gaza must in the memory of jewish people recall :
Northwestern Krai (whole; Lithuania, Belarus):
Vilna guberniya
Kovno guberniya
Grodno guberniya
Minsk guberniya
Mogilev guberniya
Vitebsk guberniya (some parts of it are in Pskov Oblast and Smolensk Oblast now)
Southwestern Krai (part; now in Ukraine):
Kiev guberniya
Volhynia guberniya
Podolia guberniya
Polish guberniyas (lands of Congress Poland):
Warsaw guberniya (Варшавская губерния (Мазовецкая губерния 1837-1844))
Lublin guberniya (Люблинская губерния)
Płock guberniya (Плоцкая губерния)
Kalisz guberniya (Калишская губерния)
Piotrkow guberniya (Петроковская губерния)
Kielce guberniya (Келецкая губерния (Краковская губерния 1837-1844))
Radom guberniya (Радомская губерния)
Siedlce guberniya (Седлецкая губерния (Подлясская губерния 1837-1844))
Augustow губерния (Августовская губерния 1837-1867), split into:
Suwałki guberniya (Сувалкская губерния)
Łomża guberniya (Ломжинская губерния)
Others:
Chernigov guberniya (some parts of it are in Bryansk Oblast now)
Poltava guberniya
Tavrida guberniya (Crimea)
Kherson guberniya
Bessarabia guberniya
Ekaterinoslav guberniya
In 1882 it was forbidden for Jews to settle in rural areas.
The following cities within the Pale were excluded from it:
Kiev (the ukase of December 2, 1827: eviction of Jews from Kiev)
Nikolaev
Sevastopol
Yalta
these cities that were beseiged, these cities that were terrorised, these cities where exactly the same overwhelming force that is being used by the state of israel against the palestinian people was once used against the jewish people
slothrop has mocked me for suggesting that israel dishonours jews – but anyone who understand what these particular jews lived & died through would roll in their mass graves at what israel has learnt from czarist russia & nazi germany, what the israelis have learnt from their germanb master – death, from the ukrainians who went about their murder with axes, how much the israelis have learnt from lithuanina & estonian butchers who drank their blood. how much israel has learnt from the exterminatory desires of the polish people
what israel does in the occupied territories, what it has done to the palestinian people is inherited from a tradition of terror & they are obviouslly good student but every bloody move they make, makes it clear that they are not fit to govern
that is the lesson i have learnt israel has shown itself not fit to govern

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 30 2008 22:26 utc | 2

grrr.. b why do you split up (compartmentalize)posts on the same or similar topics just when discussions gets going? I’ve seen this happen on several occasions…
Barclays decision to close UWT account.

The Ummah Welfare Trust (UWT) is dismayed by receiving a 30 day notice from Barclays to close their bank account. The trust has been banking with Barclays since its inception in 2001 in order to carry out relief operations in over twenty countries across Africa, Asia, Europe and the Middle East providing support to over a million people.
Barclays Bank has given no apparent reason to why the notice has been served. UWT Director of Operations Mohammed Ahmed said in a statement, “We are deeply concerned with Barclays Bank’s decision to close our accounts without any justification. This decision will not only affect the great work carried out by UWT but will affect millions of people who rely on UWT. This decision sets a dangerous precedent of disrupting British charities without any substance, especially as INTERPAL is in the process of having its bank accounts closed by Lloyds TSB. Targeting charities in this way shows there is a conceited attempt to stop the good work in politically-sensitive regions by leading British Muslim charities.
UWT is calling on all supporters and friends to urge Barclays Bank to review its decision so UWT can continue its humanitarian projects across the world without any disruption. UWT would like to reassure its supporters this is a decision of a bank and does not reflect the view of the Charity Commission.
Notes to Editors:
Ummah Welfare Trust is a UK registered international relief and development charity operating in over 25 countries. For further details, visit http://www.uwt.org or contact: UWT Head Office, 351 Derby St. Bolton, Greater Manchester, BL3 6LR.

Just as my last post in the ‘Israel “Absorbs” Bombs’ and how they attacked the humanitarian boat here’s a list of Civilians aboard the Dignity:

(UK) Denis Healey, Captain
Captain of the Dignity, Denis has been involved with boats for 45 years, beginning with small fishing boats in Portsmouth. He learned to sail while at school and has been part of the sea ever since. He’s a certified yachtmaster and has also worked on heavy marine equipment from yachts to large dredgers. This is his fourth trip to Gaza.
(Greece) Nikolas Bolos, First Mate
Nikolas is a chemical engineer and human rights activist. He has served as a crewmember on several Free Gaza voyages, including the first one in August.
(Jordan) Othman Abu Falah
Othman is a senior producer with Al-Jazeera Television. He will remain in Gaza to report on the ongoing military onslaught.
(Australia) Renee Bowyer
Renee is a schoolteacher and human rights activist. She will remain in Gaza to do human rights monitoring and reporting.
(Ireland) Caoimhe Butterly
Caoimhe is a reknowned human rights activist and Gaza Coordinator for the Free Gaza Movement. She will be remaining in Gaza to do human rights monitoring, assist with relief efforts, and work on project development with Free Gaza.
(Cyprus) Ekaterini Christodulou
Ekaterini is a well-known and respected freelance journalist in Cyprus. She is traveling to Gaza to report on the conflict.
(Sudan) Sami El-Haj
Sami is a former detainee at Guantanamo Bay, and head of the human rights section at Al-Jazeera Television. He will remain in Gaza to report on the ongoing military onslaught.
(UK) Dr.
David Halpin
Dr. Halpin is an experienced orthopaedic surgeon, medical professor, and ship’s captain. He has organized humanitarian relief efforts in Gaza on several occasions with the Dove and Dolphin. He is traveling to Gaza to volunteer in hospitals and clinics.
(Germany) Dr.
Mohamed Issa
Dr. Issa is a pediatric surgeon from Germany. He is traveling to Gaza to volunteer in hospitals and clinics.
(UK/Tunisia) Fathi Jaouadi
Fathi is a television producer and human rights activist. He will remain in Gaza to do human rights monitoring and reporting.
(USA) Cynthia McKinney
Cynthia is a former U.S. Congresswoman from Georgia, and the 2008 Green Party presidential candidate. She is traveling to Gaza to assess the ongoing conflict.
(Cyprus) Martha Paisi
Martha is a senior research fellow and experienced human rights activist. She is traveling to Gaza to do human rights work and to assist with humanitarian relief efforts.
(UK) Karl Penhaul
Karl Penhaul is a video correspondent for CNN, based out of Bogotá, Colombia. Appointed to this position in February 2004, he covers breaking news around the world utilizing CNN’s new laptop-based ‘Digital Newsgathering’ system. He is traveling to Gaza to report on the ongoing conflict.
(Iraq) Thaer Shaker
Thaer is a cameraman with Al-Jazeera television. He will remain in Gaza to report on the ongoing military onslaught.
(Cyprus) Dr.
Elena Theoharous, MP
Dr. Theoharous is a surgeon and a Member of the Cypriot Parliament. She is traveling to Gaza to assess the ongoing conflict, assist with humanitarian relief efforts, and volunteer in hospitals.
Civilians aboard the Dignity
(UK) Denis Healey, Captain
Captain of the Dignity, Denis has been involved with boats for 45 years, beginning with small fishing boats in Portsmouth. He learned to sail while at school and has been part of the sea ever since. He’s a certified yachtmaster and has also worked on heavy marine equipment from yachts to large dredgers. This is his fourth trip to Gaza.
(Greece) Nikolas Bolos, First Mate
Nikolas is a chemical engineer and human rights activist. He has served as a crewmember on several Free Gaza voyages, including the first one in August.
(Jordan) Othman Abu Falah
Othman is a senior producer with Al-Jazeera Television. He will remain in Gaza to report on the ongoing military onslaught.
(Australia) Renee Bowyer
Renee is a schoolteacher and human rights activist. She will remain in Gaza to do human rights monitoring and reporting.
(Ireland) Caoimhe Butterly
Caoimhe is a reknowned human rights activist and Gaza Coordinator for the Free Gaza Movement. She will be remaining in Gaza to do human rights monitoring, assist with relief efforts, and work on project development with Free Gaza.
(Cyprus) Ekaterini Christodulou
Ekaterini is a well-known and respected freelance journalist in Cyprus. She is traveling to Gaza to report on the conflict.
(Sudan) Sami El-Haj
Sami is a former detainee at Guantanamo Bay, and head of the human rights section at Al-Jazeera Television. He will remain in Gaza to report on the ongoing military onslaught.
(UK) Dr.
David Halpin
Dr. Halpin is an experienced orthopaedic surgeon, medical professor, and ship’s captain. He has organized humanitarian relief efforts in Gaza on several occasions with the Dove and Dolphin. He is traveling to Gaza to volunteer in hospitals and clinics.
(Germany) Dr.
Mohamed Issa
Dr. Issa is a pediatric surgeon from Germany. He is traveling to Gaza to volunteer in hospitals and clinics.
(UK/Tunisia) Fathi Jaouadi
Fathi is a television producer and human rights activist. He will remain in Gaza to do human rights monitoring and reporting.
(USA) Cynthia McKinney
Cynthia is a former U.S. Congresswoman from Georgia, and the 2008 Green Party presidential candidate. She is traveling to Gaza to assess the ongoing conflict.
(Cyprus) Martha Paisi
Martha is a senior research fellow and experienced human rights activist. She is traveling to Gaza to do human rights work and to assist with humanitarian relief efforts.
(UK) Karl Penhaul
Karl Penhaul is a video correspondent for CNN, based out of Bogotá, Colombia. Appointed to this position in February 2004, he covers breaking news around the world utilizing CNN’s new laptop-based ‘Digital Newsgathering’ system. He is traveling to Gaza to report on the ongoing conflict.
(Iraq) Thaer Shaker
Thaer is a cameraman with Al-Jazeera television. He will remain in Gaza to report on the ongoing military onslaught.
(Cyprus) Dr.
Elena Theoharous, MP
Dr. Theoharous is a surgeon and a Member of the Cypriot Parliament. She is traveling to Gaza to assess the ongoing conflict, assist with humanitarian relief efforts, and volunteer in hospitals.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 30 2008 22:53 utc | 3

