straws for bloggers to chase the wind
Rahm Emanuel is one powerful piece in the Dem Machine, care about poor ppl, gtfa, here’s chaf …………….

Posted by: CP | Nov 14 2008 19:40 utc | 3

anna missed , speaking of that handshake..Thousands gather in Israel to mark Rabin killing

more than 100,000 attended the gathering.
The rally opened with film footage of Rabin addressing the 1995 rally, thanking participants for coming out to support the theme: “No to violence, yes to peace.” Facing the large crowd from the same balcony where Rabin spoke 13 years ago, Israeli singers sang.
Rabin’s government negotiated the first interim peace accord with the Palestinians, and he won a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts. His successor as leader of the Labor party, Defense Minister Ehud Barak, promised to continue in his path.
“We have no other country and we have no other way. There is no alternative to peace,” he said.
…
Teamsters Union President James P. Hoffa, on his first visit to Israel, said he brought greetings from President-elect Obama, whom he called “a true friend and partner of Israel.” One message in the crowd read: “Obama, make peace now!”
Hoffa, a strong Obama supporter, ended his words by riling the crowd into chanting Obama’s campaign slogan: “Yes We Can.”

praying for the peace movement in israel.

Posted by: annie | Nov 14 2008 20:27 utc | 5

I can think of no correlation between the belief systems of the parents, and the belief systems of their children, in America. My mother was a John Birch racist,
and I married a brown skin. My father was a Reagan militarist, and I was a C.O.
Paris Hilton just like her mother? Yeah. Hank Paulson just like his father? Absurd.
Then b’s comments smearing Emanuael, are just as egregious as those of his father,
and Emanuel’s apology all that much more dear, considering the antiHebrew rabble.
Like Malooga, prognosticators at MoA need to drink from the Xanax well for awhile.
Emanuel’s middle-of-the-road record is certainly better than Bush’s Chief of Staff.

Posted by: Peris Troika | Nov 14 2008 21:16 utc | 7

I can think of no correlation between the belief systems of the parents, and the belief systems of their children, in America.
america is no different than any place else in the world. anyone who doesn’t understand how a child’s morals or belief systems are correlated to their upbringing has rocks for brains.
that said, no..it doesn’t mean they are passed on like dna. that wasn’t b’s point tho. i am not a fan of emanuel, and the wording of his apology was disingenuous but none the less, it was an apology and a refutation of his father’s sentiments and for that i applaud him.
we all know we aren’t going to get everything we want from this administration wrt israel/palestine. i still hold out hope we get something and some progress. whether emanuel can be of service in this regard has yet to be seen. maybe it is better than having cantor in there or some other rabid neocon.
he needs to be under a very strong magnifying glass and every pimple and wart needs to be seen clearly. it is not enough to be not as bad as the other side.
i totally agree.

Posted by: annie | Nov 14 2008 22:30 utc | 9

only fear makes sense
how about constant fear constant. does that have substance?

Posted by: annie | Nov 15 2008 0:22 utc | 11

fear is one of the senses (to me), a part of preception, which makes you aware. nature shows the way. how you react to it is personal.
reality is harsh, sweet etc. and as far as I know needs no hope to get by.

Posted by: constant | Nov 15 2008 1:14 utc | 13

i loathe with all my heart, anti-semitism especially instinctive antisemitism because it does represent the darker impulses of anhilation in western civilisation. the germans did not invent it – they just synthesised & acted upon it on an industrial scale
& this anhilatory impulse is at the very heart of western civilisation as walte benjamin repeatedly warned us
the indigenous people of the world have been massacred for centuries without a thought for their humanity. not one single thought. & the false efforts of reconciliation given the circumstances are absolutely cruel & obscene
when moa began b real led me to read again & again the works on what the empire did to north american indians – that history simply cannot be read without fury & tears. of the nobility, of the natural nobility of the oppressed & of the casual violence used for centuries against them & whether it is sweden or australia – the history of the indigenous people is a history written in blood that can never be cleaned by tears
saying that, when i heard the comment by emannuel sr – & it is widely held in israel’s leading circles – that arabs are worth less than nothing – i feel the same fury – the same hate. arabophobia fills the stinking sewer of contemporary communication & sadly it is all too evident in france where there has always been a reprochement between the two people’s
what is happening in gaza is tearing me apart & no one who knows any history of the jewish people can ignore the historical precedents of the collective punishment & targeted assassinations (murder by any name) . civilisation is watching a people being extinguished & we know everything, we know in detail & we even know of the plans of zionist thugs of the likud who want a final solution to the palestinian problem – whether they call it the jordan option or something softer – it is nothing other than the aneantisment of a people reproducing exactly the same methods that were used aginst the jewish people of europe less than a century ago. it is shameful, it is repulsive, it is a crime
& whoever legitimises that crime is my enemy
fear – the constant tool that is used against these people forgets – that it was the arabs that gave birth to the very fucking civilisation – in medicine, maths, astronomy, in all the sciences – the alphabet – the real beginning of philosophy as something other than spurius metaphysics. whatever erudition western civilisation possesses it is in the greatest debt to the arab & persian people
they are our cradle & it is they who have sung the sweetest songs
& those who forget that are complicit in a crime
i have great difficulty with monetheism of any kind. i am a communist, after all but there used to be in islam especially its more speculative sufi aspect – something close to surrender which is qualitatively different from the submission that both christianity & judaism have too often required instead of faith. & i think it is we who have helped turn that religion into a hammer more closely resembling the thuggery of oral roberts or rebbe kehane
then that is no mystery – the leading theologians who have influenced political islam – were without exception borne in the prisons of tyrannies that the british, french & u s empire willingly assisted understanding perfectly what was happening – the leading thinker sayyid qutb, often called the father of al quaeda – went from a genuine & exploratory theology into a harder & harder stone with each incarceration, with each torture – the passions of that man’s body were not so different from the stories they tell us of christ
in paul celans great poem, he sd the death was german. today, it is clear for the arab peopled, death is an american

