Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 5, 2008
Change: The Possible One And The One You Might Get

I happen to agree with both, Malooga’s stirring piece below (which I lifted from a comment), and John B. Judis’ analysis on America the Liberal

If Obama and the Democrats in Congress act boldly, they can not only arrest the downturn, but also lay the basis for an enduring majority. As was the case with Franklin Roosevelt, many of the measures necessary to combat the recession–such as spending money on physical and electronic infrastructure, adopting national health insurance–will also help ensure a Democratic majority. The rural South remained Democrat for generations because of Roosevelt’s rural electrification program; a similar program for bringing broadband to the hinterland could lead these voters back to the Democratic Party. And national health insurance could play the same role in Democrats’ future prospects that Social Security played in the perpetuation of the New Deal majority.


The Republican Party will be divided and demoralized after this defeat. Just as the Great Depression took Prohibition and the other great social issues of the 1920s off the popular agenda, this downturn has set aside the culture war of the last decades. It wasn’t a factor in the presidential election. And the business lobbies that blocked national health insurance in 1994 will incur the public’s wrath if they once again try to buy Congress.

If, on the other hand, Obama and the Democrats take the advice of official Washington and go slow–adopting incremental reforms, appeasing adversaries that have lost their clout–they could end up prolonging the downturn and discrediting themselves. What could have been a hard realignment could become not merely a soft realignment, but perhaps even an abortive one. That’s not the kind of change that America needs or wants–and, hopefully, Obama and the Democrats understand that.

by Malooga:

Remember those old TV commercials where the unsuspecting housewife
learns that her old brand of laundry detergent has been surreptitiously
replaced with a newer better brand, and she just can’t believe it?

Well, that’s what happened to us. The brand was changed with the
pre-planned financial collapse and the largest transfer of wealth in
human history. We all really know this, but because the corporate press
does not "catapult the propaganda" it still doesn’t seem real.

All we’re seeing now is the paper being peeled back to reveal the
new brand we will be using for the next four years. Sure, we’ll like
the tone and timbre of this new product, but the structural adjustments
were put into place well ahead of time.

A system whereby two corporate controlled images are put before us,
allowed to say whatever they want knowing that they will never be held
accountable (eg. Bush: humble foreign policy), and we are told that
voting for the preferrable image, who will then "represent" us; such a
system whereby the fetish act of voting is intended as a substitute for
actual democratic engagement (something most of us, as structurally
intended, have no time for anyway) is not a Democracy, but a triumph of
totalitarian propaganda.

(I have recently been involved in legislation at the State level,
and just to see how relatively innocuous legislation is taken hold of
by monied interests, how swans are turned into arcane pigs — too
complex for any but the smartest of those professionally involved in
all of this to grasp — given cute names, and foisted upon the
ignorant, prejudiced and fearful public; to see how these bulbous,
heinous, genetically-modified creatures are dumped on the public plate
and called meat is more than discouraging.)

So, what has happened? People have been so scared, so
shock-therapied, that they have endorsed a man who says things they
don’t advocate and cannot be held to his pronouncements anyway. Endless
articles have been written daily, on Counterpunch for one, detailing
those pronouncements, the advisors, where the unprecedented amounts of
moolah where coming from, but all of this counts for nothing for the
True Believers, where belief and hope short-circuit logic and strategy.
I’m sorry that Arthur Silber came up against some unforseen problems,
because his expected but unpublished series on tribalism promised far
more insight into this phenomenon than my poor mind is able to come up
with.

In the end, people are controlled by stimulating them until their
emotions overcome their reason. Resistance falls away and they are
easily lead.

What is so galling to me here is not the expectation that things
will change for the better in spite of all evidence to the contrary,
not this magical thinking, no, but the almost universal belief around
here that strategies for fundamental change come from elections and
that such strategies for fundamental change must necessarily be limited
to single election horizons, even if proved strategies, which could
take a generation to effect deep, meaningful, and life-affirming
change, exist. Obama Tina (There Is No Alternative, as Maggie Thatcher
used to say about the neo-conservative program). Just don’t labor under
any illusions that the elite limits their own plans and machinations to
single election spans. That’s not what think-tanks are for. So who has
the advantage in this contest, this game of chess — the voters, or the
ruling elite?

The ruling class has nothing in common with the common man,
indeed cannot have anything in common with him, because their job is to
control you. It’s called the ruling class because it rules. It doesn’t
matter how smiley the face you see and hear daily is — it will be just
as lethal because the beast is a shark and that is its nature. Yes,
crony dollars will now trickle down to the equally dirty democrats now,
but all others in its voracious path will be destroyed.

It was clear for quite some time that a much larger faction of the
ruling elite preferred the Obama image, knowing that USAans have had
their fill of the current public tenor. (If we stop bombing people, we
will go back to bombing water plants and farms. Peasants must be
starved before they will give up their farms and local foods and brands
and incorporated into the wage-slavery system as the new place to open
low-cost factories in the inevitable drive to the bottom. This is how
we won in Vietnam, and how we will inevitably win in Iraq and
Afghanistan. TINA. Starve them into submission, then let the NGO’s come
in and feed them.)

The corporate media could have destroyed Obama as easily as one
brushes away a gnat if they had wanted. No stories about what type of
underwear Obama wears, or whether his ears are too flappy, his suits
too loose, his face too much like Alfred E. Neuman’s. Instead, the
corporate media turned on McCain with a vengeance. The straight-talk
express of eight years ago became a mean, surly cur. The media manufactures consent and the public buys it.
Even those who study and know its rules fall for it. The images of the
two candidates could have been reversed with ease if those who own the
media had wanted it.

All of my research into the mechanics of elections over the past eight years have proven to me that this election could
have been stolen just as easily as the past two, if the elite had
wanted it. That they didn’t does nothing to restore my faith in the
ultimate justice and reliability of the system. Those who spent their
time campaigning may have helped assuage their own feelings of
hopelessness and uselessness, but the fix was in, and in the end they
changed nothing. (We have no idea how many votes were stolen in this
selection to preserve some sense of contest and excitement. (It is hard
to draw people into an inevitable confidence game.)

Well, it’s a new morning in America, or whatever the slogan this
time was. Ah yes, "Change." I advise you all to beware the pernicious
word "reform," which inevitably follows the word "change." Welfare
reform, entitlement reform, social security reform, health care reform.
Beware. Some fool here actually mentioned health care reform as a
reason to support Obama and no one called him out on it. First of all,
peel off the Orwellian use of words. We have no healthcare system in
the US. The rich can afford healthy food and safe working conditions
and less stress and clean air and non-polluted locales and the poor
cannot. What is hoped to be thrust down the gullets of the sheeple is a
catastrophic illness program, which would be well needed, but instead
is a give-away to the insurance industry, as pioneered in Massachusetts
by Mitt Romney (remember him?) whereby one is obligated by law to
purchase health insurance, regardless of your ability to pay, and
regardless of how flea-riddled said insurance proves to be.

Obama will not be a savior. He has no answer to the real structural
problems which are never addressed in elections: the fact that, as
Sheldon Wolin points out, we spend almost as much of our offensive
mlitary in this country as the sum total of all corporate profits
(ponder that and what it says about us as a people), or the fact that,
according to Derrick Jenson, plastic now outweighs phytoplankton in our
oceans by a ratio of six to one.

Change. Remember how seven years ago Shrub was drifting along
aimlessly when suddenly "A New Pearl Harbor" happened and the small
Bush was transformed into a wartime leader while the rest of us had
little option but to follow the piper? Detestable corporate-whore, now
VP Biden, has already informed us that if the protests for genuine
change become too loud we will be treated to a similar enactment. (As
Dr. Johnson said about the purpose of art: Instruct and delight,
instruct and delight.) Beware. We are soon to be instructed and
delighted.

Change never came from an election without social movements, just as love never came from a hand that happened to be your own.

So everyone here now has their candidate; even the casinos where I
live let you win every once in a while so you keep coming back. All of
those who invested time and energy in the campaign; all of those who
supported the duopoly by voting for Obama have every moral right to
take credit for any good they may have helped bring about. But, by the
same logic, every death — whether by bombing or democratic starvation
— that Obama brings about during the next four years, well, some small
part of the responsiblity, the guilt, the violence, the vengence, the
pain caused, and the lives shredded so effortlessly by the machine,
some part of that must also rightly accrue to you and your efforts.

Yes, even my pacifist housemate, whose father was a conscientious
objector during the "Good War," WWII, and later became a minister and
went to France to aid the afflicted, all at great personal cost, even
she voted for Obama and had no answer to my challenge. She does not
believe in killing under any circumstance (the simplified fairy-tale we
are sold about Gandhi), but she voted for a killer, a supporter of
murder, hence a murderer himself. I believe that the oppressed of the
world have the right to defend their lives against those who would
exterminate them — by violence and even by killing. But I could not
bring myself to share in the complicity of being, even in some small
measure, the oppressor of others, the killer, as Martin Luther King
said, "The greatest purveyor of violence in the world."

It’s a deadly game I want no part of, and I just couldn’t do it. I
could not bring myself to feed the machine of oppression, pillage and
murder.

Change. Enjoy. Bask. Even gloat. Your team won this time. The
tribal part of you, the "us against others" deserves to feel good. Hey,
what’s that red stuff on my hands?

Comments

malooga is certainly correct to decry “reform” when it’s abolition & reformating that are required. however, there is a genuine sense of empowerment throughout many of different subcultures throughout this country right now & it would be unhelpful, to say the least, to not take advantage of that & build upon it, in whatever increments opportunity affords & momentum attends

Posted by: b real | Nov 5 2008 16:04 utc | 1

I’ve watched everything very, very closely. Obama has opportunities few in his position have ever had. He’s not in bed or indebted to any particular constituency, and from everything I’ve seen he’s been confabbing w/some very good people on most critical issues.
I would have like to have heard a lot more specificity from him, and I think he & we would have benefited. I’m telling myself he kept it simple as a political calculation. We’ll see.
I do think he has character… exceptional charactar, and I do think he’s got superior smarts aw well. I’m gon’a support him 10 fold until he gives me reason not to.
re: Masschio…

What is so galling to me here is not the expectation that things will change for the better in spite of all evidence to the contrary, not this magical thinking, no, but the almost universal belief around here that strategies for fundamental change come from elections and that such strategies for fundamental change must necessarily be limited to single election horizons, even if proved strategies, which could take a generation to effect deep, meaningful, and life-affirming change, exist.

That sounds awful dark and detached to me.
On of the things I’ve come to learn in life… special people, those that stand out from a crowd and really make a difference, they can come from anywhere. Government, church, a school teacher/lawyer or whatever, they can and do show up anywhere.
Obama, IMO, has a real opportunity to show up. He’s right here, right now, w/a very, very attentive public wholeheartedly throwing BushCo crony capitalism away with both hands & awaiting marching orders.
As to long term horizons, journey of 1000 miles begins w/the first step.
This one’s real different than any post election opportunity in my lifetime. We’ll see.

Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 5 2008 16:18 utc | 2

Apologies… Masschio should be Malooga.

Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 5 2008 16:37 utc | 3

1997, London ands indeed all UK. Joy unlimited. Hope. The tawdry gang of shysters and gangsters and con-men and snooty blue bloods that had robbed the British peoople of wealth and dignity and self respect were swept away in a flood. Tony Blair was PM. Tony Blair at No 10. Hope. Joy. Change. Reform. Avance. A new world beckoned. The nation was united in utter exuberation. Freedom. Labour were in. Victory. Justice. DEMOCRACY…….
AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED.

Posted by: Kelso | Nov 5 2008 16:49 utc | 4

what is left of my brain knows that malooga is correct on the essential. indeed he does not go far enough but as malooga suggests even the hardest amongst us are seduced by the possibillity of possibility
the times are so dark we reach for light. whatever light
even an old routine, one step forward, two steps backwards
i was reproched here for nut understanding this as the will of the people. i truly hope that is true & the consequences of that will impact as heavily on the democrats as the demands of the elite
b has made quite clear that the financial collapse is going to get worse, much worse – we all know that – so the day-to-day conditions are going to determine how the people organise. in france we have associations which are established as defenders of the republic & even tho they have been under attack – they still survive & are at the forefront of alll struggle here. thatcher, blair hawke etc etc made the destruction of public society one of their principal concerns & there is very little public life left except drunkenness & jingoism or both
this mechanism has been smashed in american life from the beginning – whether trade unions, legal aid health etc & i don’t know if it is a possibility even in these times
hope is a delicate thing but it is a construction not of faith but of muscle

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 5 2008 16:53 utc | 5

The Onion: Black Man Given Nation’s Worst Job
/satire

Posted by: catlady | Nov 5 2008 17:27 utc | 6

Be that as it may. Our Betters’ weak spot remains that they pretend we are a Democracy, and people believe it.
So, what can be done? I think first we need an all-American insistence that Congress immediately end any money in politics that doesn’t come from citizens. Blog it madly and push it out where it can’t be hidden: Congress, either you represent us, or you are On The Take. Clear and simple.
Let’s not argue whether Corporate money is speech. Grant that it is, and a very particular kind of speech at that: invitation to corruption.
Back our political establishment into either acting as if their interests are the American people, or proving once and for all they are crooks. Don’t see any other starting point for changing things for real. And we’ve only the myth of Democracy as leverage.

