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November 8, 2008
Loans For Car Manufacturers And Structural Changes

GM, Ford and Chrysler are on the brink of bankruptcy and may run out of money by the end of the year.

Should they get taxpayer money in an attempt to keep them alive?

The big three are said to have four major structural problems:

  • uncompetitive products
  • customers depend on debt to buy cars
  • the dealership structure
  • high cost due to health care and pension obligations

It is not true that GM and Ford do not have the products that are more environment friendly, have low mileage and would probably sell better. Ford Europe and GM’s Opel/Vauxhall in Europe offer attractive small  and medium size cars with low mileage. It should be no problem to transfer production lines for these to the U.S. under U.S. brands. But the U.S. management seems to be unwilling to do so. They believe that such cars do net sell and push them into niche brands. GM has a total of thirteen brands, Toyota has three. Who is doing better?

The basic idea that car manufacturers should offer producer finance to car buyers seems wrong to me. Companies and their management usually make either good products or are good in banking operation. Partnering with local banks for car finance might be a better way to do that business. And why do consumer finance cars at all? It is quite expensive if you include the full insurance that is demanded.

The dealership structure in the U.S. is a consequence of the historic buying/selling habits that are no longer justified. The manufacturers send cars to the dealers in various colors and with various features independent of real customer demand. The dealers are supposed to sell the cars they get upfront, not the cars the customers really want. A different selling system would provide the dealers with one car of each type. The customer could test-drive that car, smell it, feel it and check the possible variants. The buyer could then decide what features and color s/he exactly wants. A clever produce-on demand system could deliver the individualized car within one or two weeks. And why not sell such individually configured cars through the internet?

Health care is an issue where the government could really help the car companies. Single payer universal health care in a regulated government provided system would do a lot to lower health care costs in the U.S. while providing, in average, much better service. For companies like the car manufacturers the effective hourly wage cost would sink and make them more competitive.

Many of the pension obligations companies and cities, counties and states have are already under-financed. Many of their pension funds will go bust and the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp will have to take care of them. The PBGC is backstopped by the federal government. One can argue that the under-financed pension funds are already a form of silent socialization of risk and losses and in effect a scam. Socialize the companies’ and other pension funds now by putting their money and their obligations into an extended social security system. The effects will be the same than with universal health care.

In my view the government could and should help the car manufacturers. But just to provide loans now when it is obvious that without deep structural changes more loan requests will follow before the inevitable bankruptcy, does not help.

Band aid is not sufficient now. The debt bubble busted and there is deep need for structural changes to get back to some healthy economy. The government can provide some of these structural changes, especially in health care and pensions. The other structural changes have to be in the mindset of the car manufacturers and their management. Any loan to these companies should be conditioned on such changes taking place.

Comments

Of course, they could always do what the Brits did years ago, and let the auto companies go bust, or be sold off to foreign owners, with the result that there is no longer a major auto industry in UK.
On a more serious level, could you explain to us, b, the structure of the auto industry in Germany, which permits it to survive? Simply as a comparative case. I remember recently that 20% of Volkswagen is owned by the state of Bavaria, at the point where much of the rest was bought up by Porsche.
Or is the German auto industry in as bad a situation as that of the US?

Posted by: alex | Nov 8 2008 20:46 utc | 1

That’s the German state of Lower Saxony that owns 20% of VW. As far as I can tell, the State of Bavaria holds no major interest in BMW.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 8 2008 21:34 utc | 2

The reason for failure of GM, Ford and Chrysler is that, quite frankly, they did not make very good cars. Compared with Toyota, Volkswagen, Volvo, and so many others, American cars simply could not compete.
The end of easy credit, will be devastating to all industries, and not just U.S> car makers. Without financing, only people with cash on hand or excellent credit could buy cars. This is as it should be, of course, but it means ultimately that far fewer cars will be sold and prices will have to come down, and that fewer cars will be made. Think of it as a car bubble just like the housing bubble.
The transition from easy credit to responsible borrowing has to happen, but its going to hurt like hell. I don’t think we have thought through all the consequences.

