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November 1, 2008
Why The Washington Post Is Going Down

The Washington Post’s public editor, Deborah Howell, is worried about shrinking circulation.

One reason, readers tell her, is that the Post is too liberal. She writes:

Neither the hard-core right nor left will ever be satisfied by Post coverage — and that’s as it should be. But it’s true that The Post, as well as much of the national news media, has written more stories and more favorable stories about Barack Obama than John McCain. Editors have their reasons for this, but conservatives are right that they often don’t see their views reflected enough in the news pages.

There indeed we have the reason why the Post’s circulation is shrinking. The inability of the editors to distinguish between:

  • news:a report of recent events or previously unknown information
  • and

  • views:opinions or judgments colored by the feeling or bias of its holder

The editors of WaPo believe that "news" should include "views" and a lot of WaPo reports unfortunately do include biased "views" instead of just factual "news".

As a reader that is not what I want. Give me the facts, the real "news". Spare me the "views" of the reporter or some partisan think tank. Write down the facts, add some figures where available, be clear and precise. Sometimes WaPo writers do achieve that. When they do not, the outcome is usually crap.

And if these facts are biased against conservative views? Well, sorry, despite Karl Rove’s assertions, there is only one reality and it rules.

If there have been more stories on Obama and more favorable stories than on McCain, there might be a good objective reason why this is the case.

There were some thirty fact-free attacks the McCain campaign launched against Obama during the last months. There were less attacks from the Obama campaign on McCain/Palin and most of those were factual.

When reporters pick up on those attacks, they examine the campaign claims and when those are wrong, they report that they are wrong. Mrs. Howell will count those stories as favorable-to-Obama stories, alleging some bias in the writer when the bias is in the facts.

McCain claims Obama will raise taxes on the middle class, when Obama indeed does not plan to do so. A reporter writing about this and presenting the facts as they are, would likely be attacked from the right as not representing their views. But it is not the reporting that is biased, the facts are. Obama does not plan to raise taxes on the middle class. That is a fact. The fact in this case simply does not support the view conservatives favor.

It seems to me Mrs. Howell, and other WaPo editors, do not get that. They want "views" instead of "news" not only on the editorial pages, but also in the news coverage. Unfortunately, more and more WaPo reporters follow their editors’ urging in this.

And that is the real reasons why the Post is going down.

Comments

I am in favor of creating a Ministry for Fairness and Balance: it will hold a controlling interest in all network media companies and put a representative on their editorial board.
It will provide binding answers tor such questions as “What is Truth?” and “What is “is””? and determine the newsworthiness of various breaking news items, their frequency in the 24-hour news cycle and ensure that Sarah palin’s pores are sufficiently retouched in magazine cover photos…

Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 1 2008 10:42 utc | 1

An objective facts-oriented news source! What a wonderful idea! 😀

Posted by: Ed | Nov 1 2008 11:13 utc | 2

b,
A great post. Very on target.

Posted by: Buckaroo | Nov 1 2008 12:20 utc | 3

I’d like to think that had the Washington Post continued to uncover real stories about the Watergate Plumbers of the World, instead of pushing phony stories about the Joe Plumbers of the World, then this newspaper wouldn’t be going down the drain right now.
[no pun intended]

Posted by: Cynthia | Nov 1 2008 13:07 utc | 4

While I completely agree with your post, the real problem is that news organizations print as well as television are first and foremost businesses. As such they have to maxamize their readership/viewership. They do this by pandering to the majority of the population. Thus during the heyday of Bush they all veered to the right. Now they appear to be centering themselves, much to the dismay of some of their conservative subscribers. In the long term they will acquire a new readership much more oriented towards the centre, and life will go on until the next change.
Bernie