InteVet,
The US badly needs a regime change, too. I’d like to see Obama step down, even though he hasn’t even stepped into office yet with his hand on Lincoln’s Bible, of all things — something he’s far from being worthy of, IMO. After all, Obama is fast turning out to be the antithesis of a Lincoln. Lincoln was a champion of the common man. Obama, OTOH, is nothing more than a puppet for the plutocrats!

Posted by: Cynthia | Dec 30 2008 23:22 utc | 4

I’m just mindful that support of Israel means the historical necessity of accepting its experiment in a democracy defending jews. I have always felt this is an important project. I just think people forget this.
Anyway, I’m not a fan of Benny Morris, but this is a valid summary of the issue of Israel’s vulnerability.

Posted by: slothrop | Dec 30 2008 23:28 utc | 5

Rough quote from CNN- ‘Israel bombing Hamas naval bases…’

Posted by: biklett | Dec 30 2008 23:36 utc | 6

“Gentlemen, you have transformed
our country into a graveyard
You have planted bullets in our heads,
and organized massacres
Gentlemen, nothing passes like that
without account
All that you have done
to our people is
registered in notebooks”
Mahmud Darwish

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 30 2008 23:39 utc | 7

I am in awe of the people of Gaza. I wish them the only moral support I can give, these words in internet hyperspace.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Dec 30 2008 23:47 utc | 8

slothrop
it is insufferable that you should cite the thug historian, benny morris who is not only a leading apologist of israeli terror but who has also thrown shame on scholarship. his work elevates the massacres of deir yassin into foundation myths
& israel is not the victim for fuck’s sake – to paraphrase paul celan -fot the palestinian people, death is an israeli
armed to the teeth by us imperialism – i am completely unable to see anyy ‘vulnerability’ – except her own political & moral pollution

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 30 2008 23:48 utc | 9

the problem of defending starts when you attack to defend. others might attack to defend then, which will result in a spirral of attacking defenders and defending attackers.
generally speaking the defending and attacking starts when two people try to own a commodity that is scarce. usually it is the owner who has to do the defending attack.

Posted by: outsider | Dec 30 2008 23:50 utc | 10

Will they ever learn?
No.
Israel is a worshipped entity. A deity can do no wrong, everything is permitted. A religio fascist mindset, twined with self pity. Lethal and stupid.

Posted by: Thrasyboulos | Dec 31 2008 0:03 utc | 11

In other words, a cult.

Posted by: Thrasyboulos | Dec 31 2008 0:10 utc | 12

then let me be clkearer, the political & moral landscape of israel has become so polluted, so criminal in its activity – it is not fit to govern
if it can only govern with overwhelming force – then it does not have a right to exist
the geopolitical solution to the exterminatory policy towards the jews should have been resolved by liquidating the ‘nation’ of austria & of taking bavaria – this should have been the jewish homeland – if indeed a state needed to exist to protect their identity as a people. that would have been the organic solution but that solution would have required political & moral courage & in the 20th century it was patently obvious that the west possessed no such moral courage
the state of israel has annexed the policies of its oppressor of the last three centuries & i guarantee, i guarantee any reading of raul hilberg’s magisterial work on the extermination of european jewry reveals that the israel has assumed the ‘moral’ mantle of its oppressors
imperialism (& josef stalin, in the case of israel) have created a middle east that is an abbatoir. the rich & multiple diversity of its people have been reduced
the wounds imperialism creates are a horror to behold & i imagine an impossibility to live

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 31 2008 0:17 utc | 13

“the same Israeli rational, the same outcome”
You left out “the same tactics”

Posted by: mo | Dec 31 2008 0:28 utc | 14

in reading hilberg you are constantly aware of the detail, the administration of a war against a people.
in the occupied territories we are aware that there is the same detail, the same administration of terror. the germans padded thier genoicide with language – calling it everything but what it was – mass murder. so to the states of israel have padded their language with exactly the same purposes & sometimes with exactly the same language
we are never made aware of the fact i have mentioned previously – that over half the population of gaza are children under the age of 15 – when we are concious of that – a genocidal plan comes clearer into view. that the only real response to the demographic problem is extermination. once perhaps they could have like the nazis ivented madagascar as a geographic solution – here, the jordan solution – which is now for all sorts of reasons, quite impossible
slothrop has spoken of israel’s vulnerability – but its real vulnerability is demographic. here too, the dark lessons of the nazis exist just under the skin of israels policy

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 31 2008 3:09 utc | 15

“MURDER as COVER for THEFT is NOT *self-defense*!” ~ LT
This phrase came to me as the IDF was slaughtering innocent Lebanese civilians.