Posted by: Lysander | Nov 8 2008 21:44 utc | 3

I have written before about the extensive network of subsidies that our government supports. The farmers are incapable of ” making it” without a subsidy. For years the subsidy was camouflaged under the conceit that they , the farmers, were paid not to produce because they were such great farmers. Now ethanol is subsidized and the cheaper one from Brazil taxed. The cotton producers, the bee keepers, the opera houses, the airlines all and many more are subsidized. Airplane producers are subsidized through the conceit that they also produce weapons. In a word subsidies are everywhere, my youngest son got his PH D under grants from several institutions, I had to pay nothing. The case of the car makers is the latest and now very acute need for public subsidy. Profit is impossible. The result of the conceit that profit is possible results in manifestation of its impossibility, like now, which is called crisis but these are not crises they are the elemental manifestation of productive relations.

Posted by: jlcg | Nov 8 2008 22:26 utc | 4

Cars!? Who knew from cars?!
This thing in Detroit is about jobs, capice? Nobody cares about cars, they care about jobs.
Three million jobs gone just for starters, starting before Christmas if we don’t do sumpin’ fast, and millions of other jobs that those three million will strangle in turn, and away we go downhill from there.
The streets would be full of bloody-minded people overnight, and they wouldn’t go home because they won’t have homes.
Washington will move on this because they have got to hold the line on jobs wherever the line is on any given morning. The airlines are in line behind these Detroit guys, and after the airlines it’ll be shipping, trucking, and so on. Our economy is more managed now the the Chinese economy, and we’re just getting warmed up.
As my Uncle Tony says, “This ain’t rocket surgery!” The only possible responses out of Washington are in the direction of “let ’em all fall where they will!” or “forward to the 1990’s!”
Obama and Friends will try to put it all back on a bubble basis by printing enough money to make it look like it’s working just like before . . . but
if you could stand in your own shoes about one year out from today, and check your pockets, you will discover that the money may as well have an extra zero after it for all it will get you. Your wages and dividends will be the same as now, if Obama is careful and lucky, but because he is inflating the money supply, those same earnings and profits will buy only some fraction of what they buy today.
OK, that’s enough of that, back to here and now. Friend, you are going to get a serious haircut in these coming twelve months, whether you are aware of it happening or not. Same pay, less bread and tea for it at the store.
What else can possibly result from printing our way out of this credit famine except diluting the buying power of printed money?

Posted by: Antifa | Nov 8 2008 22:46 utc | 5

What bailed-out banks spend on lobbying: Nineteen banks taking taxpayer money from the Treasury Department have spent $32.4 million lobbying the federal government during the first nine months of this year, their lobbying disclosure reports show.
Ford reports 3Q loss, announces job cuts: Despite receiving a portion of a $25 billion industry bailout from the federal government, Ford said it would cut its research and development budget and eliminate about 10 percent of its white-collar work force as it continues to cut costs.
GM warns it could run out of cash in 2009: General Motors warned Friday that it has only a minimum amount of cash to operate its business through the end of the year, and even with planned restructuring will fall short of cash in the first two quarters of 2009.
Chrysler cash drains away as crisis deepens – sources: Chrysler LLC is rapidly burning through cash and being driven to prepare for a possible break-up if it can’t clinch a merger with General Motors Corp or get government funding needed to ride out the economic crisis, people with knowledge of the situation said.
Auto Leaders to Press for More Federal Aid: Top auto industry executives and the president of the United Auto Workers plan to meet with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi today to ask for additional federal aid for the struggling U.S. carmakers.
Jobs lost in 2008: 1.2 million: . Unemployment soars to 6.5%: With most economic indicators signaling even more difficult times ahead, job losses will likely deepen and continue through at least the first half of 2009.
Consumer bankruptcies in October top 100,000: The sagging economy sparked 106,266 consumer bankruptcy filings in October, the first time monthly filings topped 100,000 since the bankruptcy law changed in 2005, the American Bankruptcy Institute said Tuesday.
Pending Sales of Existing Homes in U.S. Fell 4.6%: – Fewer Americans signed contracts to buy previously owned homes in September, indicating the credit crisis will inflict more damage on the housing market.
US retail sales worst in 35 years; holiday view cut: “The great unknown is just how much lower can consumer spending go?” said Piper Jaffray analyst Jeff Klinefelter. “With savings rates at historic lows and constraints on the availability of consumer credit, I just think there’s concern that the perfect storm is brewing.”
Philadelphia to close libraries, pools, cut jobs: Mayor says city among many facing large budget shortfalls in bad economy
New Hampshire Becomes First State Senate with Female Majority: History was made in New Hampshire on Tuesday as New Hampshire’s state senate became the first state legislative body in US history with a female majority. Thirteen of the state’s twenty-four senators are now women.