Posted by: Bernie | Nov 1 2008 14:02 utc | 5

All newspapers should be going down the drain, because all of them are guilty of bias. Sure, some are more egregious than others, the Washington Post being one such example, however, those on the Right will argue that the NYT is equally as bias, and their argument is valid, but not in the way they think.
Let’s face it, there are many ways to be biased in reporting the news of the day. First, and foremost, is what you choose to present as news. Secondly, it’s how you present that news, meaning the facts you use to present it, the language you use, and how you position it. No publication is free from bias, and most, if not all, can be said to have an agenda.
b, you have to admit, you are no different. What is offered up here for conversation and debate is biased. I happen to like it, because we can speak to it, just as I am speaking to this topic now, but it is biased. We bring our own prejudices and predilections to the table when offering up and discussing any topic.
For example, look at how many people are so utterly biased when it comes to critically discussing Obama and his campaign and what he stands for and what he will most likely do once in office. Can anyone here claim they are not biased? I would proffer that Waldo is as biased as the Washington Post when it comes to his perceptions of Obama, and all Obama stands for. I understand that bias….it’s something that I attempt to battle every day, every hour, every minute and every second of my life. The operative word there is “try.” We must consistently challenge our assumptions, and if they don’t stand up to the scrutiny, we must be willing to alter and adjust them. An unwillingness to do so is a weakness that transcends the Left, or Right. It is an affliction which is as much a part of our culture as consuming.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 1 2008 14:04 utc | 6

b, you have to admit, you are no different. What is offered up here for conversation and debate is biased. I happen to like it, because we can speak to it, just as I am speaking to this topic now, but it is biased. We bring our own prejudices and predilections to the table when offering up and discussing any topic.
I am certainly biased in what I chose to write about and I have opinions on the issues I write about. I do not hide that. But I do not pretend to produce “news”, I do not report, though sometimes I produce “newsy” stuff. My writing has a “view” and is more of an opinion-editorial.
But then again this is a blog with a certain blog community. It does not pretend to be a “news” outlet. I am fine with the WaPo editorial pages – mostly wingnuts – so what. I am fine with Milbank’s biting and cynic columns at WaPo from the center right and Froomkin’s jocking from the center left.
But those are all “views” and visible and marked as such. “News” is something different and should, as far as possible, be free of “views”. Howell is totally wrong to ask for certain “views” bias in “news”.

Posted by: b | Nov 1 2008 14:22 utc | 7

Facts are stubborn.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Nov 1 2008 14:43 utc | 8

That is why I say all the newspapers and all the television and radio news should go down the drain. We all know they are not unbiased in their reporting, with few exceptions. as bernie indicated, it’s the nature of business, and news is big business these days, and it serves the interests of big business. I think all of here know that, so we realize it’s all a pretense. It’s nothing more than a glamorous version of Pravda.
Why do people continue to play the game and read, or listen, to these sources, when they know they are biased? That’s the disconcerting part for me. Why play the game, i.e. read and listen to it, if you know it’s tainted? The Internet has been a wonderful way to become informed without having to genuflect to the pablum that is mainstream news. Sure, you have to be dilligent and gauge what you read against your better sense, but there are so many vibrant sources, it’s literally a treasure chest of information and ideas. The MSM is containment, narrowly defined and narrowly delivered. It can be argued the Internet is containment, as well, because so long as we’re blogging, we’re not actionable IRL, and that has merit, but it’s a self-created containment, and not one foisted upon us by the Marketers. Not yet, at least.
Please don’t take what I said personally, b. I included myself in the group, as well. I am bias. By the way, I like this blog and read it everyday.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 1 2008 14:45 utc | 9

Facts are what we make of them, nothing more, nothing less. In its purest form, facts, as they relate to news, are an attempt to describe an event, but that attempt is delivered through the perceptions of the author, and each author who attempts to describe an event, has a different filter, therefore, each attempt will be different, and often is. Also, that attempt to describe an event must be presented with all the inherent linguistic limitations, and then must pass through the readers own filter to form the reader’s perception. By the time this is all said and done, what the reader perceives as the event may be very different from the event itself. It’s complex, and there are many ways to fuck with the perception of reality along the way. It’s why it is argued that reality is subjective and relative.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 1 2008 14:54 utc | 10

