Everybody read the new New York Times? For once Tom Friedman wrote a good column: The End of the Experts.
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November 13, 2008
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Everybody read the new New York Times? For once Tom Friedman wrote a good column: The End of the Experts. Open thread …
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Foley: I’m not a pedophile because the pages were almost 18.»
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 13 2008 17:18 utc | 1 About the “no hack like me, Kristol and the others should ever be allowed to write or speak publicly about such matters” is basically my opinion about the whole bunch of capitalism-worshipping cultists who plagued the planet for the last decades – including the whole bunch economic experts, bankers, investers, traders, with a handful of exceptions. Now that history has utterly and definitely proven them wrong, these people should never ever be allowed to manage anything except their own vegetables garden, and should never ever be allowed to speak about any financial, economic or social matter. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Nov 13 2008 18:39 utc | 2 literally, there is no end to their obscenity – bush in his ‘speech’ at the manhattan institute blmaes once again – the poor & the dispossessed. there is not one sliver of human decency in these monster. not one Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 13 2008 19:06 utc | 4 I lost interest from the first pharse of the artile “The sudden outbreak of peace in Iraq has made me realize…” PEACE IN IRAQ. Is this guy off his meds? He could have said the reduction in violence in Iraq, but PEACE…Are you kdding me!!!! Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 13 2008 19:35 utc | 5 The comments on the article are far better than the article itself. This one is precious: Posted by: ndahi | Nov 13 2008 19:47 utc | 7 @6 Posted by: ndahi | Nov 13 2008 19:49 utc | 8 it would be a glorious day indeed if thomas friedman & his ilk in the commentariat shut the fuck up but i am sure we will still hear their voices as we gurgle down the drain Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 13 2008 19:55 utc | 9 there is this one aspect to firedman, kristol et al – is their sordid sanctimony – something i think they have learnt from the prosperity preachers who look for a buck – the commentariat do it for the same reasons & the imbecilic illusions of influence Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 13 2008 19:57 utc | 10 cryptome eyeballs friedman’s “green” mansion
Posted by: b real | Nov 13 2008 19:58 utc | 11 Must be over my head. Posted by: annie | Nov 13 2008 21:18 utc | 13 Thanks for that link, b real. Friedman is nauseating, but so many “Liberals” love him. It’s hard to believe he’s accumulated this kind of wealth being a journalist and author. And after looking at those pictures, there’s no way in hell that piece of land would have been used to develop a subdivision. Did you see the surrounding estates? Not only that, it’s ugly and bereft of any character….a mausoleum to house those whose souls have long since left. Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 13 2008 21:20 utc | 15 A fine Bushism on the economic crisis, maintaining that the system is not to blame: Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 13 2008 21:59 utc | 16 #15 Obamageddon, separate from his own income, Friedman married into the serious real estate Buchsbaum family. Thanks for the mansions’ images link. Bethesda Maryland is 303′ above sea level, so maybe he won’t sell soon. Posted by: plushtown | Nov 13 2008 22:49 utc | 17 so Obama reanimated the corpse of that proud butcher of Iraqi kids Madeleine Albright eh? Posted by: ran | Nov 14 2008 0:03 utc | 18 behind the door/holding a mirror/that he used/in great war Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 14 2008 1:41 utc | 19 taboos & ties/that arebinding/from that time/over thirty years Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 14 2008 1:52 utc | 20 (in memory of big bill broonzy & big mama thorton) Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 14 2008 2:31 utc | 21 how’s Mandela supposed to take this. One million plus deaths later, millions of lives traumatized & displaced & Tom climbs off his high horse pleading for forgiveness for having been so insanely & pathologically wrong ? Posted by: jony_b_cool | Nov 14 2008 2:33 utc | 22
Yah…you are sooo right! Not that I ever had any great expectation but this is so low that it makes me depresed… Posted by: vbo | Nov 14 2008 3:57 utc | 23 the cia is trying to box obama into a corner w/ the bogeyman threat – here’s some bullshit from hayden, before the ‘think-tank’ the atlantic council of the u.s.
and how do you think this stmt would hold up to legal scrutiny – he parses his words very carefully
no parties have yet to come forward to claim responsibility for those bombings in northern somalia & some of those arrested in the immediate aftermath have already been released. i still think it has more to do w/ the skirmishes b/w somaliland and puntland, or internal political strife related to the pending elections in both regions, rather than being related to al shabaab or the insurgency to the south. jendayi frazer is the only source i’ve seen for claiming that they’re related to al qa’idah, and she pulled that one out of her ass the same way she did in late 2006 when she told the world that AQ was running the islamic courts – complete bunk.
no kidding. but then you hardly know that which you believe to know, too. Posted by: b real | Nov 14 2008 5:17 utc | 24 i could read it all day. Posted by: Rick | Nov 14 2008 5:37 utc | 25 and maybe this is just coincidence… or an indication of some other sort of influence?