blowback?

Posted by: constant | Nov 9 2008 0:57 utc | 9

I can only give you an example of what happened in Serbia. Before great inflation Milosevic also gave a lot of taxpayer’s money to then emerging private companies in Serbia. But not to all of them only to his selected people. I personally knew one of the owners of middle size company (close to Milosevic politically) who back then took this loan in Serbian dinars from the government to upgrade his business. Only that this money then converted in 2 millions of German marks ended up in his account in Swiss bank. He waited then for great inflation of 1993 and then he repaid his loan in Serbian dinars for peanuts (really a small fracture of that 2 million German marks).And he was not any mayor player in that game. Go figure why not many people cried in Serbia when Milosevic was dead.
That inflation robed us people of every coin we may save…
What is happening now is a crime. Printing money has one obvious consequence – inflation. It will come pretty fast – not more then 6 – 12 months.
And about superannuation funds here in Australia. It is unprecedented robbery of people’s money. Here (would you believe it?) 9% of salary put in private superannuation funds is COMPULSORY while not guaranteed by government or anybody else. So those funds are gambling on the market with our money and when they lose it (like now) we can’t do anything about it. I really am amazed that Australians allowed this scheme…God times that made it possible are behind us but I don’t hear anybody here complain about this…

Posted by: vbo | Nov 9 2008 3:08 utc | 10

Re GM’s structural problems: “high cost due to health care and pension obligations” — It seems to me that a key to getting national health care passed in this country is for business big and small to realize that it is cheaper and to their advantage — as they have apparently done in Canada. Does anyone know of efforts being made to get business (excluding the insurance companies) on the side of national health care? Wouldn’t this be the time?

Posted by: Emma | Nov 9 2008 11:14 utc | 11

“The reason for failure of GM, Ford and Chrysler is that, quite frankly, they did not make very good cars.”
Exactly. The “big three” have been pushing crap like SUVs down the consumer’s throat for years. The executives who ran these companies into the ground aren’t worried about an imploding economy. They’re not worried about being able to afford retirement or whether the pension funds are funded. As long as they’ve got theirs, everyone else can go get screwed.

Posted by: James Crow | Nov 9 2008 14:38 utc | 12

As a taxpayer, I would say the one condition of aid should be that all upper management must go. If some metrics not achieved after one year, repeat.