I can still remember when I lived in The Netherlands how the Dutch news was done. Unlike the States, Canada, France and Germany, where the TV foreign news consists of some clown standing in front of a building in a foreign country, the Dutch will show the actual event (like a news conference in Paris, Bonn or London) airing in the original language with subtitles in Dutch in case there is a word you missed.
Also the Dutch make a sharp distinction in their newspapers and magazines between news and opinions. They actually prefer the facts and “I will make up my own mind”. Most Dutch people I know don’t like so-called analysis – “what are they are trying to sell me”.
You get what you deserve. If your country doesn’t provide a proper educational system, your TV foreign news will consist of clowns standing in front of buildings and your written publications will consist of so-called analyses and opinions.
Albert

Posted by: Albertde | Nov 1 2008 15:35 utc | 11

..written more stories and more favorable stories about Barack Obama than John McCain
well, john mccain is a pathetic war criminal who is arrogantly proud of the fact that he bombed civilian targets in vietnam. he jokes about bombing iran, tells absurd lies out of any available orifice, runs a campaign that incites fascist lynch-mob crowd behavior, etc…
if howell thinks there’s something positive in that, it only shows how insane she is

Posted by: b real | Nov 1 2008 15:40 utc | 12

The principle that is supposed to be enduring in the American system is that of the independent press acting as the unofficial Fourth Branch of government, keeping facts in public view, keeping public servants honest, and being champions of a free people at work governing themselves. This will necessarily involve “comforting the afflicted, and afflicting the comfortable.”
Without a financial mechanism in our Constitution to establish journalism as an independent public trust, its fall to the Almighty Dollar was in place even as ink was drying on the Constitution, even as the whiff of Revolutionary gunpowder was still in the air. There were stiff business consequences following upon afflicting the comfortable, and scant benefit to comforting the afflicted. One has to be aware of how reporting will affect the bottom line. Even the pursuit of muckraking, and seeking the public good must be taken up with a goal of selling papers on the street corners.
The modern hyper-consolidation of news gathering and dissemination businesses leaves us with about six American corporations dominating virtually all the news. Behind these six are perhaps generously a hundred Board members looking to the bottom lines of these media outfits. What do they care about the public trust? Their defined legal mission as a Board is to maximize profits.
It is hardly possible to imagine worse hands to place the public trust in.
As important as it is to have 100% publicly-financed elections, it is even more important to establish publicly-funded journalism with the sacred mission of telling the whole truth, without fear of consequence.
Every attempt to govern a nation without this kind of public honesty is hollow.
Which is what we have around here.

Posted by: Antifa | Nov 1 2008 15:51 utc | 13

establish publicly-funded journalism
The real crisis is newsgathering. How is newgathering “publicly funded”? This is a really serious policy problem.

Posted by: slothrop | Nov 1 2008 16:55 utc | 14

slothrop,
you bring the discussion back to the question of a “Ministry of Fairness and Balance”. We each have to have a ministry in our own minds. (And access to the Internet to verify things…)
Albertde pointed out that as long as the American people are not educated on how to read and interpret the news that is broadcast to them – especially by private companies – then they will be stuck with a pitifully low level of reporting.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 1 2008 17:16 utc | 15

While I don’t have a solution to the very thoughtful posts critical of the existing news media, I did want to highlight one of the new problems confronting us with the advent to the internet. The internet makes available hundreds of news sources, spanning the full spectrum from far right to far left. Thus each of us can usually find a source whose reporting is consistent with our own perception of the world, and we book mark it. The problem with this is that we consistently read news that reinforces our own narrow views without challenging us to see other points of view, thus developing in us a hyperpartisan view of the world. Is this the reason perhaps why America is so divided?

Posted by: Bernie | Nov 1 2008 17:59 utc | 16

media under capitalism has always been about interests. craven interests. what they gather is whores. a hearst, a conrad black, a rupert murdoch are only the most vulgar expressionof that venality
perhaps there was a time in the 18th century right up until the late 19th century where it may have been possible for a scribe writing for a newspaper to articulate both facts & opinions
today, they are completely incapable of collecting facts, have no capacity to interpret the facts the possess nor are they capable of any sort of coherence.
they are only capable of opinions & those opinions are sought from the sewer within man & country
the last eight years were no different for the previous 50 – let us be clear on this point – these scribblers have sanitised mass murder – whether it was hiroshima/nagasaki, through honduras, guatemala passing through every continent in the world where the number of dead are staggering, where the will of the people has been destroyed, tortured, vanquished, where countries have been obliged to be client states or have had to flail in the wilderness simply because the elites wound with words within the walls od washington
as i have sd – my generation created people who were able to work within the profession & act honourably with the exception of what they so lightly call journalism – without exception they are nothing less than scum, unholy scum – when they are not typists they are notetakers & when they are not notetakers they are thugs & when they are not thugs they are either a part of a criminal conspiracy & at best are complicit in the worst crimes of these last 50 years
so i could not give a flying fuck for them & their future. if they all dissapeared in one night the world be the better for it