Posted by: jim p | Nov 5 2008 17:45 utc | 7

jdmckay@2
On of the things I’ve come to learn in life… special people, those that stand out from a crowd and really make a difference, they can come from anywhere. Government, church, a school teacher/lawyer or whatever, they can and do show up anywhere.
jdmckay, I think you sense the amount of talent, application & hard-work towards delivering its message that went into Obama’s campaign.
all of America already knew Obama before they ever heard of him. He’s the smart, calm & caring supervisor who looks out for the team and sets up some extra hours for you when you really need the money, while McCain is the boss at HQ who does’nt seem to care.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Nov 5 2008 18:08 utc | 8

That was nothing short of spectacular, Malooga, and my sentiments, exactly.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 5 2008 18:14 utc | 9

It was clear for quite some time that a much larger faction of the ruling elite preferred the Obama image, knowing that USAans have had their fill of the current public tenor.
Please explain why these “elections” are still necessary? That is, why it is still necessary to appeal to the whims of the “USAans”? Because it would have been a lot easier to have given us another unexciting Democrat to run against the old man.
The advantage for the RC would have been to further increase fear and disgust and cynicism, all good things if you need to manipulate the masses.
So, why run an uplifting, empowering, intelligent person like Obama? Surely you don’t believe that the electorate has suddenly gotten too bright to be fooled again, do you?

Posted by: Cougarhutch | Nov 5 2008 18:14 utc | 10

Please explain why these “elections” are still necessary?
Just take a look around you. Everybody’s celebrating around here. It works…like a charm. Now it’s the Republicans turn to be pissed, and we remain divided, while the Plutocracy remains united, at the top. Race is a part of it. By focusing on race, and not class, to divide us, we never look at the Plutocracy as our one and true enemy, instead we look at the Plutocracy, and say that could be me if I work hard enough.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 5 2008 18:42 utc | 11

A contrary view: Obama has said, “Now is not the time for small plans”.
If he (perhaps with the consent of the ruling class) embarks on major infrastructure revamps (“build something so they see the change you made and they will re-elect you”, the (positive)changes to the country would be generational, just like the Interstates changed the country.
Secondly, if he (just to appease the millions who took to the streets yesterday, perhaps) made structural changes to the financial and health systems (perhaps to the benefit of the ruling class, but hey, trickles down, no?) and unleashed consumer spending, at least the air of affluence would return very quickly.
Finally, if he also refrained from crippling nonsensical wars and focused on the home court, the financial system would respond positively as well.

Posted by: whenwego | Nov 5 2008 19:03 utc | 12

a very good question Cougarhutch.
maybe the PTB weren’t paying attention and became complacent. maybe Obama has much more talent than expected and they let him run. The republicans didn’t want to further ruin their own image, sooner or later the ditto heads will figure out they have been had so they put forth a candidate that was likely to lose and even if he won they could say he wasn’t one of them.
for whatever reason, the democrats couldn’t come up with anyone who could convince the voters to come out. Clinton fired up some women but turned off a lot of men, Edwards was dangerous but the media took care of him and he had a dirty little secret that would have taken him out of the end game anyway. Biden and Dodd were unexciting old Washington insiders and East Coasters who are distrusted by the rest of the nation. Obama can speak, he could say he didn’t vote for the war in Iraq when no one else could, and he had the right credentials to be trusted with the keys to the palace.
A lot of people who saw their country being eroded and pissed away by crooks in power right now wanted to do something. obama was the guy who seemed capable of doing something.
I really want him to succeed, I fear he won’t. I am hearing he is going to put Powell in his admin, that is revolting. Emanuel as COS is a hint of where his admin is going.
looking at the faces of the people in the crowd really moves me. I would like to be that taken in too. Instead i will just stay quiet and let them enjoy their moment. I fear massive heartbreak very soon. Malooga has said it so many times and it bears repeating again. Democracy does not mean going out to vote for a president every 4 years. We have to take charge of our own destiny.

Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 5 2008 19:07 utc | 13

This is also a good summation of Obama’s outlook:
Sam Smith

Posted by: biklett | Nov 5 2008 19:24 utc | 14

Democracy does not mean going out to vote for a president every 4 years. We have to take charge of our own destiny.
that’s the point i was trying to make above – obama may indeed represent the dominator culture. but the significance of his election empowers those that don’t necessary subscribe/assimilate to continuing its lesser traits. overlook the reality that obama is selling magic snake oil to the masses & that we are witnessing the creation of a new myth out of the intersection of many. look beyond that if we can & focus on how this can further empower those in the subaltern. the u.s. is trending toward a different demographic makeup. building new mvmts outside of the white anglo, progressive mindset seems more possible than ever in this nation at this particular moment in time.

Posted by: b real | Nov 5 2008 19:26 utc | 15

“We have to take charge of our own destiny.”
Hopefully, thats what Obama’s giant campaign infrastructure is for – to keep the pressure on, to keep the ball rolling, and maintain full campaign mode. If Obama abandons the left wholesale, that infrastructure will disappear, along with his potential. No matter how many DNC commissars he appoints.

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 5 2008 19:36 utc | 16

nader’s november 5th mvmt
The election is over and we must begin turning our country around now, or the opportunity may not come again. By quickly organizing ourselves in each of the 435 congressional districts, over the next 100 days, we can make single-payer healthcare, a living wage, and a less militaristic society our long-term reality. We must do this because the founders of these United States gave us the power to do it. Please watch the video and sign up today.

Posted by: b real | Nov 5 2008 19:57 utc | 17

Malooga, there’s this new KoolAid called Xanas…ask for it!
Deadbeat downbeat marxist obfusctication is for Jim Jonesia.

Karzai urges Obama to end civilian casualties
Updated Wed. Nov. 5 2008 2:02 PM ET
The Associated Press
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — Afghan President Hamid Karzai urged president-elect Barack Obama to end civilian casualties once and for all Wednesday amid reports that dozens of women and children were killed in U.S. air strikes on a wedding party in southern Afghanistan.
The U.S. military said it was investigating the reported bombing and a U.S. spokesman added that “if innocent people were killed, we apologize and express our condolences.”
The governor of Kandahar province, Rahmatullah Raufi, told a news conference Wednesday that the Taliban attacked an American convoy in an area where a wedding party was also underway.
The Americans responded by calling in an air strike, he said.
“It was a mistake — they hit the wedding party and thought it was the Taliban,” Raufi said.
“The plane hit the mountain and the village, too, which resulted in heavy civilian casualties.”
The governor declined to venture a guess on the number of dead and accounts from others varied widely.
One witnesses, Juma Khan, said 37 people, including 23 children and 10 women, were killed in his compound. A senior official with Kandahar’s provincial government put the death toll as high as 90.
“When the fighting started, the jets came and bombed,” said Juma Khan, who was lying in a hospital bed with his eyes bandaged.
“To whom do we cry and to whom do we ask about casualties,” he said rubbing his hands over the bandages.
“We are not Taliban so why did they bomb us?”
The report of air strikes in the Shah Wali Kot district comes three months after the Afghan government and a preliminary UN investigation found that a U.S. operation killed some 90 civilians in western Afghanistan.
Initially, U.S. officials said only a handful of people died in the attack on the village in Herat province, but a subsequent American investigation prompted by video evidence raised that toll to 33.
Canadian ground troops also operate in the Shah Wali Kot region but were not involved in Monday’s hostilities.
“I can confirm that no Canadian troops were involved in the incidents in Shah Wali Kot,” said Canadian Forces spokesman Maj. Jay Janzen in Kandahar.
“Canadian troops are responsible for Kandahar province. We do occasionally go into the Shah Wali Kot area but do not proceed as far north as where the incident occurred.”
Karzai referred to the bombing at a news conference Wednesday held to congratulate Obama on his victory in the U.S. presidential election.
Karzai said his first demand of he new president is prevent civilian casualties in operations by foreign forces, citing specifically air strikes that he said had caused deaths in the Shah Wali Kot district.
“As we speak, there are civilian casualties in Afghanistan,” Karzai said.
U.S. forces in Afghanistan and the Afghan Ministry of Interior issued a news release to announce an investigation into the incident.
“The coalition and Afghan authorities are investigating reports of non-combatant casualties in the village of Wech Baghtu,” said Cmdr. Jeff Bender, deputy public affairs officer, U.S. Forces Afghanistan.
“Though facts are unclear at this point, we take very seriously our responsibility to protect the people of Afghanistan and to avoid circumstances where non-combatant civilians are placed at risk,” he said.
“If innocent people were killed in this operation, we apologize and express our condolences to the families and the people of Afghanistan.”
Military personnel have been dispatched to the area to begin the investigation.

Posted by: Shah Loam | Nov 5 2008 20:20 utc | 18

@11, exactly. We have to keep people in the game, otherwise they might start looking at some of those very attractive third party candidates and break the duopoly. (Don’t worry there is an answer to that, too.)
No doubt Obama is bright and a very good speaker. (His fake 60’s civil rights era slurring of word endings started to grate on me, completely unlike his authentic accent of several years ago.)
But I see no evidence in either his record or his campaign promises of anything other than a Chicago School, elite-picked, faux activist, Ivy league indoctrinated, self-advancer.
I spent some time in Hyde Park and know many people who knew him back when. In general, he is well liked and respected. But community politics in Chicago are brutal, pitting interest group against interest group — just ask Alinsky — and no one comes out of there with shit that don’t stink.
Obama might stand out from the crowd — so did Clinton, in my opinion — but that does not negate the fact that he was hand-picked by Ford Foundation Rockefeller money.
If he turns out to be other than a slick-talking globalist, I’ll buy everyone here drinks on the house.
As far as African-Americans are concerned, one hopes that he will be better than Colin Powell and Condi Rice, but that is setting the limbo bar so low it would be hard for even one as skeletal and shifty as Obama to shimmy beneath it.
Look for lots of Democratic “humanitarian
interventions.” (The Congo, Zimbabwe?)
And I agree with b that we bombed Syria because we could, because we are the “Exceptional Nation” that can intervene in the affairs of any other nation in ways that they could never do to the US.
Obama has embraced US exceptionalism wholeheartedly. It is the single most destructive, cult-like, belief system on the planet; making “Radical Islam,” “Islamo-fascism,” or whatever the fuck the Bernard Lewis’ of the world are calling it today look like a tame field mouse in comparison.
If the military budget is cut, it will be marginal, a mere pause in the exponential curve to Christian dominion heaven, and principally due to reliance on new generations of weapons: drones piloted by computer from Las Vegas in between gambling binges, and the new genre of “non-lethal” crowd control weapons: tasers (again, see Arthur Silber on this), and microwave beams. How humane empire will become under the Obama regime!
Again, internationally, as nationally, the engineered “financial crisis” has propelled the heretofore moribund IMF to new heights of theft, mendacity, and injustice. Obama’s dirty work is already done for him — like magic — leaving him to play “good cop” to the previous regime’s “bad cop.” It’s so easy to play good cop when you’ve got other nations by the balls and your squeezing hard and twisting at the same time.
Structural adjustment: the rich eat and sleep, while others starve and weep. Flat taxes and lax regulations on business, and privatisation of all government services: water, utilities, health, education, etc. If you can’t pay, it’s because you are irresponsible, according to ralphieboy, or because you can’t compete in the global marketplace, according to Thomas Friedman. Whatever. The poor and dumb should just quietly perish: structural eugenics is what it should be called.
Do we need to go through a primer on the IMF again on this blog? Has Obama spoken out against the new round of “structural reform” affecting the poor of the world; has he distanced hmself in any way? More poor will suffer under “good cop” Obama, than under the “bad cop” regime. Watch and see. (At least until they agree to give up their land for GMO crops and foreign-owned mining.)
Uncle $cam said I should post again about the difference between left and right. Read James Petras if you are interested in the difference between faux-left politico-speak and independant leftist policy, and how the elite-instituted austerity is already impinging upon the poor in “independent” Latin America. Yes, it’s a long, complex, often dry, and discouraging article, a far cry from tearing up when Obama intones “Change!!!!!!!!!” — but if you want to understand the way the world works, why there is poverty and injustice, suffering and heartache, in unprecedented amounts and percentages worldwide, (along with unprecedented wealth and privilege), and why humans appear to be structurally unable to do other than destroy the planet at as rapid a pace as possible — if you want to combat injustice — then one must dig beneath the thin crust of campaign political rhetoric to gain understanding and guidance in right action.
Remember, those who own and run things do not have our interests at heart. They will find ways to co-opt all manner of dissent and render it powerless. Obama is only one of the ways.

