Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
December 15, 2008
Iraqi Weapons

Juan Cole cites some Iraqi weapon purchase:

• Shoes

Then he adds:

These
new weapons for the Iraq will be delivered in 2013, and they
are sophisticated and difficult to operate and maintain, so will
require training and technical help from the US military.

McClatchy writes:

Striking someone with a shoe is a grave insult in Islam.

Duh. Is throwing shoes a sign of affection in Christianity? Do Buddhist throw shoes at each other to express gratitude?

Comments

As for throwing shoes, there is the old wedding custom of throwing a shoe or shoes at the newly married couple for luck. Goes back forever, have no idea how it started. Here’s what I can find about it online:
“The tradition of tying old shoes to the back of the Couple’s car, for example, stems from Tudor times when guests would throw shoes at the Bride & Groom, with great luck being bestowed on them if they or their carriage were hit!
“In Anglo Saxon times the Bride was symbolically struck with a shoe by her Groom to establish his authority. Brides would then throw shoes at their bridesmaids to see who would marry next.”

Posted by: Ensley | Dec 15 2008 5:10 utc | 1

In Christianity and Buddhism throwing shoes may signify anger, but it is not a grave insult.
I am going to take a picture of the bottom of my shoes, but it and the Iraqi’s journalists words on a postcard, and send it on to the White House. I make the postcards from card stock paper and use wide clear tape to keep the photo on the post card.
I hope all Americans will join me.

Posted by: Susan | Dec 15 2008 6:39 utc | 2

Many of our FDL readers are sending shoes to the WH or following Hubris’ suggestion below.
Raed in the Middle has launched a petition on his behalf here – http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/montather/
Update on Muthathar al Zaida from McClatchy: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/57803.html
Another Iraqi journalist yanked Zaidi to the ground before bodyguards collapsed on Zaidi and held him there while he yelled “Killer of Iraqis, killer of children.” From the bottom of the pile, he moaned loudly and said “my hand, my hand.”
Zaidi was hauled to a separate room, where his cries remained audible for a few moments.
It wasn’t clear whether Zaidi was hurt. His employer, Cairo-based Baghdadiyah Television, released a statement late Sunday demanding Zaidi’s release from Iraqi custody.
“Any action taken against Muntathar will remind us of the actions and behaviors taken by the reign of the dictator and the violence, the random arrests, the mass graves and confiscations of freedom from the people,” the board of Baghdadiyah said.
Friends said Zaidi covered the U.S. bombing of Baghdad’s Sadr City area earlier this year and had been “emotionally influenced” by the destruction he’d seen. They also said he’d been kidnapped in 2007 and held for three days by Shiite Muslim gunmen…
Two other Iraqi journalists were briefly detained after the press conference. An Iraqi security guard hauled them away because one of them called Zaidi’s actions “courageous.” They were released. One of them said American officials helped free them.
Hubris Sonic has a suggestion for anyone who might have some extra old shoes – check it out here. Suggested message care of Fighting Liberals:
“Footing the Bill for The Bush Presidency -in honor of our brothers and sister in Iraq”

Posted by: Siun | Dec 15 2008 7:28 utc | 3

Firesign Theatre:
Shoes for the dead.
HI! I’m Joe Beats.
Say, what chance does a deceased returning war veteran have for that good payin’ job, more sugar, and that free Mule we’ve all been dreaming of?
Now take off your shoes.
Now you can see how increased spending opportunities, mean harder work for everyone, and more of it, too! So, do yourself a favor, Joe. Join with millions of your friends and neighbors, and, TAKE OFF YOUR SHOES!
“For INDUSTRY!”

Posted by: biklett | Dec 15 2008 8:33 utc | 4

I for one love these kind of spontaneous media captured events, whereby certain pristine truths are revealed in an unexpected little black swan sort of way. Like McCain calling out in vain for a missing Joe the plumber, an oblivious Sarah Palin blathering platitudes while turkeys are being slaughtered by a grinning goon in the background, or an Illinois governor imitating in real life Tony Soprano for real. These are real life metaphors that the thousands of words might (and will try) to explain away but never really can, and can’t. These are the real life metaphors the pentagon, psyops, and the CIA spend billions of dollars every year trying to replicate, and never really can, and can’t.