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 1 2008 18:25 utc | 17

The press and media (TV) as a whole have, in the past 20? years, turned into a ‘product’ that should please consumers or customers, not sure what one calls them today, and live off advertisers.
The result is that practically nothing controversial or factual is published or shown – only opinion, which has to be ‘fair and balanced’ to make sure that every viewer and reader finds something that pleases them, goes in the direction of their pre-conceived opinions or political bents or pet issues or whatever.
The aim, also, is to present unconnected (if ‘true’) snippets of information that can used to bolster any pov at all. Volvo is failing: that means, the recession is really here, or ‘European’ car makers are suffering worse than Chrysler, or ppl don’t buy trucks any more, thank goodness!, etc. etc.
The empty space then has to be packed with fillers, human interest stories, catastrophes, PC pablum, bathos, arresting pictures, and real-life sagas, that are run like serials. Britney Spears, Princess Caroline, etc. These businesses (i see Bernie made the same point) are beholden both to shareholders and indirectly (or in tight cahoots) to Gvmts who need to shape opinion…
Finally, they also serve the function to disconnect ppl from their daily lives, their situation, their work, their children, by giving them the illusion of participating in a greater, larger world, occupying and polluting their minds with irrelevant or incomprehensible trash, shifting factlets, infotainment, a fractured world view that induces powerlessness.
As rgiap says let them all go down.

Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 1 2008 19:41 utc | 18

What is going on here? It has become impossible to express oneself. As soon as I get thru a para the fucking typepad turns me off

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 1 2008 19:47 utc | 19

Howell and her other CEO cohorts will go to any lengths to maintain their illusions. No different than GM or AIG or the investment banks or the Bush administration for that matter, in that they are all smitten with narcissism. Like some kind of invisible mental plague, they all believe that they not only can, “create their own realities”, but as a function of their power and status, they must “create their own realities”. They seem to not only cling to this idea, that in the face of all contrary evidence or facts, but will double down on it when its failure seems eminent. And then when the thing really hits bottom (where the rubber meets the road) like Allen Greenspan, they are “simply shocked” that the grand illusion they created has been shown to be exactly that, an illusion. And yet they go on with it.