Posted by: LanceThruster | Dec 31 2008 3:25 utc | 16

Gilad Atzmon: Eine Kleine Nacht Murder: How Israeli Leaders Kill for their People’s Votes

In order to grasp the latest devastating murderous Israeli expedition in Gaza one must deeply comprehend the Israeli identity and its inherent hatred towards anyone who fails to be Jewish and a hatred against Arabs in particular. This hatred is imbued in the Israeli curriculum, it is preached by political leaders and implied by their acts, it is conveyed by cultural figures, even within the so-called ‘Israeli Left’.
I grew up in Israel in the 1970’s people of my generation are nowadays the leaders of the Israeli army, politics, economy, academia and the arts. We were trained to believe that ‘a good Arab is a dead one’. A few weeks before I joined the IDF in the early 1980’s, General Rafael Eitan, the Chief of Staff at the time announced that the “Arabs were stoned cockroaches in a bottle”. He got away with it, he also got away with the murder of many thousands of Lebanese civilians in the 1st Lebanon war. In a word, Israelis manage to get away with murder.
Luckily enough, and for reasons that are still far beyond my comprehension, at a certain stage I woke up out of that Hebraic lethal dream. At one point I left the Jewish state, I evaded the Jewish hate mongering, I had become an opponent of the Jewish state and any other form of Jewish politics. However, I am utterly convinced that it is my primary duty to inform every being that is willing to listen about that which are we up against.
As much as Zionism was there to transform Jews, and by “giving them a State of their own” make them like any other people, it failed miserably. The Israeli barbarism as we have seen this week and too many times before is far beyond bestiality. It is killing for the sake of killing. And it is indiscriminate.

He should know — he’s an Israeli.

Posted by: bea | Dec 31 2008 4:11 utc | 17

Prime example of the above attitude referenced by Atzmon, from today’s Ha’aretz:
Criminal probe opened against Israeli Rabbis who signed anti-Arab labor ads

Both advertisements were issued following terror attacks in Jerusalem carried out by East Jerusalem residents: the shooting attack at Mercaz Harav Yeshiva last March and two rampages by bulldozer drivers in July.
“Again and again, it turns out that ostensibly cheap Arab labor exacts a price from us in blood, which is more dear than all,” read the ad published after the bulldozer attacks, which appeared in the right-wing newspaper Kommemiyut and was also distributed as a flier. “The murderous tractors driven by Arabs from East Jerusalem are only the tip of the iceberg of a national problem that has long since become an existential danger that threatens the welfare of the nation that dwells in Zion: from taking over of sources of livelihood and pushing Jews out of every place, through a creeping takeover of Jewish neighborhoods, chutzpah and effrontery, growing verbal and physical violence and systematic and deliberate injury to the honor of the daughters of Israel, to mixed marriages with Jewish women who fall into their nets.”
The ad then urged people to “stop employing the Arab enemy, at least in the spheres closest to us. We won’t let enemies into our homes, we won’t buy from enemies, we won’t directly employ enemies.”
Several of the signatories, who include Rabbis Shmuel Eliyahu (the chief rabbi of Safed), Yitzhak Ginzberg, Dov Lior (the chief rabbi of Hebron and Kiryat Arba), David Druckman (the chief rabbi of Kiryat Motzkin) and Yaakov Yosef, are state employees.
The other ad, published after the Mercaz Harav attack, urged people to “stop employing and supporting the Arab enemies and switch to Jewish labor and commerce with Jews.”
Of the 29 rabbis, nine signed both ads, while the others signed only one.
One signatory, Rabbi Elyakim Levanon, responded that the ad was aimed at saving lives, and “if someone thinks he needs to investigate and try me for that… It will be to my credit.”
Nitzan also ordered an investigation against a group of ultra-Orthodox kashrut supervisors in Jerusalem who tried to get the businesses they supervised to stop employing Arabs.

You can’t make this stuff up. But this discourse is unfortunately quite the norm in Israel.

Posted by: bea | Dec 31 2008 4:21 utc | 18

Israeli Serial Killers Document Crimes on youtube Videos

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 31 2008 7:59 utc | 19

Reading the fascist international reports from the AFCEA Nightwatch it strikes me how low the expectations for the Israel Murderous Forces have become after the defeat in 2006.
It seems that getting a rag tag ghetto band with almost no supplies bottled down in a mostly walled town of a few square kilometers to launch a few less fireworks is a good enough achievement. Because that’s what the Kassam rockets and the mortar shells are. Proved that they only have a very limited supply of more ‘powerful’ (don’t make me laugh at their ‘devasting’ power) Grads for that same reason the Hamas arsenal is not even comparable to the ‘arsenal’ used here on a single day on San Juan (let’s say it’s something like July 4th in the US). So now they try to spin that going down from 100 to 20 or 50 fireworks fired after massive bombing using high tech ‘precission’ bombs and top line F16 fighters is an achievement!
When in fact that just proves their real murderous intent and their weakness.
I wonder what will happen when they get into Gaza, I guess than as usually they will cut through the streets destroying houses and causing havoc without much effective oposition. There is no way that the groups in Gaza could get any real weapon like Hezbullah did. And after all the Israel Murderous Forces arsenal is designed for that terrain and purpose: kill and main unarmed ghetto civilians. That’s what their much famed Merkava tanks are designed for. That’s actually what the US provided Apache and F16 are used and their pilots trained for. So it will become the much wanted success that they expect will make disappear their previous failure from all memories. After all the IMF is undefeated and all powerful and that was just bad planning and a unremarkable exception due to ineffective politicians.
In their assumed high tech US provided strength and power they are weaker than they ever were and the day the murderous western (german, russian, american) colony in Palestina will disappear is nearest than it never was.

Posted by: ThePaper | Dec 31 2008 8:14 utc | 20

Guess what, some colonial apologists seem to have the free time (or funds) to write detailed lists in Wikipedia about the Kassam rockets launched (I guess that I could try to search the detailed list of colonial murderous attacks inside Gaza in the same time frame from Wikipedia but I wonder why I doubt I will find it).
List of Qassam rocket attacks in Israel in 2008
If that list is credible there would be no reduction other than may be over an hypothetical increase after the terrorist bombing of Gaza started.
BTW, and of course the list provides complete detail of the suffering of those poor colonialists (russian or whatever else living around Gaza third or fourth level colonial citizens inside the hyper racist hyper stratified western colony in Palestina) … from the horrible experience of shock. As you all known shock is even worst than being maimed, losing all your family or your own live. If the shock happens to higher than non-human palestinian vermin that’s it.

Posted by: ThePaper | Dec 31 2008 8:33 utc | 21

Alex wrote in the previous Gaza thread

I ask myself why I am not on a boat bringing supplies to Gaza. It’s a good question, I am embarrassed; I should be.
The question we have to face is how to help the Gazans. Most MoA people are ambivalent, if I understand correctly. Personally I think Gaza is a case worth being partisan, not normally so for me. How can one accept bombing a people into oblivion? It is outrageous.

