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November 19, 2008
OT 08-40
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I’ll bet there are some pilots (jet) and Steppenwolf fans around here. Kind of reminds me of why I became military when I was pubescent. If you liked aerobatics and good rock watch/listen to this. I looks authentic. Can anybody identify the aircraft? Posted by: Juannie | Nov 19 2008 21:29 utc | 1 Like I said b, that’s why I became military when I became pubescent. Back then we didn’t have Steppenwolf but we had a myriad of F86D testosterone stimulating PR catches. Actually, if I remember correctly, the F104 was in the air by the time I joined for Cadets. The best I got to fly was the T34 that belonged to the Aero Club at my base. My all time favorite is the Champ. 35 hp, again if memory serves me. Posted by: Juannie | Nov 19 2008 22:26 utc | 3 Via CNN, Cardinal James Stafford: Posted by: Li | Nov 19 2008 22:28 utc | 4 Li@4 Posted by: jlcg | Nov 19 2008 22:45 utc | 5 Cernig at the Newshoggers follows up on the much hyped uranium traces:
Posted by: Alamet | Nov 19 2008 23:18 utc | 7 Looks like Obama’s Bolivia advisor Greg Craig is the legal representative of Bolivia’s fugitive ex-president Sanchez de Lozada who is wanted for his role in a 2003 massacre. And Craig is now tapped to be White House Counsel. Posted by: Alamet | Nov 20 2008 0:33 utc | 8 “I think that the Catholic Church is the only worthwhile institution in the world.” Posted by: Al | Nov 20 2008 1:12 utc | 9 My curiosity got the better of me and I had to wade back through links about the whole motley crew of papal godbotherers before I found much about what this paid vatican spokesperson said about the president elect of a foreign nation. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 20 2008 1:21 utc | 10 lotsa syntactical errors as well as semantic above cause I was yapping with someone in the real world Sorry bout that: Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 20 2008 1:24 utc | 11 “catholic church the only worthwhile institution in the world?” haha is right. and so is haha. Debs is dead; I posted this because it seemed to me to be a rather direct attack on a head of state by the Church, before he took office, in an effort to de-legitimize him. This combined with the threat I’ve heard bandied about to withhold communion from Obama supporters seems rather like an effort to reinstate papal supremacy, which might seem outlandish until one thinks about how ‘old-fashioned’ Ratzinger is. And, of course, all of the evangelicals and racists that are spouting their belief in Obama-as-antichrist could lead to something like a civil war or insurgency in the US. . . Posted by: Li | Nov 20 2008 1:50 utc | 13 If you want to think of something that could have a very negative effect upon global security, the Pope acting like he’s in charge of the world could be very destabilizing in the short run, and perhaps catastrophic in the long. Posted by: Rowan | Nov 20 2008 3:24 utc | 14 I grew up on US Air Force bases. Yes, its a flight of F-18’s. Posted by: Allen/Vancouver | Nov 20 2008 3:42 utc | 15 Haven’t seen this mentioned yet at this blog… anyone else catch the story in Der Spiegel about the Estonian feeding NATO intel to Russia? Link Posted by: Dan | Nov 20 2008 3:55 utc | 16 And, of course, all of the evangelicals and racists that are spouting their belief in Obama-as-antichrist could lead to something like a civil war or insurgency in the US. . . Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 20 2008 4:45 utc | 17 Saw that one, Dan. It wasn’t Estonia itself, just the head of the intelligence service who went off the reservation for a bigger slice of the good life. At least that’s the story. Posted by: Dick Durata | Nov 20 2008 7:02 utc | 18 Dan, oops, I read Estonia where you wrote Estonian, my apologies. Posted by: Dick Durata | Nov 20 2008 7:03 utc | 19 U.S. Aid Not Always Apolitical, Report Finds