Posted by: anna missed | Dec 15 2008 10:02 utc | 5

And then there is of course the whole shoe thing itself. As it first entered into the American consciousness during the Firdos Square staged extravaganza when the unknown Iraqi was beating Saddam’s head with his shoe, and subsequently spun worldwide in what now is commonly understood to be a fraudulent event. Billmon used to talk of such juxtapositions as a matter of a “contrast gainer”, event where one thing is shone to be superior through its contrast with another. And with this event there can be little doubt about how the contrast between the last memory of the shoe thing, and the new version. These things mean something to Americans, given their multicultural orientation. Whereby they naturally appropriate things from other cultures more redly than other people, something indicated by what Siun said about Americans (already) sending their old shoes to the white house. And underlined by how the phrase “the mother of all …..” was appropriated from Saddam himself, and is now ubiquitous in American slang. If Bush had any sense he would have allowed the shoe to hit him.

Posted by: anna missed | Dec 15 2008 10:47 utc | 6

Bush has been seen in so many humiliating situations during his years in power so this one is just one of many…He is not capable of shame so it really does not mean much to him personally, I am sure. To me he looked like Bozo that everyone can through balls at in Entertainment Park. It’s only that he is not entertaining at all and as his action had very serious consequences I would only be satisfied if I see him in jail for long term . For poor helpless Iraqis this probably had at least some satisfaction and I can understand it.
For Americans it shouldn’t be enough…and all though sending shoes to WH would show that their humor is still alive, for what those crooks and creeps did to USA I expect much more sophisticated ideas to follow…

Posted by: vbo | Dec 15 2008 13:20 utc | 7

Not sure how tangential this might be, but could anyone explain to me the custom of throwing shoes around electricity wires/phone wires? I’ve never understood that one..

Posted by: A | Dec 15 2008 13:58 utc | 8

Foreign shoes used percussively just seem to strike a chord with American audiences.
I think this has to do with the peculiar aversion to humility shared by most mainstream Americans. In Christianity, the act of foot washing is viewed as an act of abject humility and the association has been strongly planted in the minds of Americans. Despite what the evangelicals will tell you about the USA being a “Christian nation”, Americans strongly eschew humility as contemptible and elevate pride to the status of the highest of virtues. Thus, shoes and feet are beneath them. So to speak.
I rarely have to take off my shoes to tread American sacred ground, but I do in Hindu and Buddhist temples outside of the USA. I think it’s because what is truly sacred to Americans has little to do with place… they seem to feel that everywhere is secular since everything has a price tag, and they can own it anyway. But what is truly sacrosanct to them is their aristocracy. You really want to piss off an American, touch one of their royalty with your feet.
Anyway, I think George ducked a half second too soon for me to buy this as an entirely spontaneous incident.

Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 15 2008 15:20 utc | 9

Anyway, I think George ducked a half second too soon for me to buy this as an entirely spontaneous incident.
I had the same thought, Monolycus. but if it was staged, why? in any case, it should also be noted Dana Perino got a black eye from getting jabbed by a microphone in the melee afterwards. perfect.

Posted by: Lizard | Dec 15 2008 15:54 utc | 10

anna missed at 5 & 6:
I share your amusement. My favorite is the massage scene with Angela Merkel!

Posted by: D. Mathews | Dec 15 2008 16:05 utc | 11

…if it was staged, why?
Drama. Total absence of mortal danger, but front page material all the way.
The American public has become too soft with/sympathetic to the Iraqis to stay fired up over the latest al Qaeda #2/lieutenant (remember what a yawner that mid-season replacement al-Zarqawi was?) and “back the commander-in-chief” when he inevitably reneges on the proposed SOFA. “Terrorism” and “security” are played out, but petty slaps in the face will keep the American public bleeding themselves to death at whomever they’re pointed.
Americans will gladly incinerate men, women and children with white phosphorus over a perceived insult such as stock footage of dancing Palestinians or the bodies of some burned mercenaries, whereas they are no longer alarmed enough by “terrorists” to turn their bottled water over to a TSA agent without grumbling nowadays. Unlike the fear response, the righteous indignation response never seems to become fatigued.
That’s the thing about barbarian cultures, they never deviate from the ethnographies, and Americans are particularly easy to play. They like to observe others oh, so clinically (“Muslims are offended by shoes, you say! Whatever next?”), but utterly fail to understand how very, very primitive their own behaviours read with only the slightest of distance from it.

Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 15 2008 16:24 utc | 12

A –
A pair of athletic shoes, laces tied together and tossed around electric/phone wires is a sign that there is a crackhouse or crack dealer in the vicinity or on the premises. At least that’s how it is in the midwestern USA.

Posted by: foilhatgrrl | Dec 15 2008 18:02 utc | 13

He’s ducked everything else in his miserable life, why not a couple of shoes?