Posted by: dacorilitter | Nov 9 2008 15:43 utc | 13

Some of the conclusions above are partially right. First, I live in Michigan and second, I know plenty of people who worked at the big three. Up front, the companies have been mis-managed.
But, GM, FORD, and Chrysler never focused on cars. GM re-made Cadillac, Fords high end Lincolns are good, but low end cars were never produced for profit nor did they care about them. The focus was always trucks and SUVs. Many big three cars and trucks go well over 200,000 miles and are the best built trucks in the world. The US is a big country and they build trucks for a big country that required room and hauling power.
The companies also rely on fleet sales.
Trucks were the big threes bread and butter and created the most profit. When Bush came into office, oil prices started their climb and auto sales slid and Michigans unemployment went up. There is this fallacy out there that the big three don’t make cars people want. That is partially true, but not really because people want trucks. Trucks have more utility and thats what people want. And Chevy can produce trucks with good mileage. My truck gets 25 MPG and it is a heavy half ton. It has a V6 and a five speed trans. It currently has 160,000 miles, uses no oil and runs and drives great. The auto industry needs to build trucks with stick shifts instead of automatics. People are spoiled. That would raise fleet mileage by three to five MPG.
They also could USE the European model cars that get good mileage for US sales. But, the big three are overall right that people in the US don’t really want small cars. Thats just a fact.
It is really the new oil shock that is the bigs threes problem. With gas as high as four dollars a gallon, truck sales tanked and thats where they make their money.
The pension and health care are problems because they have so many obligations. I have always been proponent of national health insurance. The pensions must be taken care of also, but I have no easy answers.

Posted by: jdp | Nov 9 2008 16:50 utc | 14

Any sort of serious tinkering with the dealership structure is way too risky. Porsche dealers threatened to sue the company into bankruptcy some years ago when some company executives merely suggested that direct company-to-buyer sales would be the way to go. I believe that many states have laws explicitly prohibiting new car sales other than through franchised dealers, a consequence no doubt of the tremendous lobbying power of the car dealers.

Posted by: Peter | Nov 9 2008 17:09 utc | 15

[…]there is deep need for structural changes to get back to some healthy economy.

healthy and real economy, the wonder-profit-out-of-nowhere-land doesn’t sustains any more…
i guess big are the chances to be checkmarking Antifa’s predicctions in next 12 months

#6 to #9: gee, constant, would you mind linking only few bits of your posts? all this red is unreadable (unredable!)

Posted by: rudolf | Nov 9 2008 17:10 utc | 16

The core problem with Detroit is identical to other American companies in particular cable companies (Comcast) and deregulated electrical companies (Pepco); Screw the customer. It is the ideology “Greed is Good. Government is Evil” decimating the America’s middle class.
Making loans was a huge money maker for the manufacturers. Now the companies have taken a financial bath on car leases because their used cars at the end if the lease are worthless. American business and government have forgotten that the only value is new ideas and production of goods. Workers have to be paid enough to afford the cars and housing.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Nov 9 2008 17:32 utc | 17

Constant, great link on GM, GMAC, Chrysler and Cerberus. I have dropped the line about Cerberus on other boards because I believe they are emblematic of this cancer. For those of you who aren’t acquainted with Cerberus, here’s an introduction.
Cerberus Capital Management

Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. is one of the largest private equity investment firms in the United States. The firm is based in New York City, and run by 48-year-old financier Steve Feinberg. Former U.S. Vice President Dan Quayle has been a prominent Cerberus spokesperson and runs one of its international units.
Founded in 1992, Cerberus (named for the legendary three-headed dog in Greek mythology that guarded the gates of Hades) invests primarily in companies which are near bankruptcy in the hope of making the businesses it acquires profitable. Feinberg has stated to his employees that while the Cerberus name seemed like a good idea at the time, he later regretted naming the company after the mythological dog.[1]
The company has been a very active acquirer of businesses over the past several years and now has sizable investments in automotive, sportswear, paper products, military services, real estate, energy, retail, glassmaking, transportation, and building products. In 2006, its holdings amounted to $24 billion. While many of its peers have bought out companies in order to strip assets and sell on for a profit, Cerberus builds its reputation on identifying firms that are undervalued, and assisting in rejuvenating them by working with current management.[1]
On October 19, 2006, John W. Snow, President George W. Bush’s second United States Secretary of the Treasury, was named chairman of Cerberus.