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 5 2008 20:26 utc | 19

While I don’t disagree with much of what Malooga wrote I don’t see a lot of point in it either. In the world of individual absorption that most ‘civilised’ people live, divide and rule isn’t even that necessary, so Obamageddon’s rationale for the current farce hasn’t got legs.
Why then the farce? Most likely because while we may draw the ruling elite with uniformly black hearts, that isn’t how they see themselves, and secondly because creatures of habit that most humans are, the election just ‘happened’.
The religious type movement we saw wasn’t a deliberate construct it grew outta the unique cultural climate that developed during the shrub years.
It has been obvious since at least 2006 that the rethug construct was no longer salable and the proverbial drover’s dog could have beaten anything put up by that half of the empire war party.
C’mon cast yer minds back to the start of this circus!
Anyone who ran an appraising eye over the repug line-up of hopefuls saw the biggest collection of misfits since mondale and ferraro. Why?
Because everyone apart from the desperate has beens and wanna-bes who had thrown their hat in the repug ring saw the task was hopeless, and since winning the nomination and losing the election is certain political suicide, up and coming rethugs stayed right away.
But that doesn’t address my opening statement about the pointlessness of this discussion. Apart from granting oneself the opportunity to say “I told you so” in a few months, this line of discussion is essentially purposeless probably destructive to the ends it aspires to.
If as Malooga said, and many agree, that real change isn’t gonna come out of an election, can’t come out of an election, cause that possibility was negated sometime time very early in the life of this ‘republic’, why even discuss this stuff?
Change in amerika cannot possibly arise out of some reasoned debate by the ‘enlightened’ either, because those bases were covered long ago as well.
The only time that real transformational change (to steal an a la mode hackneyed phrase) could occur in amerika will be when the mobs bust loose, breaking up the structure in a display of raw emotional energy.
That is unlikely to get sufficient momentum up while the oppressive infrastructure remains intact.
Not for nothing has the domestic military option which Uncle $cam has been drawing our attention to, been put in place.
That infrastructure will be able to withstand anything that locals can throw at it until the empire’s foreign adventures drain it to the point where reinforcing them becomes such a priority that the rulers forget their need for domestic vigilance. Or more likely gamble that the domestic vigilance won’t be tested while they sort out whatever corner of a foreign field they are bombing ‘back to the stoneage’ that particular week. We know this because that is the way other empires died.
It is the rest of the world, those of us who live outside amerika who are going to have to create the opportunity for real change, an opportunity that will only be taken up when the masses inside amerika have had their hopes dashed so many times they can see the mirages of jingoism and exceptionalism for what they are.
As this election has demonstrated amerikans are nowhere near that point yet, but this election and the disillusionment that will inevitably follow is a vital part of the process of getting amerikans to the point of insurrection.
Some sort of reasoned debate about the worthlessness of yesterday’s events is not part of that process. Not only because the real change, when it comes, won’t be the result of intellectual discourse. It will be the result of ordinary people deciding they aren’t gonna take it any more, and talking this talk harms ordinary peeps more than it hurts the greed heads. It is exactly the type of discussion that turns most humans away from exploring real possibilities for change.
Who wants to listen to wowsers who won’t let a victory be celebrated? So what if the victory does turn out to be Pyrrhic? All the more reason to have fun now while we still can. As for the wowsers, always there to tip a bucket of water on our fun, what use are their ideas gonna be to the 95% of the population who like to feel more than they think?
And this line of thinking is more likely to cause division and dissension amongst the people that hate the empire, far more than any discomfort for those who lead and profit from it.
And no I am not proposing a ‘noble lie’ more a compassionate silence if needed, but really a little participation in the celebration is even better. Laughing, crying and dancing in the streets doesn’t kill, at best it re-enervates, at worst it gives everyone practice at acting out on their streets.
There is one more issue which has been skirted past here but which really pisses me off. I wrote the other day about how it feels to me that even humanist whitefellas in the North seem to be able to ignore the horrors of colonial imperialism. Act as though that is all back long ago. History.
It is easy for us, (the almost 100% pure whitefellas who inhabit this board) to say that the struggle is purely a class struggle and that race is a distraction, an irrelevancy, but go and say that to an unwhite especially an amerikan unwhite descendant of slaves.
For an african american who has seen time and time again that the ‘class struggle’ becomes a race struggle when the so called lefties he/she has voted into power makes some small concession to economic disparity while they perpetuate or exacerbate racial oppression. George Wallace wasn’t an aberration of the democrat party, he was a representative of a significant chunk of the party, one that still dominates today.
The sheriff’s deputies of Gretna sent out after Katrina to stop the ‘n….rs’ from leaving New Orleans through their white with a redneck stripe burg, weren’t sent there by shrub or any rethug assholes, they were there courtesy of the dem administration which has dominated louisiana politics since eighteen sixty whenever.
Even if Jesse was crying crocodiles last night, many african amerikans were not, and for middle class whitefellas to turn around the next day and tell them they are a mob of idiots who just got sucked in again is neither helpful nor true, but it is likely to perpetuate the wrongs that most MoA-ites believe they oppose.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 5 2008 21:05 utc | 20

Obama’s a Chicago boy, all right. His little-noticed proposal for a National Infrastructure Reinvestment bank appears to dovetail disturbingly neatly with the recent Rohatyn proposal to privatize and collateralize public works.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19370.htm
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21873
Personally I suspect that Obama is just the latest implementation of the Shock Doctrine. The Democrats truly had an historic opportunity this cycle, but they squandered it. Disappointing.

Posted by: Tom | Nov 5 2008 21:11 utc | 21

Obama has been remarkably consistent on the War on Terror.
(Contrast with > Israel, other …)
He opposed the invasion of Iraq. Takes the terrorist threat incredibly seriously.
quotes, very representative, not extraordinary:
“….I think this election, you’re seeing the fever break, and people step back and say the consequences of a series of decisions by this administration have resulted in a fiasco in Iraq, a climate in which terrorists are actually growing in numbers around the world. We haven’t done much about homeland security, and we’ve got two hostile nations, Iran and North Korea, rapidly developing or already having developed nuclear weapons.” msnbc
“…..Six years later, the threat to America has only grown. Al Qaeda has reconstituted a new safe-haven where it trains recruits and plots attacks. Al Qaeda’s top two leaders, Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, continue to disseminate their hate-filled propaganda and inspire legions of followers. Like-minded extremists have struck in scores of countries. The war in Iraq continues to fuel terror and extremism. A Taliban insurgency rages on in Afghanistan. In too many disconnected corners of the world, hate is casting a shadow over hope……To write that new American story, we must recapture that sense of common purpose that we had on September 11, 2001.”
link
“I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges,” Obama said, “but let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.” abc
Obama supports the War on Terror 110%. I’d venture to say, even more strongly than Bush (after Mission Accomplished.) or the Cheney-Rumsfled-Neocon Cabal. All the above is unadulterated BS.

Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 5 2008 21:12 utc | 22

Obama cannot and will not hype religious divisions, he has been clear on that.
He thus is thrown back to considering actions in themselves, terrorist acts, but then he also must make attributions..some culprits must lurk somewhere!
Of course, he uses the tired swaperoo – The good/right vs. bad/stupid/wrong wars, Dems against Repubs.
Iraq is out, Pakistan and Afghanistan are in!
He has taken over some Kerry discourse, but not the “Iran appeasement” that Kerry manifested, nor the more internationalist, strategic Kerry stance, though there are touches of it here and there.
Apparently, the war on Terror is not over, because no real terrorist have been caught and the whole thing was botched by the Repubs. (Iraq) so it has to be corrected and begun again!
Obama is a traditionalist, a hyper conservative, it is his main characteristic.
All his proposals are 60/-80s like (I’m thinking education etc.) Note that he has been careful not to target KSA or other Arab countries, a common gripe following Michael Moore’s ridiculous film, itself built on Dem rumblings and complaints.
Keeping clear of that issue and other matters (too long…) leaves very few targets – it is back to e.g. Afghanistan, the powerless hell hole on earth, and killing poor Pashtun peasants…

Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 5 2008 21:52 utc | 23

This is an excellent discussion:
What next for the struggle in the Obama era?

As people on the left celebrate the end of a rotten regime, it’s also time to ask: What kind of change will an Obama administration bring? SocialistWorker.org brings together a roundtable of activists and writers on the left to discuss what new openings they see with an Obama administration in power–and what challenges still lie ahead for social justice movements.

Includes Howard Zinn and Mike Davis among others. Notice how the two activists (one labor union and one immigrants’ rights) are the most hopeful — because the street power they witnessed wasn’t woken up for just the election day, I think. The election is past, time to focus on the next steps that need to be taken.
(Found via Lenin’s Tomb)

Posted by: Alamet | Nov 5 2008 21:57 utc | 24

@biklett #14:
Good article; one of the most comprehensive.

The Obama campaign was driven in no small part by a younger generation trained to accept brands as a substitute for policies. If the 1960s had happened like this, the activists would have spent all their time trying to get Martin Luther King or Joan Baez elected president rather than pursing ancillary issues like ending segregation and the war in Vietnam….
Who sent Barack Obama remains a mystery. He has risen from an unknown state senator to president in exactly four years and that only happens when somebody sends for you.

The answer to that is clearly found in Tom #21. As I said before, the elite strategize in decades, if not longer. We perforce limit ourselves to the immediate election. About as unfair as our invasion war with Iraq, or shooting fish in a barrel, or post WWI industrial whaling.
Debs is Ded:
So I’m a wowser, huh? I lived seven years on the island Herman Wouk wrote about in “Don’t Stop the Carnival,” a book that aptly describes my state of mind. Anyway, I’ll shut up now so that the Carnival can continue.
Carry on, all. Hey waiter, swing that tray of “pigs in a blanket” around here. And bartenter, pour me another stiff one. I think I’m gonna need it.

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 5 2008 22:04 utc | 25

imperials cannot be changed. nor can it be transformed. it can be broken & it can be defeated. those are the only options – on this perhaps i am a vulgar marxist but at least it is clear
if obame is an expression of the people’s will then yes it is proper & correct to appreciate, even celebrate that. if it is however a choice by the elites in a moment of crisis (which has many, many precedents whitlam & lange in australasia, tony blair & the first greek president papendreou after the colonels) – then the situation will unravel very quickly
in late capitalism, elections even participatory elections are alas, not a defining factor. even the history of the last century has borne this out
capitalism is at the beginning of its gravest crisis – there are those who think that it can be transformed. i do not. i do not know what it can change into – but a fear of fascism, soft or otherwise would be prudent. in the near future – there will be a draft in the u s, there will be a concretisation of 1,2,3 many blackwaters as unclle $cam has instructed us often, the poor will be shifted even more to the margins – these are inevitable consequence of decaying capitalism
it is self evident that obama possesses a superior intelligence but so too did salvador allende for example & that did not hasten the end of real & promising dream. europeans whose understanding of the metisse & which has come to them through franz fanon & the novels of albert camus – cannot understand that for the united states – a deeply racist nation has until this moment understood that 1% black was all black & so the election of obama has a resonance which even a cultivated european cannot really understand or indeed has only come to terms with themselves, recenty
for my part i felt the tears of jesse jackson & the many others. they are real tears & in any case it is not for me or you to doubt them
but what can be doubted, debs, is one of the point you make generally – that the christian movement was an accident -“it just happened’ – it did not just happen & there is a mountain of books – kevin phillips american theocracy, chief amongst them – that the growth & politicisation of the evangilicals was very precisely manouvred indeed phillips was a participant to such politicisation that went from atwater through dobson to karl rove. movements do not arrive accidentally. history creates them or man forces them. that much is simple. what can appear a timely tactic can be transformed into a holy nightmare. that is what happened with the evangilical movement – the natural & unhealthy greed of that movement which became the ‘gospel of prosperity’ was completely coordinated with the political class to control people & to sideline them from political activity – no different in any real sense from the role of the church in the 19th century as ‘a pie in the sky’. the crucial question was to profit from the alientation of the poorest people & at the same tim their herding into the pens of the dominant ideology. then it went out of control as it has with christian zionism, the left behind, rapture etc which are quite quite mad & potentially very dangerous
in england the anti people policies initiated by thatcher but concretised by the buffoon blair had the same intention – that is to transform the political & civic power within the people inot a deadend, a deadend without the slightest touch of humanism. blaiur for me was & remains as brutal a man as any of the 20the century tyrannies created. he sits well with bormann & beria
it is clear that blair was always brutish & he has a brutish intellect – it does not approach the refinement that is obvious in any of obama’s writing but i fear that is whom obama will become
what i am saying simply is that while i do not underestimate any & all the machinations of the elites – the will of the people needs to be observed & then challenged

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 5 2008 22:10 utc | 26

Obama’s a Chicago boy, all right. His little-noticed proposal for a National Infrastructure Reinvestment bank appears to dovetail disturbingly neatly with the recent Rohatyn proposal to privatize and collateralize public works.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19370.htm
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21873

Since when has bond issues been a bad thing? Such methods have financed just about eveything imaginable across the globe for ages now. Collaterized bond issues is not synonamous w/fraudulent CDOs or “move the debt off the books” slight of hand accounting.