I’m quite surpised all the old religions are still managing to hold on…at least in the educated nations… Posted by: Al | Nov 20 2008 8:06 utc | 22 It is becoming painfully clear to me that the only change Obama will be bringing to the White House is changing it back to the Clinton administration. Apparently he is so rabidly loyal, Rahm Emanuel even volunteered to be the new Monica Lewinksy. Posted by: IanTheGreat | Nov 20 2008 9:01 utc | 23 @ b real The only interesting information I have seen on the Dahlak Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Nov 20 2008 9:32 utc | 24 Geriatric crime wave in Japan a prelude for the U.S. – grandpa get your gun. Posted by: anna missed | Nov 20 2008 9:59 utc | 25 Years ago I joked about the “Magnum Lottery” pension system: Buy a lottery ticket every week until you’re 65. If you haven’t won by then, go buy a gun and hold up a bank. Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 20 2008 11:12 utc | 26 More abuse of NATO and Africa: NATO chief offers to train African forces
How does everyone else feel about bailing out the U.S. Automakers? I say no way, considering that it will be business as usual, the loans will never be paid back, they don’t have a viable business plan and they will just keep knocking at the door for more, just like every other entity under the sun in the U.S. right now. Meet the new Welfare Queens. Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 20 2008 13:36 utc | 28 Ob, Posted by: Al | Nov 20 2008 14:05 utc | 29 Download or watch online the C-SPAN videos of the Congressmen grilling Kaskari or whatever the chumps name is, the Goldman-S guy who Paulson told the public is responsible for dolling out the TARP: watch him grin and smirk like a little smart-ass throughout. It goes for three hours or so though it is necessary watching for anyone seriously interested in understanding the extent to which this is, in actual fact, nothing more than a bank heist, committed by shockingly arrogant twats, directly in front of the motionless customers. Posted by: Al | Nov 20 2008 14:11 utc | 30 Al, what do you believe is the ultimate goal? Is this Shock Treatment, as Naomi Klein describes it? Are we the next Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, or Argentina? Is this the purposeful destruction of the U.S.? If it is the next Chile, are we being set-up for a Military Dictatorship? Will we have our Pinochet? If so, those of us here at MOA will surely be some of the first to be dropped from helicoptors into the sea after having our stomachs ripped open. Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 20 2008 14:45 utc | 31 ralphieboy, how do you say magnum lottery in japanese? Posted by: annie | Nov 20 2008 14:46 utc | 32 indeed-di-doo, however, both teams are the same in their relations to their financial masters. the inconvenient truth is that both ‘teams’ are owned. Posted by: Al | Nov 20 2008 14:57 utc | 34 Ob, Posted by: Al | Nov 20 2008 15:11 utc | 35 I think the formula for vertical integration is: Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 20 2008 16:51 utc | 36 flood or fire Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 20 2008 17:47 utc | 37 A TARP is nothing but a large piece of heavy cloth. HankyPanky grabs one end and Helicopter Ben grabs the other. They throw it over a bunch of taxpayers. While the taxpayers are scared and confused, Hank and Ben invite their rich friend in to steal their wallets. Posted by: Sgt Dan | Nov 20 2008 17:48 utc | 38 The oligarchs are happy, Posted by: whimsy mugwump | Nov 20 2008 17:50 utc | 39 indeed-di-doo, however, both teams are the same in their relations to their financial masters. the inconvenient truth is that both ‘teams’ are owned.
big serious things about health care? i will believe it when i see it, but it sure sounds good. lest you think this theme isn’t gaining traction here’s another (murdock) WSJ opinion piece about card check(this isn’t a snark, if you can believe that) titled
those broke republicans are lining up at the public trough just like everybody else when there is no bread at the table. maybe the difference of the 2 parties is at least one is offering a trough. Posted by: annie | Nov 20 2008 18:02 utc | 40 With regards to piracy, Josh Marshall makes an interesting observation:
god Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 20 2008 23:42 utc | 42 Just so Ian, here’s an LA Times piece on the growing alarm over all the hawks Obama’s surrounding himself with. Posted by: ran | Nov 21 2008 0:12 utc | 44 Dick Durata: It’s an amusing irony that in NATO’s push to expand up to Russia’s borders, they haven’t realized that it’s that much easier for Russia to penetrate NATO intelligence circles.