Alex, I so hear you. Over at Helena Cobban’s site you wrote that if anyone wants to organise an “International Brigade” to defend Gaza, you’re ready to go. Count me in.
Whilst we sit at our computers, fully aware that we are witnessing today’s Nazis committing mass murder in our day, expressing our grief about the casualties the Israeli dictatorship is raking up in Palestinian lands, we continue to hope (keep waiting) for the brothers of Palestinians in Egypt & the Arab league to come to their rescue. It ain’t gonna happen, not any time soon anyway.
Obama is a write off, an AIPAC sleeper who got activated, a wolf in sheep clothes; Rahm Emanuel, whose father, it appears, was a member of the jewish terror group Irgun, and who felt himself so obligated that he had to serve his time in the Israeli Oppression Force, a rat bag; forget the US admin, bastards the lot of them.
Forget European powers too, soggy face washers when it comes to standing up for the oppressed. Merkel and her unconditional support for the Israeli murder spree is the prime example for what Palestinians can expect from the EU. Hollow words and few bucks to rebuild the destroyed infrastructure, I mean IL needs new targets for future bombing raids.
Malooga wrote a while back that

Far more valuable is to get ourselves, as nations, to live up to our own professed values. After all, as Chomsky often points out, that is what we are ultimately responsible for, and that is something we actually can change.

How right he is. Our values, compassion and care need to extend further than internet postings and letters to parliamentarians; they need to actually reach the people in Gaza. If it is not us, the ones who actually feel the rage against Israel’s killer regime, who will come to their aid?

Posted by: Juan Moment | Dec 31 2008 11:11 utc | 22

Youtube CNN: Israeli Patrol Boat Rams Gaza Relief Vessel Cynthia McKinney & CNN Penhaul Reports

The Dignity arrives in Tyre, Lebanon, after it was reportedly rammed by an Israeli military vessel Tuesday.
1 of 3 CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul was aboard the 60-foot pleasure boat Dignity when the contact occurred. When the boat later docked in the Lebanese port city of Tyre, severe damage was visible to the forward port side of the boat, and the front left window and part of the roof had collapsed. It was flying the flag of Gibraltar.
The Dignity was carrying crew and 16 passengers — physicians from Britain, Germany and Cyprus and human rights activists from the Free Gaza Solidarity Movement — who were trying to reach Gaza through an Israeli blockade of the territory.
Also on board was former U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney.
Penhaul said an Israeli patrol boat shined its spotlight on the Dignity, and then it and another patrol boat shadowed the Dignity for about a half hour before the collision.
One patrol boat “very severely rammed” the Dignity, Penhaul said.
The captain of the Dignity told Penhaul he received no warning. Only after the collision did the Israelis come on the radio to say they struck the boat because they believed it was involved in terrorist activities, the captain said.
But Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor denied that and said the patrol boat had warned the vessel not to proceed to Gaza because it is a closed military area.
Palmor said there was no response to the radio message, and the vessel then tried to out-maneuver the Israeli patrol boat, leading to the collision. Watch Penhaul describe the boat damage »
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The captain and crew said their vessel was struck intentionally, Penhaul said, but Palmor called those allegations “absurd.”
“There is no intention on the part of the Israeli navy to ram anybody,” Palmor said.
“I would call it ramming. Let’s just call it as it is,” McKinney said after the boat docked in Lebanon. “Our boat was rammed three times, twice in the front and one on the side. Watch Cynthia McKinney discuss the collision »
“Our mission was a peaceful mission to deliver medical supplies and our mission was thwarted by the Israelis — the aggressiveness of the Israeli military,” she said.
The incident occurred in international waters about 90 miles off Gaza. Israel controls the waters off Gaza’s coast and routinely blocks ships from coming into the Palestinian territory as part of an ongoing blockade that also applies to the Israel-Gaza border. Human rights groups have expressed concern about the blockade on Gaza, which has restricted the delivery of emergency aid and fuel supplies.
Tuesday’s collision was so severe, Penhaul said, that the passengers were ordered to put on their life vests and be ready to get in lifeboats. The Dignity began taking on water, but the crew managed to pump it out of the hull long enough for the boat to reach shore.
“It could have ended with people drowning if they hit us more square on,” Dignity’s captain, Denis Healey, said. “It could have gone down in minutes.”
Palmor said the vessel refused assistance after the incident.
The boat was carrying boxes of relief supplies, volunteers and journalists to Gaza, the Palestinian territory that has been subject to an intense Israeli bombing campaign since Saturday.
Israel Tuesday lambasted McKinney — the Green Party’s 2008 candidate for the U.S. presidency and a former Democratic congresswoman from Georgia — for taking part in the maritime mission.
In a written statement, the Consulate General of Israel to the Southeast, based in Atlanta, Georgia, said McKinney “has taken it upon herself to commit an act of provocation,” endangering herself and the crew.
“We regret that during this time of crisis, while Israel is battling with the terrorist organization of Hamas and defending its citizens, that we are forced to deal with Ms. McKinney’s irresponsible behavior,” the statement read.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 31 2008 11:40 utc | 23

Will they ever learn?
no.
this has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions.

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 31 2008 15:42 utc | 24

i have just been listenign to a norwegian doctor from gaza who is speaking haltingly of what he is living, of what he is seeing before his very eyes
je is using exactly the same language as i have been in this last week. he goes further – beseiged gaza is a prison
i have a friend here – a restaraunter – palestinian who has the same problems as i do – fucked heart & diabetes 1 – i am worried for him – this last week has taken years off his life – he & his family feel as impotent as we do. if my language has been intemperate it is because there is no way of witnessing this without being aware of how particularly the israeli govt has followed the nazis inside russia, inside what once once called the jewish pale
everything. everything. the ghettoisation, the destruction of public services, the collective punishements, the exemplary murders, the besieging & the terror bombing
& there is no one, absolutely no one on the israeli political landscape who is not polluted morally by the day to day politics of occupation
marwan bhargouti – perhaps, perhaps – someone capable of leadership of the palestinian people rots in an israeli prison & i do not know what state he is in – or if he is even physically able of such a demand
& it is clear that behind livni, barak etc is that corrupt monster netanyahu who will taker this murder forward into a moral space which no israeli citizen can ever return

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 31 2008 17:30 utc | 25

The USA (like others) is totally reliant on oil. Without it all systems would stop . No oil means no food or water for many millions who will die in the US. USA is vulnerable and therefore dangerous
Therefore it will go to war and kill as necessary to secure oil which God has seen fit to put largly under Arab lands. Trading is not secure enough. Israel is the unsinkable base to launch any war necessary to secure the oil. All understandable.
Jews are using this leverage to further their power ambitions and it has corrupted them. 50 dead babies and 400 dead thousands injured to-date in this present murderous lust for power.
They would be better without power (as the Vatican became when it lost land and armies). Isreal must be disarmed and its ’67 border secured until an overall solution is reached. The USA will not do this because of its need for Israel as a base.
Who will do it. Russia ?. A combination of States? . Americans as a people could if the applied pressure by blocking streets, Gov offices etc. Who cares?. Do USA citizens feel guilty of murder?
Jews are giving people an irrestible reason for a rise in anti semitism which would be a huge mistake.
Is no American smart enough to solve this, the problen they cause, without force. Shame on you.