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 1 2008 20:23 utc | 20

The outburst above was due to typepad refusing to accept more than ‘a boxful’ of words b4 seizing up. I shall try cutting and pasting from a text editor.
If there was no bias in news-gathering, then reporters, those who reported the facts, rather than the journalists, those who are the editorialising self opinionated types in any media outlet, would be the ones earning the big bucks. But reporters rarely even get a by-line in many media outlets. No by-line means no reader recognition, no reader recognition means disposable.
That is to say those who actually leave the office and observe events first hand, actually experience the events and then report what they saw without embellishment are regarded by the media outlets as disposable.
Nowadays in conflict situations, the western media outlets hire local english graduates. These local ‘stringers’ are often highly intelligent, highly motivated members of the society the west is obsessed with observing while it bombs that society to smithereens.
The local stringers frequently get blown to smithereens as well, so the media outlet may issue a brief obituary designed to give themselves credibility and improve circulation (needed to offset any potential compensation claim from the family of the deceased who, chances are, had few if any employee benefits) and then sets about editorialising the incident. Often in a way that is diametrically opposed to the facts the reporter had observed.
Then they hire another stringer from the thousands of capable humans whose livelihoods have been disrupted by the slaughter. (“Lots more where they came from” [King Roach learning that dame margot and rudolf had been squished by fat freddy whilst performing ‘the dance of death’ in Gilbert Shelton’s F Freak Bros comic])
Meanwhile back at media headquarters the media recruiters fawn over the scum of the tertiary education system. They are hiring new editorialists, ‘opinion-leaders’. Obsequiously hiring oxbridge or ivy-league graduates who often have a short employment history of having failed at other ‘more serious’ endeavours such as business, advertising or intelligence (this an area that the media competes ferociously with while scraping the barrel of ivy league or oxbridge scum).
Still the media bosses know one thing. Falling, failing members of the upper middle class are certainly aware ‘which side their bread is buttered on’ as my mother used to say. Desperate to cling to the society which for a time had seemed almost certain to discard them, they will use the semantic tricks learned from a lifetime in families stoked full of bullies and deceivers (how else does one get to be upper middle class, especially an upper middle class failure, unless one’s family has the sociopathy of a pool of piranha fish?) to colour ‘the facts’ to suit their new and hopefully enduring, bosses’ needs.
Occasionally in the spirit of egalitarianism the media will recruit an ivy league or oxbridge graduate from the wrong side of the tracks, they, just like their other even more infrequent offsider, the columnist who started as a reporter, are well versed in the verbal skills required to toady to the top.
Those accustomed to using their verbal skills to persuade someone that the sows ear standing before them is in fact a silk purse, find the art of twisting the truth about an event the reader/viewer didn’t see, that occurred in a society the reader/viewer has no understanding of, laughably easy in comparison to the usual day to day survival bullshitting that their chosen path through life demands of them.
But we do have to acknowledge that the media gets away with this policy of division and deception precisely because we as a society encourage it. Too many of us prefer things explained to us by ‘a better’. “We are here because some bloke got nailed to a piece of wood two thousand years ago”.
An explanation that can’t withstand the slightest scrutiny is accepted by so many because it saves them from having to think for themselves. So many people who have experienced an incident first hand then read or watched the media accounts of that event and find the two irreconcilable, still believe what is written or said about things they have no first hand knowledge of. That isn’t being gullible, it is being lazy.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 1 2008 20:49 utc | 21

There are good journalists out there, working hard to get observable, knowable facts before the public. There are some MCMers (members of the Mainstream Corporate Media) trying very hard to “fit in,” to please their masters, and to get to the Big Time where they will be rewarded with 6, possibly 7, figure incomes, book deals, large speaking fees, television appearances, etc. There are some bloggers working hard to get into the MCM orbit so they too can make it to the Big Time. Some of these have proved to be major disappointments–and their former strict adherence to facts with a point of view has been lost in the miasma surrounding the MCM.
For the actual journalists, I am grateful. From them I learned the actual facts which made the MCM’s front pages and broadcast approach to the run up to the Iraq Invasion absolutely maddening. There were reports by members of the US government, scientists from the Atomic Energy Commission and the Energy Department, who stated that those alumuninum tubes simply were not designed to function the way BushCo said they would, that they were for missiles. I heard this counter report on NPR’s All Things Considered when the maladministration broke the story of the nefarious aluminum tubes.
It was reported, it was heard by many people. But, somehow, it was not mentioned very much as the drums of war began to beat more loudly and faster. I wrote my Congress Critters about it; I received form letters in response. I found the lefty blogs, where it was written about, where people knew we were being lied to by BushCo and its minions.
I joined like-minded people in demonstrations and marches–and we were treated as amusing sideshows, if reported on at all. Our numbers were minimized by the MCM as it blared the calls for war.
I cancelled my NYTimes subscription; management did not respond to my letter as to why I cancelled.
Prior to Colin Powell’s MCM lauded appearance before the UN, I was away from the Internet for a a month or so. Even so, I knew that almost every point he was making had been refuted or had clear and convincing counter arguments. There were two things I could not refute, listening to him in my car on the long, boring stretches of the Ohio Turnpike, crossing from the Midwest to the East Coast. The next day, good blogs addressed those two points: one I still can’t recall, but the other was a clear misinterpretation of an Arabic conversation, a manager of a weapons depot talking to his employees, telling them to be sure everything was shipshape in preparation for the UN inspectors. Powell had a CIA translation, which conveniently left out some words and mistranslated others. To fit the BushCo picture and “prove” the Iraqis were “hiding” WMD.
I hope Obama will stay the hell away from Powell, as he cannot be trusted. He takes care of himself by taking care of those in power. Obama does not need that kind sycophancy around him. But, of course, Powell has now been somehow rehabilitated by endorsing Obama. The only word which conveys my disgust is the all around blogger word, “sheesh.”
So, for those reporters who either slid real reporting in under their editors’ and/or owners’ radar, who stuck to those inconvenient facts, hooray. And many, many thanks. It was often noted that the WaPo editorial writers would simply ignore their own reporters’ writing. Perhaps because the editors would bury the lede in the middle of longer articles or on the back pages of the section; but, still, they had no embarrassment when it was pointed to them.
Nor did Howell show any embarrassment. Anger, yes. Peevishness. Willingness to attack the messengers, including readers who dared to point these things out. She is not an ombudsman; she is a watch dog protecting her editors and the owners of the paper. The MCMers striving to retain “access” to the powerful.
There are some great bloggers who do point out the good, the bad, and the ugly. On the domestic political scene, Bob Somerby of DailyHowler.com does a great job of trying to get MCMers to clean up their act. He chides the “liberal” pundits for pulling their punches, berates the subtle and more obvious practicioners of journamalism. If he points out that there is misuse of reluctance to use knowable, observable facts on behalf of those favored by many leftish, he himself is attacked. Then he is ignored.
I cherished Billmon and am so glad to have found Bernhard who takes on such malpractice in journalism and opinion on both political and international subjects. Oh, plus the economics. Many thanks to you, b.