Personally I suspect that Obama is just the latest implementation of the Shock Doctrine.

Wonder why you suspect that? I sure don’t see it.

I’m shocked by whole lot of morbidity I see in comments today. Ink is not yet dry on ballots and 1/2 the commenters are making Obama sound like 2nd coming of Bush. The man hasn’t got to the starting line yet, and people comparing him to Mussolini.
It’s one thing to criticize, and do so intelligently w/correct arguments and facts. Generally, I find b’s articles insightful & true in this regard. I’m an ME/tech guy… specificity and accuracy matters in design and computer code: one mistake and whole project fails. I appreciate & value critical analysis.
Corrective/ actions… real, meaningful corrective actions… coming up w/& executing them is a whole ‘nuther matter. And a skill set much less in evidence in the world that the intelligent critic, a charactar far too pervasive on this planet IMO. Reading these comments, debs sees exceptionalism the way George Will sees collectivism… eg. everywhere that’s not “my side” of the looking glass. That many of America’s actions has indeed demonstrated this exceptionalism does not lead to or mean everyone here embodies the same. And it seems to me a large part of this election is a referendum repudiating that stuff (although I’d use entirely different language). So how does Obama get the placard stuck on his lapel?
I don’t see any evidence in Obama’s words or actions that Malooga ascribes to him. So if you grow up in Chicago, you’re “part of the machine” and that’s all there is to it? That’s just another form of bigotry AFAIC… a failure to make distinctions.
If Obama follows a path suggested in b’s highlighting of several associations/advisers (Dennis Ross) I’ll be right there w/you on all this. But there’s a lot of other people he’s surrounded himself with which are, in my view, impressive. Waaaaaayyyyyy to soon to put the new guy in people’s little baskets categorized and highlighted by all that’s wrong with the world.
I’m going to let him show me who he is and what he’s going to do. Is Obama going to walk through opportunities presented him to really do some new things, or just rearrange the lawn chairs? I don’t know yet. But I emphatically don’t know all this other barrage of evil imputed on him either. All I know is there are people trying do so.

Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 5 2008 22:30 utc | 27

Here’s a somewhat different perspective.
Bushco is commanded and selectively staffed by a certain breed of “human” which NEEDS blood, mayhem, murder. (I invite argument on this point by anyone with evidence that our wars serve any purpose other than satisfaction of that need.) With Cheney as the primo example of this type of character, this administration has abused its power to kill and maim, and incite others to do so, without even an embarrassed smirk.
Now of course the people are fed up; the PTB decided that bushco failed, perhaps only because of its inability to show human emotion or empathy as it pursued its goals. It (they the selected govt workers) are too underdeveloped to play the role of leaders; they were turned loose on the world, had a grand time fkking it up and satisfying their gut pleasure while doing so. And now they are being withdrawn – I hope.
Here comes the next team. Same goals? Right now I have trouble agreeing with Malooga that there is no difference, even though Obama is indeed repeating the mantra of exceptionalism, terrst killing, etc. The difference is that he has empathy with the populace as the Bushes do not. In any case, these ephemeral PTB come in more than one flavor; the nasty gang has taken a big hit and the good guys are giving humankind a break, a chance to reboot, cooperate, wield personal power. Remember, we are all integral parts of a single humanity.

Posted by: rapt | Nov 5 2008 22:40 utc | 28

Speaking for myself, I don’t appreciate what Malooga has written. Obama hasn’t killed anyone yet; Mother of God, he’s only been President-Elect for a few hours.
The reductivism of the argument is sickening.
It is an ideologically convenient argument to make, that rather than the groundswell of democratic action, hundreds of thousands of man-hours of activism, a once in a lifetime outpouring of protest, a whole goddam generation of Americans becoming aware and taking to the election process–rather than saying that that is valid or even a fact– Malooga asserts like a true paranoid, that the elites have simply allowed (nay arranged) for Obama to win the presidency.
Bullshit.

Posted by: Copeland | Nov 5 2008 22:42 utc | 29

In my view, the election of Obama should be seen as a change of mood, a change in the spirit of the age, or perhaps change in mindset. Evidently, all the real problems under Bush are still there, and are no easier to resolve.
I don’t believe for a moment that you should take Obama at his word over what he said before the election – Rare are the politicians who actually carry out their pre-election promises. The citations by Tangerine @22, for example, I wouldn’t for a moment expect him to carry out. On the other hand, he is not able to change fundamental US foreign policy radically. Change of mood means slow change in reality.
Most importantly, the consequence of the election is that the Bush era is now discredited. I would like to say, utterly discredited, but I am not sure of that. That feeling is likely to grow more powerful, once the truth of what happened in that period begins to leak out. There’s going to be a lot of deletion of emails, before the transition team gets in.
I think the Bush era is going to be walled off as a horrible period. Anything that happened then will be treated as automatically bad, and policy will veer towards the other extreme. Fundamental US policy objectives will not change. Obama is unlikely to abandon the empire, but one can expect a different treatment.
By the way, I wouldn’t agree with those commenters who would make Obama a puppet of his advisors.

Posted by: alex | Nov 5 2008 22:51 utc | 30

“we are told that voting for the preferrable image, who will then “represent” us; such a system whereby the fetish act of voting is intended as a substitute for actual democratic engagement (something most of us, as structurally intended, have no time for anyway)”
Malooga: your handle sounds like one of those old car horns from the twenties. Your rants are similarly comedic.
You’ve said I should be a speech writer but you’re dashing off doom-laden Kafkaesque missives to Anarchist Central with all the elan of a Socialist cadre member.
All this reminds me of an episode with my then 16 year-old son who, at the time, was in a severe funk. Seeking a way to divert him from his depression I took him to a football game. When we arrived he looked around the packed stands and said “what are all these dickheads doing here?”
136.6 million people voted this election. Some waited for hours in trying conditions. One was a hundred a six year old black woman whose father had been a slave.
They can see that change is possible. They don’t want to believe that the world body politic is irredeemably corrupt and ugly. They’ve collectively judged that Obama is not a saviour, but at least an honest man who will try to make a difference and they’re prepared to invest their trust in him so that he can represent the better side of humanity.
From experience, I offer these nuggets of advice. Don’t stare into the fire of human perversity too long, get out and do stuff that makes you happy. Play music, kiss some people you like, strive to be happy. You’re no use to anybody if you’re a disaster fetishist who can no longer see any light in humanity.
Now we have the presidency, the real work begins. Please join with those striving for change.

Posted by: waldo | Nov 5 2008 23:07 utc | 31

copeland
i think you are being unfair with malooga – what i witness in what has been written is just another form of prudence
this moment is exceptional, historically but the idealism of the people that led to his victory is yet to be tested by a parliamentary practice that is completely corrupt, a judiciary at almost evey level is filled with moral & jurisprudential bankrupts, & an executive that has been transformed through the patriot acts, homeland security, wiretapping etc into an impolite dictatorship
if the idealism of obama is informed by praxis – it will be both a difficult & given american history, a dangerous path
i don’t have any faith at all in parliamentary practice but i do have faith in the people even a people suffering under illussions
the times are so dark – that everything is going to be tested (unfairly) wery quickly indeed. the greed of corporate america is unchastened beofre its greates disaster, israel,afghanistan & iraq are in situations that within hours of becoming president elect threaten to throw us into even greater chaos
pakistan is on fire & that will become even more intense, quickly
copeland, if the democrats go just one inch, one inch towards a greater equality of opportunity of its people – then their election is justified. i hope the political will of the party follows that of the people but i have no illusions & i think that is all malooga is saying – feel, feel profoundly – but no illusions because illusions in these dark times are dangerous

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 5 2008 23:20 utc | 32

@31

They can see that change is possible. They don’t want to believe that the world body politic is irredeemably corrupt and ugly. They’ve collectively judged that Obama is not a saviour, but at least an honest man who will try to make a difference and they’re prepared to invest their trust in him so that he can represent the better side of humanity.
From experience, I offer these nuggets of advice. Don’t stare into the fire of human perversity too long, get out and do stuff that makes you happy. Play music, kiss some people you like, strive to be happy. You’re no use to anybody if you’re a disaster fetishist who can no longer see any light in humanity.
Now we have the presidency, the real work begins. Please join with those striving for change.

Very well said, Waldo.

Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 5 2008 23:21 utc | 33

& in any case the times are going to offer the people not only of america but of the greater part of the world, many, many opportunities to engage in fundamental way with community activism because the community outside of ourselves are going to be in in great, great need as in fat they have already been for some time

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 5 2008 23:26 utc | 34

copeland @29: …a whole goddam generation of Americans becoming aware and taking to the election process…
I don’t think we amerikans are aware of a goddamn thing, other than the fact our relative comfort has been threatened by eight years of treachery. certainly if we’re aware of how many suffer in order for us to live so comfortably, it’s not brought up in polite conversation.
I for one appreciate malooga and antifa’s analysis. if amerikans actually became aware of what’s going on, they wouldn’t be able to sleep at night. malooga speaks intelligently about the stark realities facing this country. i find it refreshing, mostly because i refrain from articulating similar opinions because no one wants to hear about reality; they much prefer the fantasy where a valiant savior comes riding to their rescue. now that’s bullshit.
it’s weird to me that so many people are invested in the unprovable personality traits and characteristics of Obama, like how he supposedly has empathy for us, while simultaneously able to gloss over all the WORDS that have COME FROM HIS MOUTH about the murderous policies of empire he will more than likely continue.
awareness sucks. i’m not surprised my fellow citizens avoid it like the plague.

Posted by: Lizard | Nov 5 2008 23:40 utc | 35

what is pleasing – is the already immediate implosion of the republicans
for a moment this morning watching the people celebrating outside of the whitehouse – i thought that maybe they would get into a bastille boogie & do what you have to do with mad & greedy kings

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 5 2008 23:47 utc | 36

Check out this Time cover. Notice the Mushroom Cloud in the top left hand corner. Hmmmm…probably nothing. Right?
The Next President

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 6 2008 0:08 utc | 37

When we arrived he looked around the packed stands and said “what are all these dickheads doing here?”
Your son is infinitely more profound than you could ever possibly imagine, Waldo. And you completely missed it, just as you’re missing it here. If the plebes weren’t so busy participating in an asanine, and utterly distracting spectacle, week in, and week out, year in, and year out without end, perhaps we could find a way, together, out of this structural dungeon. Bread and Circuses…and election politics is now fully part of that.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 6 2008 0:16 utc | 38

Obama — from above post:
“There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again.”
Didn’t Dumbya say almost the exact same thing?
Meet the new boss; same as the old boss.
Like moving from a hateful dour fascism into a thoughtful happy-face fascism with our new “hope is change; change is hope”
demopublican.

Posted by: James Crow | Nov 6 2008 0:24 utc | 39

Lizard, since I am one who mentioned empathy I’ll defend myself.
Like you, I am one who can’t get up any respect for politicians as a rule, but then sometimes I have to ask whether some of that cynicism is a defense against my own ignorance, or lack of power, or shortage of energy to try and make something happen. Yep even though you have a good point, one has to give credit for all that passion and energy we’ve seen in the campaign.
So last night I noticed in a big way all the happiness in the dem crowd that their guy had won, and I felt it myself, the relief and the togetherness of it all. Yes Obama was and is empathetic with the people, and that alone makes a world of difference. Give him a chance.

Posted by: rapt | Nov 6 2008 0:36 utc | 40

& i’ve been listening to cornell west tonight & what he is saying – west being one of the few scholars who can mix saussure & sly & family stone succesfully & what he is saying is no different all all than what malooga is saying – that the dream & the idea are good but that the reality has to be met on the ground not only with the poor of america but with all of the wretched of the earth

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 6 2008 0:42 utc | 41

Yep even though you have a good point, one has to give credit for all that passion and energy we’ve seen in the campaign.
Not so much credit as adequately describing what ocurred.
Bandwagon Effect

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 6 2008 0:46 utc | 42

that the dream & the idea are good but that the reality has to be met on the ground not only with the poor of america but with all of the wretched of the earth
I would rephrase that to the dream and the idea have to be reconciled with reality, and that reality is that Obama, having raised $700M from Corporate and Special Interests, is beholding to those interests, and not to the Plebes. Those interests expect a return on their investment. If they suspect it’s not forthcoming, for whatever reason, they have contingency plans, I’m certain.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 6 2008 0:52 utc | 43

jeezus, what a bloody waste of time this discussion. debs said it best. is it that difficult to just savour the moment? doing so does not mean that reality is not waiting in the next. pressure on obama – which he has well proven he can bear – and concerted action is what is needed, not griping on the effing internet.
the one solid and key thing that will come from this election – something that cannot be ignored – is the environmental impact. to me that is huge and it would never happen under a mccain administration. also, teddy kennedy has been recuperating while writing legislation re healthcare that is certain to pass. obama may not offer all the change that is needed, but his adminstration is bound to make at least an incremental difference. for that i am already grateful as much as i expect i will curse him over the next four years.