ap:
interesting. (other articles over the last couple of days follow a similar pattern, adding the u.s. allegation in the same breath after mentioning al shabaab, however these are the only two i’ve seen using the dashes)
and, as w/ the ap article, imposing sharia on somalia is not something that can be attributed to the guerillas. as i pointed out last night in another thread, the 2004 transitional federal charter for the republic of somalia, which was imposed on the country by a coalition of foreign countries, including the united states, declared that somali would be an islamic state governed by sharia law. Posted by: b real | Nov 14 2008 5:46 utc | 26 “not something that can be attributed nefariously to the geurillas” Posted by: b real | Nov 14 2008 5:49 utc | 27 Bush, Out of Office, Could Oppose Inquiries
Hahahahahahaha, it’s not the laughter and and simultaneous cathartic tears that bothers me, it’s the inability to stop. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 14 2008 6:14 utc | 29 Surgar Weekly English Edition, Kandahar, Afghanistan Posted by: Shah Loam | Nov 14 2008 6:29 utc | 30 Read Crime & Punishment U$cam? Insane book, literally…haha Posted by: Al | Nov 14 2008 6:31 utc | 31 Below is the headline article from Debka today and it is troublesome. Maybe it is just a feeler for opinion.
Although Israeli crackdowns are nothing new, tonight I am in a bleak mood. I just see this as part of a bigger, partially interrelated, picture of bleakness as one looks into the future. With only a quick glance one or two days ahead, the scene is breathtaking in a bad way. But then, what importance are 30 trucks of food/provisions if you don’t live in Gaza? And viewing to the West, there are rumors this afternoon/evening of a big sell-off on Wall Street tomorrow, even though Asia’s markets are on a surge for Friday as I write this. But what importance are stock prices to someone like me, who like most of the other billions of souls in this world, don’t invest on Wall Street? Heck, maybe even my good fraternity brother from PU who has worked as an Electrical Engineer at GM for decades, may still get some of his retirement money. Never mind that the GM stock price dropped again, now trading under $3/share, whereas last year, it was over $32/share. Anyways, a few tens of billions thrown that way should fix those problems, eh? Well, for many of us, we can look into this weekend’s big to-do, known as the G20 Summit, a meeting without any published agenda poised to offer its solutions on the global economic crisis. Is everyone excited? Meanwhile, U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson appears to have no clue where to throw the next few hundred billion dollars of U.S. taxpayer money, and he and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke won’t say how they have blown the last two trillion dollars either. Is it true that since September, U.S. government debt per person has risen from $3,000 to almost $35,000? Oh well, “Easy come, Easy go!” Again, that is just looking at the situation today, tomorrow and the next with narrow vision. I don’t suggest looking any further without close friends or family at your side. Posted by: Rick | Nov 14 2008 6:53 utc | 32 Obama will prosecute torturers! (On or after 2012, if he wins again)
More:
Also see, Disappointment Watch Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 14 2008 10:41 utc | 34 via TPM: (Under daily muck)Former government lawyers are speculating that the Obama and Bush administrations will come to an “unsatisfactory compromise” on whether White House officials must testify about their role in the firing of nine U.S. attorney generals. Congress has subpoenaed top Bush aides Joshua Bolten and Harriet Miers for documents pertaining to the scandal, but the White House claims executive privilege. A September Justice Department report faulted the Bush administration for stonewalling a DOJ investigation of the affair. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 14 2008 11:00 utc | 35 U$, Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 14 2008 11:01 utc | 36 b @ 24: Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 14 2008 13:37 utc | 38 With regards to Hayden, I posted this Barton Gellman back around the beginning of October, author of ‘Angler: The Cheney Vice Presidency.
. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 14 2008 14:52 utc | 39 Heads up, as we speak, This week and into next, NorthCom and NORAD are conducting a joint exercise called “Vigilant Shield ’09.”