It’s a good point. Why ARE we hearing so much about this? Posted by: dan | Nov 21 2008 2:34 utc | 45 just now catching this, but in the nov. 8th issue of the somaliland times, their lead story has the intriguing headline
i’ve tried searching for a reposted copy using a number of search engines, but no luck. anybody have an idea if there’s a way to find a copy or cached version of the original? lexis-nexis, perhaps? seems to have been wiped from the web. would like to see exactly what it said. it could have been embarrassingly sloppy reporting, as was an article in the previous issue falsely stating that al shabaab claimed credit for the attacks, which they did not, nor has anyone else, and also trying to tie in that kid’s suicide video i mentioned a few weeks ago, which was actually from last april. the u.s. media also tried to tie in the video to the attacks, so i’m guessing there was some media manipulation going on (similar to how AQ vids get suspiciously disseminated). but i’d still like to see what the somaliland times wrote. the day of the bombings jendayi frazer immediately shouted to reporters in nairobi ‘sounds like AQ’, so the report’s mention of a suspect thought to be involved in “planning, preparation and execution of the blast” possessing a green card definitely is of interest Posted by: b real | Nov 21 2008 5:02 utc | 46 “if only songs were sung to guide the doubtful ones”….unattainable Posted by: anna missed | Nov 21 2008 10:16 utc | 47 On another note, looks like the Coen Brothers must be directing Sarah Palin’s press conferences. As in Fargo. Posted by: anna missed | Nov 21 2008 10:34 utc | 48 Where’s “The Magic Christian” when we need it most? Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Nov 21 2008 17:03 utc | 49 maliki admits the difficulty to approve sofa, parliament spokesperson leads the opposition
Posted by: annie | Nov 21 2008 18:39 utc | 50 vendee sometime 1977 Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 21 2008 18:50 utc | 51 #48–Re: the Palin/turkey slaughter video–Pretty amazing what the MCM* can find to video when it wants to slice up some public figure. Posted by: jawbone | Nov 21 2008 19:37 utc | 52 jawbone, just in case anyone thinks I’m a bambi, thats not what I think the video implies. It’s the juxtaposition seen as a visual metaphor. Of a graphic slaughter going on behind while a pretty politician waxes politely in front of the camera. I can’t imagine a more perfect characterization of whats been going on for the last 8 years. Posted by: anna missed | Nov 21 2008 20:18 utc | 53 @am and jawbone: Posted by: catlady | Nov 21 2008 21:05 utc | 54 This is a lady who can field-dress a mosse, a few birds going down does not even register on her radar… Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 21 2008 21:25 utc | 55 The Authoritarians Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 21 2008 21:55 utc | 56 According to MSNBC, she was very much aware of the camera placement–“no worries” Posted by: catlady | Nov 21 2008 22:01 utc | 57 i’m just constructing/mosaic on floor/you’re stepping over/to get to Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 22 2008 3:08 utc | 58 China is going to build an energy pipeline through Myanmar. Posted by: Jeremiah | Nov 22 2008 4:12 utc | 60 Is this what all the huffing and puffing a few months ago was about The chump is Neel Kashkari. (Ex VP at Goldman Sachs.) Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 22 2008 14:52 utc | 62 Is this Shock Treatment, as Naomi Klein describes it? Are we the next Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, or Argentina? Is this the purposeful destruction of the U.S.? If it is the next Chile, are we being set-up for a Military Dictatorship? Ob wrote. Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 22 2008 15:01 utc | 63 Smart interpretation, Tangerine. Posted by: Al | Nov 22 2008 15:32 utc | 64 al @64 – on the MoA home page, left column, under the section “specials” there is a useful primer on ‘understanding AFRICOM’ that addresses that very topic Posted by: b real | Nov 22 2008 17:11 utc | 65 The Guardian –
Posted by: Alamet | Nov 22 2008 17:26 utc | 66 Smart interpretation, Tangerine. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 22 2008 17:36 utc | 67 The head of the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation, Jacques Diouf, has warned that the controversial rise in land deals could create a form of “neo-colonialism”, with poor states producing food for the rich at the expense of their own hungry people. Posted by: b real | Nov 22 2008 18:10 utc | 69 mythology, reality, and Bruno Schulz
contemporary poetry in the states is an amputated limb severed from a vital body to be studied by scholars and students in expensive MFA programs.