Posted by: jawbone | Nov 1 2008 21:06 utc | 22

Tangerine,
let us not forget that the “product” that the media are moving is not the information or entertainment they broadcast, but the advertising time they sell.
The programming is just window-dressing to make the advertising more attractive to potential readers/viewers and increase the amount of money they can charge advertisers.
And in this respect, Rush Limbaugh is a highly successful media businessman: set aside your opinion of his political orientation for a moment and you will see that he has successfully built up a large and dedicated core constituency, allowing him to command premium prices for advertisers waiting to address his listeners.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 1 2008 21:39 utc | 23

I’m just pointing out that the migration (“convergence”) of media to the internet has resulted in a troubling decline of newsgathering. High-cost newsgathering has been traditionally funded by advertising. Revenue decreases experienced by news media migrating to the net has starved newsgathering.
This is a really serious problem. A much more serious problem than the “stenography to power” problem mostly discussed here.

Posted by: slothrop | Nov 1 2008 22:34 utc | 24

I think the largest problem, and it’s not specifically attributable to Capitalism, is that once anyhting becomes an Establishment, it loses its way, and the media is no different. Sure, there are some good reporters out there, as there are good journalists, but the Media has become an Establishment, and as such, it is now an entity unto itself, answerable to no one except the interests it serves, including itself.
That’s why I go to several blogs for my daily take, because I know I’ll get the chewed over and digested version versus the truth hidden in a wrapper.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 1 2008 23:20 utc | 25

what other blogs?
thanks.

Posted by: otherness | Nov 2 2008 0:53 utc | 26

Bernie @ 16: Pre-Internet in the US (unlike the rest of the world), it was all right-wing crap most of the time with the occasional moderate epiphany like Edward R. Murrow attacking Republican Sen. McCarthy in the ’50s.
So maybe the Internet has served as a wake-up call to Americans to check their facts first and then analyze it themselves.

Posted by: Albertde | Nov 2 2008 1:00 utc | 27

How can we even continue this discussion without this most penetrating analysis?

`When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
`The question is,’ said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
`The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master — that’s all.’
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. `They’ve a temper, some of them — particularly verbs: they’re the proudest — adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs — however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That’s what I say!’
`Would you tell me please,’ said Alice, `what that means?’
`Now you talk like a reasonable child,’ said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. `I meant by “impenetrability” that we’ve had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you’d mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don’t mean to stop here all the rest of your life.’
`That’s a great deal to make one word mean,’ Alice said in a thoughtful tone.
`When I make a word do a lot of work like that,’ said Humpty Dumpty, `I always pay it extra.’