Also see, NORAD, USNORTHCOM participate in Exercise Vigilant Shield 09
Posted by: PSA from Uncle $cam | Nov 14 2008 15:20 utc | 40 The Friedman column linked above is satire – probably not good one, but funny. The real Friedman seems cranky these days. No wonder when one knows this titbit:
b #41, Posted by: Rick | Nov 14 2008 16:21 utc | 42 The Friedman “piece” and cases like Foley, etc… Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 14 2008 17:12 utc | 43 I have trouble believing that anyone above a certain income/influence level is ever punished for anything. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 14 2008 17:28 utc | 44 Many thanks r’giap foe the prose, can’t help but love how they look. Like towering monoliths. Made of steel. Light as air. 4 dimensional slice of life. Posted by: anna missed | Nov 14 2008 19:11 utc | 45 followup to #3
[italics in the original post] Posted by: b real | Nov 14 2008 19:35 utc | 46 i keep poking around that nyt july 4th edition. some great articles like this one Senate Gets Tough On “Limited Liability” to Rein in, Humanize Corporations
Posted by: annie | Nov 14 2008 22:06 utc | 47 Can You Spel Nuklur? Posted by: Larry Holmes | Nov 14 2008 23:29 utc | 48 You’ve got to accentuate the positive Posted by: Shah Loam | Nov 15 2008 1:50 utc | 50 for my beloved/is a lamb/climbing the step/in eisensteins film Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 15 2008 2:44 utc | 51 reuters is still spreading disinformation on events in somalia (not a big surprise overall, but the specific focus on al shabaab right now could indicate something in the works)
nobody else has reported the two working together so i am quite positive that reuters is fabricating that last bit
okay, if marka port is al shabaab’s “closest foothold yet to Mogadishu”, at 90 km, then how can reuters claim several paragraphs earlier that al shabaab moved into elasha biyaha “overnight” only 15 km from sinka dheer, which itself is only 15 km south of mogadishu? they’re betrayed by their own contradictions.
as they approached marka port on wednesday, the group led by al shabaab scared out the militia led by an ex-warlord named yusuf indha ade. a rpt at garowe online states that
given that context, robow’s announcement that “we will not allow clannish rules and oppression” is more understandable. other sources on wednesday & thursday reported that the citizens of marka port welcomed the liberation from the clan militias.
i’d reckon that last one refers to the shakedown that the clan militias were exctracting & pocketing from the locals. as marka port was seized on wednesday, the liberators also closed a series of illegal roadblocks that burdened local traffic, including that of humanitarian supply shipments. to buttress the u.s./u.n. attempts to isolate the al shabaab as the spoiler in somalia, esp wrt the ineffectual djibouti agreement ties in w/ this week’s cia push to sell the AQ threat as part of the GWOT & make it a priority for the incoming washington administration they simply don’t know what they’re talking about & filter things through subjective biases – and/or maybe being strung by compromised stringers/sources Posted by: b real | Nov 15 2008 7:46 utc | 52 Not sure this is correct, but it is funny:
Which explains the saying “Everybody is useful, if only as a bad example” Yeah, that is all Bush is good for. I think the Democratic Party leaders appreciate that too. Posted by: RIck | Nov 15 2008 11:45 utc | 54 Roubini 20 Reasons Why the U.S. Consumer is Capitulating, thus Triggering the Worst U.S. Recession in Decades
It actually would likely be worse a slump than the great depression, but it would start at a much higher level of life quality. Here is another opportunity to make bets on how long it will take the MSM to find their way back, if they can, from lies they so eagerly disseminated:
To be read together with MoA threads from Feb 2007 Posted by: Alamet | Nov 15 2008 23:10 utc | 56 Put your hand up if you think that this weekends little G-20 party accomplished nothing… Posted by: Al | Nov 16 2008 8:26 utc | 58 “…The American Institute for Science and International Security, headed by David Albright, one the world’s top experts on nuclear weapons and the prevention of nuclear proliferation, has urged President-elect Barack Obama to press Israel to halt production of its nuclear weapons…” Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 16 2008 11:50 utc | 60 general, only the cabinet has approved thus far. parliament votes nov 24. Posted by: annie | Nov 16 2008 18:17 utc | 62 general, only the cabinet has approved thus far. parliament votes nov 24 Posted by: annie | Nov 16 2008 18:19 utc | 63 Spreading democracy, freedom, mom and apple pie part 357 Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 16 2008 19:21 utc | 64 Obama to Name More Cabinet Members Posted by: Beau Rigard | Nov 17 2008 2:23 utc | 65 Hopefully this will brighten your day like it did mine: Posted by: Bea – for annie | Nov 17 2008 15:51 utc | 67 Two articles I just read in the International Herald Tribune worry me. Posted by: Al | Nov 17 2008 16:30 utc | 68 al, Supposedly, the Taliban have threatened to attack Paris unless the French pull their troops out of Afghanistan. I was planning on going over to Paris sometime soon, but this just freaks me out. Posted by: annie | Nov 17 2008 17:23 utc | 71 Pirates Capture Saudi Supertanker Posted by: Chemmett | Nov 17 2008 18:22 utc | 72 annie, Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 17 2008 19:29 utc | 73 adding to the strange circumstances re #72
Posted by: b real | Nov 17 2008 19:49 utc | 74 Yeah, I know… the US navy says otherwise.