Posted by: Lizard | Nov 23 2008 7:11 utc | 71 i figure it was a rhetorical question, but the most recent book of poetry i read was robert creeley’s on earth: last poems and an essay
Posted by: b real | Nov 23 2008 16:38 utc | 72 Starkly pro-American minister threatens Iraqi parliament – Keep US troops or face martial law
Posted by: Alamet | Nov 23 2008 19:24 utc | 73 Re # 66 and 69
Get this:
So nice of them to point that out when the investor is not one of theirs…
No wonder. Posted by: Alamet | Nov 23 2008 22:24 utc | 74 Global Research reproduces a Russia Today article, Authoritarian Georgia: Roses are red, Georgia is blue, with this snippet:
Posted by: Alamet | Nov 24 2008 0:36 utc | 75 @Alamet your argument is flawless. The pols of Madagascar must be both mad and greedy to sign a deal such as that you outlined. On the other hand 99 years is a very long time and as one brought up in a country run by a mob of idiots/crooks who signed deals to ‘create employment’ which in effect gave away resources, maybe getting a tiny fraction of their value in return, I can’t help but feel DaeWoo executives also need their heads read.
Of course the authors of the article have their own axe to grind so they have highlighted the deals done by ME corporations which are, after all, commercial contracts rather than invasion, or the sort of bribery, extortion, and IMF/World Bank assisted influence peddling which the ‘whiteys’ of england have used to get control of the entire nation of Zimbabwe. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 24 2008 0:51 utc | 76 Israel tasked with spying on Americans – Bamford
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 24 2008 21:02 utc | 79 Debs @ 76, your post is very rich in context as always, thank you! Yes, the 99 year claim is particularly delusional. But, does the corporate world have a real sense of the long-term at all? Their thinking probably goes: – Can this arrangement last 10-20 years? Likely. – Will the current Daewoo execs be on the job longer than that? Unlikely. Hence, “Good deal, good deal, we loves it preciousss.” Posted by: Alamet | Nov 24 2008 23:04 utc | 80 The ingrateful Iraqis have come up with a new excuse, says the IHT:
(Bernhard, Badger has some info on the SFA in the comments here.) Posted by: Alamet | Nov 24 2008 23:14 utc | 81 Oups, the link should be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw Please correct if you can. Thanks. Posted by: L’Akratique | Nov 25 2008 1:35 utc | 83 Cynthia McKinney was going to participate in a conference in Damascus, Syria, but she was not allowed to exit the US??!!
Posted by: Alamet | Nov 25 2008 22:37 utc | 84 Yet another tall tale brought to you by… yes, Con Coughlin again.
(Found via this DKos diary which is worth the read.) Posted by: Alamet | Nov 25 2008 22:56 utc | 85 who only served/who only waited/who only listened/who only heard/these are questions Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 26 2008 0:27 utc | 86 of reconstituting retreat/as step forward/into or over/pit we’ve seen/in a newsreel Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 26 2008 0:33 utc | 87 rgiap, Posted by: Rick | Nov 26 2008 4:25 utc | 88 rgiap, Posted by: Rick | Nov 26 2008 4:26 utc | 89 Expert: Small Ark. earthquakes could be warning
Magnitude 6.0 quake hits Indonesia’s Sumatra
Antarctic earthquakes shake at glacial speed
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Posted by: Fran | Nov 30 2008 7:56 utc | 94 The last two entries at Imad Khadduri’s Free Iraq blog are of interest, especially for those Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 3 2008 12:31 utc | 95 |
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