Posted by: sharon | Nov 6 2008 0:53 utc | 44

Don’t stare into the fire of human perversity too long, get out and do stuff that makes you happy. Play music, kiss some people you like, strive to be happy. You’re no use to anybody if you’re a disaster fetishist who can no longer see any light in humanity.

…years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind then that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it; and while there is a criminal element, I am of it; and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.
Eugene V. Debs
(Almost all of his quotes are applicable here, but this expresses my personal emotions best.)

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 6 2008 1:01 utc | 45

pressure on obama – which he has well proven he can bear…

Fortunately, it looks like he will have help bearing that pressure with his new chief-of-staff, Rahm Emanuel. Well, there’s change that both I, and AIPAC, can believe in. A Jewish chief-of-staff — Israel Jews should be proud. As a Jew, I almost feel like crying…
“It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don’t want and get it.”
Debs again

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 6 2008 1:10 utc | 46

look my minimum demand is for john bolton to be hung upside down like mussolini from the united nations building – by either his moustache or his toupée & that the american enterprise institute be converted into a korean self serve deli

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 6 2008 1:20 utc | 47

Now what will this mean? Obama is not planning some revolutionary turnabout in U.S. politics. He is surrounded by a lot of conventional Democratic politicians and advisors. But he will be swept into power by a wave of enthusiasm for change that the United States has not seen since Kennedy’s election. True, there is only so much he can do on the world scene, despite the fact that he will be cheered on by the entire rest of the world. The global geopolitical anarchy is far beyond the control of any American president today.
But he will be pushed to make important changes within the United States. Of course, the very election of an African-American will represent a remarkable cultural change, and cannot fail to have a great impact. His electors will expect him to launch the equivalent of another New Deal internally – health care coverage, tax restructuring, job creation, salvaging the pensions. How much he can do depends in part on the global recession, which is largely beyond his control, but even so forceful leadership can play an important role up to a point. The example of Roosevelt shows us that.
The biggest unknown is how far he will go to dismantle the quasi-police state structures that the Bush regime has instituted under the umbrella of a war against terrorism. This involves far more than appointing better judges. It means a radical revising of both legislation and executive policies and exposing the ultra-secret rules and practices to the light of day. Much can be done, as we know from what was accomplished in the 1970s, reining in the CIA and the FBI. But the situation is worse now and requires more. History may well judge Obama most of all on what he does in this domain. Up to now, he has been quite silent about this arena.
Obama has won big. His election will mark – mark, not cause – the end of the counterrevolution of the world right of the 1980s. He has rekindled hope, and created space for a more progressive world. But this space is structurally cramped by the constraints of an ever more anarchic world-system. The basic question is not whether he will transform the world and/or restore U.S. leadership in the world-system – he will do neither – but whether he will do as much as it is possible to do in allowing us all to push our way forward. Even if this is less than the world might wish he could do.

Commentary No. 235, June 15, 2008
“Obama’s Victory? How Big? How Far?”by Immanuel Wallerstein

who needs US leadership? the world? this idea has really infested the mind of the population of the US

Posted by: constant | Nov 6 2008 1:24 utc | 48

the scribblers are now speaking & telling their public that ms palin was unaware that africa was a continent, that she was unaware of who was in nafta – that she was a laughing stock amongst the repug retinue – what a sad sad commentary it all is

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 6 2008 2:46 utc | 49

Many thanks to all on the big weigh in going on here. Since I can’t think of a president elected in my adult life that I either was in love with at the time, nor have fond memories of now, I wont have any big expectations of Obama himself. The things I find exciting in this election are first and foremost is – 1)the utter repudiation of the republican party and their policies both domestic and foreign, 2) that should condemn them to the back bench for a generation, 3) the fact that it was a black man that accomplished this, 4) with the resurgence of a massive multicultural grass roots movement, 5) that can serve as a prime example of how such a movement can, through organized effort can disarm the divide and conquer republicans and empower the people to effect real change.
Thats a step in the right direction worth celebrating regardless what Obama and the democratic party does with it.
And until that happens, I will take him at his own word, and assessement on the election, that it was the American people that won.

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 6 2008 2:50 utc | 50

its really lord of the flies over there in the gop – tearing off each other’s wings a- danse macabre

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 6 2008 2:56 utc | 51

OK I deliberately dropped my post and walked out rather than get caught up in a backwards and forth debate about things that I consider largely irrelevant, but I do feel obliged to clarify a few things where I seem to have been misunderstood.
For example Malooga I did not intend to call you a wowser but I did intend to say that by ‘raining on the parade’ of the Obama victory, a win that many many people feel a close ownership of, many of those people would consider anyone who did such a thing, a wowser, party pooper, a cold intellectual or whatever. Until those masses of people do come onside there will be no change and they won’t come on side if they think the ideas for change aren’t for the betterment of ordinary people, developed by ordinary people.
People not sheeple, betcha old Gene Debs never regarded the humanity whose regard and concerns he held so dear as sheeple or plebes or any of other derogatory slangs tossed around here today. We’ve talked about this before but I still can’t come to terms with an attitude which on the one hand professes great regard for humanity and on the other looks down their noses at “the masses” as fools. This is worse than the elitism of the rulers because it is an ashamed elitism that denies it’s anti-human basis. Now I’m not accusing you of that Malooga but some others in here running the “its all a big sham” line have been, and I for one believe it shows exactly how lacking in genuine humanity and threadbare their arguments are.
The other point I wanted to clarify was the one that giap took issue with that the xtian right “didn’t just happen”.
I don’t believe for one moment it did and I’m sorry I didn’t explain myself more clearly.
My contention was that the Obama victory “just happened”. That the ‘movement’ that built up around Obama that almost religious type movement was an accident of fate in the sense that Obama’s skilful manipulations took hold because of a unique set of circumstances, not because a bunch of truly evil sickos planned the meanest trick they could pull on the unsuspecting ‘fools’.
I don’t believe that there is any evidence to suggest that the Obama victory was the result of some great conspiracy by the elites to really fuck the people over.
I think that the elites had their bases covered as they always do, that anyone capable of winning amerikan prez ’08 was a paid up member of the amerikan corporate welfare club. In this election that meant Hillary or Obama although probably all of the dems who made it past New Hampshire were in corporate amerika’s back pocket, and in some ways Obama was the one they would be least likely to trust since his track record was an unknown. Hence the summons to AIPAC the night of his nomination.
And I reiterate what I said above – this discussion is destructive, pointless and in it’s own way just as elitist as anything outta the PTB HQ.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 6 2008 3:05 utc | 52

rapt and sharon: i was able to enjoy the brief flash of wonderment and joy so many experienced last night watching history being made, but it was very brief and mostly fueled by wine.
then, this morning, i watched how the punditry must effectively attack the corpse of the moment by howling about how great we are to have done this amazing thing, and how strong our democracy is, and the moment is gone.
as for doing something and not just venting on this board because i’m a powerless cog spinning in a terminally corrupted system, i work in an emergency shelter in my community, trying to help the people i don’t recall hearing Obama mention once: the poor.
i agree with ‘giap: illusions are dangerous. that’s why i try to remind myself that no one is safe while the military powers in this world continue to exist, and that my country in particular is so economically entrenched in the business of war that there’s no chance it will suddenly go dove and stop murdering people without a fight.

Posted by: Lizard | Nov 6 2008 3:39 utc | 53

what debs said
(other than that the aipac appearance was reportedly scheduled way in advance of knowing when the nomination would be secured)
on kevin phillips & american theocracy, his latest book, bad money: reckless finance, failed politics, and the global crisis of american capitalism, was also pretty good. and a continuation of the previous volume, only this time he’s dropped the focus on the threat from the religious right after the voters rejection of the rethugs in the 2006 elections.
on the celebrations, a great time to have a few moments of fun, laughter, listening to different people & smiling. some are getting a little carried away though – some of the women folk around here shaved their pubes, proclaiming “no more bush” 🙂

Posted by: b real | Nov 6 2008 3:47 utc | 54

Re: alamet’s ref to immigration. I’m surprised immigration did not become the nativist issue de jour in this cycle.
It could be a winner for the repubs next time, should they decide to go totally native.
It could work.

Posted by: slothrop | Nov 6 2008 4:05 utc | 55

From Forbes, truly great article. Who here doesn’t want O to be the latest surreptitious Fabian free-thinker?

Posted by: slothrop | Nov 6 2008 4:14 utc | 56

There seems to be a bit of an ideological schism forming in the past few weeks here at MoA, and I will declare myself openly in the Malooga/Antifa/Tantalus camp of those disgusted by the mindless cheerleading.
Some above have criticized Malooga’s initial appraisal by pointing out that “the ink is not yet dry”, “savor the moment”, “give the Prez-elect a chance”, et cetera. That argument works equally well turned around. Obama is NOT entirely an unknown quantity at the moment, and his meteoric rise could only have come with assistance from monied interests. Those interests do not and never have served the welfare of the governed. There is ample reason to distrust.
Of course I hope that the new administration takes a more compassionate path than the former and I would take great pleasure in having my pessimism proven to be misplaced. However, I feel the world can ill afford to “give chances” without expressing our displeasure at a continuation of the present status quo. Let the message be heard all around… expensive wars and mayhem, socialism for corporations at the expense of genuine human beings, cronyism and incompetence… these are what we DO NOT WANT. The Democrat majority led by Pelosi in the US Congress played to our desires only to ignore them once they had entrenched themselves. I see no reason to write more blank checks at this point. If Obama pursues a certain course, I will support him. If he does not, as I suspect he won’t, I will not support him… and no amount of benefit-of-the-doubt cheerleading will change that equation.
I’m not interested in pretty photo-ops and tear-jerking soliliquies. Develop a genuinely progressive agenda, produce results, or join your predecessors on the trash heap of false-hope spewing rhetoricians.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 6 2008 4:23 utc | 57

some of the women folk around here shaved their pubes, proclaiming “no more bush” 🙂
Pics or It didn’t happen…lol ;-p

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 6 2008 4:23 utc | 58

David Sirota

David Sirota (1:55 pm EST): Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill (D) delivered Democrats’ election-day message this morning on Fox News. Officially speaking for the Obama campaign, McCaskill told Fox that Barack Obama’s first order of business as president is to appease Republicans and start filling his cabinet with them .
I’m not making this up. Here’s the key exchange:
FOX: If [Obama] wins tonight, what do you expect to happen Wednesday, Thursday, Friday from a President-elect Obama?
MCCASKILL: He will surprise America how quickly he will try to reach out to the millions of people who are voting for John McCain today — and the milions of people who have questions about his leadership. He’ll want to reassure them, and he’ll want to find Republicans to work with him in his cabinet.
FOX: You don’t predict it’s going to be “we have a mandate, we’re going to govern from the left”? You think it’s going to be more of a bipartisan let’s sort of heal and bring everbody together?
MCCASKILL: He will pleasantly surprise everyone who votes for John McCain today.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 6 2008 4:30 utc | 59

Pelosi: “A new president must govern from the middle.”
Wonder which camp I’m in…?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 6 2008 4:43 utc | 60

A friend of mine is working with an international scientist who is close to proving that all cancers are caused by viruses, and expects a series of vaccines to follow. I’ve always believed cervical and prostrate cancers were viral, and they’ve admitted at least one is, cervical, but they’ll never admit prostate is.
It wouldn’t be good for, ummm, business, if you know what I mean. So,…to Obama.
I’ve known a lot of people from all different walks of life, some racially blind,
some racially cautious as you have to be at street level, but some pugna-racist.
Like the international biochemist, I’m convinced overt racism (hate to color) is
a mental illness, and I think the proof of that is how it pushes out sideways in situations like the ’08 election, where that hate can’t be overtly expressed, and appears instead as a Reductivist Epistle of Malooga, for example.
I’m not a psychologist, but I believe the term is transference, a general malaise,
bordering on psychosis, transferred from the inner mental illness of racism, not the ‘oh, you can’t go out with him, he’s ____”, but the “better dead than ____”, that the Israeli security force demonstrates, for example.
Or the US military, (as b well knows):
[Repost from US military internal spam]
A Day That Will Live in Infamy
Tuesday, 4 November 2008, is a date which will live in infamy. While most presidential elections are followed with calls for unity by both candidates, Barack Obama issued no such call in his speech last night, with the possible exception of his observation, “I may not have won your vote tonight, but … I will be your president, too.”
Of course, none was expected — liberals have elected a Socialist with deep ties to cultural and ethnocentric radicalism, and his executive and legislative agenda poses a greater threat to American liberty (sic) than that of any president in the history of our great republic.
Obama has twice taken an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic” and to “bear true faith and allegiance to the same.” He has never honored that oath, and, based on his policy proposals and objectives, he has no intention to honor it after again reciting that oath on 20 January 2009. Obama seeks to, in his own words, “break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution.”
Today, at least 55,805,197 Americans are concerned for the future of our nation’s great tradition of liberty. Some 63,007,791 Americans have been lulled, under the aegis of “hope and change,” into a state of what is best described as “cult worship” and all its attendant deception.
One of our editors, a Marine now working in the private sector, summed up our circumstances with this situation report. It aptly captured the sentiments around our office: “It’s been tough, fellow Patriots; tough to stomach the idea that more than half of my fellow citizens who vote, have booted a genuine American hero to the curb for a rudderless charlatan. What a sad indictment on our citizenry that some are so eager to overlook his myriad flaws — his radical roots, his extreme liberalism, his utter lack of experience or achievement. Barack Obama is the antithesis of King’s dream: He’s a man judged by the color of his skin rather than the content of his character. If it’s God’s will that Barack Obama is our next president, then so be it. We Patriots will pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and wade back to the war front, intent on liberty or death.
This battle is lost, but the war is not. Let’s roll.