It’s not the moral bankruptcy, you see, it’s the real bankruptcy that comes around when Alice ceases to listen or converse with WaPo and all those other high payin’ Humpty Dumpties.

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 2 2008 3:24 utc | 28

oops, me above
gradually coming back.

Posted by: citizen | Nov 2 2008 3:25 utc | 29

The media convergence causing the layoff of reporters had begun, was in full flood well before the net took hold.
The impetus came from the centralisation of news ownership into the hands of the few, a process that has continued steadily throughout my lifetime. Before I was born radio was held responsible for the demise of many print publications, then during my childhood it was television, which was alleged to have killed the evening paper, now it is the internet that cops the blame.
The truth of the matter is that news dissemination as a commercial enterprise has suffered the same fate as the local brewery, or the corner store. As the corporate capitalists have gobbled, the range of beers or brands of soap powders has diminished. As have the numbers of humans required to make and disseminate the product.
What is left is at best honest pap homogenised to suit all tastes. At worst it is an ersatz artificially created facsimile of whatever the original product had been. In the case of news that artificiality is often created out of the bosses’ distortions.
The tendency of corporartions to coagulate into a single mega mass is unlikely to be halted until there is a massive change to the way the world’s economy is structured. On the other hand humans can influence the tendency for news sources to deceive, if they do as jawbone did and refuse to patronise media sources caught lying.
These are essentially capitalist enterprises, making money is the principal objective, deceiving the masses runs second to that so if pushed even Murdoch who only runs two outlets to my knowledge that he is prepared to run in the red (The Australian and The Times), will order his lick-spittles to change their ways if the alternative is unprofitable.
Murdoch’s two red ink publications are not loss leaders designed to deceive the hoi polloi. In both cases the newspapers are of the old broadsheet mold, targeted at a readership which shares Murdoch’s elitist values. Murdoch the economic rationalist cross-subsidises the bourgeoisie with profits taken from the masses.
There is another thread here about the faux news semi-endorsement of Obama (they don’t all call him a pinko-n….r any more). Although the reasons for that do go beyond a simple need to reflect the views the producers have found are held by increasing proportion of fox’s audience, Murdoch understands that if his network doesn’t appear to share the viewers changing views, they will inevitably lose their audience.
Of course fox will pervert it’s current half-assed empathy with Obama further down the track, most likely mid ’09 when the honeymoon has ended. If it doesn’t seem to fox’s audience that fox gave Obama a ‘fair go’, or at least partially blesses Obama now when the race is over anyhow, it’s mudslinging and white anting will be much less effective next year.
However if the honeymoon between Obama and amerikans were to continue beyong mid 09, fox would have to mute criticism until fox pollsters (the market research pollsters and focus groups, not the political ones)detected a shift against Obama. That wouldn’t be about credibility, that is about keeping market share.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 2 2008 4:33 utc | 30

Once again, to reiterate, biased reporting bordering on propaganda, if not outright propaganda, is not unique to Capitalism. It is, rather, the unequivocal bedfellow of Established Power.
Let’s take a look at Pravda