And, here’s some info. on the founder, Stephen Feinberg. Thieves generally do keep a low profile, don’t they?
Stephen A. Feinberg
Before this past April, I worked for one of the carcass companies owned, and controlled by Cerberus. They are vultures, in every sense of the word. Their mission and goal is to pick the carcass clean from a dying economy, further concentrating whatever wealth is left. Disgusting, and I hate them with a passion.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 9 2008 17:57 utc | 18

Holy Shit. Everybody’s in line for a hand-out. It’s corporate welfare on nitrous. We will never, ever be able to pay any of this back as taxpayers (but maybe as serfs). Dark times ahead, indeed. Sharpen the blades on the guillotines.
Pelosi, Reid Press for TARP Aid for Auto Industry

WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid sent a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson urging him to assist the Big Three auto makers by considering broadening the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program to help the troubled industry.
The two top Democratic leaders in Congress are likely to make the request in a letter to the White House, which could be forwarded as soon as Saturday afternoon, said individuals familiar with the matter. President-elect Barack Obama is generally supportive of the appeal, but at the moment is moving on his own track to assist the industry, these individuals said.
Mr. Obama is scheduled to meet with President George W. Bush at the White House Monday.
The White House has been reluctant to broaden use of the $700 billion program, which was created by Congress just ahead of the election to deal improve credit flows and calm turmoil in financial markets incited by the downturn in the housing economy.
“It was not set up for anything else,” said Bush spokesman Tony Fratto, noting the only assistance authorized by Congress for the auto industry is a $25 billion loan package meant to help the industry retool to meet higher fuel economy standards.
The appeal from Mrs. Pelosi (D., Calif.) and Mr. Reid (D., Nev.) comes a few days after the lawmakers met with senior executives for the Big Three auto makers. The industry, facing huge losses, is seeking a range of government assistance, including access to the $700 billion program.
Though the administration is reluctant to widen the program to cover autos, there has been discussion among Bush officials of expanding use of the $700 billion to buy equity stakes in a range of financial-sector companies, moving beyond just banks and insurers. The focus would be on assisting companies that provide financing to the broad economy, such as bond insurers and specialty finance firms such as General Electric Co.’s GE Capital unit, CIT Group Inc. and others, individuals familiar with the matter said.
Democratic congressional leaders are considering convening a lame-duck session of Congress later this month to deal with economic concerns. The session could be used to enact a short-term stimulus package or to approve assistance for auto makers. But the Democratic leadership is not inclined to act, absent a signal from the White House that Mr. Bush would be willing to sign a bill.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 9 2008 21:01 utc | 19

But, the big three are overall right that people in the US don’t really want small cars. Thats just a fact.
Well, at some point, the reality will hit them like a concrete wall, and it’ll be a bit late for them to acknowledge they had shitty judgment and were wrong all along.
Then, it seems that this might well be the future epitaph of the American way of life, if not of the whole of the USA.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Nov 9 2008 21:08 utc | 20

Under a charitable reading, the loans/gifts to car cos. are made to support employment and ‘benefits’ (retirements etc.) – for the one automotive factory worker and the 5 others who supply parts, services, etc. etc. The PTB don’t want to let these dinosaurs go bankrupt as no one will buy a car from a BK company. And by now, throwing good money after bad is ingrained, Gvmt. sanctioned, everyone and his granny will be at the till.
jdp posted at 14 about trucks etc.: It is really the new oil shock that is the bigs threes problem. ..yes..
Energy: about 1/7 of an ordinary, regular, smallish car’s life in energy terms is put into its manufacture. Getting rid of the carcasses is energy intensive as well.
pic of dead cars
from Chris Jordan, photog. of US consumption. link

Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 10 2008 17:25 utc | 21

rudolf @16
OK I have to admit I got carried away a bit
it seemed to me that there was a flood of news about the homeland proper on http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ so I cut and pasted the whole lot at the end of that load
better to have a home in foreclosure than your house bombed
better to only have to worry about the cost of daycare than about the effects of depleted uranium

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