Bears a shocking resemblance to b’s and Malooga’s brooding think-speak, desu ney?

Posted by: Cha Gall | Nov 6 2008 4:58 utc | 61

Liberty Fraternity Equality. Not so easy to believe.
I agree with Malooga that Rahm Emmanuel’s place in an Obama Cabinet is evidence that perhaps Obama has ominous intentions.
But it may also mean that he is smart as Lincoln was and is keeping his enemies close. I do not know.
What I do know is that I have long been trying to understand why ANYONE anywhere supports democracy. Real democracy, rule by the people. It is an idea believed in by few. And that is because for almost all of us it is hard to believe that, for example, even the “jerk” on the road who cut you off is deserving of sovereign power and democratic authority. Mostly, we don’t believe it.
So, I am not looking for a mere officer or executive. When I admire Obama going to the Capitol of the old Confederacy to slap down a Neo-Confederate Sarah Palin fascist, I am admiring a person who is alive to the moment. He won’t save us, but he made me laugh for pleasure at that moment.
Because I grew up in a racially tense Kentucky, and since I began learning Japanese, there have been two moments I longed to live to see. One happened in 1989, and the other will, I pray, happen next year.
The first vision was the Chinese man who stood in front of a tank at Tiananmen Square, facing it down despite the sheer overwhelming growl and destruction of it. This image crystallized the sheer admirable love and bravery of a man who otherwise might seem a nerdy nebbish in a white dress shirt. He was a man! I couldn’t help but love him. And that was a democratic moment because it made me and many others I know actually believe that democracy made sense, that this man, and maybe just maybe anyone who looked like him was unquestionably deserving of that democratic sovereignty. That man is my brother. And with that, I was able to act like a democrat in my mind, and in my sentiments.
The next vision should come next year when I see Barack Obama’s family looking marvellous in the White House or some place where they appear as Our First Family. And again I will be transformed, because I will have seen that this man, woman, and these children are not only my brothers and sisters, but representatives of me and my family. I don’t know what picture will strike me this way, but I know it will fill in another hole in the ways I don’t really believe a democracy could possibly work.
When I was 10 years old, I didn’t know identify with any heroes that were Black or Asian. As I got older I looked up to some, but didn’t identify with them. Then in 1989 I got half way. This year and next I am leaving behind a little more ignorance and embracing all my brothers and sisters. It’s not easy to believe that the people deserve the power. But next year I do expect him and his wife to do things that absolutely demand admiration. And if I am not able to admire them, many in this starved nation will. And those who do will become a little more humane.
So, I’m happy for this win by Obama, not because he will lead us somewhere, but because so many more of us will actually know where we want to go. …to each other.
If you need to cry, cry. But I have good reason to smile.

Posted by: citizen | Nov 6 2008 5:42 utc | 62

Uncle @10: that is exactly what is being parroted on the 24hr news channels, that Obama needs to move toward the middle because the senate didn’t reach that magical number, 60, which makes me wonder how much more toward the center a center/barely-left politician has to go before he’s privatizing social security and preemptively invading venezuela.

Posted by: Lizard | Nov 6 2008 5:55 utc | 63

Anna Missed,
It is this obsessive, ultimately paralysing preoccupation…which you exhibit above [“the utter repudiation of the republican party and their policies, both domestic and foreign, that should condemn them to the back bench for a generation”]… with defeat of the (domestic) ‘other’ vis-à-vis the artificial, highly, highly regulated (by the elite) ‘left’-‘right’ paradigm, which you have been instructed to accept as the final demarcation of ‘legitimate’ politics, ever since you were a young child, which compounds and distracts from the actual real world of policy (opposed to rhetoric) – analysed scientifically, according to verifiable conduct, in combination with verifiable statistics relating to such conduct, in relation to the various areas of policy of course.
Please, refrain from being swept up in the whirlwind of propaganda which you are fed, like you’re a hapless duck with a food-tube shoved down its throat on a fois-gras farm. Instead, try to engage with reality, not rhetoric. Without an informed, intelligent public, capable of making this distinction, separating their arbitrary and unintelligent (read: unjustified) emotions, democracy is just a word, just rhetoric.
To your points, 1 & 2: Far from ‘condemning them {R’s} to the backbench for a generation’, Obama will choose an assortment of Republicans to be included in his government.
washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/06/obama-likely-to-name-republican-to-cabinet
You had great independents like R.Nader and C.Mickinney to vote for – blame yourself.

Posted by: Al | Nov 6 2008 14:34 utc | 64

Manufacturing Consent…

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 6 2008 14:36 utc | 65

Yes, Debs, it’s a sham. I say Plebes because that’s how the Plutocracy perceives us. This kneejerk response to Obama is precisely what was intended. The Plebes of Rome were equally predictable and could be counted on to respond accordingly to the Bread and Circuses. If we don’t want ot be Plebes, then let’s not be Plebes. We can start by cutting out the silly celebrating and gloating. Then we can shut the god-damned televisions off, eschew organized sports and corporate marketed entertainment, and start to really talk, educate, and do something about this predicament rather than put our trust in a new president every 8 years, which is now the norm.
And, please, @11, that is so completely out of line. This is the new line of defense for Obama. Anyone critical of him is by default a racist. Wow, the Plutocracy couldn’t have drawn it up any better. Let me tell you what you set yourself up for by defining Obama’s presidency as the first African-American President. If he were to fail miserably, which I believe could very well be the case, it will set race relations in this country back 100 years.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 6 2008 14:44 utc | 66

Please explain why these “elections” are still necessary?
One reason not mentioned is that the US’ international status and clout is built in part on the myth of ‘a great democracy’ – faux ideology intertwined with foreign policy, etc.
To maintain the picture, the presentation, it is necessary to schedule public events that not only support the myth, or are coherent with it, but that can be presented as exemplary. For global consumption, it is only once every four years – costs a bomb though. The last two elections were dismal failures on that score, and that was another, and important, reason for ‘change’. On this level, the Obama victory has been a smashing success. The US has prooooved that a ‘true’ democracy can overcome racism; that democracies do permit anyone to rise to the ultimate pinnacle; that the system encourages innovation, flexibility, and so on. Note how European leaders /commentators / pundits have all welcomed the Obama win, some in this direction.
Here are some BIG (not for dial up) and very good, very moving, pictures of Obama. When I see his sweet daughters I think of children in Iraq, I can’t help it. bostoncom
And while I’m up, let’s not forget that like almost all US pols, Obama belongs to the Authoritarian Right, according to rough measures like those of political compass: link

Posted by: Tangerine | Nov 6 2008 14:52 utc | 67

The Wall Street Journal today announces that the Dems, with the implicit approval of Obama, are going to bail out the auto makers with an additonal $25 Billion in loans….but now with no restrictions as to how the money will be spent, i.e. retooling factories to build economical, environmentally friendly vehicles. Instead, the loans will be an open credit line with the hope and trust that the auto makers will use the money wisely.
Breach of contract #1. Can someone keep a document listing all of the breaches? It’s going to be quite lengthy.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 6 2008 14:52 utc | 68

Democrats Prepared to Act Fast on Car Aid, Regulation

Democratic leaders are considering doubling the low-cost loans to be offered to ailing auto makers to $50 billion as part of a second economic-stimulus package, Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D., Mich.) said in an interview Wednesday. A second package of $25 billion in loans would be on top of the $25 billion of credits signed into law this fall and earmarked to help companies retool plants to produce new, fuel-efficient vehicles.
……..
Under the proposal the Democratic leaders are studying, the new loans would have few requirements attached to them, Sen. Stabenow said. “It would be my hope that this would be done similar to other areas in the financial-recovery package, where it’s more of an open line of credit to be able to help them through this financial crisis,” she said.

Open checkbook for the Fat Cats.

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 6 2008 15:08 utc | 69

Here’s a link to a Counterpunch article about Rahm Emanuel. I can’t believe this guy’s a Congressman, or holds such sway in Government, when you consider that he went to Israel for several years to fight in the Israeli army. This guy shouldn’t be any where near the government, let alone chosen to be Obama’s Chief of Staff. Change!! My ass.
The Book of Rahm

A New Strategy to Win the War on Terror
(“War on Terror,” as George Soros points out, is a false metaphor used by those who would drag us into military adventures not in our interest or that of humanity.)
“We need to use all the roots of American power to make our country safe. (He begins by playing on fear.) America must lead the world’s fight against the spread of evil and totalitarianism, but we must stop trying to win that battle on our own. (Messianic imperialism.) We should reform and strengthen multilateral institutions for the twenty-first century, not walk away from them. We need to fortify the military’s “thin green line” around the world by adding to the U.S. Special Forces and the Marines, and by expanding the U.S. army by 100,000 more troops. (An even bigger military for the world’s most powerful armed forces, a very militaristic view of the way to handle the conflicts among nations. What uses does Emanuel have in mind for those troops?) We should give our troops a new GI Bill to come home to. (More material incentives to induce the financially strapped to sign up as cannon fodder.) Finally we must protect our homeland and civil liberties by creating a new domestic counterterrorism force like Britain’s MI5. (A new domestic spying operation is an obvious threat to our civil liberties; MI5 holds secret files on one in 160 adults in Britain along with files on 53,000 organizations.)

Posted by: Obamageddon | Nov 6 2008 15:21 utc | 70

o
that is precisely what i & others will do – regard the breaches, watch the practice but i am not in the business of demonising a man. obame possesses a superior intelligence, he seems on the surface to be informe by a common decency that has been absent from american political life for a long, long time. he also seems to be qualitatively different from the machine men of the democrat party
the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. & it’s not like we will have to wait a long time for this – the urgency of our times will expose any politician to the people by their real intentions & their real interests
the people are not completely stupid & the situation the world is in requires the masses to engage or they will lose not only themselves but for all of a – constructive hope
& i want us to be careful that our anti zionism does not slide into anti-semitism – as someone once sd i might not like jews but i dislike anti-semitism even more & even amongst the zionist it is important to assess who are the real likudnuks- who are the real war party of israel because at some level – israel like south africa must realise their is only a political peace – the other alternative is endless war

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 6 2008 15:24 utc | 71

tangerine wrote in #17 – One reason not mentioned is that the US’ international status and clout is built in part on the myth of ‘a great democracy’ – faux ideology intertwined with foreign policy, etc.
To maintain the picture, the presentation, it is necessary to schedule public events that not only support the myth, or are coherent with it, but that can be presented as exemplary.

here’s one example, from nairobi’s east african standard

The US, UK and German envoys have said the victory of Barack Obama signalled an era for entrenching reforms.
US ambassador Michael Ranneberger announced that the Obama administration would stand by Kenya to ensure democratic values are respected.

“The partnership between Kenya and the US is about democratic values like inclusion, openness, transparency and accepting diversity,” Ranneberger said.
“Campaigns were characterised by open and frank discussions based on issues. Democracy can only be strengthened if it reflects diversity and inclusion.”
Ranneberger recounted how the US constitution and the rule of the law prevailed and rights of all voters were respected.

Posted by: b real | Nov 6 2008 15:29 utc | 72

Change never came from an election without social movements, just as love never came from a hand that happened to be your own.
Malooga

*_memorable_*

Posted by: rudolf | Nov 6 2008 16:01 utc | 73

quoting stan goff –

Reaching those who were mobilized by this election is not accomplished by showing them condescension or contempt. The amorphous hope that fueled this election campaign can be clarified, but only if we engage people in a respectful conversation that doesn’t begin with our own assumption that we can’t learn anything from those “less evolved” others.

nonwhites are celebrating for reasons that most “white” critics don’t even comprehend. ignore that at the risk of obsolescence/isolation

Posted by: b real | Nov 6 2008 16:03 utc | 74

The empire continually lusts for more blood. It’s not like the Kenyans haven’t been impovershed enough.
“We must produce more blood from the Structural Adjustment human juicerator!”
***
@Tangerine-
Well put. And thanks and recognition for your many contributions over the years which are often overlooked.
Additionally, elections take up over 50% of a quadrennial period, thus putting any activism on hold, because we need to support Gore Kerry Pelosi Reid Obama. Whomever.
According to the Waldos of the World (hmm… catchy marketing phrase.), we cannot criticize Obama until after his first hundred, or so, days. After which, we have perhaps two hundred days during which we may criticize, followed by the next round of elections. This round is bigger and so the criticism window must shrink to a mere hundred days. Such is dissent marginalized….
***
Someone should do a google search on the the phrases, “Obama” and “seems to be.” I think that says it all about successful marketing and positioning leading to near-universal projection upon the product.
Allright, I couldn’t resist, and just did it. 22,100,000 hits. Not bad. Not bad.
Oooooooooohhhhhhhh Obama, you are the matrix for all of our hopes and aspirations. Ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 6 2008 16:09 utc | 75

The empire continually lusts for more blood. It’s not like the Kenyans haven’t been impovershed enough.
“We must produce more blood from the Structural Adjustment human juicerator!”