Posted by: beq | Dec 15 2008 18:15 utc | 14

well b, angry arab is always remembering us of the ‘shoes’ thing… surely is not a sign of affection anywhere, but seems that people all over arabia put a great deal of meaning in this kind of insult
i agree that dumbya has been caught on tape in a variety of ridiculous situations, but my understanding is that this one is quite a powerful imagery, the kind that lasts many many years
this video is being seeing at a rate of 70.000 views per hour at youtube
as for the staging, it looks like he reacts in the exact moment when the journalist prepares to launch his weapon of semiotic destruction… surely this guy is gonna have avenues named after him when iraq is free of foreign occupation…

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 15 2008 18:41 utc | 15

ups, me #15

Posted by: rudolf | Dec 15 2008 18:42 utc | 16

Throwing shoes is a dire insult. Of course harmless, symbolic. A gesture of disdain, dismissal, insult.
One, or two? shoes for up to 2 million dead?
For all the bombs, shooting, arrests, terror, imprisonment, destruction of agriculture and health care, so dirty water, sickness, starvation.
Displacement, crouching in cold bombed out buildings, waiting days at the morgue to find a loved one, 70% unemployment.
Cowering at the soldiers yelling, kicking, shooting, taking ppl away and along the line stealing jewelry and money and throwing all the food on the floor. Sometimes, raping or taking away the little girls. (I add the last for shock value.)
Feeding two spoons to the littlest, then there is no more?
Torture? No accountability?
And then revenge, an insulting gesture, shoes thrown? All over the media?
Hallucinating.

Posted by: Tangerine | Dec 15 2008 18:50 utc | 17

I find it telling that they are giving the reporter drug and alcohol tests. Apparently, the govt consensus is that ‘sober’ Iraqis are really quite happy and therefore uncomplaining about the continuing war and the murder and maiming of their countrymen.

Posted by: Ensley | Dec 15 2008 18:59 utc | 18

Monty Python on the meaning of shoes.
@ #8 check out the movie “Wag the Dog”

Posted by: Sgt Dan | Dec 15 2008 19:17 utc | 19

I don’t follow, b. It’s the Iraqi equivalent of giving him two middle fingers and calling his mother a whore. That’s a little different than, say, throwing a pie at him.

Posted by: scarshapedstar | Dec 15 2008 19:38 utc | 20

b,
Why dump on Juan Cole? This is the second time you’ve put Juan Cole in a negative light. Just curious.
IB

Posted by: Iron Butterfly | Dec 15 2008 19:58 utc | 21

@20 – It’s the Iraqi equivalent of giving him two middle fingers and calling his mother a whore.
Guess what, the Iraqis know how to give two middle fingers and calling Bush’s mother a whore. Throwing shoes is an escalation form that as throwing pies.
@21 – Why dump on Juan Cole? This is the second time you’ve put Juan Cole in a negative light. Just curious.
It was just a continuation of the post before this one. The base behind “Striking someone with a shoe is a grave insult in Islam” and “Iraqis are incapable to use these complicate planes without U.S. help” is the same.
It was at least the fifth or sixth time I put Cole in a negative light I hope. He deserves to stand there. While he has some interesting stuff to say, he is also quite biased towards certain streams in the Middle East and mixes U.S. platitudes into his work to keep is base covered.

Posted by: b | Dec 15 2008 20:29 utc | 22

Bollocks, b. Even showing your sole at someone is considered a grave insult in Arab countries, so your sniping at Cole only reveals how little you actually know about Middle Eastern culture.
This site is becoming increasingly pathetic.

Posted by: Klaus | Dec 15 2008 22:00 utc | 23

Throwing shoes is an old Hebrew insult as well: (Psalm 60). I think it indicates disdain for an enemy or a claims of conquest. Poor George. I guess the White House press corp can only get interviews bare foot now!

Posted by: Diogenes | Dec 15 2008 22:44 utc | 24

outstanding!
I take exception to him calling the worthless POS a dog though.
that’s a grievous insult to non mass-murdering and non war criminal dogs everywhere.