Posted by: boindub | Dec 31 2008 17:32 utc | 26

war. the pornographers of the israel propaganda ministy – many who are johnnu-come-lately’s to israel itself who speak of war
the palestinians possess no standing army, they have no heavy weaponry, they have no tanks, they have no navy, they have no airforce, they do not even have helicopters. the palestinians do not possess a technological apparatus of any significance – on & on
it is what others have sd – israel is shooting fish in a barrel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 31 2008 17:40 utc | 27

Bolton: Gaza Conflict Could Lead To U.S. Attack On Iran

Top Neo-Con John Bolton told Fox News yesterday that the conflict in Gaza could lead to a U.S. attack on Iran as the former U.S. ambassador to the UN exploited the crisis to propagandize for a new war.
“So while our focus obviously is on Gaza right now, this could turn out to be a much larger conflict,” said Bolton, adding that “we’re looking at potentially a multi-front war here.”
“I don’t think there’s anything at this point standing between Iran and nuclear weapons other than the possibility of the use of military force possibly by the United States, possibly by Israel,” added the former ambassador, suggesting that a strike on Iran’s facilities by Israel alone would be risky but could push Iran back by three or four years…

Does this man ever think of anything else but killing?

Posted by: Juan Moment | Dec 31 2008 19:16 utc | 28

#26, If Americans were sufficiently informed (the domestic news services seem to be giving this story very scant coverage), an approach similar to that used on apartheid South Africa may have some effect.
If you or your firm does business with entities controlled by or owned by Jews, ask them to publicly repudiate Israel’s actions. A public demonstration or two might also be in order.
But you can bet that the right-wing Zionist organizations will also mount a very public campaign that will accuse you of antisemitism. It will do no good to point out that the current situation involves one Semitic people murdering another.

Posted by: Obelix | Dec 31 2008 19:43 utc | 29

bolton is the single most powerful argument about the compensatory powers of wearing a toupée as bolton does
yr right juan – he is a fucking killing machine – i bet the gang at fox news were grabbing each other’s cocks in their endless fury aabandon at the hope of a greater war
whatever bolton has is not treatable & would be kinder to put him down bbut to make sure someone would need to bring a chainsaw

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 31 2008 20:17 utc | 30

Israel has become a pathetic excuse for a nation. At one time they fought off the combined forces of nation states. They are now reduced to gloating over pounding the shit out of a defenseless isolated prison population of their own making, as if it were some heroic national sacrifice. From the occupation of Lebanon, to the 2006 war on Lebanon, and now this siege of Gaza means they continue to ratcheted themselves further into a disrepute so deep they are unlikely to ever emerge. The government of Israel and by all accounts, 80+% of their population, have largely fallen under the spell of a vicious circular reasoning where escape or success becomes progressively more impossible – as they screw themselves yet deeper into the kind of moral and logical decay that made histories greatest losers, live forever in infamy. The legacy produced by their collective insanity will one day arrive unannounced at their doorstep, and, the last thing it will be interested in, is a civilized negotiation for peace.

Posted by: anna missed | Dec 31 2008 20:26 utc | 31

can i use that as a quote anna missed? i will credit you for it.

Posted by: annie | Dec 31 2008 20:34 utc | 32

William Pfaff


As Geoffrey Wheatcroft writes in his book, The Controversy of Zion, the Zionist vision, according to Jabotinsky, “could only be realized by a Jewish minority…and this required the use of force.” He held that “all that is great owes its triumph to the sword.” He was a right-wing nationalist; the Likud party in Israel has always represented his views.
Former president Benjamin Netenyahu and Foreign Minister Tzipi Levni are both from families who were supporters of Jabotinsky. She is a former Mossad operator. Defense Minister Ehud Barak is assumed to share their views.
With Labor in power in Israel in the past, it was always possible to think that a two-state solution was possible between Israelis and Palestinians. This cannot be said about the Jabotinsky right. They do not believe that a settlement with the Arabs is feasible. They believe, as Barak has said, that the bombardment of Gaza must continue until Hamas is destroyed. Hamas is an unacceptable element in the region, as they envisage it. Israel was humiliated by Hizbollah in Lebanon two years ago. It must reestablish its position of total military domination of the Middle East. Destroying Hamas is the way to do it.
The present Israeli government seems now to think that it can do this in Gaza, before the new administration in the United States of Barack Obama takes power. It is a show of force intended as a demonstration to the United States, as well as to Hamas.

This is the last part – the whole article is worth a read.

Posted by: Hamburger | Dec 31 2008 21:27 utc | 33

To slothrop @5
There are perhaps two different reasons one might not be especially fond of Benny Morris. Norman Finkelstein summarizes:

Thus, as already mentioned, the scholarly consensus is that Palestinians were ethnically cleansed in 1948. Israel’s leading historian, Benny Morris, although having done more than anyone else to clarify exactly what happened, nonetheless concludes that, morally, it was a good thing — just as, in his view, the ‘annihilation’ of Native Americans was a good thing–that legally, Palestinians have no right to return to their homes, and that, politically, Israel’s big error in 1948 was that it hadn’t ‘carried out a large expulsion and cleansed the whole country–the whole Land of Israel, as far as the Jordan” of Palestinians.’
(from N Finkelstein, Beyond Chutzpah pg 5. Benny Morris quotes from: Ari Shavit, “Survival of the Fittest,” interview with Benny Morris, Haaretz 9 January 2004)

So, one might dislike BM for accurately detailing the ethnic cleansing of Palestine — or — one might hate him for his advocacy of ethnic cleansing of “inferior races”.
I never read that much of BM before, and personally thank you for directing me to his latest pronouncements (in the NYT op-ed). The guy seems certifiable. If what he says is, in fact, how “all Israelis” feel then I guess this is a good example of a mass hysteria and the carrying out of a self-fullfilling prophesy of impending doom. He covers all the bases except the obvious one of negotiating in good faith.
Remember something like “Whom the Gods would distroy they first make mad”?

Posted by: oboblomov | Dec 31 2008 21:29 utc | 34

Juan Moment,
Strapping Ambassador Bolton inside a humvee and putting him on the front lines in Iraq would be one surefire way to get him to stop being so gung-ho for war.
And notice his Freudian slip. He says that Iran is on a quest to develop “nuclear power.” This just goes to show that deep down he knows that Iran is out to develop a civilian nuclear program, not necessarily a military one.

Posted by: Cynthia | Dec 31 2008 21:35 utc | 35

i cannot help remembering what john pilger sd happened in an interview with bolton – where his toupee kept slifing off his head – ever since i hear that anecdote — coupled with his subnietzschean moustache – only his fellow lunatics at the american enterprise institute could take him seriouslly

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 1 2009 0:27 utc | 36

thanks everyone, for the great thread… esp. anna missed and r’giap.