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 6 2008 16:59 utc | 76

@Tangerine-
Well put. And thanks and recognition for your many contributions over the years which are often overlooked.
Additionally, elections take up over 50% of a quadrennial period, thus putting any activism on hold, because we need to support Gore Kerry Pelosi Reid Obama. Whomever.
According to the Waldos of the World (hmm… catchy marketing phrase.), we cannot criticize Obama until after his first hundred, or so, days. After which, we have perhaps two hundred days during which we may criticize, followed by the next round of elections. This round is bigger and so the criticism window must shrink to a mere hundred days. Such is dissent marginalized….

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 6 2008 16:59 utc | 77

Someone should do a google search on the the phrases, “Obama” and “seems to be.” I think that says it all about successful marketing and positioning leading to near-universal projection upon the product.
Allright, I couldn’t resist, and just did it. 22,100,000 hits. Not bad. Not bad.
Oooooooooohhhhhhhh Obama, you are the matrix for all of our hopes and aspirations. Ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Previous 3 Malooga vs. Typepad (It was a battle)
[released from spamtrap – b.]

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 6 2008 17:01 utc | 78

Someone should do a google search on the the phrases, “Obama” and “seems to be.” I think that says it all about successful marketing and positioning leading to near-universal projection upon the product.
Allright, I couldn’t resist, and just did it. 22,100,000 hits. Not bad. Not bad.
Oooooooooohhhhhhhh Obama, you are the matrix for all of our hopes and aspirations. Ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Malooga vs. Typepad (all the above)

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 6 2008 17:02 utc | 79

Finally figured out that Typepad wouldn’t take the link to my Google search. Hmmm….

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 6 2008 17:04 utc | 80

Maybe we should re-name this thread Welcome To the Joys of Counterrevolutionary Thought, or Gladio Redux. Sorry Al, but I’m taking Obama at his word, as he said in Chicago “the victory is yours, the victory is yours” and will follow the peoples will that manifested this win. And if he goes all Colin or Condi on what he’s initiated, he’ll end up just like them, but the desire will continue on. And I intend to go with it.

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 6 2008 20:23 utc | 81

see… obama’s election is already making some people’s lives & community better 😉
daily nation (nairobi): Sleepy Kogelo village transformed overnight

The Kogelo village and the Obama family have undergone a complete metamorphosis, literally.
The change was evident immediately after the man whose roots are in the village became the leader of the world’s most powerful nation, the United States of America.

The world spotlight is firmly on the hitherto sleepy village because President-elect Obama’s late father, Mr Barack Obama Snr, was born here.
According to Luo customs, a child belongs to the father, hence the strong bonds of kinship to the American president-elect in Western Kenya.
A second bull and several goats and sheep were slaughtered on Thursday as celebrations entered the third night.

And one of Prime Minister Raila Odinga aides, Mr Samuel Aduol delivered five bulls from his boss with a congratulatory message that he (the PM) would be visiting soon.
Busloads of students and curious visitors from as far as Tanzania and Uganda drove to the village, with some bearing gifts for the family.
American nationals in Kenya also thronged the home in what they described as an encounter with the roots of the man who now holds the world’s destiny in his hands. [wtf??!!]
Although the Obama family said on Thursday that they would not like to be treated differently, the signs point to the fact that they are no longer simple villagers.
“We can no longer account for who is who in the home — people danced the night away and today’s holiday gave many an opportunity to come to the home,” said [Obama’s brother and family spokesperson] Mr Abong’o.
Before Wednesday, the road leading to the homestead was a bumpy path that was a driver’s nightmare whenever it rained. But by Thursday, it had miraculously been cleared and levelled.
Kenya Power and Lighting Company was expected to have connected electricity by Thursday night. This is a complete contrast to the situation when Mr Obama visited three years ago.
Then, Mama Sarah lived in a semi-permanent house which has since been rebuilt and is sparkling from a fresh coat of paint.
The compound, which was surrounded with indigenous shrubs, has since been fenced and boasts a police post manned 24 hours a day by eight officers.
The police were deployed to the home after thieves tried to steal the family’s solar panel.

The family draws water from a well at the corner of the homestead but in the new scheme of things, this is likely to be a thing of the past.

Posted by: b real | Nov 7 2008 3:23 utc | 82

A video with/for waldo

Posted by: b | Nov 7 2008 4:00 utc | 83

RAHM, RAHM–SICK, BOOM, BOMB
business as usual, beautiful–bountiful allowances.
beings in different stratospheres, some anti-matter
playing toy numbers–percentages over body counts.
welcoming a new puppy; punditry wonders: breed?
and us? yes, we’re ready for the switch to digital feed.
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O, and damn funny video, b. i very much needed the laugh that provided. thank you.

Posted by: Lizard | Nov 7 2008 7:29 utc | 84

Here’s a good sign that after the election people haven’t just sat down, popped a beer, and fell asleep in front of the tube.

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 7 2008 8:30 utc | 85

And there is this from (my son) working in DC for O:
During his presidency, Obama has promised to expand AmeriCorps from 75,000 slots today to 250,000. He will establish a Classroom Corps to help teachers and students, with a priority placed on underserved schools; a Health Corps to improve public health outreach; a Clean Energy Corps to conduct weatherization and renewable energy projects; a Veterans Corps to assist veterans at hospitals, nursing homes and homeless shelters; and a Homeland Security Corps to help communities plan, prepare for and respond to emergencies. (From Obama’s website)
Its become my suspicion that a key part of Obama’s policy agenda will be founded on his ability to attract and harness the energy of devote volunteers and to generate significantly more participation in public service work.
at am

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 7 2008 9:11 utc | 86

“I’m taking [enter politicians name] at his word”
This is truly, truly, laughable.
Nobody of intelligence would ever take seriously a person who espouses such a statement. I afforded you too much credit, don’t worry about engaging in intelligent discussion with me, clearly that cannot happen.

Posted by: Al | Nov 7 2008 11:16 utc | 87

Anna, you are linking to anti-war websites when Obama has stated, repeatedly, that he will continue the wars. Wake up. Oh my god.

Posted by: Al | Nov 7 2008 11:19 utc | 88

@86
a Homeland Security Corps? Hmmm…… Hitler would be proud. Will they snitch on others — on a volunteer basis, of course.
Will all of these volunteer corpses be counted as employed or unemployed in the employment statistics as the economy tanks? Why can’t we afford to pay them, as we do the banksters?
How many small businesses will be lose work or close as a result of these corpses? Or will they be doing the work of the Halliburtons of this world?
A corpse is a funny thing for someone who pays so much lip service to free enterprise and free markets. After a while, a corpse don’t smell right.
Will they be propping up privatised schools and nursing homes with public monies? Breaking teacher’s unions? Or the newly growing largely minimum wage SEIU?
Strange that we have trillions for big business, but only volunteerism for schools and healthcare.
This sounds even worse, more ominous, than Bush to me, but I expected that. Powell and Condi were largely powless figures in the Bush regime. Obama has the power to be far, far worse.
The devil is, as always, in the details.
@Al 87:
Clearly, intelligent discussion is impossible for many at this point. After all, this is a black man who rose from State Senator to President in four years soley on merit — something the Democratic Party is well know for. So we have no need to think that servants of Empire, corporation, finance and war get ahead any faster in politics.
As usual, I recommend Chris Floyd for those who are overcome that their team now has the ball: WIBDI: A Prism for the New Paradigm

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 7 2008 12:05 utc | 89

A Homeland Security Corps…? Fueled by harnessing the power of volunteers…? Wow. He’s really distinguishing himself from his predecessor there.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 7 2008 14:31 utc | 90

#88,”Anna, you are linking to anti-war websites when Obama has stated, repeatedly, that he will continue the wars. Wake up. Oh my god.”
Apparently, the Armed Forces may think otherwise. If THIS is the latest recruiting incentive:
……………………………..
24 Month Mobilization Deferment. A President Elect who says he’ll get us out of Iraq. What are you waiting for? Stop taking your chance’s [sic] in the IRR and be safe from deployment for 2 years. By that time our new President will have gotten us out of these other countries.

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 8 2008 4:43 utc | 91

Seriously, are we debating the virtue of Obama? Do any of you expect to be rescued or damned by a man? I thought we had some historians here.
Obama won’t rescue us, but he is at the very least acting like a democrat (no, the kind that believes that sovereignty lies in the people). And as long as we believed in Rambo and John Wayne, he’s not going to sound anti-war. Consider this perspective:

President-elect Obama has said, explicitly, that he does not support same-sex marriage. He has also made it abundantly clear that he wouldn’t cross the street to oppose same-sex marriage protection laws, but still: he explicitly withheld support from full civil rights and our job is to speak out against that, to put pressure on him to amend that position. Obama is an Alinskyan organizer, and while Alinsky was one of the most effective radicals in American history, he was a consummate pragmatist. Alinsky said famously that an organizer should never take his or her base out of their comfort zone, but should strive to keep the opposition forever outside of theirs. The job we just hired Obama to perform essentially makes the entire country both his base and his opposition, so he is in a bit of a dilemma. Unless his governing strategy is markedly different from his campaign strategy, which many expect is unlikely, he’s going to approach the task of administration as a community organizer would, persuading the entire country to support his programs.
This, of course, necessarily means he will govern as a centrist. He’d do so even if he was a radical leftist, which despite the black helicopter fantasies of the right he seems not to be. The center is significantly to the left of the previous administration, so his policies may seem fairly progressive by comparison, at least for a time: taking climate change seriously, figuring out ways to withdraw from Iraq, repairing bridges both in the Realpolitikal metaphoric sense and in the literal public works sense. After eight years of Bush, sweeping the streets on a regular schedule will seem progressive.
But he’s going to govern from the center, because his goal isn’t – as I understand it stated – to enact change by fiat that can be rescinded by President Jonah Goldberg in 2016, but to build support across political lines, across state lines, for change that will not be so easily redacted by a single cadre of politicians.

Or, in other words, it’s not so flipping simple.

Posted by: citizen | Nov 8 2008 6:01 utc | 92

Malooga’s link @89 reminded me of a social experiment done a long time ago, and I’ve been looking for an abstract to link to with no success.
The gist of the experiment was this: The conductors excerpted a copy from a famous American founding document (I believe it was the Declaration of Independence) and showed it to groups of people who were then asked if the argument presented was “good” or “bad”. There were three groups of respondents. The first group was told that the author was (correctly) Thomas Jefferson. They overwhelmingly called it a “good” argument. The second group was told (erroneously) that the author was Adolf Hitler. They overwhelmingly decided it was a “bad” argument. The third group was given the same text with no attribution and about half thought it was “good” and half thought it was “bad”.
It struck me that the similarity between the Freepers approach to fellating their team captain these past eight years seemed identical to the waldo virus we’re seeing now, and I couldn’t help but wonder if this isn’t the same social experiment at play. The merits of a policy appear to be inconsequential compared to the perception of the team affiliation from which that policy originated. The supportive arguments for both dedicated Republicans and dedicated Democrats are identical in their tortured rationales, which is no coincidence since the foreign and domestic policies of the Republicans and Democrats in question are also practically identical.
Of course, just to muddy the waters, there is an altogether third type of respondent here who might feign symptoms of the waldo virus, but are really doing so just for the sheer hell of it.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 8 2008 6:48 utc | 93

here’s another example to go w/ #72, on how the u.s. election is then presented, or used, as an exemplary model
reuters: ANALYSIS-How can Obama manage Africa’s euphoria?