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 15 2008 3:28 utc | 15

Thanks again r’giap.
It is an irony that I, a conservative in method, a non-socialist in liberty, and a disciple of Jesus in religious view, value your posts so much. Each of your posts reveals a true caring for our neighbors, and a goal for social justice that I admire and learn from. Normally I would criticize profanity/vulgarity, but in your posts, it clearly adds to your passion for caring. I have a post written that I am not posting on the Open Thread out of respect for your latest post there. Quite plainly, it would be an embarrassment to post the near meaningless crap I just wrote next to your good work. Maybe b can start a new Open Thread to preserve your thoughts as an end reflection.

Posted by: Rick | Nov 15 2008 6:29 utc | 17

Some seem to be saying with hope in their hearts that nominating Emanuel is a way of neutralizing him – you have to do something with the powerful members of your club, canalize, occupy them. I don’t see it that way at all – completely independently of the Israel thorn – the proposed policies of Emanuel and Obama have been similar or roughly identical for many years (see my previous posts) and how that came about, who copied or scoped out whom, who relied on whom, or whatnot, or how these great independent (err..) minds met and joined up is opaque.
Oh the ‘some’ I read is surprisingly Xymphora, who *used* to be interesting sort of conspiracy-kinda blogger (he was very good on 9/11 for a long time), but who has in recent times turned quote anti-semitic unquote, the precise brand I can’t describe. link
Which reminds me of a link I wanted to post, about the dangers of anti-semitism (in the sense of despising Jews); anti-Muslim or anti-Arab sentiments are stronger, in their public expression, today, as they are permitted, considered legitimate, even encouraged. (Europe.) Pew

Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 15 2008 13:23 utc | 19

Tangerine @19
Xymphora is more “strong dislike” rather than anti-semitism. Sure, he’s got a number of C’theories with him; “jewish billionaires”, 9/11 and Bibi ones.
he’s venting because he seems to see a double standard in the media how casual the talk of “arab rag heads” is perceived versus some verbal insult to the jewishness of some clown and thus the ensuing brouhaha.
Calling someone who is jewish an asshole or other names doesn’t make him an AS. They’re not sacred nor is their feelings more sensitive than yours or mine.

Posted by: shanks | Nov 15 2008 14:29 utc | 21

constant,
i was very sloppy w/my post. what i meant was
‘how about constant fear, constant? does that have substance?’
i meant constant fear in the way r’giap used it
fear – the constant tool
i choose to interpret this as the tool of perception.
when i read your words, only fear makes sense, hope has no substance, i was reminded that fear is absence. it is inverse of light and understanding. yes, as you mentioned one can sense ones fears, but i disagree w/you here:fear is one of the senses (to me), a part of preception,
it is not a sense in itself, and it is for the most part caused by lack of perception. we fear an absence of sense, an absence of understanding, an absence of substantiation.
when you say ‘a part of perception’..check out substance theory, aristotle “By being ‘present in a subject’ I do not mean present as parts are present in a whole, but being incapable of existence apart from the said subject.”
i don’t think fear is part of perception because it cannot exist outside of it. whatever ‘substance’ it has is derived solely from ones perceptions. the same thing might also be said of hope. but i do not believe fear has substance and hope doesn’t because all the power they have comes from us who perceives them.
that said, i wasn’t speaking of you personally. hence your question Do you know me?, my very sloppy post wasn’t relating to you per se. your comment just struck me as unusual and didn’t align w/my reality.
more from substance theory
The argument from conception holds that properties are inconceivable by themselves and therefore it is always a substance that has the properties. Thus, it asserts, substances exist.
fear doesn’t have substance, that’s why it scares us. however, that which we fear has substance. excuse me for dropping little philosophical asides into the post.

Posted by: annie | Nov 15 2008 22:58 utc | 23

What Jaydee & Obamageddon said, along with Dan of Steel’s rant and Tangerine’s first sentence.

Posted by: Rick | Nov 16 2008 1:41 utc | 25

Tangerine
Thanks for the lrb link, was an engrossing read; in the usual stories of any refugee cast away from his homeland.
If it was really true that the Mossad engineered the blasts to force the Iraqi jews to flee, then they’re truly fcuked.
My pet theory is that this is just a fight between Xians and Muslims with the Jews as the schmucks, the fall guys for one party, should the need arise.
In every incident with a muslim country, there is one Jew/Israeli involved whether by design or accident, thus hiding the true purpose (oil grab, gold whatever). convenient for jewish paranoia, convenient for robber barons and finally convenient for despotic regimes in their respective countries.
With religious nutters, these things get weird real fast.

Posted by: shanks | Nov 16 2008 18:10 utc | 27

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Posted by: Topamax. | Jan 29 2010 14:18 utc | 29