Posted by: bea | Jan 1 2009 4:54 utc | 37

it seems clear today that the state of israel is mad enough for a land offensive
still, it will be shooting dish in a barrel but it will highlight if any highlighting needs to be done how immoral the israelia action is
the repercussions of such an offensive the world cannot begin to comprehend

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 1 2009 16:01 utc | 38

Ibrahim Al-Jamaj
Ibrahim Al-Jamaj
Isma’il Al-Husari
Isma’il Salem
Isma’il Ghneim
Eyman Natour
Eyhab Ash-Shaer
Ibrahim Mahfoudh
Abu Ali Ar-Rahhal
Ahmad Al-Halabi
Ahmad Al-Kurd
Ahmad Al-Lahham
Ahmad Al-Hums
Ahmad At-Talouli
Ahmad Zu’rub
Ahmad Abu Jazar
Ahmad Radwan
Ahmad ‘Udah
Ahmad Abu Mousa
Ahmad Tbeil
Adham Al-Areini
Osama Abu Ar-Rus
Osama Abu Ar-Reish
Osama Darweish
Ashraf Ash-Sharabasi
Ashraf Abu Suhweil
Amjad Abu Jazar
Ameen Az-Zarbatli
Anas Hamad
Anwar Al-Bardini
Anwar Al-Kurd
Ayman Abu Ammouna
Ayman An-Nahhal
Ibrahim Abu Ar-Rus
Basil Dababish
Bassam Makkawi
Bilal Omar
Bahaa Abu Zuhri
Tamir Qreinawi
Tamir Abu Afsha
Tawfiq Al-Fallit
Tawfiq Jabir
Thaer Madi
Jabir Jarbu’
Hatim Abu Sha’ira
Hamid Yasin
Husam Ayyash
Hasan Baraka
Hasan Abid Rabbo
Hasan Al-Majayda
Hussein Al-A’raj
Hussein Dawood
Hussein ‘Uroq
Hakam Abu Mansi
Hamada Abu Duqqa
Hamada Safi
Hamdan Abu Nu’eira
Haydar Hassuna
Khalid Zu’rub
Khalid Abu Hasna
Khalid An-Nashasi
Khalid Shaheen
Raed Dughmush
Rami Ash-Sheikh
Raafat Shamiyya
Riziq Salman
Rif’at Sa’da
Rafiq Na’im
Ramzi Al-Haddad
Ziyad Abu ‘Ubada
Sarah Al-Hawajiri
Salim Abu Shamla
Salim Qreinawi
Sa’id Hamada
Salim Al-Gharir
Suheil Tambura
Shadi Sbakhi
Shahada Quffa
Shahada Abd ar-Rahman
Sabir Al-Mabhouh
Suhayb Abu ‘Iffat
Suhayb Abd al-‘aal
Tal’at Salman
Tal’at Basal
‘Aasim Ash-Shaer
‘Aasim Abu Kamil
Abid Ad-Dahshan
Abd ar-Raziq Shahtu
Abd as-Sami’ An-Nashar
Abdul-Fattah Abu ‘Uteiwi
Abdul-Fattah Fadil
Abdullah Juneid
Abdullah Al-Ghafari
Abdullah Rantisi
Abdullah Wahbi
Arafat Farajallah
Azmi Abu Dalal
Isam Al-Ghirbawi
‘Alaa Al-Qatrawi
‘Alaa Al-Kahlout
‘Alaa ‘Uqeilan
‘Alaa Nasr Ar-Ra’i
Ali Awad
Imab Abu Al-Hajj
Omar Darawsha
Omran Ar-ran
Anan Ghaliya
Gharib Al-Assar
Fayiz Riyad Al-Madhoun
Fayiz Ayada Al-Madhoun
Fayiz Abu Al-Qumsan
Camellia Al-Bardini
Ma’moun Sleim
Mazin ‘Ulayyan
Muhammad Al-Ghimri
Muhammad Al-Halabi
Muhammad Asaliyya
Muhammad Az-Zatma
Muhammad Az-ahra
Muhammad Gaza
Muhammad An-Nuri
Muhammad Abu Sabra
Muhammad Abu ‘Amir
Muhammad Abu Libda
Muhammad Hboush
Muhammad Al-Mabhouh
Muhammad Sha’ban
Muhammad Abu ‘Abdo
Muhammad Salih
Muhammad Tabasha
Muhammad Al-Habeil
Muhammad Abdullah Aziz
Muhammad Abdul-Wahhab Aziz
Muhammad Awad
Muhammad Abd An-Nabi
Muhammad Salih
Muhammad An-Najari
Muhammad Hamad
Muhammad Barakat
Muhammad Muhanna
Mahmoud Al-Khalidi
Mahmoud Abu Harbeid
Mahmoud Abu Matar
Mahmoud Abu Tabour
Mahmoud Abu Nahla
Mustafa Al-Khateib
Mustafa As-Sabbak
Mu’ein Hamada
Mu’ein Al-Hasan
Mumtaz An- Najjar
Mansour Al-Gharra
Nasser Al-Gharra
Nahidh Abu Namous
Nabil Al-Breim
Nathir Al-Louqa
Ni’ma Al-Maghari
Na’im Kheit
Na’im Al-Kafarna
Na’im Al-Anzi
Nimir Amoum
Hisham Rantisi
Hisham Al-Masdar
Hisham Abu ‘Uda
Hisham ‘Uweida
Humam An-Najjar
Hanaa Al-Mabhouh
Haytham Hamdan
Haytham Ash-Sher
Wadei’ Al-Muzayyin
Wasim Azaza
Walid Abu Hein
Walid Jabir Abu Hein
Yasser Ash-Shaer
Yasser Al-Lahham
Yahya Al-Hayik
Yahya Sheikha
Yahya Mahmoud Sheikha
Yousif Thabit
Yousif Al-Jallad
Yousif Sha’ban
Yousif Diab
Yousif Al-Anani
Yousif An-Najjar
Younis Ad-Deiri
linked from angry arab

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 1 2009 16:09 utc | 39

the above is only a small part of those who have been murdered by the state of israel. the deaths continue. skin, bone & blood. they are not numbers.
they are your breath as well as mine

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 1 2009 17:09 utc | 40

christ, how many times can a livni or a bark mention ‘tewwowist’ & ‘tewwowism’ in a single sentence. clearly they have gone to rudy guiliani school of syntax

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 1 2009 17:38 utc | 41

“change the equation”, “change the reality” – what an obsence thing language can be

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 1 2009 17:44 utc | 42

jennifer loewenstein – total war on gaza

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 1 2009 20:11 utc | 43

I was surprised that this happened, but YNET has shown the great words from Anna Missed above where I cut and pasted it to about a British firm’s boycott.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 1 2009 20:32 utc | 44

rgiap – i wonder if you have it in you to write something more about the parallels you referenced above. It could make a very powerful post, if there were sources or some verification of the accuracy of the details — side by side.