Another legacy of history’s most closely watched ballot might just be the dignity shown by McCain in defeat.
The elation at Obama’s win was felt most strongly by Kenyans, who saw their nation torn apart by post-election tribal violence at the start of this year. Many other African polls have also been marred by bloodshed.
“It is particularly instructive to us in this country … that John McCain gracefully conceded defeat but remained ever the steadfast statesman, as any leader anywhere worth his name should,” said Kenya’s Party of National Unity, which formed a unity government with the opposition to end the turmoil.

pretty brazen spin there, considering that it was the PNU which openly stole that presidential election, w/ the support/protection of u.s. officials, and didn’t let the winner take office

Kenya’s Daily Nation asked why, if the bloodshed seen in Kenya was unthinkable in the United States despite such a hard-fought, heated and lengthy election campaign, was it so common on the world’s poorest continent?
“The answer could simply be that we are incapable of harbouring any tolerance for each other’s points of view,” it said. “True democracy requires tolerance and the ability to give in with grace when we lose a political contest.”

no, the simple answer is that the daily nation is kikyu owned & a PNU mouthpiece

Posted by: b real | Nov 8 2008 6:52 utc | 94

I couldn’t help but wonder if this isn’t the same social experiment at play.
Indeed Monolycus, the inverse if nothing else. However I suspect, they’ve honed their skills in a much more mailable lab. Such as Falluja. And now plan on cross laying the experiment here in the Total Institution known as, USA! USA! USA! Or as brother r’giap says, the “American gulag”.
answers.com, in it it describes Total institutions as social micro-cosmos dictated by hegemony and clear hierarchy. Total institutions include some boarding schools, concentration camps, prisons, mental institutions and boot camps. But wait, that is only the beginning, the ones you can see.
I suggest we look at this transmogrification as if it were a continuum, if we take it a logical step further, you can see the continuing Panopticon like institutions and systems you can’t normally see through this lense. Answers.com points out that, “..sociologists [anthropologist’s and other scientists] have also recently concurred that] tourist venues such as cruise ships and theme parks are acquiring many of the characteristics of total institutions. Tourists may not be aware that they are being controlled, even constrained, but the environment has been designed to subtly manipulate the behavior of patrons.”
What about shopping malls , college campuses, gated communities, retirement communities, POST OFFICES, city/State government e.g. the DMV etc, of the Repressive State Apparatus (RSA).
I have stated before, it seems as if we are covertly and methodically being herded into a mental plantation, by a system that has gladly inherited the worst of both the Soviet and Nazi Germany type authoritarian means of control and governship.
A “quasi-Soviet/facist/totalitarian system.” A “Kafkaesque” bureaucratic i.e. State induced non- static labyrinth. Whose rules change only for the elite and not the governed.
Tones of Article 58,? the Russian SFSR Penal Code?
Debs, recently mentioned, and many MOA’s remember my post on the ‘ratchet effect’*, well, welcome back to the return to elite status quo . Only more insidious, because it has a smile on it’s face, and every bodies in love. And that much further along the paw. In other words, to the right.
I still have this nagging need for examination of Obama’s superfast rise to power. Does it not bother anyone else?
*I was going to repost the ‘ratchet effect’ post, but just found out that the loverly typepad mishap has now effected our archives. Good luck on trying to use em with the fifty comment limit retro fit.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 8 2008 9:52 utc | 95

I couldn’t help but wonder if this isn’t the same social experiment at play.
Indeed Monolycus, the inverse if nothing else. However I suspect, they’ve honed their skills in a much more mailable lab. Such as Falluja. And now plan on cross laying the experiment here in the Total Institution known as, USA! USA! USA! Or as brother r’giap says, the “American gulag”.
answers.com, in it it describes Total institutions as social micro-cosmos dictated by hegemony and clear hierarchy. Total institutions include some boarding schools, concentration camps, prisons, mental institutions and boot camps. But wait, that is only the beginning, the ones you can see.
I suggest we look at this transmogrification as if it were a continuum, if we take it a logical step further, you can see the continuing Panopticon like institutions and systems you can’t normally see through this lense. Answers.com points out that, “..sociologists [anthropologist’s and other scientists] have also recently concurred that] tourist venues such as cruise ships and theme parks are acquiring many of the characteristics of total institutions. Tourists may not be aware that they are being controlled, even constrained, but the environment has been designed to subtly manipulate the behavior of patrons.”
What about shopping malls , college campuses, gated communities, retirement communities, POST OFFICES, city/State government e.g. the DMV etc, of the Repressive State Apparatus (RSA).
I have stated before, it seems as if we are covertly and methodically being herded into a mental plantation, by a system that has gladly inherited the worst of both the Soviet and Nazi Germany type authoritarian means of control and governship.
A “quasi-Soviet/facist/totalitarian system.” A “Kafkaesque” bureaucratic i.e. State induced non- static labyrinth. Whose rules change only for the elite and not the governed.
Tones of Article 58,? the Russian SFSR Penal Code? (look it up as typepad wont let me post it)
Debs, recently mentioned, and many MOA’s remember my post on the ‘ratchet effect’*, well, welcome back to the return to elite status quo . Only more insidious, because it has a smile on it’s face, and every bodies in love. And that much further along the paw. In other words, to the right.
I still have this nagging need for examination of Obama’s superfast rise to power. Does it not bother anyone else?
*I was going to repost the ‘ratchet effect’ post, but just found out that the loverly typepad mishap has now effected our archives. Good luck on trying to use em with the fifty comment limit retro fit.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 8 2008 9:58 utc | 96

that she was a laughing stock amongst the repug retinue

Does this refer to the retinue who admired Dubya’s trompe l’oeil codpiece? The ones who manufactured and maintained the fiction of the leader-who-leads for eight years? The ontomachs – the mid-level makers of reality?
I don’t know a thing about Palin, but the blood-lusty agitprop is familiar – and distinctive. Palin has been declared Fair Game.

Posted by: rjj | Nov 8 2008 11:30 utc | 97

Uncle @95, the most insidious totalizing institution MedPharmaCorps and it’s administration of the soma from birth to death.

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 8 2008 11:48 utc | 98

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Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 8 2008 11:48 utc | 99

Original link to “Ratchet Effect” post
Actual link to “Ratchet Effect” post

The American political system, since at least 1968, has been operating like a ratchet, and both parties — Republicans and Democrats — play crucial, mutually reinforcing roles in its operation.
The electoral ratchet permits movement only in the rightward direction. The Republican role is fairly clear; the Republicans apply the torque that rotates the thing rightward.
The Democrats’ role is a little less obvious. The Democrats are the pawl. They don’t resist the rightward movement — they let it happen — but whenever the rightward force slackens momentarily, for whatever reason, the Democrats click into place and keep the machine from rotating back to the left.
Here’s how it works. In every election year, the Democrats come and tell us that the country has moved to the right, and so the Democratic Party has to move right too in the name of realism and electability. Gotta keep these right-wing madmen out of the White House, no matter what it takes.
(Actually, they don’t say they’re going to move to the right; they say they’re going to move to the center. But of course it amounts to the same thing, if you’re supposed to be left of center. It’s the same direction of movement.)
So now the Democrats have moved to the “center.” But of course this has the effect of shifting the “center” farther to the right.
Now, as a consequence, the Republicans suddenly don’t seem so crazy anymore — they’re closer to the center, through no effort of their own, because the center has shifted closer to them. So they can move even further right, and still end up no farther from the “center” than they were four years ago.
In fact, the Democrats’ rightward shift not only enables the Republicans to move farther right themselves; it actually compels them to do so, if they want to maintain their identity as the angry-white-guy party par excellence. (A great part of the Republicans’ hysterical hatred of Bill Clinton arose from this cause: with Democrats like Clinton, who needs Republicans?)
The ratchet clicks: Nixon. The pawl holds: Carter. Click again: Reagan. And again: Bush Senior (and Iraq War I). The pawl holds: Clinton. Click: Bush Junior and Iraq War II; then another click, and it’s Bush Junior triumphant, and God knows what to come.
Has the phrase “conspiracy theory” crept into your mind yet? Let me exorcize it. This is not a vast conspiracy. Nobody planned it out. What I am offering here is a structural explanation, not a conspiracy theory. There is a very important difference. Perhaps an analogy will help.
I assume that most people reading this book believe in the Darwinian theory of evolution. We often speak of the “function” or “purpose” of anatomical structures — like your liver, or your thumb, or the hammerhead shark’s odd cranium. But this way of talking doesn’t commit us to believing that somebody planned these structures out. They were not contrived; they evolved.
The same holds true for the rightward ratchet in contemporary American politics. No Machiavelli schemed it into existence; it evolved. And it evolved for the same reason that anything evolves: it was useful. But useful to whom?
Not useful, certainly, to the millions of slightly, or more-than-slightly, left-of-center Americans who troop glumly to the polls every four years, hold their noses, and vote for the “lesser evil,” even though they expect nothing from their candidate. Nor is it useful to the forty to fifty percent of Americans who don’t bother to vote at all because neither candidate has managed to say anything that seems relevant to their lives,
I have a somewhat unlikely friend, a rich man in Chicago — let’s call him Al. Politics is not Al’s profession, or even his first interest in life, but he is a well-connected, intelligent guy who has some pet political causes. I happened to ask him one year, during a Senatorial campaign, which candidate he and his friends were contributing to. Both candidates were quite friendly to his cause, and I thought he might have had a hard time deciding between them. Al looked at me as if I had just revealed unsuspected depths of idiocy. “Both, of course,” he replied.
“Both?”
“Well, we’re giving a little more to X [the Republican], naturally, ’cause he’s got a better chance of winning. But we’ve given a lot to Y [the Democrat], too. In fact, I think we may be his biggest single bloc of support.”
“But… which one do you want to win?”
He laughed. “It doesn’t matter. We own ’em both.”
The ratchet works really well for people like Al: and that’s what keeps it in operation. It’s not that he’s an especially right-wing guy himself; in fact, he thinks of himself as a liberal. But the ratchet has lowered his taxes, gotten the unions out of his plant, fattened the budget of his wealthy suburban school district (and correspondingly starved the urban districts where his employees live). He thinks Bush is a contemptible idiot, and may even have voted for Kerry himself (though he’s very reluctant to talk about it). But what’s beyond question is that the ratchet has operated to his benefit.
Absent some countervailing pressure from what we’ll call, for short, the Left, it’s a foregone conclusion that the political system will evolve in a way that responds to the desires of the wealthy and powerful.
Over time, the Democratic Party has assumed the role of ensuring that the countervailing pressure from the Left doesn’t happen. The party contains and neutralizes the Left, or what there is of it. Left voters are supposed to support the Democrat, come what may — and it’s amazing how many of us have internalized this supposed obligation — but they are not allowed to have any influence on the party’s policies, either during the campaign or during the Republicans’ infrequent holidays in opposition. Al’s employees mostly vote Democratic. They get nothing for their pains, but the Clinton years were as good for Al as the Reagan years.
But that’s not the worst of it. The reluctant-Democrat voters — like my neighbor Annie — don’t realize that their votes are not just wasted: they are positively helping drive the ratchet. The fact that these captive lefties can be counted on not to bolt enables the James Carvilles and the Al Froms and the other DLC “triangulators” to pursue their rightward course without fear of any consequences. Annie and all the other well-meaning dependable Democrats are supplying an essential part of the fuel that keeps the machine going.
Again: Nobody planned this. The Democratic Party fell into its role in the ratchet for historical reasons, which we will explore in the next chapter. But now that the machine is up and running and delivering the goods for the wealthy and powerful, there is certainly no reason for the wealthy and powerful to interfere with it. And there is no means by which the less wealthy, whose power is only in their numbers, can affect it at all — except by depriving it of their support.
Over the decades since the ratchet started operating, each party has developed a story, a narrative, or less politely, a scam, that depends crucially on predictable behavior by the other party. Those Republicans, say the Democrats, they’re crazy extremists; last year it was Iraq, next year it’ll be Iran. We have to stop them by any means necessary, even if it means wearing their clothes.
The Republicans reply: Where do you get off calling us crazy? You voted for the Iraq war. And you’re defending Iran now?
Oh no, say the Democrats, those Iranians, they’re terrible. Somebody really needs to do something about them. Why haven’t you guys done it?
At this point Annie gets upset and calls her Democratic congressman. “Ted! Are you advocating war with Iran?”
“Naaah, naah, Annie,” Ted coos, “That’s just to get our guy elected. Gotta keep those crazies out of the White House.”
Annie hangs up the phone, trying to feel reassured, and tomorrow’s New York Times will announce that war with Iran is a matter of bipartisan consensus.
The Democrats depend on the Republicans to frighten their constituencies and keep them in the Democratic corral. It’s not too strong to say that in effect, they encourage the Republicans to play the bad cop. The Republicans, conversely, need a bogeyman to energize their activist base — a Godless, urban, liberal bogeyman who will tempt good Christian boys into sodomitical vice and take away people’s guns. So far, the relationship between the party narratives is symmetrical: each is Bad Cop to the other’s Good Cop. But there are some crucial asymmetries, and it’s these asymmetries that drive the ratchet effect.
One of the most important asymmetries is that while the Republicans can be as ferocious as they please on matters relating to culture — sex, religion, and so on — the Democrats are not prepared to be ferocious on the only possible counterweight to culture, which is… class. In fact, not only are the Democrats unwilling to be ferocious, they’re unwilling to raise the topic at all. It’s the Great Unmentionable of American politics.
It was not always thus. Class politics was one of the pillars of the Democratic party of Roosevelt — the party that Annie is remembering when she pulls the donkey lever. How we got from there to here is the subject of the next chapter.

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 8 2008 12:30 utc | 100