Posted by: ran | Dec 15 2008 23:27 utc | 25

While I fully agree with b and angry arab that the rote repetition of ‘a great insult’ has grown really really tiresome, I was thinking maybe it’s better to let the US press run with the theme. Because, an insult more or less falls in the realm of freedom of expression, right? If Muntazar el Zeid survives incarceration, his lawyers can hopefully secure a lighter sentence with that argument…

Posted by: Alamet | Dec 15 2008 23:40 utc | 26

Roads to Iraq:
Urgent, just reported: Al-Zaidi in U.S. run Camp Cropper prison

Iraqi TV al-Sharqiya just reported on the news that AL-Zaidi is transferred to Camp Cropper prison [the Airport prison, managed by the American forces].
The TV Channel announced that Al-Zaidi is in a difficult condition, with broken ribs and signs of tortures on his thighs. Also he can not move his right arm.

Posted by: Alamet | Dec 15 2008 23:53 utc | 27

Thousands Demand Release of Shoe Throwing Journalist

telegraph.co.uk — Thousands of Iraqis have taken to the streets to demand the release of a reporter who threw his shoes at President George Bush.

I can’t say what I really want to say, it’d get me a visit by the SS and prolly land me in prison too…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 16 2008 4:03 utc | 28

No conspiracy here whatsoever, George has had plenty of experience over the years from Laura throwing stuff at him in anger and his frat boy days

Posted by: Sky News | Dec 16 2008 8:12 utc | 29

badger has an alarming post

An Iraqi newspaper called AlQawat alThalitha (the third power) says today that the wave of arrests has not stopped, and has now included Sunni, Shiite and independent Arabist officers not only in the Interior Ministry, but also in the Ministry of Defense and police forces, the arrests now numbering a total of 66. The paper cites what it calls very highly-placed officials in the government and in the Green Zone, who say there is a ongoing investigation that is top-secret, based on the idea of a planned coup relating to the Awda party, which is a Baath offshoot.

Posted by: annie | Dec 17 2008 18:08 utc | 30

McClatchy’s Inside Iraq blog reports a subtle change of attitude in the streets of Baghdad:
Is it the shoe?!

Posted by: Alamet | Dec 17 2008 19:17 utc | 31

…if it was staged, why?
Drama. Total absence of mortal danger, but front page material all the way
.
More in that line of thought…
Bush Tries to White-Wash History; Portrays Himself as a Victim

By Matthew Yglesias, The American Prospect. Posted December 17, 2008.
Even after all this time, Bush views the Iraq War with regret not over anything he did, but rather, over something that was done to him.
It’s tiresome to need to point this out at this late date but, yes, George W. Bush and his administration misled the country while making the case for war with Iraq and, remarkably, are still trying to mislead people about it. In a Dec. 1 interview with ABC News’ Charlie Gibson, Bush said that “the biggest regret” of his presidency was “the intelligence failure in Iraq.”
In other words, his biggest regret wasn’t regret over anything he did but rather regret over something that was done to him, a vague “intelligence failure” rather than a misguided decision to invade another country
. Bush explained that “a lot of people put their reputations on the line and said the weapons of mass destruction is a reason to remove Saddam Hussein. It wasn’t just people in my administration; a lot of members in Congress, prior to my arrival in Washington, D.C., during the debate on Iraq, a lot of leaders of nations around the world were all looking at the same intelligence.”
This is, even by Bush standards, a pretty breathtaking revision of history. In fact, very few members of Congress looked at the intelligence — Thomas Ricks reports in his book Fiasco that just five read the classified version of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction capabilities. But had more members taken the time, they would have found what Spencer Ackerman and John Judis reported back in June of 2003 — that the Bush administration removed a number of caveats and contrary pieces of evidence from the classified version of the estimate when producing a shorter, unclassified version for public consumption. More curious investigators might have been further interested in the fact, reported in the same piece, that even the more accurate classified version represented a dramatic change in the intelligence community’s assessment of the Iraq situation. As Judis and Ackerman observe, when George Tenet offered his January 2002 review of nuclear proliferation issues “he did not even mention a nuclear threat from Iraq.”
The main thing that changed over the course of 2002 wasn’t anything about the intelligence, it was the fact that the Bush administration wanted to invade Iraq. Consequently, a new, more alarmist intelligence estimate was written up. Then a more alarmist redacted version was released to the public. And the administration’s public statements were more alarming still. There were real intelligence failures here, but they were and are dwarfed by the policy failure. This failure was driven by administration hawks such as Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Doug Feith who appear to have embraced the deluded conspiracy theories of American Enterprise Institute adjunct fellow Laurie Mylroie (who thanks Wolfowitz in the introduction to her conspiracy-mongering book) and Weekly Standard writer Stephen Hayes (who followed up his entry into the genre with an authorized biography of Dick Cheney) who placed Saddam Hussein at the center of anti-American terrorism around the globe.
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Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 18 2008 2:51 utc | 32