Posted by: bea | Jan 2 2009 3:19 utc | 45

A very important piece by David Bromwich from the Huffington Post, posted here in full because it’s that good (with apologies for the length):

In the days before Israel’s overwhelming retaliation, Hamas — the anti-Israel terrorist sect and democratically elected majority party in Gaza — harassed the towns bordering Gaza with missile attacks that made ordinary life impossible. It was a matter of chance that not one Israeli was killed by the missiles. Six days ago Israel launched its response: the first stage of a collective punishment which was six months in the making. Round-the-clock attacks by American-built F-16s and Apache helicopters targeted Hamas militants, and also hit the civic institutions of Gaza: a police school, an interior ministry, a president’s guest house, a university. AFG Global Edition reported on December 30 that the first three days of the Israeli attacks saw 373 Palestinians killed (including 39 children) and 1720 wounded. Hamas fired into Israel more than 250 rockets and mortar shells. Four persons in Israel were killed and about two dozen wounded.
As American politicians have been careful to say, Hamas provoked the attack. But go back to the blockade of Gaza by air, land, and sea — trace all the oppressions of the siege that after January 2006 turned this arid strip of land into a prison where fuel and electricity are non-existent and most ambulances do not run — and cause and consequence become more complex. “Disproportion” hardly suggests the dimensions of the slaughter apparent in the unevenness of the two sets of figures above.
There is a word for the straightforward killing of enemies by a superior force where the victims are sparsely equipped and the odds one-sided. Much of the world is calling Israel’s actions in Gaza a massacre. By contrast the American press has been cleansed and euphemized. “3rd Day of Bombings,” said the New York Times headline on December 30, “Takes Out Interior Ministry.” Takes out. The Times paid an involuntary homage to George W. Bush: “I think it’s a good thing for the world that we took out Saddam Hussein.” Under that phrase are half a million Iraqis killed and a country destroyed. And for Israel in Gaza?
The U.S. and Israel share many things. A form of government, it is sometimes said; a set of ideals. But much more in the past ten years the U.S. and Israel have shared a fantasy. The fantasy says that the Arabs understand only force. It says we can end terrorism by killing all the terrorists. The neighbors of the terrorists will be overawed. No new terrorists will be created. Finally, when every face on the president’s fifty-two card deck is crossed out and the known composition of Hamas is dead, we can “address the social conditions” that foster terrorism. But perhaps there are no such conditions. Do the terrorists not hate for hate’s sake?
You can see the shape of the fantasy most distinctly in the writings of those journalistic enablers who move into position as soon as either country starts a war that needs interpreting. “It was Israel at its best,” writes Yossi Klein Halevy, a typical war broker, in a New Republic column posted on December 29. “In response to random attacks aimed at civilians, Israel launched precise attacks aimed at terrorists.” Halevy does not add that the precise attacks killed almost 400 persons and that one death in every four was civilian.
Another war broker on Gaza has been David Brooks. In a column of January 29, 2006 entitled “The Long Transition,” Brooks pointed out that democracy often leads to “bad choices.” The people of Gaza, said Brooks, in electing the Hamas government had made a bad choice. This error he attributed to the “traumatic phase” in the gradual maturing of “a romantic, revolutionary people.” It was the duty of America and Europe to teach the Palestinians to choose again until they choose right. The task was “to isolate Hamas” and devote our energies to “finding and fostering” an opposition to Hamas. The siege of Gaza, the rejection by Europe and America of the Palestine Unity Government, and the attempted insurrection in Gaza by Fatah thugs bankrolled by the same powers, might all be said to be pardoned in advance by such a salutary intent.
But a fantasy is no wilder than methods it answers for; and Israel and the U.S. now hold as common property a whole school of counterinsurgency tactics. The citizen of Baghdad who said of the walls General Petraeus built to separate the good from the bad, “This reminds me of another wall,” was only saying what many Arabs must have thought when they reflected on the “surge” in Iraq and its precursor in the West Bank. Israel has most often, these past few years, been the teacher and the United States the pupil. An article by Dexter Filkins in the New York Times on December 7, 2003 reported that the rules of engagement used by the U.S. in Iraq were modeled on the Israeli rules for Gaza and the West Bank. On the other hand, what is happening now in Gaza is plainly modeled on the American “shock and awe” in Iraq; it derives indirect permission from the fact that Americans never regretted that first stage of what we did to Iraq. Also, somewhere in back of the Israeli methods are usually American equipment and an American brand name. Apache helicopters and F-16s for the missiles and the bombs, and a Caterpillar bulldozer to reduce the house to rubble.
There is one art of peace that Israel might have learned from the United States: equal rights and citizenship for all the people of the country. But this, Israel has not learned, and in the nature of its constitution it cannot learn without a radical change of self-definition. The difference ought to be a fact of some interest to the first non-white president-elect of the United States; but the response of Barack Obama to the slaughter in Gaza has been a nerveless silence. “If somebody,” he said last summer, “was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I’m going to do everything in my power to stop that, and I would expect Israelis to do the same thing.” He has left it at that, for now, and made no comment on Israel’s showing this week of the scale of obliteration that lies in its power.
Obama would not in fact do everything, he would not destroy a city of innocent people. But one may note the resonance of “everything,” a word that crept into his usage once before and revealingly, in his AIPAC speech. There, Obama said three times that he would do everything to assist Israel against a threat from a nuclear Iran. When Israel is on the minds and the Israel Lobby script is in the mouths of American politicians, every statement takes on a quality at once categorical and unreal.
We have stopped thinking for long enough. We might start again with a definition. A terrorist is not a function X, the compacted essence of evil. A terrorist is someone who kills and approves the killing of undefended civilians to achieve political ends. Thus the Israeli commander who ordered the attack on the university in Gaza was an agent of state terror. The Hamas soldier who fired the missile that killed an Israeli woman yesterday was an agent of guerrilla terror. But terrorists, too, act from motives. To suppose their only instinct is a fevered hatred of everything we are is to yield to madness. Kill them all becomes the only imaginable policy then. Kill them, or else install a dependency so sweeping and abject that not a man in Gaza mounts a bicycle, not a woman crosses a street, not a child eats a morsel of food but by permission of the Israel Defense Forces. It is hard to see what else the current actions of Israel are looking toward.
The Democratic party grandee Ann Lewis said recently (as quoted in an excellent Salon column by Glenn Greenwald): “The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel.” The statement is absurd. No country ever gave another country so blind a endorsement. Such a pure identification of interests would amount to the signing away of the conscience of the nation that granted it. We cannot make our fidelity a pawn for another’s injustice; and more than conscience forbids it. Prudence also does. Even in the depths of the Second World War the U.S. never said it would support every decision made by the people of Britain, nor did it say in the Cold War that it would do whatever the people of Formosa wanted, or what the people of West Germany wanted. Such a surrender of judgment, even if it were practicable, would be a curse that harms the receiver as much as the giver. To support without question the decisions of any person or any people, is to accept a standard of friendship or fealty above the standard of right and wrong. Do that, and you resign yourself to a world of injustice.
The eighteenth-century moral thinker Joseph Butler once gave us one of those sentences that are so true they earn a separate life for themselves. “Every thing,” said Butler, “is what it is, and not another thing.” Gaza is not Iraq then. Mumbai is not New York, and the contests against terrorists are not the War on Terror. Butler also asked once in passing: “Why might not whole communities and public bodies be seized with fits of insanity, as well as individuals?” We have seen it happen in our time. This surmise received vivid confirmation from the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon who told the Haaretz reporter Meron Rappaport in a story published on December 9, 2006: “What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs.”
Israel and the United States have evolved, almost behind our backs, from the countries we read about in histories to militaristic societies widely seen as oppressors by those on the wrong end of our adventures abroad. Israel has the better excuse, driven half mad by threats and wars and the suicide bombings of the Second Intifada; but a series of queasy concessions to the fanatical colonists who are sometimes miscalled “settlers” have deformed its politics from within. The U.S. may now be the country with the stronger hope, and therefore the stronger partner. Anyway one thing is sure. When an allied nation goes out of itself, in the same sense in which a person may be out of himself, the work of a friend is to say no and no again and refuse to give the self-destruction our blessing.