So who knows what to believe. Posted by: Chemmett | Nov 17 2008 19:59 utc | 75 a bit of dark humor, illustrating, as has been pointed out here repeatedly, just how little power the djibouti agreement holds on the ground in somalia
Posted: 8:43:00 PM — New AU peacekeepers army base attacked
Posted by: b real | Nov 17 2008 20:09 utc | 76 from the mel goodman interview on monday’s democracy now (no relation to host amy goodman), Ex-CIA Officials Tied to Rendition Program and Faulty Iraq Intel Tapped to Head Obama’s Intelligence Transition Team
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Posted by: b real | Nov 17 2008 22:32 utc | 77 Annie, Posted by: Al | Nov 18 2008 2:14 utc | 78 I just linked in. So sorry I missed this. Great satire. Obvious from the first line “peace in Iraq” but still very, very fine. Posted by: Gaianne | Nov 18 2008 5:09 utc | 79 Since the MSM is finally getting on to the real story on EFP’s and weapons smuggled into Iraq from Iran (didn’t happen), maybe they’re ready to move on to a point I beat like a dead horse last summer – that the real Iranian influence in Iraq wasn’t the “special groups” but the Iraqi government itself. Posted by: anna missed | Nov 18 2008 6:12 utc | 80 No surprises, but some interesting detail, in this JVP report on opposition to the occupation within Israel. (Meanwhile, thanks for the n-th time to b real for single-handedly providing counter-information to the “official narrative” regarding the Horn of Africa.) Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Nov 18 2008 6:14 utc | 81 Peter Shiff on fox news throughout 2007-8 predicting the financial meltdown against the (repeated) mockery and howling laughter of the regulars. Shameless fools. Posted by: anna missed | Nov 18 2008 8:44 utc | 82 Call me a cynic but I can’t help but wonder if Schiff really believed what he said. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 18 2008 9:28 utc | 83 It’s not a matter of whether the war is not real or if it is. Victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won. It is meant to be continuous…The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects. And its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia but to keep the very structure of society intact.-1984, George Orwell Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 18 2008 12:22 utc | 84 Peter Schiff, along with the likes of Max Keiser (dot com) Jim Rogers and Ron Paul are more likely to be correct in their medium-term economic forecasts than most. They represent solid, intelligent, experienced and learned experts in this field. Posted by: Al | Nov 18 2008 12:40 utc | 85 Lieberman keeps Senate chairmanship Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 18 2008 17:32 utc | 87 dos Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 18 2008 17:47 utc | 88 @89 – heh. didn’t realize the link changes or i wouldn’t have posted it. at the time that i did, it was to show that we had a visitor from ‘israel ministry of defence’ (195.160.240.#) hitting the southern sudan thread 23 minutes after i posted a comment there, which i found slightly interesting, esp given that the subject of the thread is the hijacked mv faina Posted by: b real | Nov 18 2008 20:06 utc | 90 clear as a january adelaide morning, and as redolent of so much else, r’giap Posted by: theodor | Nov 18 2008 23:10 utc | 91 chicago tribune article, part validation of what we’ve been warning of & part propaganda
in her testimony before the subcommittee on national security and foreign affairs of the house committee on cversight and government reform [hold on a moment… let me catch my breath!.. okay] back on july 15, 2008, ms. theresa whelan, DoD’s deputy asst secdef for african affairs [wheez!], told congresscritters that
back to the tribune article
guy’s a regular comedian, eh? africans hungry for our help… they have so little… not even ammo to shoot
this is exactly what i was warning about nearly two years ago, as well as the reference to the militarization of central america Posted by: b real | Nov 19 2008 4:10 utc | 92 @ b real 92 and 86 Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Nov 19 2008 9:01 utc | 93 Thanks breal, your posts are always excellent -both your info and personal comments. Posted by: Rick | Nov 19 2008 12:43 utc | 94 BLOOMBERG Posted by: Al | Nov 19 2008 16:01 utc | 95 A particularly disturbing comment made by Ron Widdows (chief executive officer of Neptune Orient Lines, South-East Asia’s biggest cargo transport group), reported in the FT: Posted by: Al | Nov 19 2008 16:10 utc | 96 i appreciate the kind words, guy – thanks. the HOA, in particular, and africa, overall, are important areas to understand right now, for a number of reasons, not the least of which its geostrategic importance to the imperialists of the planet.
there was a companion article in tuesday’s chicago tribune — War on terror’s hidden front— that, along w/ a bunch of GWOT spin primarily from the u.s. military POV, restated the essence of hayden’s msg (which i pointed out in #24 on the previous page of this thread)
hayden was throwing out some big hypotheticals in that speech – yet it gets repeated as if fact
the reality is that there are those in the u.s. that will go to any means necessary to prevent another islamic govt from popping up on the planet, as they did in december 2006 when they exported a crushing counter-revolutionary force upon a popular uprising sweeping central & southern somalia. Posted by: b real | Nov 19 2008 16:13 utc | 97 lrmagzbfsoepmlcywell, hi admin adn people nice forum indeed. how’s life? hope it’s introduce branch 😉 Posted by: Obtaistaffeddy | Dec 27 2008 21:11 utc | 98 |
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