(The following appeared in the December 23, 1979, edition of Pravda and has been translated from the Russian.)
Recently Western, and especially American, mass news media have been disseminating deliberately planted rumors about some sort of “interference” by the Soviet Union in the internal affairs of Afghanistan. They have gone so far as to claim that Soviet “military units” have been moved into Afghan territory.
All these assertions are pure fabrication, needless to say. But their underlying motive is ominous — it pursues political goals that endanger the Afghan people and peace in this region.
It is common knowledge that relations between the Soviet Union and Afghanistan are based on a firm foundation of good neighborliness, non-interference in each other’s internal affairs and equal, mutually advantageous cooperation. These relations have become considerably stronger since the April [1978] revolution, when power in Afghanistan shifted to the hands of the people, who have begun the construction of a new life.
The Soviet Union’s diversified aid to the friendly Afghan people has repeatedly received the highest praise from the republic’s leaders. Speaking recently in Kabul to personnel of the educational system, H. Amin, General Secretary of the Central Committee of the People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan, Chairman of the Revolutionary Council and Prime Minister of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, stated: “The Soviet Union has always shown profound respect for our independence and national sovereignty, for what we hold sacred. It has never infringed on our sovereignty and national independence, on our national traditions and honor, is not now doing so, and never will. It is for this reason that we are drawing fraternally closer to the Soviet Union and the other socialist countries.”
Soviet-Afghan cooperation does not suit the Afghan revolution’s foes. They are dreaming up schemes to sow poisonous seeds of distrust in relations between the Afghan and Soviet peoples, isolate the young Afghan republic from its true friends and create conditions for open interference in Afghanistan’s internal affairs.
The American press itself is reporting a step-up in interference of this kind. The magazine Counterspy, which is published in Washington, writes that it would be an illusion to assume that the U.S. is adhering to the principle of “hands off Afghanistan.” The CIA has been directly involved in the training of Afghan rebels in their camps in Pakistan, and it maintains contacts with them in Afghanistan. CIA agents are operating in the region of the Afghan-Pakistani border, some of them using as cover the Drug Enforcement Administration and American organization called the Asia Foundation.
The article’s author goes on to say that Peking agents are also active in the Afghan rebels’ bases on Pakistani territory. The magazine cities Japanese press reports from which it is clear that training camps for Afghan rebels have been set up in the Sinkiang Autonomous Region of China as well.
The subversive anti-Afghan activities of American and other intelligence and sabotage service constitute flagrant intervention in the internal affairs of Afghanistan. No efforts of American and Peking propaganda can camouflage these dangerous intrigues.

Of course, the irony of this example is that I use one propaganda outlet to show the propaganda of another propaganda outlet. The reporting in the U.S. in the MSM was equally as biased and as much propaganda, but the point still remains, it’s not necessarily unique to Capitalism. Everything else surrounding the propaganda is, though.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 2 2008 14:46 utc | 31

Did anyone say that deception in the media was purely the purview of capitalism? I know I argued that it is the increasing concentration of media under capitalism that has been destructive to the ideal of truth. I didn’t worry too much about non-capitalist societies since there are so few of them at the moment.
The fewer media outlets that speak out the narrower are the range of views and in a capitalist system that usually means the views remaining will kowtow to the capitalist owners, but as I pointed out even that comes secondary to profits.
Pravda the soviet equivalent of the sun, was known by it’s readership to be useless as an objective reporter of soviet leadership and it’s activities, but it wasn’t the only news outlet in the soviet union as much as the west liked to pretend it was. Incidentally since the first generally accepted report of russian troops (paratroopers in fact) invading Afghanistan occurred on the 29th December 1979, Pravda’s claim on the 23rd that there wasn’t any interference by the soviet union has the ring of half truth to it. Sure amerikan sources have claimed that soviet military advisors were on the ground as early as August 1979 but that puts the article into the same sort of territory as any report in the western media about amerikan or nato troops in the ME, Africa, South East Asia or Latin America. Hardly egregious.
Remember that western news media have in the main (unless they have seen scoring brownie points back home as being more profitable) kowtowed to the demands of totalitarian states they publish within.
It stands to reason that a wide range of outlets are more likely to provide a wide range of views some of which will find a niche speaking the truth to power. Unfortunately the impetus of corporate capitalism causes the range of anything to narrow, and successful corporate capitalists being the desperately greedy types they are, will always seek to placate political power if possible. Does that happen in non capitalist states? Who the fuck cares since there are so few around at the moment.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 2 2008 19:46 utc | 32

Obamagee,
I used to read “Pravda”, not for the news content, but to find out the Communist Party line on a given issue.
Which is the same approach I have come to take when I read the modern mainstream media.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 2 2008 21:09 utc | 33

Walter Lippmann wrote about this issue 90-odd years ago. He noted even then journalism’s preference for opinion and disdain for the facts. See here. He also told the profession that they should clean up their own act because, if they didn’t do so, public outrage would one day force Congress to “operate on journalism with an ax.” The profession learned nothing from Lippmann or from any of its other greatest practitioners — unless they offered a method of extracting more revenue from the public. After the depredations of the Bushmen and their GOP, time for Lippmann’s prophesied ax finally may have arrived.

Posted by: Jimmy Montague | Nov 4 2008 21:39 utc | 34