Posted by: bea | Jan 2 2009 3:23 utc | 46

And another very important piece by Sara Roy today – the ground is shifting:

….In nearly 25 years of involvement with Gaza and Palestinians, I have not had to confront the horrific image of burned children – until today.
Yet for Palestinians it is more than an image, it is a reality, and because of that I fear something profound has changed that will not easily be undone. For how, in the context of Gaza today, does one speak of reconciliation as a path to liberation, of sympathy as a source of understanding? Where does one find or even begin to create a common field of human undertaking (to borrow from the late, acclaimed Palestinian scholar, Edward Said) so essential to coexistence?
It is one thing to take an individual’s land, his home, his livelihood, to denigrate his claims, or ignore his emotions. It is another to destroy his child. What happens to a society where renewal is denied and all possibility has ended?
And what will happen to Jews as a people whether we live in Israel or not? Why have we been unable to accept the fundamental humanity of Palestinians and include them within our moral boundaries? Rather, we reject any human connection with the people we are oppressing. Ultimately, our goal is to tribalize pain, narrowing the scope of human suffering to ourselves alone.
Our rejection of “the other” will undo us. We must incorporate Palestinians and other Arab peoples into the Jewish understanding of history, because they are a part of that history. We must question our own narrative and the one we have given others, rather than continue to cherish beliefs and sentiments that betray the Jewish ethical tradition.
Jewish intellectuals oppose racism, repression, and injustice almost everywhere in the world and yet it is still unacceptable – indeed, for some, it’s an act of heresy – to oppose it when Israel is the oppressor. This double standard must end.

Posted by: bea | Jan 2 2009 3:28 utc | 47

This piece stinks to heaven — something tells me that there will be a ground offensive in progress before dawn. Also I heard that Israeli ambulances are massing at the border. Another clear indication.
Timesonline – and strategically placed as screaming header on Huffington Post too: “Gaza rockets put Israelis nuclear plant in battle zone”

Despite a diplomatic mission by Tzipi Livni, the Israeli Foreign Minister, to Paris, the Israeli army continued to muster thousands of troops and scores of tanks along Gaza’s border for a possible ground offensive. Israel’s airstrikes are designed to blunt Hamas’s capacity to fire its new Grad missiles deep into its territory. The weapons are smuggled in through tunnels and by sea, replacing homemade Qassam rockets.
Israeli officials say that Hamas has also acquired dozens of Iranian-made Fajr-3 missiles with an even longer range. Many fear that as the group acquires ever more sophisticated weaponry it is only a matter of time before the nuclear installation at Dimona, 20 miles east of Beersheba, falls within its sights. Dimona houses Israel’s only nuclear reactor and is believed to be where nuclear warheads are stored.
Israel’s worst nightmare is that soon all its cities will be within range either of the Hezbollah Katyushas arrayed on the Lebanese border to the north or the increasingly sophisticated missiles stockpiled by Hamas to the south. Both groups have links to Israel’s archenemy Iran.

Give me a break…. those rockets are so ill-aimed it’s laughable.

Posted by: bea | Jan 2 2009 4:22 utc | 48

Priceless – Front page story in Haaretz now:
IDF admits to overestimating Gaza rocket severity, but warns worst may be yet to come

The threat that Hamas’ ballistic capabilities pose to the people of the Negev is less serious than initially presumed and the residents of the targeted areas are not demonstrating signs of panic [however the Times, in London, is – Ed.], according to an interim analysis by the Israel Defense Forces of the situation nearly a week after the launching of Operation Cast Lead in the Gaza Strip.
The analysis, which the IDF compiled with the Defense Ministry, also said the authorities’ ability to tend to the needs of the population has much improved compared to their performance in the 2006 Second Lebanon War.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who toured the Negev yesterday with Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilani, said that Hamas’ capabilities “cannot be compared” with those of Hezbollah.
In six days of fighting, Hamas has fired some 350 rockets into Israel. In 2006, Kiryat Shmona and its immediate surroundings alone took 1,000 rockets.
These figures show that IDF officers and defense experts overestimated Hamas’ ballistic capabilities so far, which were said to allow the organization to launch up to 200 rockets every day while under fire from launcher-hunting Israel Air Force crafts.
Of the 350 rockets that Hamas has fired since Saturday, at least 40 were Katyusha rockets with a range of 40 kilometers. In some cases, Hamas’ rockets even reached 43 kilometers from the launch sites.
Vilnai nonetheless added that should the IDF mount a ground invasion into the Strip, Hamas is expected to pick up the pace and take more risks in launching rockets.

Oh, so it’s the offensive itself that might provoke the rocket that might hit the nuclear plant… an outcome which isn’t even contemplated here anyway…

Posted by: bea | Jan 2 2009 4:32 utc | 49

Lenin’s Tomb has a sad but true post up on just how sickening the machine has become. Here is a passage:

So far, we have been given the impression in media reports that the majority of those killed have been in some sense not civilians. The UN has suggested that of its estimate of 320 deadths, about 62 are civilians (see chart embedded in this news story). I had assumed that this was because the majority of those killed were policemen and, for some reason, we are all going along with Tel Aviv in not considering this a civilian profession. However! Apparently, I was under-estimating the creativity of the statisticians, for here’s a weird thing (spotted by Keith): the UN’s tally of the civilian dead “does not include civilian casualties who are men”. There is no such thing as a civilian adult male in Gaza! According to this supposed scourge of Israel, any Gazan male with a bit of size on him is fair game.

That IL has had this fucked up attitude is nothing new, been practically like that ever since IL’s illegal occupation started, but to see the UN now adopting these inhumane habits is just another sign for the world’s rapidly deteriorating standards.
What gets me is how resistance fighters are always accused of hiding amongst civilians, like when Israel via missile takes out a Hamas leader when he’s at home with his family. They fuckin live there. They don’t have forts, barracks and air bases they can retreat back to and defend, all they have is mud brick houses and mosques they live and worship in.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Jan 2 2009 6:29 utc | 50

like when Israel via missile takes out a Hamas leader when he’s at home with his family.
Be sure and watch the AP video at the link. Note the cavalier and light tone of the announcer, as if he is talking about the results of a basketball match.
So now it’s not only legit to commit targeted assassination from the air, but to do so while someone is at home — that place that is supposed to be your “sacrosanct safe base” — with his extended family… who by the happens to live in Jabaliya, a refugee camp with 107,000 residents living on 1.4 sq km? No, none of those facts are relevant…
Of course this is not the first time and certainly won’t be the last. But still it completely blows one’s mind how this type of crime is accepted by the world and the media as if it is understandable and legitimate, part of the normal routine of human behavior…. just another day’s work.
Someone sent me an email recently with an editorial that began thus:

What is the weight of a Palestinian?
Palestinians must be very light; they must be lighter than birds. They must be like clouds, like the very air. Their deaths weigh no one down. No one’s conscience seems to ache when they’re killed.

Posted by: bea | Jan 2 2009 12:27 utc | 51